---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/11/11: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:46 AM - Re: Firewall progress... (jarheadpilot82) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Jerry Dotson) 3. 05:45 AM - Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Dangerous Dave) 5. 06:30 AM - Dave's W&B (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 6. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Ben Charvet) 7. 07:27 AM - Re: controls (bender) 8. 08:24 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: controls (Gboothe5) 10. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 11. 09:06 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave) 12. 09:23 AM - Re: Done (Baldeagle) 13. 10:33 AM - Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (dgaldrich) 14. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Dan Yocum) 15. 10:47 AM - Re: Dave's W&B (Dangerous Dave) 16. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (Rick Holland) 17. 11:55 AM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jim Boyer) 18. 01:11 PM - bellcrank geometry (bender) 19. 01:58 PM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (aerocarjake) 20. 02:03 PM - Re: Firewall progress... (aerocarjake) 21. 02:51 PM - Re: The Perfect Day (Jim Boyer) 22. 05:29 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Darrel Jones) 23. 05:51 PM - Re: bellcrank geometry (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 24. 06:07 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (gboothe5@comcast.net) 25. 06:17 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jack Phillips) 26. 06:48 PM - Re: Done (Don Emch) 27. 07:55 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jim Boyer) 28. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Firewall progress... From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack said it exactly right- really beautiful. On a slightly separate note, I have attached some info on how to burnish, or "fish scale" your own panels. I found this on another forum, and I saved it for future reference. I hope it helps someone. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339538#339538 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fish_scales_pattern_164.pdf ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout From: "Jerry Dotson" Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router and it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it is final. I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood. I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art. Anyone know who did it? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339542#339542 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/profile_133.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a43_882.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:09 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas Larry asked- > Email address please. sterlingintexas@gmail.com My understanding is that he's getting ready to re-list it on eBay after the first and second bidders went incommunicado on him. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th From: "Dangerous Dave" Mike,attached is the W&B.Been flying a Murphy Moose and will do a bunch of takeoffs and landing in a Champ prior to first flight,Dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339547#339547 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bushcamper_wandb_final_103.xls ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:25 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dave's W&B Thank you for sharing your full weight and balance report Dave. This should be very helpful to those who are also building using Lycoming 0-235 engines. Good to hear you're doing some flying in the Murphy Moose and then the Champ. Excellent. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:59 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood. > I got around the hard to see part by rotating the instruments so the part you actually used was visible from the pilot's view. Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls From: "bender" just a little skin gone my wife the RN loves when i come home with band-aids the rudder bar support bracket is the one that got away.. but its bolted in now jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339556#339556 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bar_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B From: "Dangerous Dave" Just as a note to O 235 prospects,I found no way with the long fuselage to not have the Heliocamper look.I like it but some traditionalist think its abhorrent,not my problem.I would suggest not making your motor mount until your done covered,figure out total FWF weight including prop and cowling and then figure mount length based on where you want your CG to be.Or you can do it all a couple of times for practice.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339557#339557 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls Skin is a renewable resource...sure makes you jump, though, doesn't it? Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: controls just a little skin gone my wife the RN loves when i come home with band-aids the rudder bar support bracket is the one that got away.. but its bolted in now jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339556#339556 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bar_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:53 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B Dave, You could have slanted your wing back 4, 5, or 6" aft of the cabane struts being upright to keep your motor mount from being long. Steve E. did that from Utah in the late 90's (not with an 0-235 but he was a big boy back then) Mike C. do not archive PS- there are some GREAT W&B articles in the two more recent paper-mailed BPAN articles by Ryan Mueller and William Wynne. Those are excellent points of reference for anyone wondering how to configure the wing, motor mount, and to compensate for long/ short heavy/thin pilots. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B From: "Dangerous Dave" Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and slanted them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the bush and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the geometry of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to get in it.Just my reasoning.Dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339563#339563 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Done From: "Baldeagle" Dave, looks great, love the scallops. I'll be flying out there on the 17th to work on the SPAD and do some flying over the weekend, hope to see you there- Andrew - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339565#339565 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout From: "dgaldrich" As others have mentioned in past posts, the altimeter and sometimes airspeed, can be a pretty deep instruments and can interfere with the crossed aileron wires. Repeat after me...."Measure twice, cut once." I say that not because I'm smart; I usually precede it with the phrase "Why didn't I..." In any event, your important instruments are close to line-of-sight. The only thing you might think about is switching the tach and altimeter. The argument goes that on takeoff and landing the ASI and tach are the most important instruments. Once you get the fuselage assembled, you can use the cardboard mockup to play with arrangements until you find one that works. As Ben mentions, small ones at the bottom can be tough to read quickly since the face is inset into the instrument. West Coast Piet also has a bunch of pics of panels. