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1. 02:48 AM - Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (bubbleboy)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: first time on list (Jack)
3. 03:56 AM - Dihedral vs. crosswind (John Franklin)
4. 04:28 AM - Re: ping pong balls? (jarheadpilot82)
5. 04:32 AM - Welcome Bob!! (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 04:32 AM - Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (Jack Phillips)
7. 04:43 AM - Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (jarheadpilot82)
8. 05:00 AM - first time on list (Lawrence Williams)
9. 05:02 AM - Re: first time on list (Gene Rambo)
10. 05:16 AM - Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (jarheadpilot82)
11. 05:31 AM - Re: first time on list (airlion)
12. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (Jack Phillips)
13. 06:17 AM - Re: first time on list (Jack Phillips)
14. 06:20 AM - Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise? (Michael Perez)
15. 06:25 AM - Fw: Copper Wire for all my Texas buddies off topic mportant historical find (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 06:31 AM - Re: first time on list (airlion)
17. 06:35 AM - Ryan and Jack (K5YAC)
18. 06:47 AM - Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (jarheadpilot82)
19. 07:14 AM - Re: first time on list (Gboothe5)
20. 07:22 AM - Re: first time on list (Jack Phillips)
21. 07:24 AM - Re: first time on list (Jack Phillips)
22. 07:34 AM - one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
23. 08:06 AM - Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol (Michael Perez)
24. 08:14 AM - Re: Ryan and Jack (Bill Church)
25. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (Gboothe5)
26. 08:29 AM - Re: first time on list (airlion)
27. 08:33 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (Jim Markle)
28. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! (Jim Boyer)
29. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! (Jim Boyer)
30. 08:44 AM - Re: first time on list (Jim Boyer)
31. 08:46 AM - Re: first time on list (Jim Boyer)
32. 09:31 AM - Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (Bill Church)
33. 09:39 AM - Re: first time on list (Jack Phillips)
34. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind (Jack Phillips)
35. 10:05 AM - Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol (K5YAC)
36. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: first time on list (Jack)
37. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: first time on list (Jack Phillips)
38. 10:31 AM - Trailing edge treatment (helspersew@aol.com)
39. 11:11 AM - Re: Trailing edge treatment (K5YAC)
40. 11:21 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (Ray Krause)
41. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Trailing edge treatment (helspersew@aol.com)
42. 12:11 PM - Re: first time on list (kevinpurtee)
43. 12:12 PM - Re: Trailing edge treatment (kevinpurtee)
44. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: first time on list (Gboothe5)
45. 01:24 PM - Re: first time on list (K5YAC)
46. 03:38 PM - Snapfish album (Woodflier@aol.com)
47. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! (helspersew@aol.com)
48. 04:30 PM - Re: Snapfish album (Scott Knowlton)
49. 06:27 PM - R/C Piet Kit For Sale (not mine) (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
50. 10:36 PM - First Cuts... (Mark Roberts)
51. 11:37 PM - Re: First Cuts... (Billy McCaskill)
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Subject: | Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice new Buchanan
spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked one of the
guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied we certainly do!
We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird planes" (Their words).
Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he instantly says
"Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was.
We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout built in
1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the engine was freshened
up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he obtained it, it
hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac store. He acquired it
with the plan to do a complete restoration one day. He said time has not allowed
him to start this yet but each week he goes out and uncovers it and turns the
prop over by hand to keep the engine turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic so
I hope he has lubed the inside of it.
Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have a look
so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here.
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
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Subject: | first time on list |
Welcome Bob, this is a great group. If you would like to be included in the
Piet Directory fill out the attached Excel file and return to me. I will
then send you the populated listing. We have 100 plus listings with some
recent updates. I will be sending out a updated listing next week to all on
the list.
Welcome
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Edson
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
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Subject: | Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Pieter's,
>From my understanding of aerodynamics, dihedral adds some stability to the roll
control of an airplane. My question is, does the dihedral help or hinder a
Piet during crosswind landings?
I'm building a 3-piece wing and was planning on maybe one degree of dihedral but
wanted to get opinions on the crosswind effect.
Thanks,
John F.
Richmond soon to be 4TA0 Prairie Aire, TX
GN-1/Corvair
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Subject: | Re: ping pong balls? |
Dan,
That was indeed a beautiful airplane. I looked at it and wondered how those airfoils
on the wing struts would do on a Pietenpol. Just thinkin'...
