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1. 12:25 AM - look what I found (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: bellcrank geometry (Jack)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: My Instrument Panel Layout (bubbleboy)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (AircamperN11MS)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: bellcrank geometry (bender)
6. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: bellcrank geometry (Michael Perez)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Ken Bickers)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Dan Yocum)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (Dan Yocum)
10. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (Ryan Mueller)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: bellcrank geometry (bender)
12. 08:59 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (AircamperN11MS)
13. 09:07 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (AircamperN11MS)
14. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Dave's W&B (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
15. 09:22 AM - Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th (kevinpurtee)
16. 09:39 AM - She's got legs - again (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: bellcrank geometry (Jack)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: She's got legs - again (Jack)
19. 10:27 AM - Re: She's got legs - again (Ryan Mueller)
20. 12:40 PM - Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you need him ?? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
21. 12:57 PM - Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you need him ?? (John Hofmann)
22. 02:11 PM - Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you need him (K5YAC)
23. 05:34 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Darrel Jones)
24. 07:15 PM - Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! (Jim Boyer)
25. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you need him (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | look what I found |
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| Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
Jeff,
It's my understanding that some slack is good. There is an alternative
bellcrank design by Ken Perkins, you can see a picture here
http://textors.com/DSCN4226_640x480.jpg not far enough along to say it works
but Ken is a fantastic builder. His contact info,
Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
913-764-6949
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry
Ok .... i'm dying here
i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
i'm confused
the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move
the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up
and down positions...i don't get it...
this can't be right
i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
i thought this was going to be the easy part
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
Thank you guys! I didnt think about not being able to read the smaller instruments.
I guess I will check once the fuse is assembled and then make the adjustments.
Can anyone give me an idea of the distance from the panel to where the aileron
cables run through the back?
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
Congratulations Dave,
I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it to
1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a Sport
Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed. As
the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from loose to
tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel at
the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but i'm wondering
if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
I use the push/pull tube setup on my plane so I can't help you with the cab
le slack/tight problem. However, it would be wise to position the bellcrank
to be vertical when the control stick is neutral. This will give you the s
ame stick "feel" when you move the stick from neutral forward and neutral a
ft. Also, it will give the controls the same amount a travel in both direct
ions. (which if needed can be limited by stops.)
You will find the same cable issues with the rudder.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 5/12/11, bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> wrote:
From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bellcrank geometry
>
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from loo
se to tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel
at the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but
i'm wondering if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
Scott,
The information I've seen is that the gross weight limit for airplanes
to be sport pilot eligible is 1320 lbs. Has that number been changed?
Ken
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:40 AM, AircamperN11MS
<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Dave,
>
> I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it to
1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a Sport
Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed. As
the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
>
> My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
Scott,
I hear there's a dyslexia for cure found! News good, us for!
The definition of light sport aircraft is found in FAR 1.1
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
meet the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than
(i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation
on water; or
(ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation
on water.
Dave's OK with his weight spec'd at 1250.
Dan
On 05/12/2011 08:40 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS"<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> Congratulations Dave,
>
> I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it
to 1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a
Sport Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed.
As the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
>
> My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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And N8031 has a cut-out which works pretty well, too.
Dan
On 05/11/2011 10:45 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> You want flop? I geeve you flop!
>
> I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
> years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
> up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
> silly thing!
>
> Clif :-)
>
>> Dave,
>> I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out.
>> No wonder it's hard to get in and out!
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
No, don't believe it's changed:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=415
<http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=415>
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> The information I've seen is that the gross weight limit for airplanes
> to be sport pilot eligible is 1320 lbs. Has that number been changed?
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:40 AM, AircamperN11MS
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
> Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
> >
> > Congratulations Dave,
> >
> > I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B
> and noticed that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to
> lower it to 1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be
> flown by a Sport Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot
> be changed. As the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would
> like.
> >
> > My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Liefeld
> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
> > Steel Tube
> > C-85-12
> > Wire Wheels
> > Brodhead in 1996
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
thanks...
i was just out in the hangar messing with it.... if i leave the cables just tight
enough not to sag then it actually feels ok.. it just seems weird to be that
loose..
the wooden block under the seat instead of the pulley would work great too , no
real friction with loose cables
in unison now... " stick to the plans "
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
Opps, you are correct. Maybe it was to early this morning for me. Just got my
first cup of coffee.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
Now you all see why I don't say to much.
I have Foot in mouth disease.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Sure.... You just wanted everyone to see your grin!
--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:32 AM
> And N8031 has a cut-out which works
> pretty well, too.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 05/11/2011 10:45 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> > You want flop? I geeve you flop!
> >
> > I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
> > years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
> > up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
> > silly thing!
> >
> > Clif :-)
> >
> >> Dave,
> >> I just realized - you don't have a center section
> flop or a cut-out.
> >> No wonder it's hard to get in and out!
