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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Firewall progress... (jarheadpilot82)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Jerry Dotson)
3. 05:45 AM - Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Dangerous Dave)
5. 06:30 AM - Dave's W&B (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
6. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Ben Charvet)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: controls (bender)
8. 08:24 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave)
9. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: controls (Gboothe5)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
11. 09:06 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave)
12. 09:23 AM - Re: Done (Baldeagle)
13. 10:33 AM - Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (dgaldrich)
14. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Dan Yocum)
15. 10:47 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave)
16. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Rick Holland)
17. 11:55 AM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jim Boyer)
18. 01:11 PM - bellcrank geometry (bender)
19. 01:58 PM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (aerocarjake)
20. 02:03 PM - Re: Firewall progress... (aerocarjake)
21. 02:51 PM - Re: The Perfect Day (Jim Boyer)
22. 05:29 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Darrel Jones)
23. 05:51 PM - Re: bellcrank geometry (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
24. 06:07 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
25. 06:17 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jack Phillips)
26. 06:48 PM - Re: Done (Don Emch)
27. 07:55 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jim Boyer)
28. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Firewall progress... |
Jack said it exactly right- really beautiful.
On a slightly separate note, I have attached some info on how to burnish, or "fish
scale" your own panels. I found this on another forum, and I saved it for
future reference. I hope it helps someone.
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Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router and
it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it is final.
I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that were
on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to what you see.
Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time comes I will cut
it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art. Anyone know
who did it?
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas |
Larry asked-
> Email address please.
sterlingintexas@gmail.com
My understanding is that he's getting ready to re-list it on eBay after
the first and second bidders went incommunicado on him.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
Mike,attached is the W&B.Been flying a Murphy Moose and will do a bunch of takeoffs
and landing in a Champ prior to first flight,Dave
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Thank you for sharing your full weight and balance report Dave. This should be
very helpful to those who are also building using Lycoming 0-235 engines.
Good to hear you're doing some flying in the Murphy Moose and then the Champ.
Excellent.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that
were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to
what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the
time comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
> I got around the hard to see part by rotating the instruments so the part you
actually used was visible from the pilot's view.
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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just a little skin gone
my wife the RN loves when i come home with band-aids
the rudder bar support bracket is the one that got away.. but its bolted in now
jeff
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Just as a note to O 235 prospects,I found no way with the long fuselage to not
have the Heliocamper look.I like it but some traditionalist think its abhorrent,not
my problem.I would suggest not making your motor mount until your done covered,figure
out total FWF weight including prop and cowling and then figure
mount length based on where you want your CG to be.Or you can do it all a couple
of times for practice.dave
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Skin is a renewable resource...sure makes you jump, though, doesn't it?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls
just a little skin gone
my wife the RN loves when i come home with band-aids
the rudder bar support bracket is the one that got away.. but its bolted in
now
jeff
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Dave,
You could have slanted your wing back 4, 5, or 6" aft of the cabane struts being
upright to keep
your motor mount from being long.
Steve E. did that from Utah in the late 90's (not with an 0-235 but he was a
big boy back then)
Mike C.
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PS- there are some GREAT W&B articles in the two more recent paper-mailed BPAN
articles by Ryan Mueller and William Wynne.
Those are excellent points of reference for anyone wondering how to configure the
wing, motor mount, and to compensate for long/ short heavy/thin pilots.
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Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and slanted
them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep
the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the bush
and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the geometry
of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to get
in it.Just my reasoning.Dave
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Dave, looks great, love the scallops. I'll be flying out there on the 17th to
work on the SPAD and do some flying over the weekend, hope to see you there-
Andrew
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Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
As others have mentioned in past posts, the altimeter and sometimes airspeed, can
be a pretty deep instruments and can interfere with the crossed aileron wires.
Repeat after me...."Measure twice, cut once." I say that not because I'm
smart; I usually precede it with the phrase "Why didn't I..."
In any event, your important instruments are close to line-of-sight. The only
thing you might think about is switching the tach and altimeter. The argument
goes that on takeoff and landing the ASI and tach are the most important instruments.
Once you get the fuselage assembled, you can use the cardboard mockup
to play with arrangements until you find one that works. As Ben mentions, small
ones at the bottom can be tough to read quickly since the face is inset into
the instrument.
West Coast Piet also has a bunch of pics of panels.
