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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (K5YAC)
2. 04:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Bill Church)
3. 05:51 AM - Fw: first flight (Ryan M)
4. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... (Gboothe5)
5. 06:05 AM - Fw: Fw: first flight (Ryan M)
6. 06:08 AM - Re: first flight (skellytown flyer)
7. 07:10 AM - Tongue and groove trailing edge (Gboothe5)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: tank sealant (Charles Campbell)
9. 08:52 AM - Markle Palooza (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 10:24 AM - Re: Markle Palooza (Charles Campbell)
11. 10:49 AM - Re: Movin on (TriScout)
12. 10:55 AM - Re: KLNC vs KLNS (TriScout)
13. 11:25 AM - Plans lookiing for new home (Mark Smith)
14. 12:19 PM - Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 01:48 PM - Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft (Billy McCaskill)
16. 02:23 PM - Re: Tongue and groove trailing edge (K5YAC)
17. 02:24 PM - Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft (Bill Church)
18. 03:21 PM - Re: Markle Palooza (Gboothe5)
19. 05:33 PM - A guy can get used to this own hangar business (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 05:36 PM - Racked & Stacked (Gary Boothe)
21. 05:41 PM - Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business (Gary Boothe)
22. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Movin on (Jim Markle)
23. 06:34 PM - Just wonderin' (Richard Schreiber)
24. 07:27 PM - Re: Just wonderin' (Kip and Beth Gardner)
25. 07:39 PM - Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft (Billy McCaskill)
26. 07:46 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 (Timothy Willis)
27. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 (Jim Markle)
28. 08:37 PM - Re: Racked & Stacked (K5YAC)
29. 08:47 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 (K5YAC)
30. 08:56 PM - Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business (K5YAC)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... |
I attempted to do the tongue in groove method, but my attempt didn't work out so
well... I ended up filling the grooves back in an ripping my TE to fit. Yours
looks nice Jim!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... |
Just looking at the photos of Jim's wing. Looks real good.
Maybe it's just the lighting, but, it looks like a couple of those ribs are made
of poplar. Gary, have you counted your ribs since "the visit"?
BC
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Subject: | Fw: first flight |
Dave-saw your video on the website. glad you did OK. I forget what you're using
for an engine and what verson you built. but I am at 3280ft. elevation here in
the Texas panhandle and the take-off in mine doesn't excite me too much even
with the 100 plus HP ( suposedly) Corvair and about 768# empty weight. th
under-camber wing does fine flying and lands pretty good. I have about 6 flights
on it now and have grounded it till I get the ailerons stiffened up. I am
glueing some stiffeners in them right now but have taken a 2 week job down in
south west Texas so that is on hold for a while. I'll be leaving for Coyanosa
this afternoon.it hit 105 here yesterday with 45 mph winds and lots of
grassfires. so the Texas panhandle has not been a Piet friendly place for a long
time.I am just interested in why you need to move your gear forward? what kind
of empty tail weight did you end up with on your W&B& what kind of engine do
you have? Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... |
Come to think of it...he was eyeballing those VERY closely...
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
Just looking at the photos of Jim's wing. Looks real good.
Maybe it's just the lighting, but, it looks like a couple of those ribs are
made of poplar. Gary, have you counted your ribs since "the visit"?
BC
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Subject: | Fw: first flight |
Sent to me, forwarded for Raymond.
