Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 06/02/11


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:02 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jack Phillips)
     2. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jack)
     3. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jack Phillips)
     4. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jack Phillips)
     5. 05:57 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Dan Yocum)
     6. 06:22 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     7. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine Update (TOM STINEMETZE)
     8. 08:00 AM - Re: Corvair Engine Update (Jerry Dotson)
     9. 08:21 AM - Permatex? (helspersew@aol.com)
    10. 08:54 AM - Re: Permatex? (kevinpurtee)
    11. 11:34 AM - Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (lowell23@msn.com)
    12. 11:42 AM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (kevinpurtee)
    13. 02:18 PM - way off topic but very important to Brodhead attendees (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    14. 04:09 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (Bill Church)
    15. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    16. 05:08 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (kevinpurtee)
    17. 05:24 PM - Re: Permatex? (Don Emch)
    18. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Permatex? (Ryan Mueller)
    19. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Permatex? (Gene Rambo)
    20. 08:23 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (lowell23@msn.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:02:41 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Corvair Engine Update
    Of course it leaks oil. It's a Corvair! My 1966 Corvair always leaked oil, even when new. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Do Not Archive Just stirring up trouble - the list has gotten way too complacent _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Glad to hear your up and flying Kevin. I am waiting on some parts for the annual and should be flying by sunday or monday. Our pan leaks at the rear end also, we had a stock pan, now a Wynne pan and same leak, if I get bored enough one day I will take it off and put some rtv and a new gasket on there, it only leaks when the oil warms up due to running the engine, or even hot 90+ degree days the ambient temp thins the oil enough to leak out. Just a nusiance not really a big deal. Happy Flying Shad --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest pond. Ugh. Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Texas skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans....I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year before, and they were both very nice people. Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > wrote: <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several months. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 04:27:04 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Corvair Engine Update
    Two Chick Magnets for Jack, a Corvair and Pietenpol! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Of course it leaks oil. It's a Corvair! My 1966 Corvair always leaked oil, even when new. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Do Not Archive Just stirring up trouble - the list has gotten way too complacent _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Glad to hear your up and flying Kevin. I am waiting on some parts for the annual and should be flying by sunday or monday. Our pan leaks at the rear end also, we had a stock pan, now a Wynne pan and same leak, if I get bored enough one day I will take it off and put some rtv and a new gasket on there, it only leaks when the oil warms up due to running the engine, or even hot 90+ degree days the ambient temp thins the oil enough to leak out. Just a nusiance not really a big deal. Happy Flying Shad --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest pond. Ugh. Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Texas skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans....I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year before, and they were both very nice people. Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > wrote: <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several months. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:14:17 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Corvair Engine Update
    I think the Corvair is more of a Turkey magnet. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:24 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Two Chick Magnets for Jack, a Corvair and Pietenpol! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Of course it leaks oil. It's a Corvair! My 1966 Corvair always leaked oil, even when new. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Do Not Archive Just stirring up trouble - the list has gotten way too complacent


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    Time: 05:27:12 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Corvair Engine Update
    Just kidding, of course. Some of my best friends fly Corvairs (when they're not broken) :-) 41 days, 15 hours and 35 minutes till Brodhead (but who's counting?) Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:11 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update I think the Corvair is more of a Turkey magnet. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:24 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Two Chick Magnets for Jack, a Corvair and Pietenpol! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Of course it leaks oil. It's a Corvair! My 1966 Corvair always leaked oil, even when new. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Do Not Archive Just stirring up trouble - the list has gotten way too complacent


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    Time: 05:57:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    If it'll make you feel better, take a peek inside the cowling of N8031 at Brodhead. That'll put your itty-bitty only on a hot day oil leak into perspective. My A65 weeps oil just about everywhere. Granted, it's about 30 years older than your 'vair engine, too. Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 31, 2011, at 6:45 PM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: > > While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: > > - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, > - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, > - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. > - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. > - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. > > Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several months. > > Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:22:49 AM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
    Oh, the tragedy of an incontinent Continental! On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > If it'll make you feel better, take a peek inside the cowling of > N8031 at Brodhead. That'll put your itty-bitty only on a hot day > oil leak into perspective. My A65 weeps oil just about everywhere. > Granted, it's about 30 years older than your 'vair engine, too. > > Do not archive > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On May 31, 2011, at 6:45 PM, "kevinpurtee" > <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: > >> > >> >> While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust >> valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the >> 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've >> learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: >> >> - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. >> Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, >> - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. >> Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm >> hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, >> - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at >> the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front >> cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. >> - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the >> concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install >> high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the >> pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. >> - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good >> handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended >> climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in >> spec. >> >> Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called >> for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went >> and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not >> flying for the past several months. >> >> Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted >> or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been >> met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from >> my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today >> that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. >> Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of >> the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? >> Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least >> you'll talk to me! >> >> Axel >> >> -------- >> Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee >> NX899KP >> Austin/Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 06:22:49 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
    There are a lot of things we work with that tend to stick to skin and leave visible traces for a long time. Recently I was priviledged to be able to take the EAA Sportair workshop on fabric covering. This yielded some very valuable information, not the least of which was how to protect your hands during the preping and painting process. Our instructor introduced us to a product called "Invisible Gloves" which you put on like hand cream and it eventually just seems to disappear, leaving a protective barrier on your skin which is proof against all sorts of nasty things like Acetone and MEK. When you are all done it washes off with soap and water. Best part, it does not affect your sense of touch at all. Sticky things like Poly Brush still stick to you but can then be pealed off or washed off. I have not been able to find the stuff locally but it is available from Aircraft Spruce at a very reasonable cost. Tom Stinemetze >>> Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> 6/1/2011 5:52 PM >>> It WILL seal fuel, oil, and anything else you want, and it has sealed leaks where nothing else would work. Beware, if you get it on clothes, it will never come off (it barely comes off of skin).


