---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/29/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: tank sealant (Jack) 2. 05:44 AM - axle fairing photos (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:48 AM - Re: tank sealant (Gene Rambo) 4. 06:02 AM - Markle Palooza (Jim Markle) 5. 06:05 AM - Re: Markle Palooza (Charles Campbell) 6. 06:18 AM - Re: Markle Palooza (Gboothe5) 7. 09:07 AM - Re: Movin on (amsafetyc@aol.com) 8. 03:19 PM - Flew it today (Dangerous Dave) 9. 03:34 PM - Re: Flew it today (Ryan M) 10. 05:37 PM - Re: Flew it today (Dangerous Dave) 11. 06:02 PM - Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Jim Markle) 12. 06:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 06:57 PM - Re: Flew it today (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 07:10 PM - Re: Flew it today (Jerry Dotson) 15. 07:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Jim Boyer) 16. 09:07 PM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Jim Markle) 17. 09:30 PM - Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Jim Markle) 18. 10:44 PM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Gboothe5) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:56 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Douwe here is the new Proseal. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1306669926-510-672 &browse=misc&product=proseal Don't count on brushing. It's more like a thick STICKY peanut butter. I used popsicle sticks. Jack, DSM From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won't leak with fuel under pressure, but. Just to be completely sure, I'm going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I'm wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:34 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle fairing photos Hey Michael, Can you send me some shots of your fairing offline? I can rarely download shots from the list. Congrats John on the big move!! Looks like I'm driving up to Don Emch's place on Monday to pickup the wings he rebuilt for me and storing them in the hangar down here while I finish up the rest. Can't wait to see them and have all the parts in one town again!!! Got my rebuilt engine back from Tom Wottreng and it is gorgeous. Great guy to work with, sent me tons of photos throughout the build and his work seems impeccable. It is so cool to see that beautiful engine on the nose! Now I'm just trying to keep her clean as I do final tweaks on the fiberglass cowling. Every little bit of dust freaks me out. Think the enlarged "moth" style tank is finally leak free so that means I'm now free to get the center section back together, which means I can then get that mounted, which means I can now make the new cross brace cables, which means, which means... Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:02 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Douwe=2C what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive sloshing s ealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am putting in my tan k. If you are only going avgas=2C the aviation sealer works great. I have heard horror stories=2C but have never had any trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first=2C air dry it with compressed a ir=2C and slosh the inside with the sealer. I have cut one of my tanks ope n and you could not scrape the sealer off with a razor blade. Proseal is s o thick=2C I don't think you will be very happy trying to brush it on=2C an d it wil look like hell. Gene From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Hey all=2C My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it wo n=92t leak with fuel under pressure=2C but=85 Just to be completely sure=2C I=92m going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great=2C but I=92m wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:10 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza Well, it was MY pleasure getting to visit the West Coast folks! There's always something special about getting to spend time with good people, especially when I'm traveling somewhere. Getting to see Chris' project with the wings/ailerons so far along....and Gary's with the wings so far along....wow, that was exciting. And as usual, I saw at least one little idea that I am going to use on my project...(and no, I'm not referring to new drill bits!)..... And Gary! He LOVES his tools! Whenever we drive up he's taking pictures of his tools and when we pull out of his driveway he's starts taking MORE pictures of his tools.... Ok, seriously, thanks guys for a couple of very nice evenings....and meals. A good dose of Pietenpol talk with good people (and their families!), a few tall stories AND they fed me.... Priceless. In a message dated 5/28/2011 11:02:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gboothe5@comcast.net writes: A few weeks ago, learning that Jim was going to be in the Sacramento area for a few days, Chris Tracy and I decided that it would be cheaper to entertain him for few nights, rather than be faced with the probability of throwing bail. For two nights in a row we had the pleasure of Jims company, along with fellow Piet builders, Mike Weaver and John McPherson. All things considered, I dont think the price was too high... Allowing that Jim Markle is probably the one individual who has seen more Piets in progress than any other person, I asked him if he had ever seen a project that he had misgivings about. He didnt say too much, but his gaze just moved to the left to my fuselage. Now, why would he have done that......? I dont know if its the Pietenpol that draws Good People together, or if its Good People that decide to build Pietenpols. Either way, and as always, I had two great evenings with fellow builders.... Gary Still in Cool Working on wings ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:13 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:02 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza Charles, ...always interested in what you have to say...but it appears you're using invisible ink... Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:35 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Movin on She had good first night and was ready to welcome me back along with a bunch of walk in visitors all day yesterday. Man she really enjoyed rolling out on her gear and spending her first day out in the sun. It was a good day indeed John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 14:11:36 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Movin on Congratulations, John! Your return to the New Home this morning will be welcomed, I'm sure. Modern metal and composite snobs can be cruel to a wooden relic. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Movin on Well its finally happened its official, NX895JR has made the transition from basement folly "ship in a bottle" to her new home. Last night we slid her through the basement mandoor of her birthplace at 635 South Broad Street Lititz without incident or complication on to my trailer. After a short comfortable 4 mile ride we arrived at Lancaster airport LNS and moved her into her new home 5-5. Last night was her first night there with all those of her own kind, well remote winged relatives Rvs and such. No real family members on field though and none named Piet. Ill be going over soon to see how her first night went , first night with out people around to see how she did. John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flew it today From: "Dangerous Dave" Howdy, flew the Piet today.Still alive.Not exactly what I had expected but it was fun.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341406#341406 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:44 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flew it today Great! Can you elaborate? ________________________________ From: Dangerous Dave Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 6:16:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flew it today Howdy, flew the Piet today.Still alive.Not exactly what I had expected but it was fun.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341406#341406 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flew it today From: "Dangerous Dave" elaboration,=there was a fairly large amount of p effect on takeoff combined with about 7mph direct crosswind from the left.got it straightened out and made it into the air.climbed out at 60-65 to 500 agl,made four left hand laps around the field checking out input response.nothing steep just gentle turns,even at 864 empty it is very light and affected by every little thermal gust or anything,always controllable though,made a couple of right hand circles and no difference,setup on a long approach at 55-60 and got it on the ground,the 7 mph crosswind pushed me to the left pretty easily but we lived.gonna extend my gear forward 5" and put some gap seals on the ailerons.cant give any advice at this point or probably for quite a while.all I can say is there were no excessive inputs required and a littler engine up here would not be a good idea.dave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhAoobvoN10&feature=player_detailpage -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341419#341419 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:57 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:21 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Jim, pretty neat, what glue did you use its not that 12 year set time stuff you been using I hope? Just teasing! It is really good to see ya back on the build again. Please keep up the good work and the progress you're not that far form getting her in the air. They are only happy when their flying. John Do not archive In a message dated 5/29/2011 9:03:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:05 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flew it today Dave Congratulations, great to hear the flight went well. Ya got to love that! So you should have your 40 flown off in time for Brodhead? John Do not archive In a message dated 5/29/2011 6:20:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsornbor@aol.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave" Howdy, flew the Piet today.Still alive.Not exactly what I had expected but it was fun.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341406#341406 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flew it today From: "Jerry Dotson" Congratulations Dave. really a special day. I am envious. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341428#341428 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:54 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Hi Jim, How did you cut the recess in the top of the leading edge for the 1/16" plywood? The trailing edge treatment looks good. Missed seeing all of you at Chris and Garys. thanks, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:08 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:12 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Well Jim we missed you too! Both evenings were great! If you look close at the picture you'll notice the LE material was initially shaped by 4 saw cuts. I just ran a square piece through the table saw a couple times, tilting the blade a bit each time. Then on the last cut I left the angle alone and lowered the blade down to about 1/4" height and moved the material over 1/16". Then made that last cut. Pretty simple and the final shaping is almost done. Hopefully that makes sense. If not, I would be glad to take some pictures.... JM -----Original Message----- From: Jim Boyer Sent: May 29, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Hi Jim, How did you cut the recess in the top of the leading edge for the 1/16" plywood? The trailing edge treatment looks good. Missed seeing all of you at Chris and Garys. thanks, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:06 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Jim, You need to come to California a little more often (I've replaced the drill bits)! Nice to see you back at it... I like your idea of trimming the tongue on the TE...I'll do the same! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. 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