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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Welcome Bob!!
My hat's off to you and can't wait to follow your progress!!!
Douwe
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Subject: | Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Neither. I've got a slight amount of dihedral in mine and can't tell it has
any effect at all.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Franklin
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Pieter's,
>From my understanding of aerodynamics, dihedral adds some stability to the
roll control of an airplane. My question is, does the dihedral help or
hinder a Piet during crosswind landings?
I'm building a 3-piece wing and was planning on maybe one degree of dihedral
but wanted to get opinions on the crosswind effect.
Thanks,
John F.
Richmond soon to be 4TA0 Prairie Aire, TX
GN-1/Corvair
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
I am just wondering, why one degree? Why not two or three? I guess my point is
be careful making aerodynamic changes using the TLAR method (That Looks About
Right).
I am no aerodynamicist, so your idea may be great one. But be careful. One thought
- Mark Roberts contacted Harry Riblett and as I understand it, Harry was very
gracious in answering questions. Maybe you could speak with Harry and get
his thoughts on the use of dihedral in the wing.
Let us know what you find out- your idea might be a really good one that we all
should think about.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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Subject: | first time on list |
Bob-
Branson isn't too far from Little Rock so if you ever find yourself in the
central Arkansas area, stop by. I haven't found many Pietenpolers in the area so
a little like-minded socialising would be nice. If you fly in I'm at 1AR9. We
have two grass runways and a guest apartment in the hangar. C'mon down!
Larry W.
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Subject: | first time on list |
Jack=2C I was finally able to download and fill out the directory. Please
add me to the list.
Gene Rambo
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From: jack@textors.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Welcome Bob=2C this is a great group. If you would like to be included in
the Piet Directory fill out the attached Excel file and return to me. I wi
ll then send you the populated listing. We have 100 plus listings with som
e recent updates. I will be sending out a updated listing next week to all
on the list.
Welcome
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson
Sent: Tuesday=2C May 24=2C 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. sp
oked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished t
he cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Havi
ng a great time--got started a little later than most people =2C I'm 76 yea
rs old.
Bob Edson http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.m
atronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it first.
So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter-
1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing?
2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted?
It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert, if for
nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the dihedral has
little benefit.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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Subject: | Re: first time on list |
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting
to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems
like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds
to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
________________________________
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010
and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked
wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl
and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it
finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great
time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old.
Bob Edson
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Dihedral is not very important or useful for a Pietenpol. The reason is
that parasol wing monoplanes exhibit what is called the "Pendulum
Effect",
because the vertical center of gravity is below the plane of the wing,
causing the same righting moments as dihedral is supposed to accomplish.
This is why you see much less dihedral used in high wing cabin
monoplanes
that in low wing aircraft. Parasol wing aircraft have an even stronger
pendulum effect than high wing cabin jobs, since their CG is lower
without
the weight of all that cabin structure so high. Does that make sense?
Most people that add dihedral to a Pietenpol do it to counter the
supposed
"droop" look that a straight wing has. I myself added 1/2" dihedral
(0.16=B0) per side to mine to avoid this, before realizing that this
effect is
not apparent when looking at airplanes in the flesh, but shows up in
photographs when short focal length (wide angle) lenses are used.
Look at some one piece wing Pietenpols such as Dan Helsper's at Brodhead
in
56 days and you will see what I mean.
Dihedral is not needed for stability purposes for Pietenpols, and to get
any
more stability would require such a steep angle as to look funny.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it
first. So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter-
1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing?
2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted?
It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert,
if
for nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the
dihedral has little benefit.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
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Subject: | Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise? |
Thanks to you all. From what I have gathered so far, may plan is as follows
:
Level fuse. in all planes. (no pun intended) Install and square/plum CS to
fuse. I figure, after consulting with Mr. Cuy, using a 2" aft rake on the c
abanes. Hand tighten the drag cables on the wing and fit wing to fuse. Dial
in wing, (straight, dihedral, wash out...not sure on these yet)- tighten
drag cables, make/fit wing struts.