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    Time: 08:00:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Gene the I was talking about is approved for crankcase assembly on all Lycoming engines with no gasket at all. I was not implying that it should be used as a gasket sealant although I know a diesel truck shop that uses it to seal joints in transmissions and differentials in lieu of gaskets. The Permatex Form-A-Gasket is a good product. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341847#341847


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    Time: 08:21:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Permatex?
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Gene Rambo, What is the product number and name of that gooy gasket sealant that you we re recommending? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN


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    Time: 08:54:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Permatex?
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Permatex Form-A-Gasket, maybe? I've got a container of the stuff I think Gene's describing in the hangar and it darn sure is sticky. I may try it next time. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341853#341853


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    Time: 11:34:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: "lowell23@msn.com" <lowell23@msn.com>
    Hi Everybody, I have my fuselage jig ready, and my shipment from Aircraft Spruce has arrived with both the spruce and plywood kits. I see that the gussets are made from 1/8" plywood, but noticed the plywood kit doesn't come with that size. Am I missing something (highly likely), or do I just need to order some 1/8" (just as likely)? On a side note - this just kind of happened when I was making blocks for the jig... Thank you, Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341863#341863 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_04_23_155122_243.jpg


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    Time: 11:42:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Order 1/8" ply. You may want to let the vendor know that either their kit is incomplete or your shipment is incomplete. i LOVE jenga!!! Kevin -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341866#341866


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    Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: way off topic but very important to Brodhead attendees
    its a good thing we consume beets rather than the stuff they are talking about in the research below Do not archive John ____________________________________ From: innk60@yahoo.com Sent: 6/2/2011 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Beer Subject: BEER -- This is alarming Beer contains female hormones! Yes, that's right, FEMALE hormones! Last month, Montreal University and scientists released the results of a recent analysis that revealed the presence of female hormones in beer. Men should take a concerned look at their beer consumption. The theory is that beer contains female hormones (hops contain hytoestrogens) and that by drinking enough beer, men turn into women. To test the theory, 100 men each drank 8 schooners of beer within a one (1) hour period. It was then observed that 100% of the test subjects, yes, 100% of all these men:- 1) Argued over nothing. 2) Refused to apologize when obviously wrong. 3) Gained weight. 4) Talked excessively without making sense. 5) Became overly emotional 6) Couldn't drive. 7) Failed to think rationally, and 8) Had to sit down while urinating. No further testing was considered necessary!! Send this to the men you know to warn them about drinking too much beer!


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    Time: 04:09:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg


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    Time: 04:27:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    ...And thereby explaining why one would use locally purchased Poplar, plywood, hickory and fir. I have about $700 invested in ALL my wood, including hickory struts and gear and hickory prop. Now, some will say that counting $$ on an airplane is a foolish waste of time...but why throw $$ at someone who's going to ship you something you don't want or need, then get pissed off? My wood purchases have among the most pleasant part of my project! Gary Cool Poplar Piet ------Original Message------ From: Bill Church Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo Sent: Jun 2, 2011 4:05 PM Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry


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    Time: 05:08:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    You know, Gary, if you chose your local redneck wood with the same care you've built the rest of the airplane, you have no issues! do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341890#341890


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    Time: 05:24:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Permatex?
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called "Aviation Form-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never really hardens. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341893#341893


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    Time: 06:01:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Permatex?
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    I think that's just relabeled Permatex...either way, good stuff, in the appropriate application....and when used according to the "lil bit goes a long way" line of thinking...hehe... do not archive On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called > "Aviation Form-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never > really hardens. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341893#341893 > >


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    Time: 06:27:46 PM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Permatex?
    that is it! Permatex used ot have something called form a gasket that was kinda like rt v that was supposed to replace gaskets alltogether=2C but I never liked it. What you have shown and described here is what I swear by. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Permatex? From: rmueller23@gmail.com I think that's just relabeled Permatex...either way=2C good stuff=2C in the appropriate application....and when used according to the "lil bit goes a long way" line of thinking...hehe... do not archive On Thu=2C Jun 2=2C 2011 at 7:22 PM=2C Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called "Aviat ion Form-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never reall y hardens. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341893#341893 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:23:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
    From: "lowell23@msn.com" <lowell23@msn.com>
    Hey, thanks for all the info and lively discussion! I'll send an e-mail along to the folks at Aircraft Spruce, and I'll learn to trust my instincts more when reading disclaimers. I'm actually not mad - it's all beautiful wood, and if I can make a Jenga set out of the cheapest stuff at Home Depot, just imagine what my Monopoly board will look like! Thanks again for helping out a Tri-Pacer guy. Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341905#341905




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