---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/03/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (Bill Church) 2. 02:06 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (regchief) 3. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Gary Boothe) 4. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 5. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Michael Groah) 7. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Gboothe5) 8. 05:19 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (regchief) 9. 05:21 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (regchief) 10. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (Dan Yocum) 11. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Gboothe5) 12. 07:34 PM - Turtle Deck Help! (cjborsuk) 13. 08:00 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (regchief) 14. 08:19 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Amsafetyc@aol.com) 15. 08:29 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (Bill Church) 16. 08:46 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help!2 (jorge lizarraga) 17. 09:27 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help!2 (aussiegeorge) 18. 09:30 PM - Re: Turtle Deck Help!2 (aussiegeorge) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo From: "Bill Church" Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravating set of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as you progress through the build process. Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341914#341914 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "regchief" Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:08 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Hel...I mean, Heck Yeah!!! Gary - see you there? -----Original Message----- From: regchief Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:33 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo I must concurr, the kits are not made ip of the correct materials. - The tail section kit from Aircraft Spruce and Speciality lacked quite a few pieces of material for proper length and size. - KMHeide Fargo, ND - --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Bill Church wrote: From: Bill Church Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo > Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a loo k at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 wo rth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and qu antities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculat e one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the f uselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets a ll call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: helspersew@aol.com Rain? in California? I thought the good weather was the only reason anyone would stay there. Please post lots of photos. Us good people on the other side of the world a re just curious. do not archive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Hel...I mean, Heck Yeah!!! Gary - see you there? -----Original Message----- rom: regchief ent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:02 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:43 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering The plan is to continue with the meet.- We understand that we probably wo n't have too many planes flying in, but Charlie has his Piet based there so we will have at least that plane.- We'll still have a great time talking Pietenpols, sharing photos and having lunch.- Hope you can make it!=0A =0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: regchief =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, Ju ne 3, 2011 2:02 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gath t.net>=0A=0AWill there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected ?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.c =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:07 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering I'm running out of reasons to stay here!! And so far under water on my house that I'm suffering from nitrogen narcosis. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Rain? in California? I thought the good weather was the only reason anyone would stay there. Please post lots of photos. Us good people on the other side of the world are just curious. do not archive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Hel...I mean, Heck Yeah!!! Gary - see you there? -----Original Message----- From: regchief Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "regchief" I only get one day off a week, and since I have been in California the last 9 months, it has managed to rain about 70% of the time, and only for that day.I am starting to think I am cursed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341988#341988 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "regchief" I will drive up though so I can meet you all! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:17 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo The good folks at Aircraft Spruce monitor this list, so likely they may pipe up and put they're 2 cents in. With all the times the "approved" parts list has been floated on the list I'm surprised they haven't adopted it. It's in the archives if you search for it. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravating set of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as you progress through the build process. > Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341914#341914 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:19 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Where are you driving from, Regchief? Gary, donotarchive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering I will drive up though so I can meet you all! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! From: "cjborsuk" Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: "regchief" Paso Robles. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342003#342003 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:31 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck That's all you spent is 2 days,that's it just 2 days? I don't know about anyone else but getting a turtle to pose that long, well no wonder you're having difficultities with that part. Actually that has to be one of the more challenging and time consuming parts of the build its a real difficult section to build rebuild build again then build it some more. Truth is I doubt there is an easier way and once you think you got it you're still not going to love it John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: cjborsuk Sent: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 02:34:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo From: "Bill Church" I've seen a few different versions of the wood list, and I believe that one of them is what the "spruce kit" is based on. But I wasn't aware that there was a "plywood kit" offered by Aircraft Spruce. I guess it's relatively new. Just not sure where the quantities and thicknesses came from. Apparently not from the Pietenpol plans, but MAYBE it may be connected to the Grega plans? Anyone out there got a set of GN-1 plans to check against? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342006#342006 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:24 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!2 ok in my way i made my i trate to sedyou pict about make like T draw whit t he I part lower one used like put my point needle compas ans open the radio us over you size mesurament whit fuselaje I add 2inches more her --- On Fri, 6/3/11, cjborsuk wrote: From: cjborsuk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beauti ful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I kno w there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2 From: "aussiegeorge" Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful to learn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you want want to go anywhere else. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342012#342012 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2 From: "aussiegeorge" Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful to learn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you won't want to go anywhere else. 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