That is the basic plan, lots to do prior to all the above. Waiting on the r
ain to stop so I can move cars around and move fuselage into garage.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Fwd: Copper Wire for all my Texas buddies off topic mportant |
historical find
Sorry guys but with all this talk about moving to Texas I thought I should
share this rather off topic bit of Texas information, It is off topic so I
will apologize in advance for what I am about to post as it is an integral
part of Texas history.
TEXAS PROUD
After having dug to a depth of 100 feet last year, New York scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the conclusion
that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years
ago.
Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, a California archaeologist dug to a
depth of 200 feet and shortly after, a story in the LA Times read:
"California archaeologists' discovery of 200 year old copper wire, have concluded
that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications
network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers."
One week later, A local newspaper in Texas reported the following:
"After digging as deep as 300 feet in his pasture near Lubbock , TX ,
Bubba, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely
nothing. Bubba has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Texas had already
gone wireless."
Just makes you proud to live in (or be from) Texas , doesn't it?
Do not archive
Les you live in Texas!
____________________________________
From: innk60@yahoo.com
Sent: 5/24/2011 4:03:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Copper Wire
TEXAS PROUD
After having dug to a depth of 100 feet last year, New York scientists
found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the conclusion
that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years
ago.
Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, a California archaeologist dug to a
depth of 200 feet and shortly after, a story in the LA Times read:
"California archaeologists' discovery of 200 year old copper wire, have concluded
that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications
network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers."
One week later, A local newspaper in Texas reported the following:
"After digging as deep as 300 feet in his pasture near Lubbock , TX ,
Bubba, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely
nothing. Bubba has therefore concluded that 300 years ago, Texas had already
gone wireless."
Just makes you proud to live in (or be from) Texas , doesn't it?
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Subject: | Re: first time on list |
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all t
he =0Afittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPIN
G OUT. =0ACheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron
ics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:
first time on list=0A=0A =0AGardiner,=0A =0AYou won=99t have to wait
so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered =0Aenough spruce,
plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my =0Ahouse. I
=99ve pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood get
s =0Ahere I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished be
fore =0ABrodhead and can ship them to you (I don=99t think a stack of
5=99 long ribs will =0Afit in your Cessna 140 =93 I used to ha
ve a 140 and its cabin is only 35=9D wide).=0A =0AYou are too valuabl
e to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the =0Aair.=0A =0A
Jack Phillips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain
Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-p
ietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first ti
me on list=0A =0AYou are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come n
ov. and I am starting =0Ato rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got l
ots to do. Keep at it. Seems =0Alike you are building faster than I did at
5 years and it took only 15 seconds =0Ato tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Maso
n=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Robert S. Edson <rob
ertse@centurytel.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 2
4, 2011 9:10:53 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0AMy name
is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August =0A201
0 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoke
d =0Awheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished t
he cowl =0Aand I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope
to have it =0Afinished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Rible
t. Having a great =0Atime--got started a little later than most people , I'
===== =0A
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I don't think this deserves to be buried in another unrelated thread. One of the
many (but also one of the finest) examples of camaraderie I've seen on this
list. You guys really are something else.
Speaking of Gardiner's Piet... it made the papers again. This time in Sport Aviation.
Something to do with tie downs, but I haven't read the article yet.
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Gardiner,
>
> You wont have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered
enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house.
Ive pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here
I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead
and can ship them to you (I dont think a stack of 5 long ribs will fit in
your Cessna 140 I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35 wide).
>
> You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the
air.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP Icarus Plummet
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Jack,
Great explanation! Your discussion about parasol wing makes perfect sense. Thanks
for the input.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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Subject: | first time on list |
Jack,
I'd offer to help, but poor Gardiner wouldn't get his ribs for another 3
years!
You & Ryan..I don't know what to say.just proud to know you!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
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Subject: | first time on list |
Gardiner,
What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want?
Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden
trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you
wish with them when you get the ribs?
I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would
definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under
fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges
- those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too
easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at
the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all
the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING
OUT. Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
http://======================
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Subject: | first time on list |
We can just have a little Mutual Admiration Society party at Brodhead.
Actually, Gary you started it when you sent me that piece of streamline
tubing to use on my RV-10 (it fits perfectly, by the way). This is what
this group is all about, helping each other. And this is what sets
Pietenpol People apart from all the other groups on the 'net.
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Jack,
I'd offer to help, but poor Gardiner wouldn't get his ribs for another 3
years!
