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1. 02:53 AM - Standard fuselage/corvair motor (heavyliftpilot)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Dan Yocum)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (james theissen)
4. 06:53 AM - Re: Nice Piet People (kevinpurtee)
5. 07:10 AM - aluminum lower strut fitting (bender)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: done next weekend (Mark M)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: Nice Piet People (GliderMike)
8. 08:08 AM - axle fairing (Douwe Blumberg)
9. 08:16 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Rick Holland)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (james theissen)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: axle fairing (Ken Bickers)
12. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Nice Piet People (Jim Boyer)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Kip and Beth Gardner)
14. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Nice Piet People (shad bell)
15. 09:57 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Dan Yocum)
16. 10:12 AM - Centerburg Pietenpol fly-in, camp out (shad bell)
17. 10:15 AM - Re: axle fairing (Michael Perez)
18. 10:22 AM - axle fairing thought (Douwe Blumberg)
19. 10:36 AM - Re: aluminum lower strut fitting (Doug Dever)
20. 11:03 AM - Re: axle fairing thought (Michael Perez)
21. 11:10 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (james theissen)
22. 11:10 AM - Re: axle fairing thought (dgaldrich)
23. 11:23 AM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Rick Holland)
24. 11:57 AM - Re: axle fairing thought (Billy McCaskill)
25. 12:05 PM - Re: Nice Piet People (Billy McCaskill)
26. 02:15 PM - Re: Pietenpol Corventure (jarheadpilot82)
27. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Corventure (Ryan Mueller)
28. 03:14 PM - Re: Pietenpol Corventure (Bill Church)
29. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Corventure (Ken Bickers)
30. 04:42 PM - Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (dgaldrich)
31. 04:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol Corventure (Jerry Dotson)
32. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Nice Piet People (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
33. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor (Dick N)
34. 05:37 PM - Re: aluminum lower strut fitting (helspersew@aol.com)
35. 06:27 PM - Re: Met a new friend (Matthew VanDervort)
36. 10:18 PM - Re: Nice Piet People (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard length.
Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
Thanks. james
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com> wrote:
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Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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> On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com> wrote:
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Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
Thanks. james
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
To Shad - workin' it, Boss! Got my first free weekend this weekend since October
- five months in AZ followed by 1 month of moving-into-the-new-house-hell.
Shelley says she's releasing me back into the wild:).
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | aluminum lower strut fitting |
Hey guys....
I made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here.. i used
the 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. the lower end
i was trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt thru install..
my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to the inside
flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this over the tabs
on the gear/strut attach point..
any thoughts ?
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
Looks awesome Dave. I would love to come and watch those first flights as well.
I am sure the kids would be excited to see what the final product will be like.
If you would like a cheering squad just let us know the time and place.
Mark ( in Denver)
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
When I decided I wanted to build an airplane, I picked the Piet, because it is
a stick and rag, open cockpit, airplane, with the antique look to it, which is
what I thought I wanted. I've been part of this group for about a year now.
This may sound corny, but, I don't there is a better group of people in the world
than Pietenpol owners and builders. Any time any of the group has a minor
(or major) setback or heartbreak, or any other problem, my heart goes out to
whoever is having problems. When someone has a major or minor accomplishment,
I share their pride with them. If I am still with my present employer when
Brodhead comes around this year, I'll be there, looking forward to meeting everyone
who is there. If I change employers, I'll try to work everything out,
so I can still go to Brodhead.Dan, if you sell your Piet, it very well could end
up being one of your life's regrets, with a major part of the regret being
you won't fell like as much a part of this group, as you are now. The only major
regrets in my life, have to do with selling aircraft I have owned. I don't
regret selling all of the ones I have owned, but there are 2 or 3 of them,
I really enjoyed, and still miss, sort of like losing a close friend. None of
the aircraft I miss, compare to the way I think I would feel, if I were no longer
a part of the Pietenpol group.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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Hey Michael,
As mentioned, my axle fairing (Jenny style) is fabricated from aluminum
sheet. Ply should work fine (did in World War I?)
I attached mine by welding three sets of tabs on the spreader bars to which
I bolted three aluminum "ribs" to which the rest of the structure rivets to.
The axle sits in a trough covered with a hinged flap, held down by some
light springs so the axle can come up to it's limit by just lifting the trap
door. During normal axle movement, I don't anticipate it hitting the door
at all, but we'll see.
