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1. 12:23 AM - Re: Rudder Cable Routing (Clif Dawson)
2. 12:57 PM - cable sizes (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 12:57 PM - Re: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables (Kip and Beth Gardner)
4. 12:58 PM - Re: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables (Barry Davis)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: which airplane will perform better ? (Jack Phillips)
6. 01:12 PM - Re: Cuttin' metal (bender)
7. 01:44 PM - we're not trying to make you feel bad Dan Helsper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
8. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Cuttin' metal (Kip and Beth Gardner)
9. 03:23 PM - Re: cable sizes (Greg Cardinal)
10. 05:52 PM - Rudder sizing (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
11. 06:56 PM - Re: Rudder sizing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
12. 07:01 PM - Re: Rudder sizing (Jack Phillips)
13. 07:15 PM - Corvair engine rebuilding (coxwelljon)
14. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: Cuttin' metal (Clif Dawson)
15. 07:54 PM - Re: Corvair engine rebuilding (Rick Holland)
16. 07:55 PM - Re: which airplane will perform better ? (kevinpurtee)
17. 07:56 PM - one more West Coast Pieter (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 08:01 PM - Re: Rudder sizing (Dan Yocum)
19. 08:07 PM - Nice Piet People (kevinpurtee)
20. 08:19 PM - Re: one more West Coast Pieter (Kip and Beth Gardner)
21. 08:26 PM - Re: one more West Coast Pieter (Dan Yocum)
22. 08:34 PM - Re: Nice Piet People (Dan Yocum)
23. 08:43 PM - Re: one more West Coast Pieter (Ernie Moreno)
24. 08:50 PM - Re: Rudder sizing (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
25. 09:01 PM - Re: one more West Coast Pieter (Ken Bickers)
26. 09:25 PM - Re: Corvair engine rebuilding (Ryan Mueller)
27. 09:56 PM - Re: Corvair engine rebuilding (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
I was just thinking of the legal ( AC 43-13 ) aspect and
if more than three degrees would be passed on final
inspection. That, of course, would depend on the
knowledge of the inspector. it would be a shame to
have to rethink and redo the routing if it was more than
the acceptable 3=C2=B0 for a fairlead.
Clif
Hi Clif,
I am not near my Piet, so I am working from recollection. As with so
many things with my Piet design, I relied on seat-of-the-pants
engineering, based on my schooling and experience (A and P certificate
1976, real life experiences in the manufacturing field for 30 years).
This was one of those times that I used the "there is no reason that
this won't work" conclusion. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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My plans are stashed away because of a garage rearrangement so. Could
someone who has them handy, or remembers zip me an email with the cable
sizes for the landing gear bracing and center section bracing??
Thanks so much!
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
The way I look at it, the possible safety issues aside (I saw the same
report years ago - vibration induced metal fatigue) is cable cheap,
tie rod expensive. What are you gaining?
Kip gardner
On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> The guy that started my project installed solid (round) tie rods
> with threaded end fixtures for the center section and landing gear
> bracing. I=92ve just been reading about some flybaby accidents due to
> flying wires/cables being replaced with tie rods which directed
> vibration into the spar fitting and cracked it.
>
> Though this is a very different application from center section and
> landing gear bracing, I thought I=92d put it out there to the group.
> Should I change to standard cable or leave it?
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
Douwe
On Bruce's Big Piet at Sun n Fun there were several swedges that were pulled
out. Both strut wires on the right side and both x-wires on the front
cabanes. I have never seen swedges pulled out, and we used a Go-NoGo gauge
on them to make sure they were properly sweged. Although, his wings and
center section were crushed, they held on long enough to pull out the
swedges
On our tail braces, we used Rolled Threads Unlimited to make our SS tail
braces. They were very cheap and were the highest quality. The cheap price
came from buying in quantity. I ordered 8 for each of the 6 airplanes or 48
total and the price was around $4.10 each and that included the Stainless
rod. Of course, with every good story there is a crummy ending. Someone
came into our shop and was looking for something to fix a lawnmower with and
we think he took one for the repair. When I ordered just one, the price was
$155.00. Looks like the threading machine set-up fee was absorbed in the 48
and not in the one.