You & Ryan..I don't know what to say.just proud to know you!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol |
[cid:image007.jpg@01CC1AC7.02046BC0] [cid:image008.png@01CC1AC7.02046B
C0]
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Subject: | Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol |
Another...
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jack |
What a team!
Knowing both of these gentlemen quite well, I have to comment on how out of character
this is for both of them.
... just kidding. :)
I'm not really surprised at all.
Nice move gents.
BC
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Jack said it all, but I thought I would share this interesting picture I
took at Brodhead =9209. I believe it=92s the Piet Rob Bach was flying,
and not
sure he still has it..
Rob Bach - 3, Dihedral.jpg
Now=85that=92s some dihedral!!!
Gary
Still in Cool
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:01 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Dihedral is not very important or useful for a Pietenpol. The reason is
that parasol wing monoplanes exhibit what is called the "Pendulum
Effect",
because the vertical center of gravity is below the plane of the wing,
causing the same righting moments as dihedral is supposed to accomplish.
This is why you see much less dihedral used in high wing cabin
monoplanes
that in low wing aircraft. Parasol wing aircraft have an even stronger
pendulum effect than high wing cabin jobs, since their CG is lower
without
the weight of all that cabin structure so high. Does that make sense?
Most people that add dihedral to a Pietenpol do it to counter the
supposed
"droop" look that a straight wing has. I myself added 1/2" dihedral
(0.16=B0) per side to mine to avoid this, before realizing that this
effect is
not apparent when looking at airplanes in the flesh, but shows up in
photographs when short focal length (wide angle) lenses are used.
Look at some one piece wing Pietenpols such as Dan Helsper's at Brodhead
in
56 days and you will see what I mean.
Dihedral is not needed for stability purposes for Pietenpols, and to get
any
more stability would require such a steep angle as to look funny.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it
first. So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter-
1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing?
2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted?
It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert,
if
for nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the
dihedral has little benefit.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum o
ne =0Adid the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thank
s, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phi
llips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: W
ed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on l
ist=0A=0A =0AGardiner,=0A =0AWhat kind of treatment to the trailing edge ti
ps of the ribs do you want? Do =0Ayou want them cut off square, or a step
included to attach a wooden trailing =0Aedge? Or should I just bring them
to a point and let you do as you wish with =0Athem when you get the ribs?
=0A =0AI used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would d
efinitely =0ANOT do that again =93 it is too hard to keep it from cre
eping under fabric tension =0A(look at the little puckers at each rib on my
trailing edges =93 those puckers =0Awere not there when I first cove
red it), and it is too easily damaged when an =0Aidiot walks into it, as ha
ppened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I =0Ajust hope it hurt
him as much as it hurt my airplane.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP
=9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.
com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airl
ion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0A =0AThanks Jack. I
am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the =0Afittings.
I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. =0ACheer
s, Gardiner=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phill
ips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed
, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
=0AGardiner,=0A =0AYou won=99t have to wait so long for your ribs. R
yan Mueller last night ordered =0Aenough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a
set of ribs and had it sent to my =0Ahouse. I=99ve pulled my old ri
b jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets =0Ahere I will start build
ing your ribs. I hope to have them finished before =0ABrodhead and can shi
p them to you (I don=99t think a stack of 5=99 long ribs will
=0Afit in your Cessna 140 =93 I used to have a 140 and its cabin is o
nly 35=9D wide).=0A =0AYou are too valuable to this list to allow you
to not get your Piet back in the =0Aair.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP
=9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A_
_______________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matr
onics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf O
f airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0A =0AYou are a
real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting =0At
o rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. See
ms =0Alike you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 1
5 seconds =0Ato tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A =0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A =0AFrom:Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>=0ATo
: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM=0ASubje
ct: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0AMy name is Bob Edson and I live in
Branson Mo. I started my piet in August =0A2010 and have all the frame c
ompleted and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked =0Awheels. The engine is
an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl =0Aand I'm instal
ling the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it =0Afinished by
winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great =0Atime-
-got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old.=0ABob Edso
n=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://================
========0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P
ietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/cont
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
WOW!! What a find. Please be sure to take some pictures.....
That's neat.