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339573#339573 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:03 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B Dave, I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No wonder it's hard to get in and out! It's a bit late to go backwards, but having slanted the cabanes back even a few inches would reduce the length of your motor mount considerably. I don't reckon that the geometry of the struts would be that horribly affected - they'd still be parallelograms, and it's the flying wires that really give it the stiffness. If you're still interested, you should order the reprints of the last 2 or 3 Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. newsletters where Ryan and Wm. Wynne's W&B articles feature prominently. Cheers, Dan On 05/11/2011 11:04 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave" > > Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and slanted them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the bush and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the geometry of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to get in it.Just my reasoning.Dave > > -------- > taking to hangar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339563#339563 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B From: "Dangerous Dave" I have all the Brodhead newsletters.thanks -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339576#339576 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout From: Rick Holland I ended up making 4 instrument boards. And just in case I ended up screwing rather than gluing my pseudo-final one. rick On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > jdotson@centurylink.net> > > Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router > and it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it > is final. I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments > that were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to > what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time > comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood. > > I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art. > Anyone know who did it? > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339542#339542 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/profile_133.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a43_882.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:39 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Hi Darrel, We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you at Brodhead this year. One of these days we will drive over for a hamburger. Where is the BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your hanger? Cheers, Jim Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry From: "bender" Ok .... i'm dying here i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables... i'm confused the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up and down positions...i don't get it... this can't be right i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice i thought this was going to be the easy part jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339593#339593 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th From: "aerocarjake" thanks Dave - this helps.... Good luck on your test flights.........! (Watch out for those bugs in your teeth.... ha!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339596#339596 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Firewall progress... From: "aerocarjake" great stuff.... thanks Terry for posting this info. ...and thanks everyone for the positive comments - helps motivate me through the project when there is such a long ways yet to go....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339599#339599 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:43 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Perfect Day Gary, That really sounds like a neat way to travel and pick up Piets. You and Mike/Vic Groah along with Charlie and Scott would be the first to make the trip it looks like. Cheers, Jim B. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:57 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Jim, I'm definitely hopefully planning on being at Brodhead and Oshkosh this year. I'm just worried about having to face Ernie Moreno since he had offered to help me put my Corvair back together about twenty years ago. Any day now, Ernie. Hamburgers are at the clubhouse/T-hangar at the east end of the taxiway. On a nice day we roll the big door open so the taxiing aircraft can blow dirt all over the hamburgers. Adds a special zest to them. Let me know when you're coming over and I'll make sure I'm out there. I don't know if I should buy a bottle of whiskey for Gary back at Brodhead or bring one from home. What do you think? Darrel On 5/11/2011 11:53 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hi Darrel, > > We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you > at Brodhead this year. One of these days we will drive over for a > hamburger. Where is the BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your > hanger? > > Cheers, > > Jim > > Do not archive > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:40 PM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry Jeff, I worried about this for about a year. Just guessing but I bet you haven't hooked up the cables from the bellcrank to the elevator. When you do the weight of the elevator will take out the slack. At least it did in mine. Skip > [Original Message] > From: bender > To: > Date: 5/11/2011 4:13:42 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry > > > Ok .... i'm dying here > i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables... > i'm confused > > the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up and down positions...i don't get it... > this can't be right > > i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice > > i thought this was going to be the easy part > > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339593#339593 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! 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Whisky's cheap in Wisconsin. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Jim, I'm definitely hopefully planning on being at Brodhead and Oshkosh this year. I'm just worried about having to face Ernie Moreno since he had offered to help me put my Corvair back together about twenty years ago. Any day now, Ernie. Hamburgers are at the clubhouse/T-hangar at the east end of the taxiway. On a nice day we roll the big door open so the taxiing aircraft can blow dirt all over the hamburgers. Adds a special zest to them. Let me know when you're coming over and I'll make sure I'm out there. I don't know if I should buy a bottle of whiskey for Gary back at Brodhead or bring one from home. What do you think? Darrel On 5/11/2011 11:53 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: Hi Darrel, We will miss you at Frazier Lake this year but I hope to also see you at Brodhead this year. One of these days we will drive over for a hamburger. Where is the BBQ done? Up by the office to the East of your hanger? Cheers, Jim Do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Done From: "Don Emch" Very nice Dave! It looks like it's built for the hayfield! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339630#339630 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:47 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! Hi Darrel, I think I would bring it but make sure its not accessible to you while movi ng. Are you flying=C2- back this year too? Are you going to be there this Saturday?=C2- I can=C2- come over this Saturday. Cheers, Jim Do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:04 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B You want flop? I geeve you flop! I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the silly thing! Clif :-) > Dave, > I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No > wonder it's hard to get in and out! > Cheers, > Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.