The entire assembly weighs a bit under 3lbs and should reduce the drag from
the axle and spreader bars, and might provide a couple pounds of lift. All
that being said, I really did it because I thought it looked cool and I felt
the weigh penalty was likely canceled out by the drag reduction.
Can send pics if you like
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches longer
at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back giving it the
greatest aft CG problems.
rick
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>wrote:
> heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
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> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
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> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dan Yocum
> > yocum137@gmail.com
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard
> length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and
> balance)? Thanks. james
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
OK, now i'm really confused. I have a set of plans at the house that
i'll have to look at closely tonight. thanks, james
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches longer
> at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back giving it the
> greatest aft CG problems.
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> rick
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> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
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>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
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>> > Dan Yocum
>> > yocum137@gmail.com
>> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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>> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
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>> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>> >> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor
>> >> (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing |
Douwe,
Please post the pics for all of us. I'm curious to see if what you've
done could be adapted to my straight axle setup.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Douwe Blumberg
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hey Michael,
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> As mentioned, my axle fairing (Jenny style) is fabricated from aluminum
> sheet. Ply should work fine (did in World War I?)
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> I attached mine by welding three sets of tabs on the spreader bars to which
> I bolted three aluminum ribs to which the rest of the structure rivets
> to. The axle sits in a trough covered with a hinged flap, held down by some
> light springs so the axle can come up to its limit by just lifting the trap
> door. During normal axle movement, I dont anticipate it hitting the door
> at all, but well see.
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> The entire assembly weighs a bit under 3lbs and should reduce the drag from
> the axle and spreader bars, and might provide a couple pounds of lift. All
> that being said, I really did it because I thought it looked cool and I felt
> the weigh penalty was likely canceled out by the drag reduction.
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> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
Hi Clif,
Pogo used to be in our paper but not for a long time. Enjoyed it.
Jim B.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Hi James,
Confusion is a normal state of affairs on this list - if you doubt it
start looking through the archive ;). Seriously, though, the answer
to your question is "it depends". Mike Cuy has an A-65 on a standard
length wood fuselage, there are people with model A's on long
fuselages, corvairs on long and short fuse's, just about any
combination you can think of. It really depends on how YOU build the
plane. I'm sure that helps :).
Kip Gardner
On May 3, 2011, at 11:23 AM, james theissen wrote:
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> OK, now i'm really confused. I have a set of plans at the house that
> i'll have to look at closely tonight. thanks, james
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> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9
>> inches longer
>> at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
>> giving it the
>> greatest aft CG problems.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
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>>> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
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>>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> <yocum137@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan Yocum
>>>> yocum137@gmail.com
>>>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
>>>> things."
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>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com
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>>>>> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>>>>> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a
>>>>> corvair motor
>>>>> (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
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>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
Kevin, I can't get caught up either, I have had the cowling off the piet in
anticipation of starting the annual cond insp for 3 weeks now, not started
yet.- Been raining here almost every single day since late march.- I h
ave windows to replace, fix wife's car, -honey-do list, etc etc, and Dad
has been busy with his new buisness, after retiring last year.- We'll get
'er done one of these days.
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Shad
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p.s.- anyone have float plans for a piet, if it doesn't quit raining here
I am gonna need them
--- On Tue, 5/3/11, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice Piet People
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To Shad - workin' it, Boss!- Got my first free weekend this weekend since
October - five months in AZ followed by 1 month of moving-into-the-new-hou
se-hell.- Shelley says she's releasing me back into the wild:).
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
OK, we're both right. Using the rear cabane fittings as the reference
point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to
the tail, as Rick points out. So, depending on how you orient your
cabanes - straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may
not require a longer motor mount.
James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get
the last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). There is some
GREAT info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair
Pietenpols, compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which
required a new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the
original. She flies fine and the gent who did the work built a
beautiful cowl that does a good job of hiding the fact that the mount is
so long. Some Piets aren't so lucky and look like more like anteaters.
Bleh.
Good luck!
