---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/10/11: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: controls (Jack) 2. 02:42 AM - Re: Firewall progress... (Jack) 3. 02:57 AM - Re: Done (Jack) 4. 04:28 AM - Re: controls (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 04:34 AM - Re: Done (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 05:49 AM - flying time again (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 06:06 AM - Re: flying time again (Jack Phillips) 8. 06:25 AM - Axle Travel Stops/Strap (Michael Perez) 9. 06:30 AM - Re: Done (Rick Holland) 10. 07:40 AM - Re: Axle Travel Stops/Strap (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 09:04 AM - Re: controls (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 12. 09:55 AM - Re: controls (bender) 13. 10:30 AM - Re: controls (K5YAC) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: controls (bender) 15. 11:44 AM - Re: controls (Bill Church) 16. 11:47 AM - Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas (Ozarkflyer) 17. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: controls (gboothe5@comcast.net) 18. 12:08 PM - Re: Done (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 19. 12:17 PM - Re: controls (K5YAC) 20. 12:29 PM - Re: controls (bender) 21. 12:33 PM - Re: controls (TOM STINEMETZE) 22. 12:56 PM - Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel (K5YAC) 23. 01:11 PM - Re: Done (Jim Courtney) 24. 01:19 PM - Re: Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel (Bill Church) 25. 01:29 PM - Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 26. 01:51 PM - Re: Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel (K5YAC) 27. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: controls (Jack) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:23 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: controls Looks good Jeff, I think I see two pulleys and I assume you will fit with a cable guard. I'm doing the rudder cable routing now which can go many different ways. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: controls hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ?? i was playing with my controls today and came up with this... jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339342#339342 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_079_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_081_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_082_245.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:46 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall progress... Beautiful Jake, a show winner in the making! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall progress... Howdy List, Over the past several weeks, it felt like I was not making much direct progress on my Pietenpol - direct progress that is because for the past three Saturdays I was in a class on "vintage radial aircraft engines." It was taught through a local community college and the Historic Flight Foundation (That's a museum North of Seattle where they fly all their vintage planes - amazing place.) Because I had not been as familiar with the differences between the radial and other aircraft engines as I would have liked - and because I am mounting a Rotec radial on my Piet - this class came along at just the right time. It felt, however, like I was not working on the plane for weeks at a time. But I really WAS working on the plane - by working on my knowledge of my powerplant...! Anyway, back to the forum topic.... A couple days ago I got the firewall back from a metal-forming specialist who formed the flanges on my stainless-steel firewall (thanks Danny - Creative Billet.) I burnished the panel myself prior to him forming it but I didn't have a heavy-duty shrinker/stretcher (or the experience) to form the flanges - so I hired out that operation. Now I can keep movin' on - funnn stufff.............. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339370#339370 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/burnished_firewall_front_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/burnished_firewall_back_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:50 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Done Congratulations Dave! Be safe... Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dangerous Dave Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Done Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339371#339371 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_43_427__copy_230.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_23_262__copy_645.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_25_50_425__copy_151.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: controls From: helspersew@aol.com Rick- same on mine. Lower pulley barely moves. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: controls Looks good, one pulley is enough, I did 2 and the lower cable pulley barely gets enough friction to move. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:46 PM, bender wrote: > hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ?? i was playing with my controls today and came up with this... jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339342#339342 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_079_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_081_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_082_245.jpg st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Done From: helspersew@aol.com Wow Dave, she's beautiful. It took me 10 years to be abe to utter those two words. You should be very proud. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:15 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying time again Jack; I concur with your interpretation of the regs regarding minimum safe altitude over water but what I want to know is, if you were maintaining 500 ft. above the boat full of young ladies, how were you able to tell (from that altitude) that they were pretty? do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:32 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying time again Good question, Oscar. The simple fact is, I could only surmise that from their general shapes - I couldn't see faces. Nor could I tell if they were wearing swimsuits or not. When flying that low I generally have my hands full with the airplane and can't spend too much time sightseeing. When I was 17, I used to like to fly my Dad's J-3 over the women's dorm of one of the colleges in town on the first warm day of spring. The women's dorm was the tallest building around, and the girls liked to go sunbathing "au natural" on the roof. I would approach the dorm at low altitude and then cut the throttle and glide over the dorm and watch them scamper for cover. Little did they know that I couldn't really take the time to look. