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1. 06:43 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Hans Van Der Voort)
2. 07:50 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Charles Campbell)
3. 08:40 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jim Boyer)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Racked & Stacked (Jim Boyer)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: Racked & Stacked (Jim Boyer)
6. 09:02 AM - Shes got legs - again (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 09:32 AM - Re: Shes got legs - again (Billy McCaskill)
8. 09:46 AM - Re: Shes got legs - again (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Shes got legs - again (aerocarjake)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Racked & Stacked (Dan Yocum)
11. 11:30 AM - Piet Alternate (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 11:42 AM - Re: Piet Alternate (Matt Wash)
13. 11:56 AM - Re: Piet Alternate (John Hofmann)
14. 12:07 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Gerry Holland)
15. 12:45 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Ryan Mueller)
16. 01:27 PM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (kevinpurtee)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Richard Schreiber)
18. 01:50 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Owen Davies)
19. 02:22 PM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (kevinpurtee)
20. 02:24 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (TOM STINEMETZE)
21. 03:32 PM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jerry Dotson)
22. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Charles Campbell)
23. 03:36 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (dgaldrich)
24. 03:44 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (mike Hardaway)
25. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Gene Rambo)
26. 03:58 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Gene Rambo)
27. 05:46 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (John Hofmann)
28. 05:47 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (mike Hardaway)
29. 06:16 PM - Re: Shes got legs - again (Jack)
30. 06:41 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Owen Davies)
31. 07:43 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Ryan Mueller)
32. 08:49 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (Billy McCaskill)
33. 09:18 PM - Re: Piet Alternate (javier cruz)
34. 10:37 PM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (shad bell)
35. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
36. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Kevin,
Good to hear she is back in the air.
Keep us update on your 5th bearing.
My oil temp has always been in the 200 + range
It hits 220 on extended climb outs
But usually settles around 210.
Nothing really alarming, I just read every where it should be around 185.
Changed cauges last year, thinking it could be the cauge but both read the
same.
Then switched oil cooler bypass valve without effect.
Removed oil cooler (folded fin) this winter and soaked and cleaned it multi
ple times to remove any blockage.
Altough some gunk was removed, oil temps are still in the 200+ range.
All the while CHT's are in the 350 range even on hot 100+ days
And oil pressure is good at 45 Psi.
Oil remains relativly clean, not burned.
Next step would be to remove rear assesory case and check gasket there, oil
cooler could be being bypassed due to faulty gasket.
Then again it could just be the normal oil temparature for hot Texas days.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update
il>
While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. Wit
h the
plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've alread
y
mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the
repairs/changes:
- The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing els
e
changed except for adding the 5th bearing,
- Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice peo
ple
and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't scre
w up
the install! Will know soon enough,
- I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back.
Now
I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not m
uch
oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that.
- I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concern
s
with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pump
s.
Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be i
n
spec, though on the low end.
- I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle wit
h the
previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degr
ee
days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec.
Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds
gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hou
rs.
Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several mont
hs.
Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been
mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafen
ing
silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironicall
y, a
dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence f
or
me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than pro
bably
98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet
people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to
me!
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Axel, glad to hear someone is using stock oil pan. I have been
seriously considering going stock, also. Just wondering if oil
temperature is any problem with the stock pan (less oil volume).
Comments? Chuck
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From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update
Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the
closest pond. Ugh.
Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through
the Texas skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the
Wesemans....I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal
with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last
year or the year before, and they were both very nice people.
Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket?
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust
valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th
bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in
the process of making the repairs/changes:
- The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm.
Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing,
- Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great.
Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm
hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough,
- I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the
back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover
attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that.
- I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the
concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high
volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure
numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end.
- I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good
handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended
climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec.
Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called
for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and
flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for
the past several months.
Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted
or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met
with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet
friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked
a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got
more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list,
that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I
appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me!
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Hey Kevin,
What do you mean by the 5th bearing install was fussey? My install went well except
for the mistake I made in removing the spacers from the hybrid studs too
soon. I had to do the runout setup of the hub twice because of that; and then
I forgot to put the locktite on the three hub screws so had to remove the prop
hub and remove one screw at a time to add locktite.