Dan
On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com
> <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>>
>
> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com
> <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>> wrote:
> <yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>>
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> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
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> > Dan Yocum
> > yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair
> motor (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Centerburg Pietenpol fly-in, camp out |
OK Feller's, I have got a few responses to the fly-in roster, as of now I h
ave 3 piets planning on making it, weather permitting, Skipp, Ed, And Steve
Emo.- Mike Cuy is a possible (not sure yet).- There will be other airp
lane types flying in as well.- I have about 6 weeks to get this thing rea
dy, food will be hot dogs, and pot luck dishes (my mother in law will be br
inging some home made goodies as well.- As last year, you are welcome to
fly in on friday afternoon, and camp out, hopefuly it will be dryer than it
was for Ed and Skipp (started raining as soon as they got the tents up.)
- The airport is named Champan Memorial Airport, 6CM is the ident, BUT, i
t might be OH0 (oscar hotel zero) if they did not update the change yet.-
Call for weather and get notams (just to be official, we went "public" las
t year due to power line plans at the end of the runway.- For those who w
ant to drive in send me an e-mail off list and I will give you directions,
address.
-
Shad
-
p.s.- If anyone talks to Don Emch, or Frank Pavliga send them an invite,
I have not been able to contact them, or any other pietenpol flyers in the
area for that matter.
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing |
Yes sir, pictures please!- I believe I understand your design, but pictur
es would clear up any misinterpretations. Very curious to see the trap door
mechanism.
My original plan was to fit the fairing only on the axle, between the sprea
der bars. If I remember my original measurements, from the forward face of
the axle to the forward face of the rear spreader bar I have around 6".
The more I think about it, I don't feel leaving this fairing loose to flop
in the breeze is a good idea. At this point, I am still trying to figure ou
t a way to get the fairing in place, (I have my band brake towers welded on
to the axle) and then prevent it from moving on the axle.- Still working
it out, I'll get there...
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | axle fairing thought |
Michael,
I would be seriously concerned about "free floating" a fairing on the axle.
That area is subjected to some major prop blast and I would be very worried
to failures due to the constant vibrations.
Douwe
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| Subject: | aluminum lower strut fitting |
I would be afraid of rivets. Why not bolt through. This is the way its do
ne on seaplane struts. However=2C I am not an engineer=2C so you milage ma
y vary.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum lower strut fitting
> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> Date: Tue=2C 3 May 2011 07:06:47 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Hey guys....
> I made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here..
i used the 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. th
e lower end i was trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt
thru install..
>
> my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
>
> aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to th
e inside flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this o
ver the tabs on the gear/strut attach point..
>
> any thoughts ?
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338748#338748
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>
>
> Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing thought |
I concur!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle fairing thought
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMichael, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI would be
seriously concerned about =9Cfree floating=9D=0Aa fairing on th
e axle.=C2- That area is subjected to some major prop blast and I=0Awould
be very worried to failures due to the constant vibrations. =0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0ADouwe =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Dan, yes, i have seen those 'anteater' piets...i agree totally. I
already have a corvair mount that was on a wooden fuse (now that i
think about it, i'm gonna have to see if it was a long or
short...pretty sure it was the longer fuse). So anyway, If i had to,
i suppose i could just have the 'tray' part of the motor mount moved
to accomadate any CG changes i might have to do. unless it is just
too much to move fwd. also, the steel tube fuse is much lighter to
begin with (compared to the wooden)....so that is another can of
worms..HMMMMM
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> OK, we're both right. Using the rear cabane fittings as the reference
> point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to the
> tail, as Rick points out. So, depending on how you orient your cabanes -
> straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may not require a
> longer motor mount.
>
> James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get the
> last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). There is some GREAT
> info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair Pietenpols,
> compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
>
> N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which required a
> new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the original. She
> flies fine and the gent who did the work built a beautiful cowl that does a
> good job of hiding the fact that the mount is so long. Some Piets aren't so
> lucky and look like more like anteaters. Bleh.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dan
>
> On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
>>
>> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
>> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
>> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com
>> <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>>
>>
>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com
>> <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> <yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dan Yocum
>> > yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>
>> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
>> things."
>> >
>> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
>> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair
>> motor (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing thought |
Two thoughts---
1. Simple solution. Fix the airfoil so it is parallel with chord of the wing.
Just a little more lift from the maybe 2-3 extra square feet of wing plan.
Cheap and easy with almost no downside.