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From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 8:49:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: first flight
Dave-saw your video on the website. glad you did OK. I forget what you're using
for an engine and what verson you built. but I am at 3280ft. elevation here in
the Texas panhandle and the take-off in mine doesn't excite me too much even
with the 100 plus HP ( suposedly) Corvair and about 768# empty weight. th
under-camber wing does fine flying and lands pretty good. I have about 6 flights
on it now and have grounded it till I get the ailerons stiffened up. I am
glueing some stiffeners in them right now but have taken a 2 week job down in
south west Texas so that is on hold for a while. I'll be leaving for Coyanosa
this afternoon.it hit 105 here yesterday with 45 mph winds and lots of
grassfires. so the Texas panhandle has not been a Piet friendly place for a long
time.I am just interested in why you need to move your gear forward? what kind
of empty tail weight did you end up with on your W&B& what kind of engine do
you have? Raymond
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Subject: | Re: first flight |
strange? I addressed that message to Dave and it went to the list? guess it doesn't
matter but seemed odd? guess it's another reason you better not send anything
on the computer you don't want the world to see. Raymond
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Subject: | Tongue and groove trailing edge |
Mark,
I found that the tongue and groove method was difficult, too, and classify
mine as barely acceptable. Chris Tracy's, though, and Jim's, look to be
first class. All things considered...I think I would follow the plans next
time.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
I attempted to do the tongue in groove method, but my attempt didn't work
out so well... I ended up filling the grooves back in an ripping my TE to
fit. Yours looks nice Jim!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: tank sealant |
Gene, where did you get the automotive sloshing sealer? Is it available
most everywhere? What type of construction did you use? Would that
sealer work with a fiberglas tank? Thanks, Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant
Douwe, what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing
sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive
sloshing sealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am
putting in my tank. If you are only going avgas, the aviation sealer
works great. I have heard horror stories, but have never had any
trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first,
air dry it with compressed air, and slosh the inside with the sealer. I
have cut one of my tanks open and you could not scrape the sealer off
with a razor blade. Proseal is so thick, I don't think you will be very
happy trying to brush it on, and it wil look like hell.
Gene
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From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:52 -0400
Hey all,
My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as
it won=92t leak with fuel under pressure, but=85
Just to be completely sure, I=92m going to seal the seams on the
outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on.
A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but
I=92m wondering if that is too thick to brush.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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Speaking of California, I'm sitting in Room 107 of the Econo Lodge
in Fallbrook, California typing this. About halfway to our new home
in Oregon, so far so good. No airplane with me this time though.
Boy was I shocked to see a Tri-Pacer taking off in about 30-35 MPH
gusty winds from an airpark somewhere around Eloy, Arizona yesterday.
In the Piet, I would have been worried about having enough fuel to
return to the field after turning downwind ;o)
The Econo Lodge in Fallbrook is very close to the airport here... I
saw what I thought was a Mooney Mite landing yesterday but it was
probably my eyes deceiving me. And they say that the Fallbrook
airport is sort of like a carrier deck... on a mesa with dropoffs
at both ends.
Jim: all of my tools are still in Texas and the hangar is locked, so
don't bother coming up to visit or hunt for tools until I get everything
moved to Oregon ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Markle Palooza |
I noticed that, too. Don't know what happened. The text just didn't make
it. Don't remember now what I said! Let's see if this one goes through.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza
>
> Charles,
>
> ...always interested in what you have to say...but it appears you're using
> invisible ink...
>
> Gary
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:03 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza
>
>
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Yeah John..
You're welcome to help with the move. I'm in Garland,TX.. Lancaster is only 30
minute drive south of my house. You'll find me in row 860. Larry
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Subject: | Re: KLNC vs KLNS |
heh heh... I was wondering when someone would catch that. It's just southeast of
Dallas. I'm in europe on a trip at the moment..can't wait to move it down there.
Looks like a nice little airport..just wish it were a grass strip, but I'll
take what I can get. Hangar space is scarce in that neck of the woods..
Larry
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Subject: | Plans lookiing for new home |
Hello all=2C
As my life has turned away from aviation=2C I have decided to offer all of
my Pietenpol plans=2C collected literature=2C and audio-visual materials to
the first $300=2C OBO. I'll pay the postage. Send an email to marksmith1
956@hotmail.com and I'll reply with an inventory. I have learned a huge amo
unt about building=2C life=2C and friendship from this list. My best wishe
s to you all.