Clearances are all fine and it really makes the front support of the crank substantial.
Hope to see you at Brodhead.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Racked & Stacked |
Hi Gary,
Not much to update; just got the elevator and rudder horns mounted and hinges ready
to mount. Next is to mount the elevators and rudder on the vert.and horiz.
stabilizers on the fuselage and then am ready to actually make control cables.
have some curtain cord to run to verify where I need pulleys or not for the
rudder and elevator cables in the rear fuselage.
I have the flop cut off from the center section and have to find a 24 inch piano
hinge to mount it.
Making progress slowly.
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Racked & Stacked |
Hi Gary,
Can't tell the ailerons aren't cut out yet from your photos. You have the drag/anti-drag
wires in and everything else; they really look good. I don't think I
will be as far as you are now until this fall after our trip to midwest. Things
seem to take longer than planned; even when you figure on making some things
twice.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Shes got legs - again |
Well, all my cussin' of Ryan Mueller and William Wynne is over as
SpaceShipZero.One is back up on it's feet as can be seen in the attached
photo. Axles now moved significantly forward from the previous photos. I
wheeled it out with the intent of driving it to work this morning but the
darn Corvair wouldn't start. I did hear a couple of distinct VROOM
VROOM's though. Note the big rotors and Honda hydralic brake calipers.
Gotta have a lot of holding power to reign in that mighty Corvair
(eventually.)
I will NOT show you any close ups of my welds or paint job - I have more
pride in what I want my work to look like than that. I did get a little
practice with my new paint sprayer and multi-part Poly Fiber metal primer.
(and obviously need a lot more practice) On good advice all my new metal
parts will be primed white as this will make the final color coats match
the fabric areas better.
Life is good!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: Shes got legs - again |
I don't think that driving it to work this morning would have been a good idea,
Tom. It's not street legal- You haven't installed your headlights or turn signals
yet, and I didn't see a license plate...
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Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Shes got legs - again |
Always gotta be somebody bein' too picky about laws.
I believe I remember reading that D.J. Veigh taxied his up and down his
cul-de-sac and got pulled over by a policeman. Could have had something
to do with that meat chopper on the front though it also could have been
just a missing license plate.
Tom
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>>> "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net> 6/1/2011 11:28 AM >>>
I don't think that driving it to work this morning would have been a good
idea, Tom. It's not street legal- You haven't installed your headlights
or turn signals yet, and I didn't see a license plate...
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Subject: | Re: Shes got legs - again |
AWESOME...... I've got all those LG parts yet to build so I'm envious...!
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Racked & Stacked |
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jim Markle is one of the "Good Gu
ys" (TM).
I look forward to the day I can share a beet with him. That should about 3r
d weekend in July.
Cheers, Jim!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Jun 1, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just thought I'd take this time to toss out some info for the newer member
s of the list...
>
> The whole thing about Jim Markle stealing anything that's not bolted down.
...well, it's true. Damn it, no, that's not what I wanted to say.
>
> Seriously though....Jim Markle is a gem amongst men when it comes to Piete
npol people....and people in general. The whole "Markling" thing is a runnin
g joke, so make sure to take it as that. You could only be so lucky to have J
im come through your area and stop in to see your project and have a beer.
>
> When I was still married, Jim and the family stopped at Illinois Beach Sta
te Park north of the city in their camper. We went up and had a wonderful ev
ening with Jim and his wife and the boys, grilled out, went for a walk down t
o the beach.....just had a genuine good time. There ain't much better people
you'll find in your time on this globe.....so if Jim is in town, make sure a
nd put one on ice and open your door. (and bolt your bench sander down...bwa
hahaha) ;-)
>
> Ryan
>
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> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jim,
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>
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> Still have to cut out the aileronsdidn=99t want to do that
=98till JM leftsomething might turn up missing.
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>
>
> Your knee is healedneed an update
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>
>
> Gary
>
> Do not archive
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>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:38 AM
>
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> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Racked & Stacked
>
>
>
> Gary the wings sure look like they are done; are you going to be ready to c
over soon? You are really making good progress.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim B.