Dave
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Dave,
I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No
wonder it's hard to get in and out!
It's a bit late to go backwards, but having slanted the cabanes back
even a few inches would reduce the length of your motor mount
considerably. I don't reckon that the geometry of the struts would be
that horribly affected - they'd still be parallelograms, and it's the
flying wires that really give it the stiffness.
If you're still interested, you should order the reprints of the last 2
or 3 Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. newsletters where Ryan and Wm. Wynne's
W&B articles feature prominently.
Cheers,
Dan
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"<dsornbor@aol.com>
>
> Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and
slanted them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep
the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the
bush and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the
geometry of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to
get in it.Just my reasoning.Dave
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I have all the Brodhead newsletters.thanks
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Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
I ended up making 4 instrument boards. And just in case I ended up screwing
rather than gluing my pseudo-final one.
rick
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>wrote:
> jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router
> and it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it
> is final. I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments
> that were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to
> what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time
> comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
>
> I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art.
> Anyone know who did it?
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Hi Darrel,
We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you at Brodhead
this year. One of these days we will drive over for a hamburger. Where is the
BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your hanger?
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
Ok .... i'm dying here
i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
i'm confused
the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move the
stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up and down
positions...i don't get it...
this can't be right
i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
i thought this was going to be the easy part
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
thanks Dave - this helps....
Good luck on your test flights.........!
(Watch out for those bugs in your teeth.... ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Firewall progress... |
great stuff.... thanks Terry for posting this info.
...and thanks everyone for the positive comments - helps motivate me through the
project when there is such a long ways yet to go....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: The Perfect Day |
Gary,
That really sounds like a neat way to travel and pick up Piets. You and Mike/Vic
Groah along with Charlie and Scott would be the first to make the trip it looks
like.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Jim,
I'm definitely hopefully planning on being at Brodhead and Oshkosh this
year. I'm just worried about having to face Ernie Moreno since he had
offered to help me put my Corvair back together about twenty years ago.
Any day now, Ernie.
Hamburgers are at the clubhouse/T-hangar at the east end of the taxiway.
On a nice day we roll the big door open so the taxiing aircraft can blow
dirt all over the hamburgers. Adds a special zest to them. Let me know
when you're coming over and I'll make sure I'm out there.
I don't know if I should buy a bottle of whiskey for Gary back at
Brodhead or bring one from home. What do you think?
Darrel
On 5/11/2011 11:53 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Darrel,
>
> We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you
> at Brodhead this year. One of these days we will drive over for a
> hamburger. Where is the BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your
> hanger?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
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>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
Jeff, I worried about this for about a year. Just guessing but I bet you
haven't hooked up the cables from the bellcrank to the elevator.
When you do the weight of the elevator will take out the slack. At least it
did in mine.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2011 4:13:42 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry
>
<jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> Ok .... i'm dying here
> i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
> i'm confused
>
> the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i
move the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the
up and down positions...i don't get it...
> this can't be right
>
> i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
>
> i thought this was going to be the easy part
>
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339593#339593
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
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Subject: | West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Whisky's cheap in Wisconsin.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn!
Jim,
I'm definitely hopefully planning on being at Brodhead and Oshkosh this
year. I'm just worried about having to face Ernie Moreno since he had
offered to help me put my Corvair back together about twenty years ago. Any
day now, Ernie.
Hamburgers are at the clubhouse/T-hangar at the east end of the taxiway. On
a nice day we roll the big door open so the taxiing aircraft can blow dirt
all over the hamburgers. Adds a special zest to them. Let me know when
you're coming over and I'll make sure I'm out there.
I don't know if I should buy a bottle of whiskey for Gary back at Brodhead
or bring one from home. What do you think?
Darrel
On 5/11/2011 11:53 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Hi Darrel,
We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you at
Brodhead this year. One of these days we will drive over for a hamburger.
Where is the BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your hanger?
Cheers,
Jim
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Very nice Dave! It looks like it's built for the hayfield!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Hi Darrel,
I think I would bring it but make sure its not accessible to you while movi
ng. Are you flying=C2- back this year too? Are you going to be there this
Saturday?=C2- I can=C2- come over this Saturday.
Cheers,
Jim
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You want flop? I geeve you flop!
I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
silly thing!
Clif :-)
> Dave,
> I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No
> wonder it's hard to get in and out!
> Cheers,
> Dan
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