---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/18/11: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:56 AM - Re: project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop (Woodflier@aol.com) 4. 05:36 AM - Matronics problem? (Lawrence Williams) 5. 05:39 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop (AircamperN11MS) 6. 05:52 AM - Re: Plywood Order (Bill Church) 7. 06:02 AM - Re: project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] (Jack Phillips) 8. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop (Jack Phillips) 9. 06:08 AM - Re: Matronics problem? (Bill Church) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: Brodhead tips (shad bell) 11. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor (Darrel Jones) 12. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop (Dan Yocum) 13. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop (Jack Phillips) 14. 10:30 AM - project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] (899PM) 15. 11:51 AM - West Coast Piet Gathering (Michael Groah) 16. 12:44 PM - Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 17. 01:13 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (jarheadpilot82) 18. 01:14 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (AircamperN11MS) 19. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 20. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (Ryan Mueller) 21. 01:48 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (AircamperN11MS) 22. 01:50 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (AircamperN11MS) 23. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 24. 02:08 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (K5YAC) 25. 02:13 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (K5YAC) 26. 05:11 PM - update (airlion) 27. 05:50 PM - Re: update (Jack Phillips) 28. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor (Clif Dawson) 29. 07:49 PM - Re: update (dwilson) 30. 08:40 PM - Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls (ldmill) 31. 09:17 PM - Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls (gboothe5@comcast.net) 32. 11:21 PM - Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA (jarheadpilot82) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:54 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor 10,000 fewer rivets than an RV-10 would still mean that a Pietenpol would have 15,000 rivets. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor Pietenpol builders don't need no stinking air compressor. There are 10,000 fewer rivets than that (very cool by the way) RV-10............ Now if your Nicopress was missing.......... ;-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340225#340225 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: project statuses [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" engine for sale] From: helspersew@aol.com Dan, I'm glad you asked. Monday I flew the Aeronca back to Poplar Grove, to work on the Piet for a couple of days. It has become apparent that I am not goi ng to have enough spare time to spend here up north, in order to create and finish the battery/electronic ignition system I was working on. So I took it off and I am just going with the one crank-driven magneto. At some point in the future I will finish my work on the new system, but not now. So the plan is to show up at Brodhead this year. I am ready to test-run, but it i s raining now and I'll have to wait awhile. As some of you might know, I have a model A with an 8-plug head. Can anyone see any problem with having that extra set of plugs in there not firing? I don't think it will be a problem, but I am open to hearing all views. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:45 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne. Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:40 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Matronics problem? Is anyone else having trouble with the digest version of the Pietlist not loading? Larry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop From: "AircamperN11MS" Matt, What engine do you have the Cloudcar bolted to? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340258#340258 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood Order From: "Bill Church" First off, 1/16" IS the thickness called for in the plans, for the wing rib gussets. I used Finnish Birch A/C ply for mine, but the ribs are very robust. While Okoume is not quite as strong as Birch I'm sure it would work just fine for the rib gussets. I'm using 1088 Okoume Marine ply for all the rest of my plywood in my construction. And secondly, Mark (Roberts), never mind making CNC-machined jigs - why not just build some airplane parts. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340261#340261 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:34 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: project statuses [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" engine for sale] Shouldn't be a problem, other than possibly fouling the non-firing plugs. I'd advise cleaning them well before using them again. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: project statuses [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" engine for sale] Dan, I'm glad you asked. Monday I flew the Aeronca back to Poplar Grove, to work on the Piet for a couple of days. It has become apparent that I am not going to have enough spare time to spend here up north, in order to create and finish the battery/electronic ignition system I was working on. So I took it off and I am just going with the one crank-driven magneto. At some point in the future I will finish my work on the new system, but not now. So the plan is to show up at Brodhead this year. I am ready to test-run, but it is raining now and I'll have to wait awhile. As some of you might know, I have a model A with an 8-plug head. Can anyone see any problem with having that extra set of plugs in there not firing? I don't think it will be a problem, but I am open to hearing all views. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:55 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Did Rucker rebuild the engine? I've heard both good and bad things about his "mechanikin' ". Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne. Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matronics problem? From: "Bill Church" Larry, I just went to the Matronics website, and tried to access the Digest version, and the link did not work for me. In fact, none of the Digest version links(for other Lists) would work either. But when I copied and pasted the URL into my browser, it worked. Maybe this link will do the trick: http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/index.html Bill C. ABC, DEF, GHI LMNOP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340268#340268 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:27 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips I thought those X's ment that was runway 10 (roman numerals) I wondered why they didn't all head east. Looking forward to Brodhead, and my piet fly in Shad --- On Tue, 5/17/11, John Hofmann wrote: From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips Truer words were never said. I will be there to smack Kevin with a board if needed. A wise man once said "Smile son, never disconcert the masses." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email:=C2-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On May 17, 2011, at 11:04 AM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Jarhead (and all first timers), Be sure to watch and memorize lines from The Great Waldo Pepper. You do not want to appear stupid or inconsequential by not inserting the proper quote at the appropriate time in an otherwise seemingly meaningful conversation. Gary Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com tips Please note the big yellow "X's" on the NW-SE and NE-SW runways. =C2-Thos e are reserved for Kevin "Axel" Purtee. I kid, I kid! Dan On 05/17/2011 08:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Here=99s an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas ma rked: North (to Brodhead) Pietenpol parking Hangars and Movie Main Runway 09/27 Forums, Dinners, and Shower area I=99m getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days (j ust nine weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still haven=99t de cided if I will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the weather is good, I=99ll fly it. Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe Blumberg *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM *To:* pietenpolgroup *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if you want a room. Rv=99s and campers are allowed by the road and aroun d the hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far side of the closed runway by the trees, (I=99ve been told it was for tents only, though I=99m seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATO RS are allowed there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars. Wherever you end up, they ask for a small camping =9Cdonation =9D for which you get your annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle. I THINK there=99s a dinner Friday and Sat evening and there=99s a breakfast some mornings, but I=99m not sure which. There are bathrooms and show ers, but you have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy. Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so don=99t plan on doing anything. Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with most planes arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one is never really sure who will show up or when. There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out, and there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a hangar. I=99ve heard it=99s Friday and I=99ve heard it =99s Saturday, and I=99ve always wanted to attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather secretive event, so good luck with that one. There are few organized events, it=99s completely laid back. Sometime s we get a =9Cdawn patrol=9D of some of the more intrepid aviators a nd nice evenings always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good, planes just come and go all day with rides being hopped by various friendly pilots. The only organized events are the seminars held on Saturday, late morning, through the afternoon. These are all given by volunteers and the topics cover a multitude of subjects based on that person=99s expertise. I=99ve seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at Brodhead adult and otherwise. Douwe Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, you=99ve accomplished a great thing. Fly safe!! * =C2-* * =C2-* ** ** ** *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* ** ** *http://forums.matronics.com* ** ** *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* * =C2-* -- Dan Yocum Fermilab =C2-630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty ==== ================== ---> http://www.matr=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-&n=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-&nbs=C2-=C2---> http://www.matronics.com/co=== ============= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:07 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor That's 15,000 STAPLES Jack. Darrel Sonoma On 5/18/2011 4:14 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > 10,000 fewer rivets than an RV-10 would still mean that a Pietenpol would > have 15,000 rivets. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "aerocarjake" > > Pietenpol builders don't need no stinking air compressor. There are 10,000 > fewer rivets than that (very cool by the way) RV-10............ > > Now if your Nicopress was missing.......... ;-) > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340225#340225 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:23 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Matt, Also verify that your tach is calibrated - an optical digital tachometer will tell if it's correct or not. Here's one from ACS for $37: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/onetouch.php Probably someone in your area has one they'll let you use, too. Cheers, Dan On 05/18/2011 07:09 AM, Woodflier@aol.com wrote: > Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a > Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll > let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static > runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne. > Matt Paxton > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Good idea, Matt. You buy it then I can borrow it to see what my engine/prop is really doing. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop Matt, Also verify that your tach is calibrated - an optical digital tachometer will tell if it's correct or not. Here's one from ACS for $37: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/onetouch.php Probably someone in your area has one they'll let you use, too. Cheers, Dan On 05/18/2011 07:09 AM, Woodflier@aol.com wrote: > Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a > Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll > let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static > runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne. > Matt Paxton > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] From: "899PM" I have been working mostly on finishing the '38 Taylorcraft restoration. Wx has been lousy for any test flights, so to soothe myself, I started the Piet two weekends ago. Ran fine for a couple minutes then shook like it was going to tear itself off the mount. As I got around to to shut it down, I noticed no tach and no oil pressure( I had both on start-up). In reviewing the situation, I am pretty confident that the fiber cam gear self-destructed, throwing the timing completely off.. I will tear it down as time allows. Discouraging to say the least. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340308#340308 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:33 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Gathering Ok everyone, We're just two and a half weeks away from our third annual West Coast Pietenpol Gathering! Location: Frazier Lake (very nice grass strip airport just north of Hollister CA) If you're planning on coming it would be nice if you could rsvp to Charlie Miller (our host) or my self Mike Groah so Charlie can plan the food. We had a great turn out and fun time last year and I'm sure this year will be even better. Attached is the info sheet for the event which has the times, phone numbers and other details. Thanks, and I hope to see you in June! Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA Guys-I used to get some really cool hand-written letters and photos from Da niel Cork (a former TWA Lockheed Constellation pilot) who built a really neat lo oking Pietenpol but lost touch with him and I presume he may have passed but hopefully not and maybe you all know of what happened to his Piet or if he ever flew it. I know he had a son who was helping him and was/ is a pilot too so perhaps the son has the airplane or is flying it. Any updates or info on Dan and his son would be greatly appreciated. Michael Cuy ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "jarheadpilot82" Michael, I just did a quick search on the FAA Registry and there are no Pietenpols registered to a last name Cork. There is a Gerald D Cork that owns a C172 in PA and a Dennis R Cork that owns several Cessnas in AK. Wish I had better news. I would love to have met him- any pilot that flew Connies would be great to talk to! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340323#340323 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Mike, I used to see Dan a lot. He used to come to my Piet gatherings in Corona. He did finish the Piet. He had flown it a few times then ground looped it, folded up one of the wire wheels and got the wing and prop. After that he gave it to his son in Oklahoma. I don't know if it ever got rebuilt. Dan also had a Tripacer and kept it at Kernville airport here in CA. Here is the last number I had for him if you would like to give him a ring. 661-867-2704. I haven't talked to him in several years now. Let me know what you find out. His Piet even had a wine barrel with a tapper built into it. It was very creative. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340324#340324 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:28 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork ! Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about the Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them. I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love to catch up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out. Mike Cuy ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: Ryan Mueller The guy that owns the Piet now, per the FAA, lives about a mile south of Mark C in Owasso! http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=541K Ryan (white pages search will find you his number) On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > AEROSPACE CORP]" > > Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork ! > > Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about > the > Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them. > > I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love > to catch > up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out. > > Mike Cuy > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "AircamperN11MS" I guess I should try and call too. He's a great man. Now I feel bad for not calling sooner. Shame on me. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340327#340327 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "AircamperN11MS" Great sleuthing. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340328#340328 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:24 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA Funny that I stumbled on that too Ryan and actually stumbled on some photos of Mark C. on his EAA Chapter web site with his wing ribs, wing, fuselage (not made on a CNC jig) and tai lfeathers ! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA The guy that owns the Piet now, per the FAA, lives about a mile south of Ma rk C in Owasso! http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=541K Ryan (white pages search will find you his number) On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] > wrote: SPACE CORP]" > Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork ! Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about t he Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them. I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love t o catch up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out. Mike Cuy st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "K5YAC" Yep, it did get rebuilt and it flies regularly. N541K is actually a Grega and indeed it is creative... a beer tap, tomahawk, bottle opener and other items adorn the fuselage. The current owner lives on Gundy's airport in Owasso, Oklahoma, which is also where I am building and happens to be right down the street from the son, Dan Cork Jr. He can be contacted through his web site http://www.thebrewshack.com/. Since we are on the subject, I'll share a short story... as many of you know, I started on my project a little over two years ago. Shortly after I started work on my project, I was looking for a cleanser for my beer kegerator lines. A friend of mine recommended a place called The Brew Shack, which operates out of a fellow's shop out behind his house. Once I looked at the address I realized that this guy was located right across the field from my place, so I went on over. Once I walked inside I saw props on the wall, airplane photos and several other signs of aviation activity, so of course I offered that I was a pilot and that I was building a Pietenpol. He paused for a second and then proceeded to explain that he and his dad built a Grega. When he started to describe it, I quickly realized which one he was talking about... It is actually the only one I have sat in. He took me to his computer and we started looking through a bunch of photos of him and his dad building N541K. Several days later he dropped by to hand me a CD with a bunch of build photos, which was a nice addition to my extremely limited collection. I had obviously not heard of West Coast Piet or Jim Markle yet... I just know that he's going to come through with those old Pietenpol newsletters in PDF format any day now. If I had the CD here I would post a photo. Perhaps I can talk to Dan and the new owner to see if they would mind me sending the photos to Chris at West Coast Piet. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340331#340331 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "K5YAC" Definitely NOT a CNC jig. LOL! Yeah, I happened across the same results when I was looking for a photo. I know the new owner pretty well... in fact, I'm borrowing his 00 and 000 torch tips. I'm pretty sure that he and Dan would let me share the photos if you guys are interested. Unlike you old timers, I have no association with the dad, but the son seemed real nice. Heck, he's a beer and wine guy... gets pretty high marks for that alone! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340332#340332 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:25 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: update Gentlemen, I am in the process of tearing my Piet down to see what can be saved. The fuselage and firewall forward are good. The tailcone needed some repair and I have already done that. The landing gear has been rewelded but not installed yet. My elevators are good but the horizontal and vertical stabs are toast. I have been doing a lot of repair on the cowling. Also, I will be rewiring because I took all the instruments out by cutting the wires to keep from being stolen. I will need to build new wings as they really got smushed. Will there be any ribs available at brodhead this year? I don't want to spend all winter building ribs as I am too old. Cheers and I am keeping my hopes up. See ya'll at Brodhead. I will be driving this time but I was planning to fly my Piet up. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:39 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update Gardiner, If you'll buy the material I will build you the ribs. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: update Gentlemen, I am in the process of tearing my Piet down to see what can be saved. The fuselage and firewall forward are good. The tailcone needed some repair and I have already done that. The landing gear has been rewelded but not installed yet. My elevators are good but the horizontal and vertical stabs are toast. I have been doing a lot of repair on the cowling. Also, I will be rewiring because I took all the instruments out by cutting the wires to keep from being stolen. I will need to build new wings as they really got smushed. Will there be any ribs available at brodhead this year? I don't want to spend all winter building ribs as I am too old. Cheers and I am keeping my hopes up. See ya'll at Brodhead. I will be driving this time but I was planning to fly my Piet up. Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:36 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor Aarrgghhhhh...That's still enough to make you turn green and croak 'rivet, rivet!'. Clif do not archive > 10,000 fewer rivets than an RV-10 would still mean that a Pietenpol would > have 15,000 rivets. > > Jack ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: update From: "dwilson" Anyone know what would be a fair price for a set of ribs ? These are original Piet airfoil. Considering building a another set myself. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340347#340347 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls From: "ldmill" Fairly long post (adrenaline letdown). After about 30 hours in this plane, am finally starting to expand my knowledge of how it handles a wider flight envelope. Today, I learned about where my limit in crosswind in the GN-1 is. Flew for a little over an hour and winds in Marshalltown, Iowa were 9kt at 20 degrees off the runway heading when I took-off - did six T@G with no problem (crosswind component = about 3kt, no biggie). This was the most wind I've ever flown this plane in to date. However - keep reading for the Paul Harvey version of the saga. Next - went up to 3k AGL and did my first stall in this plane. Kept throttling back and started playing around with slow flight getting a feel for it. At 47mph indicated (1100rpm), the nose would start to wander around - at 45 mph I'd get the occasional wiffodill (beginning light buffet of a stall). The rudder was very sensitive and I felt like I could easily accidentally kick the plane into a spin if not careful. At 42 mph indicated (the stick was about buried in my nether regions) - the nose abruptly dropped like a stone slightly to the right and plane quickly accelerated to 85 mph before I got it pulled out without pulling too much G. This was a more abrupt stall with not as much warning as the C-172 that I'm used to flying, but not too bad. However - my big lesson on this was to make damn sure to watch the airspeed on final - no way will you ever have time to pull out if you accidentally stall it, and you don't get very much notice that it's going to happen. Now the interesting part - I was flying past the airport again (on the way somewhere else) and decided to check the AWOS - 19kt gusting to 26, 50 degrees off the runway. Holy smokes.... that can't be right, it's only been an hour - next update it was 17kt gusting to 25, 45 degrees off - next update it was 18kt gusting to 24kt, 55 degrees off, then 21kt, then 25, then 23... Okay - I needed to get down NOW before I soiling myself thinking about this... First approach was 19 gusting to 23 at 55 degrees off - and I was full rudder and couldn't hold the 100ft wide runway - was churning butter with the stick it was miserably rough within 100 ft of the ground - aborted and went around. Second approach was reported 18 gusting 26 at 55 off the runway- absolute full rudder and about 30 degrees down wing to hold center line - to a landing that I would be happy with in a normal situation. Was down and stopped in about 300ft. What an absolute ego trip!! Of bloody course nobody was watching to congratulate me on my expert pilot skills... sigh... 18kt crosswind at 55 off the runway is around a 15kt direct crosswind component - or 17+mph. I don't think I saw more than about a 23kt gust - which would put it at about 19kt crosswind (22mph). I'm impressed with the planes ability to handle this high of crosswind - I don't know what the plane is actually capable of, but I was definitely at my personal limit. Too much excitement today for me. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340350#340350 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls From: gboothe5@comcast.net Lorin, Thanks for the report. Let me be the first to congratulate you on your piloting skills!! Gary Do not archive Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "ldmill" Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Fairly long post (adrenaline letdown). After about 30 hours in this plane, am finally starting to expand my knowledge of how it handles a wider flight envelope. Today, I learned about where my limit in crosswind in the GN-1 is. Flew for a little over an hour and winds in Marshalltown, Iowa were 9kt at 20 degrees off the runway heading when I took-off - did six T@G with no problem (crosswind component = about 3kt, no biggie). This was the most wind I've ever flown this plane in to date. However - keep reading for the Paul Harvey version of the saga. Next - went up to 3k AGL and did my first stall in this plane. Kept throttling back and started playing around with slow flight getting a feel for it. At 47mph indicated (1100rpm), the nose would start to wander around - at 45 mph I'd get the occasional wiffodill (beginning light buffet of a stall). The rudder was very sensitive and I felt like I could easily accidentally kick the plane into a spin if not careful. At 42 mph indicated (the stick was about buried in my nether regions) - the nose abruptly dropped like a stone slightly to the right and plane quickly accelerated to 85 mph before I got it pulled out without pulling too much G. This was a more abrupt stall with not as much warning as the C-172 that I'm used to flying, but not too bad. However - my big lesson on this was to make damn sure to watch the airspeed on final - no way will you ever have time to pull out if you accidentally stall it, and you don't get very much notice that it's going to happen. Now the interesting part - I was flying past the airport again (on the way somewhere else) and decided to check the AWOS - 19kt gusting to 26, 50 degrees off the runway. Holy smokes.... that can't be right, it's only been an hour - next update it was 17kt gusting to 25, 45 degrees off - next update it was 18kt gusting to 24kt, 55 degrees off, then 21kt, then 25, then 23... Okay - I needed to get down NOW before I soiling myself thinking about this... First approach was 19 gusting to 23 at 55 degrees off - and I was full rudder and couldn't hold the 100ft wide runway - was churning butter with the stick it was miserably rough within 100 ft of the ground - aborted and went around. Second approach was reported 18 gusting 26 at 55 off the runway- absolute full rudder and about 30 degrees down wing to hold center line - to a landing that I would be happy with in a normal situation. Was down and stopped in about 300ft. What an absolute ego trip!! Of bloody course nobody was watching to congratulate me on my expert pilot skills... sigh... 18kt crosswind at 55 off the runway is around a 15kt direct crosswind component - or 17+mph. I don't think I saw more than about a 23kt gust - which would put it at about 19kt crosswind (22mph). I'm impressed with the planes ability to handle this high of crosswind - I don't know what the plane is actually capable of, but I was definitely at my personal limit. Too much excitement today for me. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340350#340350 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA From: "jarheadpilot82" Michael, I am glad that you were able to get this search completed so quickly. It also never ceases to amaze me how small this Pietenpol world truly is. It also amazes me how everyone is willing to help and support each other as a part of this great building and flying community. I am excited about the opportunity to meet some of you at Brodhead this year. I have my notebook, pen, and camera ready! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340360#340360 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.