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables
Hey all,
The guy that started my project installed solid (round) tie rods with
threaded end fixtures for the center section and landing gear bracing. I've
just been reading about some flybaby accidents due to flying wires/cables
being replaced with tie rods which directed vibration into the spar fitting
and cracked it.
Though this is a very different application from center section and landing
gear bracing, I thought I'd put it out there to the group. Should I change
to standard cable or leave it?
Douwe
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| Subject: | which airplane will perform better ? |
Lighter than mine (740 lbs) not lighter than Mike's (632 lbs)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: which airplane will perform better ?
Yours is still lighter than mine, Dan. I think it's lighter than Mike and
Jack's, too.
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:01 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
This is an under-handed way of trying to make me feel bad, right? (710 LBS
E.W.) I am very sensitive.
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Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 12:37 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which airplane will perform better ?
Q: The one with the Riblett or Pietenpol wing ?
A: The plane that has the lightest empty weight.
(surely an oversimplification but you get my drift.)
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| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same time....
who hits the ground first ??
the guitar player of course....
the banjo player has to stop and tune
jeff
in the bluegrass state
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| Subject: | we're not trying to make you feel bad Dan Helsper |
No way Dan-you have a cream puff of a gorgeous airplane on your hands there
but I didn't realize
it was so heavy ! (kidding !!!!!!)
Those model A Ford engines are heavy though. I have no idea how Bernie (
I said that to annoy those who think it
sacrilege to call him anything other than Bernard) made his Ford Piets so
light.
There was not a sweeter sight or sound in the sky last summer when you arri
ved at Brodhead in your Piet. And second
best was seeing Kevin Purtee bring his Won Wing Lo Pietenpol to a skilled a
nd very safe emergency landing.
Go forth, simplicate, and add lightness.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Yeah,
If you see a banjo player drooling out of both sides of his mouth, what do you
know is true?
A. The stage is level.
On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:10 PM, bender wrote:
>
> being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
>
> if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same time....
who hits the ground first ??
>
>
> the guitar player of course....
>
> the banjo player has to stop and tune
>
>
> jeff
> in the bluegrass state
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338198#338198
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1/8" for the landing gear bracing.
The plans call for 3/32" cable for the center section bracing. These
take some abuse so 1/8" would be a good choice.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable sizes
My plans are stashed away because of a garage rearrangement so. Could
someone who has them handy, or remembers zip me an email with the cable
sizes for the landing gear bracing and center section bracing??
Thanks so much!
Douwe
douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what ch
anges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
-
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KMH
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KMH--I find the rudder and elevator's built as per plans are incredibly light and
responsive.
Mike C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP [kmheidecpo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what changes?
(Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
KMH
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Why? The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the
elevators. The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, and
they are improved with gap seals.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what
changes? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
KMH
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| Subject: | Corvair engine rebuilding |
I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am dissembling
my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The original
builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have logs of those
test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would like input from some
or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you have opened up your
engine. Here is what I found.
When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder) The cylinder
itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust slightly
through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming they were
all painted at the same time.
The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The previous
builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt head ran
20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder the sensor
was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins are actually
melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working on it with a
torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust manifold. There is
some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally reworked before I got
the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves, springs, and one seat welded,
I am not sure what action to take here and I am looking for advice.
Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel it with
your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that for only
5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know if those surfaces
polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer metal than the crank?
There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe the jugs
were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I am hoping
a light hone will take most of it out.
If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting down
to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a new head
at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos that are a
little more graphic:
I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Why do fiddlers pick on banjo players?
Because they can't pick on their fiddles.
Always remember that the Banjo Player is the Fiddle Player's best friend.
