---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/21/11: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:45 AM - final good-bye (Lawrence Williams) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: final good-bye (james theissen) 3. 05:42 AM - Re: final good-bye (Jerry Dotson) 4. 07:07 AM - Re: And so it begins.... In earnest (Gboothe5) 5. 08:43 AM - Re: final good-bye (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 6. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: And so it begins.... In earnest (Mark Roberts) 7. 10:06 AM - A few fuse questions... (Mark Roberts) 8. 11:43 AM - Re: A few fuse questions... (Gboothe5) 9. 02:43 PM - Re: A few fuse questions... (Mark Roberts) 10. 03:44 PM - Re: A few fuse questions... (Gboothe5) 11. 03:44 PM - Hangar (amsafetyc@aol.com) 12. 04:12 PM - end of the world? (Lawrence Williams) 13. 04:25 PM - Re: end of the world? (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 04:29 PM - Re: Hangar (Matthew VanDervort) 15. 04:39 PM - Re: Hangar (Ryan Mueller) 16. 05:20 PM - Re: end of the world? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 17. 05:21 PM - Re: Hangar (Kip and Beth Gardner) 18. 05:46 PM - Re: end of the world? (Dan Yocum) 19. 05:53 PM - Re: Hangar (Jack Phillips) 20. 05:55 PM - Re: end of the world? (Frank Metcalfe) 21. 06:03 PM - Re: Hangar (Ryan Mueller) 22. 06:50 PM - Re: Hangar (amsafetyc@aol.com) 23. 07:18 PM - Re: end of the world? (Rick Holland) 24. 07:23 PM - Re: Hangar (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 25. 07:25 PM - Re: Hangar (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 26. 07:31 PM - Re: A few fuse questions... (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 27. 07:51 PM - Re: Hangar (Matthew VanDervort) 28. 08:03 PM - Re: end of the world? (Clif Dawson) 29. 08:32 PM - Re: end of the world=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 30. 08:36 PM - Re: end of the world=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? (amsafetyc@aol.com) 31. 09:16 PM - Re: Hangar (K5YAC) 32. 09:33 PM - Re: A few fuse questions... (Mark Roberts) 33. 09:39 PM - What are ya using to log your build? (Mark Roberts) 34. 10:22 PM - Re: What are ya using to log your build? (Billy McCaskill) 35. 11:08 PM - Re: final good-bye (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:02 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: final good-bye Just wanted to say a final Aloha to all my Pietenpol friends. Tonight we will no longer have to be constrained by decisions about glue, wood, fittings, plans, or basic designs. We'll have our own wings (and harps?) while fuel cost, insurance, weather, etc. will be dim memories. Truly, we can all reach the state of Snowflakeness which is where our leader has been trying to take us for years. So farewell good friends! It's been a good ride and I love this life but I'm sure it will be even better when we all gather in the great beyond at 6:00 p.m. this evening....depending on our individual time zones. Adieu, adieu. Or .............................we'll just have to settle for Brodhead late in July, which ain't a bad deal either do not archive (or does it really matter??) Larry W. NX899LW xcg,xcmr,epp eaa, ama, ushpga, usaa, nsra, nra sent from my 4 yr. old Dell laptop ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: final good-bye From: james theissen Larry, I am a fellow Christian, and i firmly believe that, one day, Christ will return....but in Gods time, not from the interpretations of a man. Many people have tried to predict when Christ will return, and they all have one thing in common, they were all wrong. Looking forward to serving the Lord until He returns. Yes, the bible is 100% correct, but I wouldn't bet my life on the interpretations of Mr Camping. I would like to hear from you this time tomorrow. Your brother in Christ, James T On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Just wanted to say a final Aloha to all my Pietenpol friends. > > Tonight we will no longer have to be constrained by decisions about glue, > wood, fittings, plans, or basic designs. We'll have our own wings (and > harps?) while fuel cost, insurance, weather, etc. will be dim memories. > Truly, we can all reach the state of Snowflakeness which is where our leader > has been trying to take us for years. > > So farewell good friends! It's been a good ride and I love this life but I'm > sure it will be even better when we all gather in the great beyond at 6:00 > p.m. this evening....depending on our individual time zones. > > Adieu, adieu. > > Or .............................we'll just have to settle for Brodhead late > in July, which ain't a bad deal either > > do not archive > (or does it really matter??) > > Larry W. > NX899LW > xcg,xcmr,epp > eaa, ama, ushpga, usaa, nsra, nra > sent from my 4 yr. old Dell laptop > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: final good-bye From: "Jerry Dotson" Larry, I am going out and work on my Pietenpol just in case air transport is not furnished. Mike Cuy said: "sent from my regular old Dell Windows 7 PC not a smartphone or dumb phone or Ipod, Ipad, or Itouch." I am out of touch. My phone has a wire attached to it...Bell I believe. His 'puter has 7 windows in it? don't you dare archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340510#340510 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: And so it begins.... In earnest Mark, That is indeed great news! I admire you for holding on to The Dream! And your work area is to be envied=85 For 8 years I have had a planer, partially dismantled, stuffed away in my garage. I dug it out a few weeks ago, spent an hour putting it back together, and used it to plane down the =BD=94 spars for the aileron bays. =91till now, everything had been done just with a table saw, and the results have been OK, but, if I had it to do over, I would do as you are, and use the planer more extensively. See you at Frazier Lake! Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: And so it begins.... In earnest Well, I brought home the Fuse side jig today and assembled it in the shop. Next stop: taking raw air-dryed vertical grain sitka spruce and cutting it into very long 1.25" square sticks and planing them into 1" square sticks to begin! Here's pics: ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:40 AM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: final good-bye Well Larry I missed you on Hawaii this year so unless the Lord decides to take either of us before then. I guess ill see ya on Brodhead. At which point I will have total clarity of mimd So I got that going for me and that's a good thing John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 11:46:54 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: final good-bye Just wanted to say a final Aloha to all my Pietenpol friends. Tonight we will no longer have to be constrained by decisions about glue, wood, fittings, plans, or basic designs. We'll have our own wings (and harps?) while fuel cost, insurance, weather, etc. will be dim memories. Truly, we can all reach the state of Snowflakeness which is where our leader has been trying to take us for years. So farewell good friends! It's been a good ride and I love this life but I'm sure it will be even better when we all gather in the great beyond at 6:00 p.m. this evening....depending on our individual time zones. Adieu, adieu. Or .............................we'll just have to settle for Brodhead late in July, which ain't a bad deal either do not archive (or does it really matter??) Larry W. NX899LW xcg,xcmr,epp eaa, ama, ushpga, usaa, nsra, nra sent from my 4 yr. old Dell laptop ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: And so it begins.... In earnest From: Mark Roberts Thanks Gary! You've always been so encouraging! FINALLY after so many months/years of wanting to build and not being able to due to finances, I can officially begin. I had to scratch the building itch by planning and drawing but now I can start making saw dust. The shop I worked with for the year plus of unemployment stocks sitka, verticle grain, and I have put money on account with him. He has some particle board blocking the rack where the spruce is, or I'd already been making little wood chips. Patience is an attribute, but I ain't got none left! See ya in a couple of weeks... Mark On May 21, 2011 7:09 AM, "Gboothe5" wrote: ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... From: Mark Roberts Hi All: Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality with memory farts. Not a good combo. I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better to skin the sides on the bench? Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but thought I'd check... I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. Thanks for the advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:40 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Mark, Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work that you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can put the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together. The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sure how others did it, but here's how I did mine: 1) Mark a centerline on your work table 2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table that are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilot seat 3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail post. Affix a block of wood to hold it. 4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the line and cut it. 5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the end. That was just my way.there may be an easier method. I would be interested to hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot seat juuust a bit. Good luck, Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Hi All: Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality with memory farts. Not a good combo. I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better to skin the sides on the bench? Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but thought I'd check... I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. Thanks for the advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... From: Mark Roberts Thanks Gary, that'll be the way I'll do it as well. I have the Tables set up, so doing what you suggeted will be easier before I start connecting the stingers together. I think how you describe it is a logical process... I finally decided to fit my big fat butt (however, lost 15 lbs in the last 3 months... Flu does that to ya!) I am widening the fuse to 28" firewall to the pilot seat back, dropped the fuse bottom 2" at the pilot seat, moved th e seat back 2" at the top of the pilot's seat back, and extended the nose 2" at the firewall to balance (and to prevent the added lead I keep hearing about with some builds... I am already pilot-tail heavier than most) Nothing I am doing should effect overall design strength. I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 (as Harry told me to call it when I spoke to him on the phone....I kept calling it 'the 613.5' and he kept correcting me...), and I have toyed with adding a bay to each tip with a strut extension out one bay to keep the strength in, but I am not sure yet. I don't know if the Riblett airfoil will be enough to compensate for 100 Plus summer days. I want to build in more lift, and Harry said the GA-30-613.5 would be the best choice .. Anyway, loads of fun to finally start. I really appreciate all of your help and moreal support over the last year! I think I owe ya dinner when you come to town next! Now that I have a job again i can actually afford to take ya :o) Mark On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > Mark, > > > Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work tha t > you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can pu t > the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together. > > > The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sur e > how others did it, but here=92s how I did mine: > > > 1) Mark a centerline on your work table > > 2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table > that are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilo t > seat > > 3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail > post. Affix a block of wood to hold it. > > 4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the > line and cut it. > > 5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the > end. > > > That was just my way=85there may be an easier method. I would be interest ed > to hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot se at > juuust a bit=85 > > > Good luck, > > Gary > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Roberts > *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... > > > Hi All: > > Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality > with memory