-----Original Message-----
>From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>Sent: May 25, 2011 2:45 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
>
>
>Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice new Buchanan
spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked one of the
guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied we certainly
do! We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird planes" (Their
words).
>
>Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he instantly says
"Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was.
>
>We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout built in
1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the engine was
freshened up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he obtained it, it
hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac store. He acquired it
with the plan to do a complete restoration one day. He said time has not allowed
him to start this yet but each week he goes out and uncovers it and turns
the prop over by hand to keep the engine turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic
so I hope he has lubed the inside of it.
>
>Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have a look
so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here.
>
>Scotty
>
>--------
>Scotty
>
>Tamworth, Australia
>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
>www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340897#340897
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! |
Ryan you and Jesse are just kids; lots of time yet for Piet flying and stuff!
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! |
Hi Gary,
Yes we are; thanks,
Jim
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Subject: | Re: first time on list |
Jack you and Ryan are fantastic people and show what a great group the Pietenpolers
are!
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | Re: first time on list |
Hi Gardiner;
Arlene and I will be at Brodhead with our motor home again; looking forward to
seeing you again and meeting Susan.
cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Just for reference, one degree of dihedral translates to about 3 inches at the
wingtip (Assuming that dihedral angle is the upward angle from horizontal of the
wings) . Two degrees would be almost double that, and three degrees almost
triple that amount (just under NINE inches). Based on eyeball guesstimation, the
Piet in the photo that Gary posted appears to have about one degree of dihedral
Aside from the effects on flight characteristics, a Piet with three degrees of
dihedral would tend to look like an old free-flight model. Not so sure that would
be a desired look for a full-size aircraft
Bill C.
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Subject: | first time on list |
If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I
would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably
make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can
then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That
might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various
techniques used.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum
one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks,
Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want?
Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden
trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you
wish with them when you get the ribs?
I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would
definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under
fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges
- those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too
easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at
the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all
the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING
OUT. Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
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Subject: | Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind |
Might look something like this:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Just for reference, one degree of dihedral translates to about 3 inches at
the wingtip (Assuming that dihedral angle is the upward angle from
horizontal of the wings) . Two degrees would be almost double that, and
three degrees almost triple that amount (just under NINE inches). Based on
eyeball guesstimation, the Piet in the photo that Gary posted appears to
have about one degree of dihedral
Aside from the effects on flight characteristics, a Piet with three degrees
of dihedral would tend to look like an old free-flight model. Not so sure
that would be a desired look for a full-size aircraft
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol |
I used Mike's technique... fairly straightforward and I was able to achieve good
results. Thanks Mike!
I purchased two 14' long white pine handrails from Home Depot and ripped them as
Mike shows in his drawing.
The bottom of the LE rounds our nicely with the bottom of the ribs.
The top of the LE overlaps the top of the ribs ~1/16"... perfect for fitting LE
sheeting.
Here is something to think about... I had to install backing strips in order to
provide a surface to attach the LE sheet. I just used short lengths of 1/4"
x 1/4" bass wood. Markle has a pretty good method for providing LE attaching
surface, but it requires a bit more work on the table saw.
I also used a simple white pine base board and cut it the way Mike illustrates.
This was pretty simple to do. I used wide tongue depressors for gussets...
tapered on both ends.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | first time on list |
This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I
have. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of
the rib with a 1/8" blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to join.
Jack
DSM
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I
would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably
make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can
then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That
might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various
techniques used.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum
one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks,
Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want?
Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden
trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you
wish with them when you get the ribs?
I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would
definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under
fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges
- those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too
easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at
the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all
the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING
OUT. Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
_____
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
Bob Edson
http://======================
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http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/contribution============
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That looks very nice, Jack.
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I
have. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of
the rib with a 1/8" blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to join.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I
would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably
make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can
then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That
might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various
techniques used.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum
one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks,
Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want?
Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden
trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you
wish with them when you get the ribs?
I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would
definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under
fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges
- those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too
easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at
the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all
the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING
OUT. Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
Gardiner,
You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night
ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it
sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as
the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them
finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of
5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its
cabin is only 35" wide).
You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in
the air.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am
starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at
it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took
only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
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Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August
2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in.
spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished
the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to
have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet.
Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76
years old.