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Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next
project might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to
say... Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this
photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.
Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
~Matt
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
> light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project
> might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say...
> Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo
> came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
> **
> *Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high
water mark of the Bleriot.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>
> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>
> ~Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
wrote:
> Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next
project might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had
to say... Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where
this photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.
>
> Stinemetze
> N328X
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Methinks thee is too harsh John!
What style that you can climb down your own fuselage when lodged in a tree
after an I=B9m sure aborted take off.
All those longerons, cross member and ribs....what a waste of time when you
could have used a ladder!
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
No doubt. The last great thing the French did was to be a setting for the
opening part of Battle of Britain....
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:53 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high
> water mark of the Bleriot.
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
>
> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>
> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>
> ~Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
>> *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
>> light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project
>> might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say...
>> Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo
>> came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
>> **
>> *Stinemetze*
>> *N328X*
>>
>
> *
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've redone
that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on corvaircraft.
Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live an hour
east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was intentionally climbing
hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are steady at 350 max. Oil
PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those numbers off WW and he didn't
object. They also jive pretty close with Dan Weseman's recommendations.
Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in central
TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the availability of the
high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume oil pan and modified
the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the time.
Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the correct technique.
It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot (another reason they
don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will happily share what I learned
in that process with anyone who's installing a DW 5th bearing. Call me. With
God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see you at Brodhead.
Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive.
Love,
Axel
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Kevin:
I'm interested in your oil system trials and tribulations. I can't remember
what you were using for an oil cooler. My current plan is to go with a
stock 12 plate cooler in the stock location. I was also going to go with a
stock oil pan or maybe modify a stock oil pan to hold more. Since I am
going to CC 20 in a couple of days I may just opt for a custom one from WW.
As for your oil temp sending unit, where did you mount it?
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/1/2011 3:29:01 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Update
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've
redone that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on
corvaircraft.
>
> Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live
an hour east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was
intentionally climbing hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are
steady at 350 max. Oil PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those
numbers off WW and he didn't object. They also jive pretty close with Dan
Weseman's recommendations.
>
> Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in
central TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the
availability of the high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume
oil pan and modified the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the
time.
>
> Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the
correct technique. It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot
(another reason they don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will
happily share what I learned in that process with anyone who's installing a
DW 5th bearing. Call me. With God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see
you at Brodhead.
>
> Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive.
>
> Love,
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
On 06/01/2011 02:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> ... Disclaimer: I have no idea where this
> photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
I believe that Pouchel, an ultralight Flying Flea variant, was built by
Gary Gower, in Mexico. It is now powered by a Rotax 447, rather than
than that half-VW, and he says it climbs out very well from a strip at
5,000 ASL. He weighs 155 lb and believes it would comfortably carry
someone 30 lb heavier.
The wing structures also are made from aluminum ladders. No need to
snicker. Calculations and experience say they are sturdy as all get-out.
If you are really interested, it may be available eventually. Gary is
now building an HM.380 Flying Flea. [Insert smiley here.]
Owen
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Hi Rick - I use a 12 plate cooler. I don't think I have a temperature problem,
but I'm pretty sure I had a temperature measuring problem. The oil temp sender
was originally installed in the stock oil filter mount thingy. I replaced
that with WW's gold oil system oil filter adapter to provide a pressure source
to feed oil to the 5th bearing. A side benefit is that my oil pressure and temp
instrumentation is much better.
I ran into a problem with oil pressure sensing last week. WW and Matt Wash (a
lurker on this list) advised me to T in a mechanical gauge and rule out the failure
of my electrical gauge. They were right - my electric gauge failed. I've
since replaced it and the new one jives with the mechanical gauge and reads
the way you would expect it to.
I think WW's oil pan is the way to go. It provides a much nicer sealing surface
as compared to my 47 year old oil pan/skid plate. I'm surprised the thing seals
as well as it does.
I wish I could go to CC20. That'll be money in the bank for you, I'm sure.