Without him the fiddle would be the most hated instrument on Earth...
Clif
> being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
>
> if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same
> time.... who hits the ground first ??
> the guitar player of course....
> the banjo player has to stop and tune
> jeff
> in the bluegrass state
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
I would just wait and have WW look at it at CC, can't get better advice. The
previous owner painted the pistons?
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am
> dissembling my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The
> original builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have
> logs of those test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would
> like input from some or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you
> have opened up your engine. Here is what I found.
>
> When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder)
> The cylinder itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust
> slightly through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming
> they were all painted at the same time.
>
> The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The
> previous builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt
> head ran 20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder
> the sensor was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins
> are actually melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working
> on it with a torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust
> manifold. There is some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally
> reworked before I got the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves,
> springs, and one seat welded, I am not sure what action to take here and I
> am looking for advice.
>
> Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel
> it with your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that
> for only 5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know
> if those surfaces polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer
> metal than the crank?
>
> There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe the
> jugs were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I am
> hoping a light hone will take most of it out.
>
> If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting
> down to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a
> new head at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos
> that are a little more graphic:
>
>
> I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338245#338245
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: which airplane will perform better ? |
All that pretty's gotta weigh something, right?
(She's called Fat Bottomed Girl for a reason.)
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross ;o)
This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder sizing |
I third that sentiment. The rudder has plenty of authority! What a blast do
ing a full slip from pattern altitude to landing! The gap seals on the aile
rons help a ton!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:59 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Why? The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the elev
ators. The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, and they ar
e improved with gap seals.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:50 PM
> To: Pietenpol
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
>
>
> Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what c
hanges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
>
> Any changes to the elevator?
>
>
> KMH
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | Nice Piet People |
I bought an oil filter adapter from WW to support the installation of the 5th bearing
on my corvair. I mentioned here a few weeks ago that I inadvertently threw
away a critical piece from that shipment. William and Grace know and will
send me a replacement when they get their next shipment from their machine shop.
Anyway, I'm getting close to needing that part so I can run the motor. I checked
with a couple of friends who have corvairs in the works and asked them the
gigantic favor of lending me their part until I get my replacement. Within 30
minutes of e-mailing they both responded with one sentence, "What's your shipping
address?" They shall remain nameless, but their initials are Jim Boyer &
Tom Stinemetze.
We are truly fortunate to have this group. Thanks to Jim & Tom for their generosity.
Ryan Mueller has helped in this "crisis" as well, which I appreciate.
Axel
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Well, now you are going to have to fly over dem big damn hills to get to Brodhead!
Glad to hear you are headed where you want to be.
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Kip Gardner
On Apr 27, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Heady times, Oscar! Good on you!
Does this mean you're NOT coming to Brodhead *again* this year?!??
Dan
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
You know, I'm thinkin' real hard about NOT selling N8031 for exactly this reason
- the darn fine folks that fly these darn fine airplanes.
Yes, 2 wings would be sexy and classic and have all that nostalgia of barnstorming
over golden wheat and green corn fields, but I just don't sense that same
sort of camaraderie in the Hatz community that I see with you Pieters...
As you were, good people! Keep up the great job!
Dan
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 10:05 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> I bought an oil filter adapter from WW to support the installation of the 5th
bearing on my corvair. I mentioned here a few weeks ago that I inadvertently
threw away a critical piece from that shipment. William and Grace know and will
send me a replacement when they get their next shipment from their machine
shop.
>
> Anyway, I'm getting close to needing that part so I can run the motor. I checked
with a couple of friends who have corvairs in the works and asked them the
gigantic favor of lending me their part until I get my replacement. Within
30 minutes of e-mailing they both responded with one sentence, "What's your shipping
address?" They shall remain nameless, but their initials are Jim Boyer
& Tom Stinemetze.
>
> We are truly fortunate to have this group. Thanks to Jim & Tom for their generosity.