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Subject: | Trailing edge treatment |
Jack T.,
This is exactly the way I did it, only I used 3/32 ply I think. Worked very
well.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:11 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list
This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I hav
e. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of the
rib with a 1/8=9D blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to jo
in.
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: Trailing edge treatment |
What? That's not the way Ber-nerd did it!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Scotty,
Sure hope you get some good pictures, since I am trying to build one.
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin
Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 250 hrs., building Sky Scout
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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
> <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice
> new Buchanan spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked
> one of the guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied
> we certainly do! We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird
> planes" (Their words).
>
> Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he
> instantly says "Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was.
>
> We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout
> built in 1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the
> engine was freshened up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he
> obtained it, it hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac
> store. He acquired it with the plan to do a complete restoration one day.
> He said time has not allowed him to start this yet but each week he goes
> out and uncovers it and turns the prop over by hand to keep the engine
> turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic so I hope he has lubed the inside of
> it.
>
> Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have
> a look so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340897#340897
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailing edge treatment |
Darnit! I should have known not to mention anything about this! My image ta
rnished!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 1:11 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailing edge treatment
What? That's not the way Ber-nerd did it!
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Subject: | Re: first time on list |
You know, Gardiner, thank goodness Gary's not doing your wing ribs. He mentioned
it would take 5 years. He didn't mention you'd be missing two when he was
done.
I've said it before: nice Piet people.
do not arcive
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Trailing edge treatment |
He got a waiver.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
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Oh! A COMPLETE set....that would take another year...
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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:09 PM
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<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
You know, Gardiner, thank goodness Gary's not doing your wing ribs. He
mentioned it would take 5 years. He didn't mention you'd be missing two
when he was done.
I've said it before: nice Piet people.
do not arcive
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At least!
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Oh! A COMPLETE set....that would take another year...
>
> Do not archive
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Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, and
several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight.
_http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=49783
5021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/_
(http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835021_497835021
/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/)
36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!!
Matt Paxton
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Subject: | Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers! |
If you knew all the bad stuff, ......I don't think you would be falling in
line :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 8:05 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
Trying to be like you, Dan!
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
Gary,
Congratulations on your airpark lot. I would suspect you will love it. Avia
tion 24/7 especially since you will be retired. Good for you mi amigo!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 7:05 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
You guys are heartless. I could never be so mean. :-/
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
>
You'll like Texas, Gary. It will give you a whole new understanding of the
word
"crosswind". I remember when I moved to Texas after learning to fly in
Tennessee. Until then, I simply wouldn't take my J-3 out of the hangar if
the
wind was blowing more than 20 knots. Once I moved to Texas, I realized tha
t if
I only flew when the winds was less than 20 knots, I would almost never fly
.
Just remember, the reason it is so windy in Texas is, Oklahoma sucks.
Also remember to flush twice since North Carolina is SO far away.....
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Matt=2C
Congrats on getting your beatiful Piet in the air. If your announcement of
your first flight wasn't enough to bolster my building enthusiasm=2C your
group of photos on snapfish of not only some of the build but also those wo
nderful first flights are the source of encouragment all of us worskshop dw
ellers need! Thanks for the shot in the arm. Your workmanship and determi
nation are an inspiration. Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
Ribs and Tail Feathers done
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Snapfish album
Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol=2C a
nd several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight.
http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=4
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Subject: | R/C Piet Kit For Sale (not mine) |
Hello Good People,
I noticed this one on the net this evening, and thought I'd pass it
along. It's not mine, so I can't answer questions, but judging from the
pics it looks like a good buy.
R/C Piet kit for sale:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444980
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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Well, it has REALLY begun now!
With the help of my daughter's boyfriend, I cut one of the boards I have
planed down to thickness into 1.125" strips, then planed them down to 1".
Then, with eager anticipation, I fit te top and bottom stringers into place,
stepped back and realized I have begun to build a REAL airplane, not a
model.
Dang, May 25th 1959 my parents married, and on May 25th 2011, I began to put
stingers into place for my new airplane.
Finally. The dream begins to take shape :o) Yes, it is a little thing, but
the old Proverb of "The Journey of a thousand steps starts with just one"
takes on some personal meaning...
Mark
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Subject: | Re: First Cuts... |
Way to go, Mark! Nothing like seeing actual airplane parts coming to life on your
workbench! Keep it up!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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