Hope this helps.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Owen:
There is some very interesting information on the Pouchel website that
gives one pause. After all, many give Henri Mignet (inventor of the
Flying Flea the title "Father of Amateur Aircraft." While we of the
Pietenpol pursuasion might prefer to see that title belonging to our
beloved leader BHP, there is no doubt that Mr. Mignet was a very inventive
individual.
Of particular note: The two flying surfaces are approximately the same
size and neither has any control surfaces on it. The front wing pivets so
the angle of attack is variable. The rudder controls turning and is
linked directly to the control stick which also controls the angle of
attack of the front flying surface. (No feet needed except to aid getting
into the airplane.) The airplane is supposed to be incapable of stalling
or spinning - the ultimate "fool proof" airplane. (Never underestimate
the powers of a "fool.")
The manufacturer of the ladders that were used initially became aware of
their use as airplane parts and refused to sell any more. Sound familiar?
Tom Stinemetze
do not archive as this is totally un Piet related
>>> Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net> 6/1/2011 3:51 PM >>>
The wing structures also are made from aluminum ladders. No need to
snicker. Calculations and experience say they are sturdy as all get-out.
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Kevin,
There is a product LOCTITE-515 that I used to seal the crankcase on my Lycoming
O-235. It seals metal to metal with no gasket. It is approved by Lycoming per
Service Instruction No. 1125D. It might work on your fussy oil pan. I made a
sample from aluminum scraps and it really bonded good. I was impressed.
LOCTITE 515 cures when confined in the absence of air
between close fitting metal surfaces. It seals close fitting joints
between rigid metal faces and flanges and will flex with minor
flange movements.
Directions for use
1. For best performance bond surfaces should be clean and
free from grease
2. The product is designed for close fitting flanged parts with
gaps up to 0.25 mm
3. Apply manually as a continuous bead or by screen
printing to one surface of the flanges
4. Low pressures (
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Kevin, I have ordered the Weseman 5th bearing and it should be coming any
day now. Dan's dad did the black hub and I got it back last week. When the
time comes I'll surely give you a call. I think the advice of someone who
has already accomplished the job will be very welcome. Of course, I
understand that Dan is very helpful when you need it. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Update
> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've
> redone that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on
> corvaircraft.
>
> Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live
> an hour east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was
> intentionally climbing hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are
> steady at 350 max. Oil PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those
> numbers off WW and he didn't object. They also jive pretty close with Dan
> Weseman's recommendations.
>
> Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in
> central TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the
> availability of the high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume
> oil pan and modified the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the
> time.
>
> Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the
> correct technique. It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot
> (another reason they don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will
> happily share what I learned in that process with anyone who's installing
> a DW 5th bearing. Call me. With God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see
> you at Brodhead.
>
> Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive.
>
> Love,
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341768#341768
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
True story. Years ago, an acquaintance of mine crashed his Rogallo winged ultralight
on top of his garage. I think an adjacent tree may also have been involved
but he had to have his wife, who was NOT amused, get out their step-ladder
in order to get down. He brought pictures to the EAA meeting of the crumpled
heap of aluminum tubing still on the garage as visual proof of his folly. Now
had he built a Pouchel, he could have saved his wife the trip to the garage
and the mental anguish of seeing her husband (dazed, confused, and only slightly
injured) perched on the garage.
Dave
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Fighters may not be your thing, but the Dassault products now enforcing the
Libyan no-fly zone make me question your harsh statement, John.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high
> water mark of the Bleriot.
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
>
> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>
> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>
> ~Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
>> *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
>> light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project
>> might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say...
>> Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo
>> came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
>> **
>> *Stinemetze*
>> *N328X*
>>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
just to throw my 2 cents in here=2C I know some people like Locktite=2C som
e Yamabond (sp?) and even RTV (but I think that turns to jelly in the prese
nce of petroleum). I personally have always been partial to the sealant th
at has had several names=2C but is currently made by permatex. It is thick
and black/dark brown=2C very smelly=2C and very=2C very sticky. I have al
ways used it on every gasket in any engine/fuel strainer/etc. It WILL seal
fuel=2C oil=2C and anything else you want=2C and it has sealed leaks where
nothing else would work. Beware=2C if you get it on clothes=2C it will ne
ver come off (it barely comes off of skin).