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying time again Jack; I concur with your interpretation of the regs regarding minimum safe altitude over water but what I want to know is, if you were maintaining 500 ft. above the boat full of young ladies, how were you able to tell (from that altitude) that they were pretty? do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle Travel Stops/Strap My plan was to have bolts and large washers threaded up into the bottoms of the anti-rotation tubes on my straight axle gear to serve as travel stops. I wonder if they would hold up if a bungee broke? I see most use some type of safety strap/cable...will either method work, or do I need the cable/strap? Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Done From: Rick Holland Beautiful Dave. rick On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote: > > Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly > therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't > wait!dave > > -------- > taking to hangar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339371#339371 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_43_427__copy_230.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_23_262__copy_645.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_25_50_425__copy_151.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle Travel Stops/Strap From: helspersew@aol.com I have both. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:25 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle Travel Stops/Strap My plan was to have bolts and large washers threaded up into the bottoms of the anti-rotation tubes on my straight axle gear to serve as travel stops. I wonder if they would hold up if a bungee broke? I see most use some type of safety strap/cable...will either method work, or do I need the cable/st rap? Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:53 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: controls Can I ask what size of pully you are using? KMHeide --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Jack wrote: > From: Jack > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: controls > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 4:31 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Jack" > > Looks good Jeff, I think I see two pulleys and I assume you > will fit with a > cable guard. I'm doing the rudder cable routing now > which can go many > different ways. > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of bender > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:47 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: controls > > > hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane > with pulleys just > behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ?? > i was playing with my controls today and came up with > this... > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339342#339342 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_079_179.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_081_176.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_082_245.jpg > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "bender" all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are 3 inches... just because had them around workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i hate when the drill press grabs jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339445#339445 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "K5YAC" I'm trying to understand what is going on here (see photo)... I can see that there is a deflection because the line doesn't remain straight, and I understand that you are pointing out that there is limited friction involved with the bottom cable, but is this cable routed below the fuse cross member or is there some kind of rub block mounted to the other side of the pulley? I know that it must be contacting something, just not sure how you are doing this. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339450#339450 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cables_150.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "bender" the elevator cables from the rear control stick torque to the bellcrank won't clear the bottom seat crossmember so i added those two pulley to keep the cables off of that crossmember..quite a deflection from the upper cable.... not so much from the lower jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339458#339458 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "Bill Church" Mark, If you look closely, you'll see that there are two pulleys there, side by side. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339459#339459 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas From: "Ozarkflyer" Email address please. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339460#339460 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: gboothe5@comcast.net Be safe, Jeff! I'm guiltier than most...must use clamps and hold-downs... Gary Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: bender Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls Sent: May 10, 2011 9:52 AM all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are 3 inches... just because had them around workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i hate when the drill press grabs jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339445#339445 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:45 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Done Wow Dave, She's beautiful and what a work of art, if she fly's half as good as she looks you be stuck suffering from that menacing problem the that afflicts only a select few of the airplane builders in the county, "perpetual smile disorder". Best of luck and enjoy! John In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:28:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsornbor@aol.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave" Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339371#339371 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_43_427__copy_230.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_23_262__copy_645.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_25_50_425__copy_151.