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of
> petty things."
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
Scott - I keep my foot firmly in my mouth most of the time on this list. Keeps
me out of some trouble:).
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | She's got legs - again |
Progress comes in baby steps I guess. I finished the final welds last
night and got N328X back up on its gear after building it wrong the first
time. Thanks to our own Ryan Mueller and guru William Wynne the axles
have been moved forward a full 6 inches from the plans location to account
for brakes and no tail skid. One additional benefit will be a slight
shift of weight in the forward direction which I expect to be beneficial
as well.
Sorry, no photos yet since everything had to come back off for cleaning
up, priming, and painting before (what I hope to be) final assembly.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
SpaceShipZero.One
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
Jeff, again, I'm not past this point but my understanding is it helps
forward of the bellcrank also.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bellcrank geometry
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from
loose to tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel
at the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but
i'm wondering if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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| Subject: | She's got legs - again |
That's great Tom!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: She's got legs - again
Progress comes in baby steps I guess. I finished the final welds last night
and got N328X back up on its gear after building it wrong the first time.
Thanks to our own Ryan Mueller and guru William Wynne the axles have been
moved forward a full 6 inches from the plans location to account for brakes
and no tail skid. One additional benefit will be a slight shift of weight
in the forward direction which I expect to be beneficial as well.
Sorry, no photos yet since everything had to come back off for cleaning up,
priming, and painting before (what I hope to be) final assembly.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
SpaceShipZero.One
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| Subject: | Re: She's got legs - again |
Congratulations Tom!!
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:37 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Progress comes in baby steps I guess. I finished the final welds last
> night and got N328X back up on its gear after building it wrong the first
> time. Thanks to our own Ryan Mueller and guru William Wynne the axles have
> been moved forward a full 6 inches from the plans location to account for
> brakes and no tail skid. One additional benefit will be a slight shift of
> weight in the forward direction which I expect to be beneficial as well.*
> **
> *Sorry, no photos yet since everything had to come back off for cleaning
> up, priming, and painting before (what I hope to be) final assembly.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
> *SpaceShipZero.One*
> **
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you need |
him ??
For those of you who joined the list after Wildman Ray, (aka The Fisherman
) Axillou dropped off the Piet list,
he was building a Piet under some shade trees in Florida out of anything he
could get his hands on from Home Depot
and was making grand headway until he found out there are a hundred metal f
ittings to be hand-fabricated and
welded to hold everything together.
He was always yacking about retiring to Belize and flying is Pietenpol down
there. He actually caused such a ruckus on
the list with his hair-up-his-netheregion ideas (most were downright unairw
orthy and outright dangerous) that it caused
some of us to become good friends on the list as we all shared our frustrat
ions with this character in trying to get him to
build safely out of decent grade materials.
>From AvWeb below. Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you |
need him ??
http://falconview0.tripod.com/raymondauxillou/
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On May 12, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> For those of you who joined the list after Wildman Ray, (aka The
Fisherman) Axillou dropped off the Piet list,
> he was building a Piet under some shade trees in Florida out of
anything he could get his hands on from Home Depot
> and was making grand headway until he found out there are a hundred
metal fittings to be hand-fabricated and
> welded to hold everything together.
>
> He was always yacking about retiring to Belize and flying is Pietenpol
down there. He actually caused such a ruckus on
> the list with his hair-up-his-netheregion ideas (most were downright
unairworthy and outright dangerous) that it caused
> some of us to become good friends on the list as we all shared our
frustrations with this character in trying to get him to
> build safely out of decent grade materials.
>
> =46rom AvWeb below. Do not archive
>
>
>
> <Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg>
>
>
> <Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you |
need him
What? Un-airworthy practices on THIS list? Inconceivable! :D
They need to be delivered by C-46 Commando or C-47 Skytrain... I can't think of
a more fitting aircraft to deliver something on the 5th-6th of June.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Jim,
You can load a case of your best stuff in baggage compartment. I promise
not to touch it while in flight. At least not until the first fuel stop.
There might be some left by the time I get to Brodhead. The Stinson is
good for 6oo pounds in the back seat. (For those who don't know
me...just kidding.)
I'll be working on the Taylorcraft Saturday so swing by the hangar and
we'll get a hamburger.
Darrel
On 5/11/2011 7:52 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Darrel,
>
> I think I would bring it but make sure its not accessible to you while
> moving. Are you flying back this year too? Are you going to be there
> this Saturday? I can come over this Saturday.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Cool Darrel see you=C2-Saturday morning around 10:30.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when |
you need him
Better call up Buffalo Air!
By the way, I understand they've been contracted
to do a re-enactment of the Dambuster bombings.
Clif
>
> They need to be delivered by C-46 Commando or C-47 Skytrain... I can't
> think of a more fitting aircraft to deliver something on the 5th-6th of
> June.
> Mark Chouinard
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