Ryan Mueller has helped in this "crisis" as well, which I appreciate.
>
> Axel
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Welcome home Oscar. Look forward to you flying in from time to time.
Ernie Moreno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
> Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday.
> Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or
> the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and
> shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over
> gross ;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to
> Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> -----
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder sizing |
Gentlemen - Thank you for your imput and I will keep with the plans. No cha
nges here!
=C2-
=C2-
KMH
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--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
I third that sentiment. The rudder has plenty of authority! =C2-What a bl
ast doing a full slip from pattern altitude to landing! =C2-The gap seals
on the ailerons help a ton!
Dan
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yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:59 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote
:
Why?=C2- The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the
elevators.=C2- The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, a
nd they are improved with gap seals.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
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Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what ch
anges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Oscar, if you decide you want to fly the I-80 route to the west coast,
please feel free to drop by Longmont, Colorado. You'd be welcome to
have a place to rest. We even have mogas on the field at LMO for
about a buck per gallon less than avgas. While the nominal elevations
may be higher, the density altitude in the summer can actually be
lower than along the I-10 route -- and the scenery is unbeatable. My
best, Ken
Do not archive
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Ernie Moreno <ewmoreno@minetfiber.com> wrote:
> <ewmoreno@minetfiber.com>
>
> Welcome home Oscar. Look forward to you flying in from time to time.
>
> Ernie Moreno
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:54 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
>
>
>>
>>
>> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
>> Pieter.
>> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday.
>> Our
>> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
>> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
>> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
>> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
>> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
>> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or
>> the
>> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and
>> shops
>> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over
>> gross ;o)
>>
>> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to
>> Oregon
>> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
>> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
>> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>>
>> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> San Antonio, TX
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
Rick,
I think he was referring to the cylinder paint....
If you really want to nail down the particulars before you go I would keep
trying to call William, be patient, leave a proper message (my name, my
number, briefly why I am calling), and I would also put calls into
Roy.....good luck!
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would just wait and have WW look at it at CC, can't get better advice.
> The previous owner painted the pistons?
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
>
>> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am
>> dissembling my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The
>> original builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have
>> logs of those test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would
>> like input from some or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you
>> have opened up your engine. Here is what I found.
>>
>> When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder)
>> The cylinder itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust
>> slightly through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming
>> they were all painted at the same time.
>>
>> The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The
>> previous builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt
>> head ran 20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder
>> the sensor was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins
>> are actually melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working
>> on it with a torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust
>> manifold. There is some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally
>> reworked before I got the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves,
>> springs, and one seat welded, I am not sure what action to take here and I
>> am looking for advice.
>>
>> Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel
>> it with your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that
>> for only 5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know
>> if those surfaces polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer
>> metal than the crank?
>>
>> There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe
>> the jugs were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I
>> am hoping a light hone will take most of it out.
>>
>> If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting
>> down to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a
>> new head at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos
>> that are a little more graphic:
>>
>>
>> I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
>>
>> --------
>> Jon Coxwell
>> GN-1 Builder
>> Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
Jon,
Piston #3 is darker than the rest probably because of an air leak causing a lean
condition in that cylinder. The air leak could be caused where the intake
bolts to the head. If somebody put enough heat into the head to melt cylinder
fins, there's no telling how warped it is without careful measurement. And why
would someone weld in a valve seat? Or do you mean that the head was welded
up so that a valve seat could actually be pressed in properly? Etiher way,
the head got way too hot at some point. I'm not sure I'd use that head even if
this engine was going into a real Corvair with 4 wheels.
I'd also invest in some new bearing inserts if the current ones are scored. Even
if the original person who rebuilt this engine used quality parts in the rebuild,
there's no telling about how clean the shop was where he did the assembly,
or if he did the assembly work properly to begin with.
But as Rick and Ryan already mentioned, WW is the ultimate resource for answers
to your situation. He'll surely set you straight when you get your engine to
CC #20.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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