Mark Smith
Sullivan=2C MO
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Subject: | Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft |
Charles,
I saw both types of tank sealer for sale from ACS.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft |
Although I haven't checked recently, I would presume someplace like J.C. Whitney
Automotive would probably carry slosh-type automotive gas tank sealer. I purchased
some from them about 20 years ago when I was restoring my 1967 Ford Fairlane
500's gas tank. I would be worth a look in one of their catalogs or on
their website to see if they still have it available.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Tongue and groove trailing edge |
Yep, I thought it would serve to make for easy alignment and installation, and
it would have if I were as skilled as Jim is on the table saw. Oh well, I didn't
have to scrap any parts, just modified existing material to fit.
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Subject: | Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft |
Like this maybe:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/gas-tank-sealer-1-quart/p2000794.jcwx?filterid=j1
Phew, that was difficult.
BC
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Oscar,
You need to slow it down a bit! This weekend is the West Coast Piet
Gathering at Frazier Lake, near Gilroy. I'll save you The Seat of Honor!
Spend a few days in SoCal...show Mrs. Oscar a good time. You could go to
Lego Land...
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle Palooza
Speaking of California, I'm sitting in Room 107 of the Econo Lodge
in Fallbrook, California typing this. About halfway to our new home
in Oregon, so far so good. No airplane with me this time though.
Boy was I shocked to see a Tri-Pacer taking off in about 30-35 MPH
gusty winds from an airpark somewhere around Eloy, Arizona yesterday.
In the Piet, I would have been worried about having enough fuel to
return to the field after turning downwind ;o)
The Econo Lodge in Fallbrook is very close to the airport here... I
saw what I thought was a Mooney Mite landing yesterday but it was
probably my eyes deceiving me. And they say that the Fallbrook
airport is sort of like a carrier deck... on a mesa with dropoffs
at both ends.
Jim: all of my tools are still in Texas and the hangar is locked, so
don't bother coming up to visit or hunt for tools until I get everything
moved to Oregon ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | A guy can get used to this own hangar business |
Hangar day three, arrangements made for more company at the hangar. Mr
Brown Earl Brown, (I think its really George Brown for the east coast , new
guy) came over visited and checked it out, came along with a 6er of cold ones
(beets) to share. We consumed the cold ones from the fridge and replaced
with the slightly warmer ones. We sat talked piets he checked out mine, all
piet parts now all in one place and spread out of benches and hanging on the
walls. Holey crap I never realized I had the much stuff done until seeing
it as it is. No more wood shop hobby stuff but a real live airplane. It
seems like a magic transformation from saw dust and sticks in the basement to
an airplane space specifically designed and built to store build and
assemble real airplanes for real airplane folks, hard to imagine the feeling.
I
know ,I'll get used to it and the novelty will wear off but for right now
it feels pretty freakin good
Amazing, just Afreakinamazing
John
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Subject: | Racked & Stacked |
They=99re not quite done, but I made HUGE headway on the wings
this weekend!!
Remembering deceased vets: Grandfather (USN, served in two
WW=99s), USN, father, father-in-law (USMC, Silver Star, Battle of
Tawara), 5 uncles...
Gary
in Cool
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Subject: | Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business |
Sorry, without a picture just can=99t believe it...
Gary
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Les Yagottapicture
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A guy can get used to this own hangar business
Hangar day three, arrangements made for more company at the hangar. Mr
Brown Earl Brown, (I think its really George Brown for the east coast ,
new guy) came over visited and checked it out, came along with a 6er of
cold ones (beets) to share. We consumed the cold ones from the fridge
and replaced with the slightly warmer ones. We sat talked piets he
checked out mine, all piet parts now all in one place and spread out of
benches and hanging on the walls. Holey crap I never realized I had the
much stuff done until seeing it as it is. No more wood shop hobby stuff
but a real live airplane. It seems like a magic transformation from saw
dust and sticks in the basement to an airplane space specifically
designed and built to store build and assemble real airplanes for real
airplane folks, hard to imagine the feeling. I know ,I'll get used to it
and the novelty will wear off but for right now it feels pretty freakin
good
Amazing, just Afreakinamazing
John
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Larry,
If you haven't already, be sure to look up DL Grammont at Lancaster. He bought
a Pietenpol about 7-8 years ago and kept it in the new (then) hangars at the
south end. He was in the next to the last row I think, his hangar faced south.