2. Elegant solution. Build a fluid damper to allow the airfoil to streamline
but not oscillate. Maybe use a long, thin hydraulic actuator, block the in and
out ports so that fluid is retained on both sides of the plunger, and drill
a hole in the piston to act as a fluid control orifice. Or connect the in and
out ports to each other with a restriction orifice in line. It can then move
slowly in response to angle of attack changes but not oscillate/flutter. Complicated
but classy. You could even mount a small landing light in the leading
edge for those twilight adventures.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
But any worm can that add lightness is a good worm can.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM, james theissen <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>w
rote:
> heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
>
> Dan, yes, i have seen those 'anteater' piets...i agree totally. I
> already have a corvair mount that was on a wooden fuse (now that i
> think about it, i'm gonna have to see if it was a long or
> short...pretty sure it was the longer fuse). So anyway, If i had to,
> i suppose i could just have the 'tray' part of the motor mount moved
> to accomadate any CG changes i might have to do. unless it is just
> too much to move fwd. also, the steel tube fuse is much lighter to
> begin with (compared to the wooden)....so that is another can of
> worms..HMMMMM
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
> >
> > OK, we're both right. =E1Using the rear cabane fittings as the referenc
e
> > point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to t
he
> > tail, as Rick points out. =E1So, depending on how you orient your caban
es -
> > straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may not requi
re
> a
> > longer motor mount.
> >
> > James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get
> the
> > last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). =E1There is some G
REAT
> > info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair
> Pietenpols,
> > compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
> >
> > N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which requir
ed
> a
> > new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the original.
=E1She
> > flies fine and the gent who did the work built a beautiful cowl that do
es
> a
> > good job of hiding the fact that the mount is so long. =E1Some Piets ar
en't
> so
> > lucky and look like more like anteaters. =E1Bleh.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> >>
> >> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
> >> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
> >> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
> >>
> >> rick
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <
> heavyliftpilot@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1<heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1Hi Dan, =E1do you know about how much longer? =E1And could i al
so move
> >> =E1 =E1things fwd, like the battery, etc? =E1 thanks, =E1james
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com
> >> =E1 =E1<mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> =E1 =E1<yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>>
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > Dan
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > --
> >> =E1 =E1 > Dan Yocum
> >> =E1 =E1 > yocum137@gmail.com <mailto:yocum137@gmail.com>
> >> =E1 =E1 > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
> >> things."
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
> >> =E1 =E1<heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>> wr
ote:
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1<heavyliftpilot@gmail.com <mailto:heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's
the
> >> =E1 =E1standard length. =E1Does anyone know if that will work with a c
orvair
> >> =E1 =E1motor (weight and balance)? =E1Thanks. =E1james
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> Read this topic online here:
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
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> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >>
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1==========
> >> =E1 =E1st" target="_blank">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >> =E1 =E1==========
> >> =E1 =E1http://forums.matronics.com
> >> =E1 =E1==========
> >> =E1 =E1le, List Admin.
> >> =E1 =E1="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >> =E1 =E1==========
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rick Holland
> >> Castle Rock, Colorado
> >> NX6819Z
> >>
> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >
> > --
> > Dan Yocum
> > Fermilab =E1630.840.6509
> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing thought |
Another thought is to affix some sort of control linkage to the axle fairing and
use it for a pitch trim control, instead of adding a trim control to the elevators...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
Shad, I believe there are plans for floats in one of the old Flying and Glider
manual reprints available though the EAA. I'm pretty sure I saw them in one of
the issues I bought last year.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
Your link is not working, but I would like to see your video.
Do not archive
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
Link works fine..try copying and pasting it instead of just clicking, and
double-checking to ensure that Hotmail is not pickup up extraneous
characters and including them in the link....
do not archive
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Your link is not working, but I would like to see your video.
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using the
last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
That worked.
Here's a new link that should take you there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
Bill,
Thanks for the assist in reposting the link. It worked fine from my
Gmail account. Go figure.
As for the corvair experience itself, Rick's engine ran very smoothly.
It has a nice beefy roar when the throttle is opened wide. You might
think a 182 is taking off somewhere nearby.
What may not be as obvious in the video are all of the nice touches in
his workmanship on the airframe. He's got clever, unobtrusive locking
pins for his flop section. The little tabs for accessing spark plugs
are a brilliant idea. There are just lots of little things that add
up to a nicely crafted airplane.
My best, Ken
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using the
last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
> That worked.
> Here's a new link that should take you there.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338816#338816
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
One of the salient points to take away from W. Wynne's analyses is that moving
the wing will allow almost any engine/fuselage combination to meet the c/g requirements.