farts. Not a good combo. > > I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining > together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joini ng > and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or bet ter > to skin the sides on the bench? > > Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" o r > install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but > thought I'd check... > > I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the > floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics > seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. > > Thanks for the advice! > > Mark > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:35 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Mark, I'll hold you to that dinner date! As for extra wing-span, maybe Jack Phillips could jump in. I think he built a wider center section, giving him the extra length.but don't remember for sure. You may be looking at an O290 or a the ever-crowd-pleasing Corvair, and may want some more fuel. A larger center section would help with that. I remember starting on my fuse.Happy Days! Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Thanks Gary, that'll be the way I'll do it as well. I have the Tables set up, so doing what you suggeted will be easier before I start connecting the stingers together. I think how you describe it is a logical process... I finally decided to fit my big fat butt (however, lost 15 lbs in the last 3 months... Flu does that to ya!) I am widening the fuse to 28" firewall to the pilot seat back, dropped the fuse bottom 2" at the pilot seat, moved the seat back 2" at the top of the pilot's seat back, and extended the nose 2" at the firewall to balance (and to prevent the added lead I keep hearing about with some builds... I am already pilot-tail heavier than most) Nothing I am doing should effect overall design strength. I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 (as Harry told me to call it when I spoke to him on the phone....I kept calling it 'the 613.5' and he kept correcting me...), and I have toyed with adding a bay to each tip with a strut extension out one bay to keep the strength in, but I am not sure yet. I don't know if the Riblett airfoil will be enough to compensate for 100 Plus summer days. I want to build in more lift, and Harry said the GA-30-613.5 would be the best choice. Anyway, loads of fun to finally start. I really appreciate all of your help and moreal support over the last year! I think I owe ya dinner when you come to town next! Now that I have a job again i can actually afford to take ya :o) Mark On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: Mark, Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work that you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can put the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together. The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sure how others did it, but here's how I did mine: 1) Mark a centerline on your work table 2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table that are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilot seat 3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail post. Affix a block of wood to hold it. 4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the line and cut it. 5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the end. That was just my way.there may be an easier method. I would be interested to hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot seat juuust a bit. Good luck, Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Hi All: Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality with memory farts. Not a good combo. I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better to skin the sides on the bench? Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but thought I'd check... I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. Thanks for the advice! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:35 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:07 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! Larry "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? From: helspersew@aol.com Larry, You dope. The rapture did indeed ocurr.......but you, poor soul are still h ere!!!! Do I have to fill-in the blanks?? do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the me antime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! Larry "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capi tal punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:07 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Looking great! Although I think I may have to come over and replace that wi th some yuengling! Looking forward to more pics, and good luck getting the rest moved in! Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "amsafetyc@aol.com" wrote: > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > <2011-05-21_16-31-35_878.jpg> > <2011-05-21_16-31-22_288.jpg> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar From: Ryan Mueller Ye who lives on the east coast....and you go with a case of MGD vice a case of Yuengling....hmmm.... do not archive On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:22 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? Apparently so are WE Dan. Oh, well. KIp Gardner On May 21, 2011, at 7:22 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Larry, > > You dope. The rapture did indeed ocurr.......but you, poor soul are > still here!!!! Do I have to fill-in the blanks?? > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Williams > To: Pietlist > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:12 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? > > It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't > happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? > > I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. > Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes > to pass. In the meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's > flying weather"! > > Larry > > "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should > be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the > safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve > itself?" 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Although I think I may have to come over and replace > that with some yuengling! > > Looking forward to more pics, and good luck getting the rest moved in! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "amsafetyc@aol.com" > wrote: > >> Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! >> >> John >> >> Do not archive >> >> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> <2011-05-21_16-31-35_878.jpg> >> <2011-05-21_16-31-22_288.jpg> > > > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:25 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? Hell! I got *my* rapture! I went flying in my Piet, today. do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 21, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happe n here........or maybe I just missed it????? > > I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'l l just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the me antime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! > > Larry > > "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be cap ital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels o ff of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:51 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hangar That looks like what I would call deadbeets Archive for all you're worth! Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 6:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:43 PM PST US From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? My son decided to check out early to avoid the rapture rush.....Maybe he should have waited.......--- On Sat, 5/21/11, Lawrence Williams wrote: From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! Larry "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar From: Ryan Mueller Hence my point, hippy dippy Kippy ( ;-P )...he's in PA...should be kicking back with a case of Yuengling and some Gelato Di Babbo! do not archive On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > For some strange and terrible reason, Yeungling cannot be sold in Ohio. We > have to go to PA if we want it. > > Do Not Archive. > > Kip G. > > On May 21, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Matthew VanDervort wrote: > > Looking great! Although I think I may have to come over and replace that > with some yuengling! > > Looking forward to more pics, and good luck getting the rest moved in! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "amsafetyc@aol.com" > wrote: > > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > <2011-05-21_16-31-35_878.jpg> > > <2011-05-21_16-31-22_288.jpg> > > * > > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="3D"http://forums.matronics.com"">http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > 3D============================================ > > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:56 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Had the gelato fresh out of the machine. The Yeungling flavor has changed tasts watered down last case I bought so back to the old standard beets Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 01:03:54 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Hence my point, hippy dippy Kippy ( ;-P )...he's in PA...should be kicking back with a case of Yuengling and some Gelato Di Babbo! do not archive On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > For some strange and terrible reason, Yeungling cannot be sold in Ohio. We > have to go to PA if we want it. > > Do Not Archive. > > Kip G. > > On May 21, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Matthew VanDervort wrote: > > Looking great! Although I think I may have to come over and replace that > with some yuengling! > > Looking forward to more pics, and good luck getting the rest moved in! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "amsafetyc@aol.com" > wrote: > > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > <2011-05-21_16-31-35_878.jpg> > > <2011-05-21_16-31-22_288.jpg> > > * > > > 3D========================= ============== > 3D==== > href="3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > 3D========================= ============== > 3D==== > href="3D"http://forums.matronics.com"">http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D========================= ==== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? From: Rick Holland Yup, 5 months of hell on earth for the rest of us, wonder if I can get my 40 hours flown off before we all go to hell. On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM, wrote: > Larry, > > You dope. The rapture *did* indeed ocurr.......but you, poor soul are > still here!!!! Do I have to fill-in the blanks?? > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Williams > To: Pietlist > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:12 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? > > It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't > happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? > > I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll > just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the > meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! > > Larry > > "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be > capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety > labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:19 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar It's better on tap Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 23:40:45 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Ye who lives on the east coast....and you go with a case of MGD vice a case of Yuengling....hmmm.... do not archive On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:55 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar I always wanted my own kegerstor. Let's build one together John Till then its mgd. A case or 2 of shiner would be just the ticket Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Matthew VanDervort Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 23:31:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Looking great! Although I think I may have to come over and replace that with some yuengling! Looking forward to more pics, and good luck getting the rest moved in! Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "amsafetyc@aol.com" wrote: > Well all moved into my hangar now, break time! > > John > > Do not archive > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > <2011-05-21_16-31-35_878.jpg> > <2011-05-21_16-31-22_288.jpg> ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:16 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... I am not skinning till much later in the process. Skinning in my never to be humble opinion reduces your access to many areas. Skin after contols and instruments are installed and checked. Much easier and less complicated than removing the skin to make a correction John Do not archive Less Yawanna Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 17:07:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Hi All: Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality with memory farts. Not a good combo. I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better to skin the sides on the bench? Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but thought I'd check... I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. Thanks for the advice! Mark ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:29 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Shiner isn't too bad, and a kegorator sounds just like the ticket!! I'd mak e the drive to PA to stick my fridge! Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2011, at 10:23 PM, "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" wr ote: > I always wanted my own kegerstor. Let's build one together > > John > > Till then its mgd. A case or 2 of shiner would be just the ticket > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: Matthew VanDervort > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 23:31:14 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar > > Looking great! 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Sorry boys, doomsday has been put on hold. The trumpet players union went on strike. Apparently the Powers-That-Be cut off their supply of something called Yeungling?? Clif Never underestimate the ability of complete fools to defeat the completely foolproof safety devises. From: Rick Holland Yup, 5 months of hell on earth for the rest of us, wonder if I can get my 40 hours flown off before we all go to hell. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:38 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? Devine intervention,organized labor and better living through chemistry. Make the wheels on the bus go round and round. Do not archive Les Yawanna Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 03:06:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? Sorry boys, doomsday has been put on hold. The trumpet players union went on strike. Apparently the Powers-That-Be cut off their supply of something called Yeungling?? Clif Never underestimate the ability of complete fools to defeat the completely foolproof safety devises. From: Rick Holland Yup, 5 months of hell on earth for the rest of us, wonder if I can get my 40 hours flown off before we all go to hell. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:10 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? Never underestimate the powers of spiritus fermenti! Do not archive Les Yawanna Yeungling Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 03:03:44 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? Sorry boys, doomsday has been put on hold. The trumpet players union went on strike. Apparently the Powers-That-Be cut off their supply of something called Yeungling?? Clif Never underestimate the ability of complete fools to defeat the completely foolproof safety devises. From: Rick Holland Yup, 5 months of hell on earth for the rest of us, wonder if I can get my 40 hours flown off before we all go to hell. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar From: "K5YAC" Giddy up! do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340566#340566 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... From: Mark Roberts Thanks guys! Skinnin' after the bulk of the fuse is done. I was thinking of that, and just needed to be re-assured. Many thanks. Mark On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Amsafetyc@gmail.com wrote: > I am not skinning till much later in the process. Skinning in my never to > be humble opinion reduces your access to many areas. Skin after contols and > instruments are installed and checked. Much easier and less complicated than > removing the skin to make a correction > > John > > Do not archive > > Less Yawanna > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -----Original message----- > > *From: *Mark Roberts * > To: *pietenpol-list * > Sent: *Sat, May 21, 2011 17:07:55 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... > > Hi All: > > Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality > with memory farts. Not a good combo. > > I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining > together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining > and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better > to skin the sides on the bench? > > Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or > install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but > thought I'd check... > > I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the > floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics > seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. > > Thanks for the advice! > > Mark > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: What are ya using to log your build? From: Mark Roberts Funny how I have had a year and a half to ask questions, but one the actual rubber meets the road and the wood chips start flyin', I get questions. What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. I have seen www.mywoodenairplane.com and the guy building that plane is a programmer and wrote the code for himself, so, not for sale....but I like his site. I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. Any and all options appreciated! Mark ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What are ya using to log your build? From: "Billy McCaskill" You can always send the pictures to Chris Tracy and have them put up on www.westcoastpiet.com like many of the other guys on the list have done. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340570#340570 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: final good-bye From: "aerocarjake" Well I didn't work on my Piet today but got to fly backseat in a T-6 flying a three-ship formation for about a half hour....... not a bad final day on earth (ha.!) Hope the rest of you enjoyed.your last day...... If the world is still here tomorrow I plan to work on my passenger door........ 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