Also, go by the CAF hangar next time it's open and see if Tom Travis is around.
He lives over in the Farmers Branch area, is active with the CAF and is building
a Pietenpol. And he's a great guy.
Jim in Pryor
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>From: TriScout <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 30, 2011 12:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Movin on
>
>
>Yeah John..
>
>You're welcome to help with the move. I'm in Garland,TX.. Lancaster is only 30
minute drive south of my house. You'll find me in row 860. Larry
>
>
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Is there anyone on the list besides me going to Corvair College 20 in Hillsdale,
Mi? I plan on flying in Friday afternoon in my Tripacer (weather permitting)
and camping on the field. If the weather goes south, I'll just drive.
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Valparaiso, IN
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Subject: | Re: Just wonderin' |
Hi Rick,
I can't go - too much to do on the farm after a too-wet Spring made it
impossible to do anything until this week. However, several guys from
my EAA Chapter, #82 in Alliance, OH will be there. They are KR
builders, but I don't hold that against them :).
Kip Gardner
On May 30, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Richard Schreiber wrote:
>
> Is there anyone on the list besides me going to Corvair College 20
> in Hillsdale, Mi? I plan on flying in Friday afternoon in my
> Tripacer (weather permitting) and camping on the field. If the
> weather goes south, I'll just drive.
>
> do not archive
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
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Subject: | Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft |
Thanks for posting the link to that, Bill. I would have done that, but my wife
was rushing me out of the house earlier to head out to a cookout with some friends
from church. Had to do what I had to do in order to maintain domestic tranquility...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 |
Jim Markle,
For some reason I am not seeing your attached pix of work on Le ply or your
TE wood.
Pls re-send or send me an email directly.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:02:57 PM PST US
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
>
> I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some
> 1/16"
> ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today.
>
> And did a bunch of sanding....
>
> That was fun.....REALLY fun.
>
> I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my
> biscuit
> joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across
> the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue
> into
> the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to
> clean up
> any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib.
> Very
> simple, quick and strong.
>
> Thanks Gary.
>
> Jim in Pryor
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 |
Just sent directly to your personal email address. I added another section of
1/16" LE ply today but won't bore everyone with more pictures.... :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Willis
Sent: May 30, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11
Jim Markle,
For some reason I am not seeing your attached pix of work on Le ply or your TE
wood.
Pls re-send or send me an email directly.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 06:02:57 PM PST US
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16"
ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today.
And did a bunch of sanding....
That was fun.....REALLY fun.
I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit
joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across
the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into
the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up
any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very
simple, quick and strong.
Thanks Gary.
Jim in Pryor
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Subject: | Re: Racked & Stacked |
Mt Great Uncle Tommy Karr was at Tarawa with 3rd Marine Division. Bloody Tarawa...
what a deal that was.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 |
Jim, two days in a row! So glad you found a little time to get in the shop and
work on your project.
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Mark Chouinard
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Subject: | Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business |
Fun to be on the field, right John? The visitors are kind of a break even deal...
most serve to educate and inspire, which also serves to keep the desire to
build ramped up... but the trade off is that those inspiring conversations can,
and often do kill several hours at a whack of perfect building weather... especially
when beets are involved. I'm not complaining, I love visiting with
the guys, but there are times that I open the hangar doors with a plan in mind
and when I leave several hours later, the plan hasn't changed any. LOL!
Oh well, glad you are enjoying your new digs!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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