Also=2C I mentioned fuel sloshing sealer the other day. I am planning on b
uying the alcohol-proof sloshing from the model A parts distributor I bough
t all of my A stuff from (can't think of name). For avgas=2C I have always
used the Randolph stuff=2C and have even used autogas and it has not affec
ted it. Randolph may even make an alcohol-proof sloshing sealant for all I
know.
Gene Rambo
do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Update
> From: jdotson@centurylink.net
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Jun 2011 15:29:50 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.net>
>
> Kevin=2C
> There is a product LOCTITE-515 that I used to seal the crankcase on my Ly
coming O-235. It seals metal to metal with no gasket. It is approved by Lyc
oming per Service Instruction No. 1125D. It might work on your fussy oil pa
n. I made a sample from aluminum scraps and it really bonded good. I was im
pressed.
>
> LOCTITE=C2=AE 515=84=A2 cures when confined in the absence of air
> between close fitting metal surfaces. It seals close fitting joints
> between rigid metal faces and flanges and will flex with minor
> flange movements.
>
> Directions for use
> 1. For best performance bond surfaces should be clean and
> free from grease
> 2. The product is designed for close fitting flanged parts with
> gaps up to 0.25 mm
> 3. Apply manually as a continuous bead or by screen
> printing to one surface of the flanges
> 4. Low pressures (
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
> wing=2C tailfeathers done=2C fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341781#341781
>
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how many reverse gears does the Falcon have?
Gene
(ducking)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Alternate
From: bkemike@gmail.com
Fighters may not be your thing=2C but the Dassault products now enforcing t
he Libyan no-fly zone make me question your harsh statement=2C John.
On Wed=2C Jun 1=2C 2011 at 11:53 AM=2C John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.
com> wrote:
Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high wa
ter mark of the Bleriot.
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President=2C Information Technology
The Rees Group=2C Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison=2C WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 1=2C 2011=2C at 1:39 PM=2C Matt Wash wrote:
It's a Pouchel=2C the French Flying Ladder!
http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
~Matt
On Wed=2C Jun 1=2C 2011 at 1:27 PM=2C TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wro
te:
Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the light
at the end of the tunnel=2C I am starting to wonder what my next project m
ight be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say... Hum
mmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo came
from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.
Stinemetze
N328X
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Wow, tough crowd..... :)
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 1, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> how many reverse gears does the Falcon have?
>
> Gene
> (ducking)
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:41:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Alternate
> From: bkemike@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Fighters may not be your thing, but the Dassault products now
enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone make me question your harsh statement,
John.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Hofmann
<jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:
> Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the
high water mark of the Bleriot.
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
>
> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>
> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>
> ~Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
wrote:
> Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next
project might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had
to say... Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where
this photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.
>
> Stinemetze
> N328X
>
>
>
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Alors! Poor Antoine de Saint-Exup=E9ry, left spinning in an unmarked grave
at
such talk.
Actually, John's comment referred to airplanes, not their pilots. The lack
of sufficient thrust reverse I'm sure was deliberately selected to keep
pilots from flying into places they can't get out of.
I must admit, though, that French aviators must be among the world's best,
keeping A-380s and such airborne...or not.
Come to think about it, the Bleriot WAS kind of a high water mark.
Mike
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> how many reverse gears does the Falcon have?
>
> Gene
> (ducking)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:41:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Alternate
> From: bkemike@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Fighters may not be your thing, but the Dassault products now enforcing t
he
> Libyan no-fly zone make me question your harsh statement, John.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
wrote:
>
> Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high
> water mark of the Bleriot.
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
>
> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>
> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>
> ~Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
> *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
> light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next proj
ect
> might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say...
> Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo
> came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
> **
> *Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
>
> *
>
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: | Shes got legs - again |
Tom congratulations on the gear redo! It looks great and I know the
determination it took to do it right.
Way to go!
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shes got legs - again
Well, all my cussin' of Ryan Mueller and William Wynne is over as
SpaceShipZero.One is back up on it's feet as can be seen in the attached
photo. Axles now moved significantly forward from the previous photos. I
wheeled it out with the intent of driving it to work this morning but the
darn Corvair wouldn't start. I did hear a couple of distinct VROOM VROOM's
though. Note the big rotors and Honda hydralic brake calipers. Gotta have
a lot of holding power to reign in that mighty Corvair (eventually.)