I would think that the (slightly) lighter steel fuselage and a standard
Corvair engine mount would put the c/g well withing the adjustment range
of the cabanes.
If you're looking for a BIG head start on a Pietenpol, Dick Navrotil, Skip Gadd,
myself, and others built a long fuselage and a set of tail feathers at Sun N
Fun N Tornados this spring. It will be sold at Brodhead this summer to raise
money for the Brodhead EAA chapter. Dick has it up in Minn. It'll come with
a bunch of the fittings as well --control horns, tail feather attach fittings,
drag/antidrag wire fittings. Dick Navrotil and Doc Mosher were working out the
details of the marketing plan so they'd be the guys to contact if you're interested.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
The problem was there was a period (.) sneaked in there at the end of the link.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
I have a set of them. I actually got them and the article from eaa archive
research
Just don't ask me what I gif with the download
John
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-----Original message-----
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 19:07:43 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice Piet People
Shad, I believe there are plans for floats in one of the old Flying and
Glider manual reprints available though the EAA. I'm pretty sure I saw them
in one of the issues I bought last year.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Well Said Dave
I have nothing to add to that, except that Jon Goldenbaum at Stits Poly
Fiber is going to donate 90' of fabric that will be offered seperatly.
Dick N.
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From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor
> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> One of the salient points to take away from W. Wynne's analyses is that
> moving the wing will allow almost any engine/fuselage combination to meet
> the c/g requirements. I would think that the (slightly) lighter steel
> fuselage and a standard Corvair engine mount would put the c/g well
> withing the adjustment range of the cabanes.
>
> If you're looking for a BIG head start on a Pietenpol, Dick Navrotil, Skip
> Gadd, myself, and others built a long fuselage and a set of tail feathers
> at Sun N Fun N Tornados this spring. It will be sold at Brodhead this
> summer to raise money for the Brodhead EAA chapter. Dick has it up in
> Minn. It'll come with a bunch of the fittings as well --control horns,
> tail feather attach fittings, drag/antidrag wire fittings. Dick Navrotil
> and Doc Mosher were working out the details of the marketing plan so
> they'd be the guys to contact if you're interested.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338818#338818
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
Hey Jeff,
I am sure this will work. Those structural rivets will be just fine. With f
our struts the load is spread out. I would maybe tighten-down on the lower
strut attach bolts so there is no movement; no chance of elongation of alum
inum holes.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum lower strut fitting
>
Hey guys....
made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here.. i
used
he 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. the lower e
nd i
as trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt thru install..
my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to the
nside flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this over
the
abs on the gear/strut attach point..
any thoughts ?
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Met a new friend |
I should be the one saying the great things about john, afterall, he did
show me his project, bought dinner, much to my objection, and the best part,
he doesnt inventory the beautiful spars and cabane struts that he made :)
hopefully this doesnt tip him off!!
But seriously, John, Thank you for the hospitality and friendship! I
really appreciated everything, and if you, or any other Pietenpol people are
near Dayton, I will welcome them in to my place and pass the hospitality
along! Looking forward to Brodhead 2012
Matt VanDervort
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:00 PM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Just finished the traditional meal with Matt VanDervort we had Pizza,
> drank beer talked airplanes and became friends. Oh yes we also looked at my
> crowded shop and piet project with hopes of the hangar soon.
>
> Certainly a really nice guy and one you should all welcome into your shops.
> the kool par is he fixes airport x ray machines so I asked him about one for
> my shop, never know when an Oklahoma visitor may be in town, he likes
> frisking too much and it makes him giggle. Which is when the tools begin to
> hit the ground fro under the traditional Columbo trench coat even when its
> not raining, hmmmm, curious?
>
> At any rate you dont have to check your bench, tool box or look for your
> drill press when Matt leaves, suggest you spend the time to meet him. A good
> visit tonight and well worth it. Plus he likes Yuengling on draft, what more
> can you ask for in a fellow Piet builder, rebuilder ?
>
> Do not archive, unless you're a sissy
>
> John
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
Pete Bowers added floats to his fly-baby and ended up upside-down in lake Washington
(pilot error I believe... don't quote me) I knew.Pete and sure wish he was
still around to share Pietenpol stories......
So glad all of you are part of this grand group of people...
[/list]
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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