---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/08/11: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:05 AM - Re: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress (Gene Rambo) 2. 10:05 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 3. 10:19 AM - Re: Plywood Order (Ben Charvet) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: White tires (Matthew VanDervort) 5. 10:24 AM - Re: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress (Wayne Bressler) 6. 10:41 AM - thanks and answers (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 10:52 AM - Re: Plywood Order (Bill Princell) 8. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Last Control Horn (Jack) 9. 11:51 AM - Re: Last Control Horn (Gboothe5) 10. 11:53 AM - Re: Brodhead '11 (Dan Yocum) 11. 12:05 PM - Re: Plywood Order (Dan Yocum) 12. 01:01 PM - West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Darrel Jones) 13. 01:48 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Gboothe5) 14. 02:34 PM - almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... (ldmill) 15. 02:59 PM - Re: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... (Jack Phillips) 16. 05:41 PM - Gene- look forward to seeing you in 2012 ~ !!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 17. 06:26 PM - Corvair Head Bolts (Kringle) 18. 08:41 PM - Re: Corvair Head Bolts (Gboothe5) 19. 08:55 PM - Re: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... (ldmill) 20. 09:30 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Darrel Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:42 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress Rambo has been silent for some time now. It does not look very likely that I will be able to finish. The entire month of April was taken away=2C as well as the first half of May. I am out of town (in Vegas of all places) a nd won't be home until monday the 16th. (I am in training to fly the 737) I am off for the rest of May after that=2C and I will be working diligently =2C but not likely unless some miracle happens=2C to fly it to Brodhead. As for where I am: wing=2C tail=2C ailerons covered and stitched=2C still need taping. Fuselage ready to cover=2C which could probably be done in a couple of days. Sheet metal made up to firewall=2C need to mount engine (w hich is finished) and build engine cowl. Obviously need to paint everythin g. Still need the million finishing things=2C seat cushions=2C windshields=2C cockpit coaming padding (won't look as good as Dan's) Sooo=2C starting on the 16th=2C I will be taping fabric and getting ready f or paint. I won't turn down any help! Oh=2C and I have to get white tires! Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11=2C Rambo's progress From: helspersew@aol.com If Rambo was close to finishing for Brodhead=2C I'm sure he is behind sched ule now=2C since he most likely has stolen Douwe's idea of the white tires. So go ahead and pre-flight the RV Jack. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri=2C May 6=2C 2011 3:15 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 Well=2C I may have some shame of my own=2C in that unless Gene Rambo finish es his Pietenpol in time to fly it there=2C I=92ll probably arrive by airpl ane=2C but not by Pietenpol. I promised Gene I would fly formation with hi m if he flew his there. It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV- 4 there as it dies the Pietenpol. At today=92s prices=2C we=92re talking $ 400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol. Since I retired=2C such a diff erence gets my attention. The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in the RV-4 than I can in the Piet. Jack ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:42 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn All of them... =C2- I am starting to make them with very little success. =C2- --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Gboothe5 wrote: From: Gboothe5 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn Which ones do=C2- you need? =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn =C2- Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet. =C2- KMHeide =C2- --- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote: From: Gboothe5 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minute s! Now I wish I had more to do =C2- Gary In beautiful Cool, Ca. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:00 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Order Sounds about right to me. I used okoume for mine, but used aircraft grade birch for the wing rib gussets, bought in one 2x4 sheet from aircraft spruce. the birch plywood for my wing spar gussets was bought at a local hobby shop. Don't forget to sand your plywood to rough it up before gluing it. On 5/7/2011 10:55 AM, Mark M wrote: Ben Charvet Titusville,fl > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark M" > > I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my plywood. I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the shipping costs. I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 and would like to buy it all from them all at once. I think they are cheaper than AS&S from what I can calculate. So 2 questions, > > 1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water and boil proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough? > > 2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions? > > 1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets for the ribs. > > 1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets, fuselage sides, seat backs, and turtle decks. > > 1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat bottoms. > What do you think? > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339187#339187 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:40 AM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: White tires I know a guy rebuilding a 'standard biplane' I'm pretty sure his wheels have white tires I'll ask him where he found them! Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2011, at 3:13 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Douwe, > > Great choice of tires. Not so sure it was a good idea to reveal it so soon though. Gene Rambo is probably going to steal your idea and show up at Brod head the day before you get there. Fair warning. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress From: Wayne Bressler Gene, I could offer a day of help, schedule and wife permitting, but I'll be more o f a student. If nothing else, I'd like to take some pictures of your progre ss. Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On May 8, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Rambo has been silent for some time now. It does not look very likely tha t I will be able to finish. The entire month of April was taken away, as we ll as the first half of May. I am out of town (in Vegas of all places) and w on't be home until monday the 16th. (I am in training to fly the 737) I am o ff for the rest of May after that, and I will be working diligently, but not likely unless some miracle happens, to fly it to Brodhead. > > As for where I am: wing, tail, ailerons covered and stitched, still need t aping. Fuselage ready to cover, which could probably be done in a couple of days. Sheet metal made up to firewall, need to mount engine (which is fini shed) and build engine cowl. Obviously need to paint everything. > > Still need the million finishing things, seat cushions, windshields, cockp it coaming padding (won't look as good as Dan's) > > Sooo, starting on the 16th, I will be taping fabric and getting ready for p aint. I won't turn down any help! > > > > Oh, and I have to get white tires! > > Gene > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11, Rambo's progress > From: helspersew@aol.com > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:07:04 -0400 > > If Rambo was close to finishing for Brodhead, I'm sure he is behind schedu le now, since he most likely has stolen Douwe's idea of the white tires. So g o ahead and pre-flight the RV Jack. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN. > > do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Phillips > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 > > Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes h is Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airpla ne, but not by Pietenpol. I promised Gene I would fly formation with him if he flew his there. It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 the re as it dies the Pietenpol. At today=99s prices, we=99re talki ng $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol. Since I retired, such a dif ference gets my attention. The good news is that I can carry more Scotch in the RV-4 than I can in the Piet. > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:06 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks and answers Hey all, I'm back in town, and thanks for the kind words. It's nice to see some progress, and thanks Dan for posting the pics for me. Kinda humbling when Dave can build entirely in nine months though. To answer the tire questions. These are actually "grey" not white. Both Universal and Coker tires offer them. There are different kinds. Motorcycle tires with ribs or buttons, but these are actually "smooth clinchers". I like the vintage look of the smooth tire and the fact that there's no tread, but they are a bit large (22" rims). I personally LOVE a large wheel on an old plane, but I'm sure it's not for everybody. Clinchers are also a different breed of cat. Clincher tires were used through world war one and on Model T's. They are also called "high pressure" tires as they are dependant on a fair amount of tire pressure to keep the bead jammed up against the rim to hold it in. Dan, that "washer" is actually a testament to my laziness and is simply the remains of my old anti-rotation device which didn't survive the smash up well. Those nuts are so hard to get back into the spreader bar I just cut them off and left that piece there. I think she'll be pretty cool looking, but the finish quality of my work doesn't begin to approach a lot of you guys, especially with all the old bolt holes etc from the rebuild. It is nice though, second time around, I'm a bit more focused on "flying" so I have more of a plow through it mentality and am not wasting time on the small stuff (except for maybe the flying pig) Douwe Ps. Dan, you're right!! Gene'll be flying up this July in his black and yellow special with a beautiful new set of white wheels!! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Order From: Bill Princell Hi Mark: I bought some 1/16" Okume from Boulter a couple of years ago for my rib gussets and ended up not using it. I think it is too soft and not as strong as Mahogany or Birch. I would use Mahogany or Birch. Both are 3-ply and use Poplar for the center ply. I also wouldn't use Okume for the fuselage sides for the same reason. Once it's glued on it becomes a large gusset. Birch is slightly heavier and a little stronger than Mahogany. I used 3/32" Birch on my fuselage sides instead of 1/8" and figure I saved a little weight. I used 3/16" Mahogany for all gussets on the inside of the fuselage I used the 1/16' Okume plywood to cover leading edges of both wings. Worked fine for this application. Very easy to shape and work with. just my two cents worth. Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Mark M wrote: > > I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my > plywood. > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:37 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn Got it John, sent updated list off-list Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn Gary and Jack, I can open it but can't add myself. Here is my info. John Francis 3370 Miller Rd. Russia, OH 45363 USA semi-retired Home ph 937 526-5800 cell ph 937 417 1642 email mrkringles@msn.com aircamper corvair not flying.....have completed ribs, working on center section and engine, will be at corvair college in hillsdale, MI -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339189#339189 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:17 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn KM, I was very rusty on gas welding when I built the tail control horns. Welding thin metal was a struggle. I found all my problems to be solved with new regulators (my dad had these for 40 years!!), and proper attention to tip size and gas pressures. Do you have a particular problem that you could describe? Burning thru? Popping? Poor penetration? Still, as previously offered, I=99d be glad to help. We are having a Mother=99s Day special for prosthetic specialists Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn All of them... I am starting to make them with very little success. --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Gboothe5 wrote: From: Gboothe5 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn Which ones do you need? From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet. KMHeide --- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote: From: Gboothe5 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minutes! Now I wish I had more to do Gary In beautiful Cool, Ca. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:39 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 I was saying that Dan's Aeronca Sedan is probably less fuel efficient than h is 4.5gph Piet. No doubt in my mind that your RV-4 is more fuel efficient t han the Piet. Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 6, 2011, at 9:10 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > I doubt it. My Pietenpol burns 4.5 gallons an hour, and under no wind con ditions will go 65 miles in that hour. That is only 14.4 mpg. My truck get s better than that, and if you have a headwind (which seems to be much more t han half the time), it is even worse. > > Jack > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 > > I think the Piet is probably more fuel efficient than the Sedan, Dan. > > Do not archive > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On May 6, 2011, at 6:57 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > >> Yea, the thought of the extra fuel cost has me thinking too. The increase d cost of fuel for the 1/2 hour flight from Poplar Grove will really hurt :O ) >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> NX929DH is still up north! >> >> do not archive >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Phillips >> To: pietenpol-list >> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:15 pm >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> Well, I may have some shame of my own, in that unless Gene Rambo finishes his Pietenpol in time to fly it there, I=99ll probably arrive by airp lane, but not by Pietenpol. I promised Gene I would fly formation with him i f he flew his there. It costs almost exactly half as much to fly my RV-4 th ere as it dies the Pietenpol. At today=99s prices, we=99re talk ing $400 for the RV-4 or $800 for the Pietenpol. Since I retired, such a di fference gets my attention. The good news is that I can carry more Scotch i n the RV-4 than I can in the Piet. >> >> Jack >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:52 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> Hope you have a lot.! It=99s almost as bad as =98bei ng done with the ribs=99, but being caught 2 short. >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:32 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> Well, we=99ll have some appropriate single malt to ease your shame o ver arriving in a non-approved manner Gary. >> >> Jack >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 3:20 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> I know that. I tried to get Southwest to drop me off >> >> Do not archive >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:12 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> No. Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane. >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11 >> >> I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share th e rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and le aving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me? >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> p://forums.matronics.com >> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========================= ========= >> ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= ========= >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >> ========================= ========= >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:38 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plywood Order What do the Bingelis books say on using ply for ribs? I think 1/16 is ok, but refer to the experts. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, "Mark M" wrote: > > I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my plywood. I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the shipping costs. I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 and would like to buy it all from them all at once. I think they are cheaper than AS&S from what I can calculate. So 2 questions, > > 1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water and boil proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough? > > 2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions? > > 1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets for the ribs. > > 1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets, fuselage sides, seat backs, and turtle decks. > > 1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat bottoms. > What do you think? > Mark > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339187#339187 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:53 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Sonoma Skypark changed their annual open house from June 11 to June 4 so I am not going to be able to make the Frazier Lake gathering again. Major bummer! I'll have to see you all at Brodhead in July. If any left coaster is looking for an inexpensive $100 hamburger, we cook them up every Saturday at noon, rain or shine. Have a great time at Frazier Lake! Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:07 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Darrel, Is there a camping area at Sonoma Skypark? Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Sonoma Skypark changed their annual open house from June 11 to June 4 so I am not going to be able to make the Frazier Lake gathering again. Major bummer! I'll have to see you all at Brodhead in July. If any left coaster is looking for an inexpensive $100 hamburger, we cook them up every Saturday at noon, rain or shine. Have a great time at Frazier Lake! Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... From: "ldmill" Oh boy - what a day yesterday. My adrenaline is finally coming down, you'll have to excuse the somewhat excited post. N30PP finally made it out the first time this year, winds were actually below 20 mph for the first time in almost a month - 3 mph variable (from all directions). What I didn't know was that there was some of the worst wind sheer going on I've ever experienced. Flew for about an hour, lots of knocking around and weather-vaneing from 50 - 250ft (the GN-1 would get pushed completely sideways at times and bury the ball)- above that just some mild thermals. Last take off I was climbing though about 150 ft and next thing I know am in the middle of a wing over ccw to the left- Holy .... !! The left wing just totally ripped down. Whipped the stick full throw to the right and the wing was still going - went past the verticle easily by 20 degrees and my first thought was that I was toast - no way was I going to recover out of this one - not enough time/altitude/speed. I could feel the seat belts actually holding me in. Finally the ailerons started caching hold - had the stick buried forward/right and was able to pull out about 75 ft up. I got around the pattern - plopped it down (not caring one whit about the bounce) - parked it, and sat on the couch in the hanger for a while. Got up, pried some coach pillow out of the backside, and went through a most meticulous multi-hour scour of the entire plane, pulled off every inspection panel and looked at everything, including the strips over the joints on the 3-piece wing, all wires, glue joints possible, tail, hinges. If I had my repairmans cert for this plane, could have almost claimed my annual had been done. Folks - I'm definitely impressed with the strength of this plane!! However - I'd prefer to not test it like this again. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339259#339259 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:38 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... Whoa, Lorin - sounds like you were given a major case of sphincter clinch. Good thing you were able to get it back upright while AGL rather than BGL. It's amazing what these little planes can stand. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ldmill Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... Oh boy - what a day yesterday. My adrenaline is finally coming down, you'll have to excuse the somewhat excited post. N30PP finally made it out the first time this year, winds were actually below 20 mph for the first time in almost a month - 3 mph variable (from all directions). What I didn't know was that there was some of the worst wind sheer going on I've ever experienced. Flew for about an hour, lots of knocking around and weather-vaneing from 50 - 250ft (the GN-1 would get pushed completely sideways at times and bury the ball)- above that just some mild thermals. Last take off I was climbing though about 150 ft and next thing I know am in the middle of a wing over ccw to the left- Holy .... !! The left wing just totally ripped down. Whipped the stick full throw to the right and the wing was still going - went past the verticle easily by 20 degrees and my first thought was that I was toast - no way was I going to recover out of this one - not enough time/altitude/speed. I could feel the seat belts actually holding me in. Finally the ailerons started caching hold - had the stick buried forward/right and was able to pull out about 75 ft up. I got around the pattern - plopped it down (not caring one whit about the bounce) - parked it, and sat on the couch in the hanger for a while. Got up, pried some coach pillow out of the backside, and wen! t through a most meticulous multi-hour scour of the entire plane, pulled off every inspection panel and looked at everything, including the strips over the joints on the 3-piece wing, all wires, glue joints possible, tail, hinges. If I had my repairmans cert for this plane, could have almost claimed my annual had been done. Folks - I'm definitely impressed with the strength of this plane!! However - I'd prefer to not test it like this again. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339259#339259 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:56 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gene- look forward to seeing you in 2012 ~ !!! Twill be a fine sight indeed. Mike C. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Bolts From: "Kringle" I felt it necessary to remove two head bolts from my corvair engine block because of some serious pitting. I was able to soak them with PB Blaster and they worked loose. I had few questions and picked up the phone and called Gary Boothe for some advice. He was happy to oblige and I look forward to talking with him in person at Brodhead. Thanks Gary! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339272#339272 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/head_bolts_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:58 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Bolts Best wishes on the rebuild and Corvair College, John. I forgot to remind you to run a properly sized thread chaser thru those case holes. I had a great day working on my right wing. Wood work is almost done and ready for fittings, hinges and varnish, but I enjoyed the distraction of your call. I get few personal calls at home, and my wife was confused...probably thought my bookie sent you, again.... See you at B'head!! Gary, Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Head Bolts I felt it necessary to remove two head bolts from my corvair engine block because of some serious pitting. I was able to soak them with PB Blaster and they worked loose. I had few questions and picked up the phone and called Gary Boothe for some advice. He was happy to oblige and I look forward to talking with him in person at Brodhead. Thanks Gary! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339272#339272 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/head_bolts_114.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... From: "ldmill" Yea Jack - in 25 years of on-again/off-again flying - this one was the first true "cross yourself" moment that I've had. Otherwise it's been a nice dull peaceful hobby... well - except for the typhoon last year up in Brodhead where the lighting seamed to be personally seeking me out, the suburban broke down, and my awning collapsed due to the 1000 lbs of water it was holding up... Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339283#339283 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:10 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Gary, There is plenty of space around the airport and we have restrooms with a shower. We've had a couple small fly-ins with people camping on the airport. Darrel On 5/8/2011 1:45 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gboothe5" > > Darrel, > > Is there a camping area at Sonoma Skypark? > > Gary > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 3:13 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Darrel Jones > > Sonoma Skypark changed their annual open house from June 11 to June 4 so > I am not going to be able to make the Frazier Lake gathering again. > Major bummer! I'll have to see you all at Brodhead in July. If any left > coaster is looking for an inexpensive $100 hamburger, we cook them up > every Saturday at noon, rain or shine. > > Have a great time at Frazier Lake! > > Darrel Jones > Sonoma, CA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.