I will NOT show you any close ups of my welds or paint job - I have more
pride in what I want my work to look like than that. I did get a little
practice with my new paint sprayer and multi-part Poly Fiber metal primer.
(and obviously need a lot more practice) On good advice all my new metal
parts will be primed white as this will make the final color coats match the
fabric areas better.
Life is good!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
On 06/01/2011 05:21 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *The manufacturer of the ladders that were used initially became aware
> of their use as airplane parts and refused to sell any more. Sound
> familiar?*
Try buying a Gates Poly Chain belt for an aircraft redrive. Absolutely
suitable for the purpose, but last I knew you had to claim they were for
some industrial use in order to lay hands on one. Hardly anyone wants
the liability exposure carried by use of their products in an airplane.
It doesn't say anything about the engineering of the Pouchel or the
airworthiness of the Flying Flea in general.
Owen
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Well, it's easy to look good when your enemy is rolling around in Toyotas
and ineffectually firing at you. The perfect conflict for that airplane...
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fighters may not be your thing, but the Dassault products now enforcing the
> Libyan no-fly zone make me question your harsh statement, John.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
>
>> Typical. French aviation continues its slide into oblivion from the high
>> water mark of the Bleriot.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> John Hofmann
>> Vice-President, Information Technology
>> The Rees Group, Inc.
>> 2424 American Lane
>> Madison, WI 53704
>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>> Fax: 608.443.2474
>> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Matt Wash wrote:
>>
>> It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder!
>>
>> http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html
>>
>> ~Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the
>>> light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project
>>> might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say...
>>> Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo
>>> came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.*
>>> **
>>> *Stinemetze*
>>> *N328X*
>>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
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>> *
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>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
On the positive side, given the use of an extension ladder for the fuselage, the
W&B should be fairly easy to work out without having to tilt the cabanes.
do not archive
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Piet Alternate |
Hi Piets... nice to see that there are to many friends on the list...
About this picture, i don't sure but it looks like the Gary Gower'plane
from Chapala Mexico, maybe he still (like me) is monitoring the list .
Good Landings
Javier cruz
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Update |
Glad to hear your up and flying Kevin.- I am waiting on some parts for th
e annual and should be flying by sunday or monday.- Our pan leaks at the
rear end also, we had a stock pan, now a Wynne pan and same leak, if I get
bored enough one day I will take it off and put some rtv and a new gasket o
n there, it only leaks when the oil warms up due to running the engine, or
even hot 90+ degree days the ambient temp thins the oil enough to leak out.
- Just a nusiance not really a big deal.
-
Happy Flying
Shad
--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update
Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest p
ond. Ugh.
Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Tex
as skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans...
.I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the
pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year be
fore, and they were both very nice people.
Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket?
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wro
te:
il>
While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. -W
ith the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. -I
've already mentioned all this. -This is what I've learned in the process
of making the repairs/changes:
- The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. -Nothing e
lse changed except for adding the 5th bearing,
- Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. -The Wesemans were great. -Nice
people and great support. -So far it seems to work fine. -I'm hoping I
didn't screw up the install! -Will know soon enough,
- I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back.
-Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches.
-Not much oil but messy. -I'm trying to solve that.
- I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. -One of the conce
rns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. -Some people install high volum
e pumps. -Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers pr
oved to be in spec, though on the low end.
- I actually know my oil temperature now. -Not sure I had a good handle w
ith the previous setup. -It gets a little warm on extended climbs on thes
e 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. -Again, in spec.
Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. -The weather called for win
ds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. -2.
2 hours. -Made me feel better. -Been frustrating not flying for the pas
t several months.
Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. -I've posted or bee
n mentioned there a handful of times. -In all cases I've been met with de
afening silence. -Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends.
-Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few week
s ago. -Silence for me, answers for him. -Given that I've got more corv
air flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty
frustrating. -My point? -Piet people are great and I appreciate my fri
ends here. -At least you'll talk to me!
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
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