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "K5YAC" Alright, that makes more sense. Where is the "like" button? Bill Church wrote: > Mark, > > If you look closely, you'll see that there are two pulleys there, side by side. > > Bill C. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339464#339464 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "bender" thanks Gary didn't slow me down much my biggest concern was that i have a gig playing bass friday night with this new band.... they can't replace me that quick if i lost a finger jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339466#339466 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:12 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls 'Em dang drill presses'l bang your fingers a whole lot more than jus' bloody. (As will several of our other fun tools.) Fortunately there are a lot of solutions available. I'm not pushing Harbour Freight but here is a page full of possibly useful - and not too expensive - hold down devices. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=vice Stinemetze >>> "bender" 5/10/2011 11:52 AM >>> all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are 3 inches... just because had them around workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i hate when the drill press grabs jeff ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel From: "K5YAC" This should be of interest for those right here in the heartland, but may also be of interest to anyone looking for a nice stop over that may be flying over these parts. There is a place called Beaumont Hotel in Beaumont, Kansas (about 60 miles east of Wichita) that is home to a really neat hotel and cafe, which is adorned with airplane and motorcycle photos, models and memorabilia. I've heard about this place for years, but only recently got to check it out. A friend let me ride along last Saturday as he was going to meet a couple of friends for breakfast. We landed in a mowed pasture and taxied into town on a paved county road. Once in town, we stopped at the main intersection and proceeded on to a grass airplane parking area. Yeah, a really neat place that obviously makes an effort to accomodate aviators and motorcyclists. Our trip was just for breakfast, which was excellent. I ould recommend the Pilot Special... two eggs, two strips of bacon, two pancakes, a big sausage pattie and biscuits and gravy. Oh yeah... good eats. There are also several historical sights to see that are within walking distance, one of which is the oldest wooden water tower still in use that was originally used to fill steam engines in the late 1800s. Here is a link to their page... if you are within a reasonable distance, you ought to check this place out. If you are passing through, you might consider the Beaumont as a stopover place that is away from busy municipal airports and does not require a vehicle to get around. The Beaumont Hotel Sitting area Cafe Dining room Convenient aircraft parking do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339468#339468 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:19 PM PST US From: Jim Courtney Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Done Congratulations!!!! ________________________________ From: Rick Holland Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:27:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Done Beautiful Dave. rick On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote: > >Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly >therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave > >-------- >taking to hangar > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339371#339371 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_43_427__copy_230.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_26_23_262__copy_645.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_05_08_12_25_50_425__copy_151.jpg > > >========== >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >========== >http://forums.matronics.com >========== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >========== > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel From: "Bill Church" I was wondering why this all looked so familiar - then it dawned on me - this place is featured in Chuck Gantzer's video. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339471#339471 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:50 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th CONGRATULATIONS Dave ! May I ask how your weight and balance worked out ? Sounds like you're having a blast doing high speed taxi runs. Have you been able to keep current or get current in a tailwheel airplane r ecently ? I was fortunate enough to have a friend who let me fly his J-3 Cub for several hours prior to my first flight in my new Piet since while building we generally don't take much time to go flying or like to spend the money on that when the project usual ly takes our spare DI. Last thing-try not to be lulled into the 'I gotta fly this thing now since I just got it signed off' mode. I had to wait FIVE full days after my sign off to make my first flight because of rainy, windy, turbulent cond itions and trust me-I was NOT pleasant to be around during those five days but I'm glad I sat it out. Too many things can happen on that first flight so stack the cards in your favor and WAY to GO MAN ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Not exactly Piet Related - Beaumont Hotel From: "K5YAC" Really? I'll have to pull that out and watch it again. Bill Church wrote: > I was wondering why this all looked so familiar - then it dawned on me - this place is featured in Chuck Gantzer's video. > > Bill C. > > do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339476#339476 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:20 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls That is the best thing about my mill, great ways to lock it down. Hope your ok Jeff! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls 'Em dang drill presses'l bang your fingers a whole lot more than jus' bloody. (As will several of our other fun tools.) Fortunately there are a lot of solutions available. I'm not pushing Harbour Freight but here is a page full of possibly useful - and not too expensive - hold down devices. http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=vice Stinemetze >>> "bender" 5/10/2011 11:52 AM >>> all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are 3 inches... just because had them around workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i hate when the drill press grabs jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.