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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Chris)
2. 03:06 AM - outdone (Clif Dawson)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: outdone (Jack Phillips)
4. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Jack)
5. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: outdone (Jack)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Jack Phillips)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Mark Roberts)
8. 09:54 AM - Stolen Aircraft (Matt Keyes)
9. 09:57 AM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (lowell23@msn.com)
10. 05:32 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (K5YAC)
11. 07:10 PM - Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! (Mark Roberts)
12. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: outdone (Clif Dawson)
13. 07:37 PM - Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Help! |
Chuck
If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I
did mine.
I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced
just by measuring the location.
Then laid all the long pieces in the notches.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp
g
I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I
went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg
I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it
was strait (not bowing).
Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S
upport%20Template.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s
upport%20template2.jpg
The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting
is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your
pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape.
As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp
g
Hopefully this is clearer than mud.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Hey Guys & Gals,
I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I
have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful
work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get
it as straight as possible. Help needed!
I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know
there has to be an easier way.
Chuck Borsuk
989CB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999
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Pony up all you musically creative Pieters!
Surely we can't be outshined by natures own
lumberjack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at
=64
Don't all great airplanes need their own song?
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How's this for a start?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo
I mean, a Pietenpol has to start somewhere.
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: outdone
Pony up all you musically creative Pieters!
Surely we can't be outshined by natures own
lumberjack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64>
&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64
Don't all great airplanes need their own song?
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Help! |
Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures which
may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which adds
weight to the aft end.
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Chuck
If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I
did mine.
I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced
just by measuring the location.
Then laid all the long pieces in the notches.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp
g
I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I
went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg
I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it
was strait (not bowing).
Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S
upport%20Template.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s
upport%20template2.jpg
The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting
is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your
pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape.
As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp
g
Hopefully this is clearer than mud.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Hey Guys & Gals,
I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I
have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful
work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get
it as straight as possible. Help needed!
I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know
there has to be an easier way.
Chuck Borsuk
989CB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999
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Maybe we should start a Pietenpol Air Corps???
http://youtu.be/ol5Dfs7jqFI
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: outdone
How's this for a start?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo
I mean, a Pietenpol has to start somewhere.
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: outdone
Pony up all you musically creative Pieters!
Surely we can't be outshined by natures own
lumberjack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64>
&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64
Don't all great airplanes need their own song?
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Turtle Deck Help! |
One other thing that helps make a nice straight turtle-deck is to
provide
some braces between the stringers to help keep them from moving when the
fabric shrinks. Mike Cuy gave me this tip when I was building mine.
See
the photo below:
You can see the braces I=92m talking about behind the helmet box ' in
between
the forward bulkhead and the next bulkhead. Just pieces of =BC=94
square
spruce, but they do a lot to keep the stringers from moving or twisting.
Also note the plywood just aft of the rear seat bulkhead. It is
critical to
reinforce this area as this carries a lot of weight when getting in and
out
of the cockpit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures
which
may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which
adds
weight to the aft end.
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Chuck
If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how
I
did mine.
I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly
spaced
just by measuring the location.
Then laid all the long pieces in the notches.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support
.jp
g
I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move.
I
went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jp
g
I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure
it
was strait (not bowing).
Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%
20S
upport%20Template.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%
20s
upport%20template2.jpg
The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the
sting
is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and
your
pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape.
As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this
method.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck
.jp
g
Hopefully this is clearer than mud.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help!
Hey Guys & Gals,
I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look
right. I
have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some
beautiful
work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to
get
it as straight as possible. Help needed!
I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I
know
there has to be an easier way.
Chuck Borsuk
989CB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
We're leaving now, so there'll be at least one couple drooling over
Charlie's plane!
See ya'll in a couple of hours!
Mark
do not archive
ote:
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> Where are you driving from, Regchief?
>
> Gary,
> donotarchive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:19 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
>
>
> I will drive up though so I can meet you all!
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989
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Hello all,
Please be on the lookout for a stolen Quicksilver Sport 11, N582VB, taken s
ome time last week from the Sextonville Airport, Richland Center, WI.- In
addition, they took the Rotax 503 engine from my aircraft.- If you have
any information, pleas contact the FAA and the Richland County Sheriff's De
partment 608-647-8906.
Sincerely,
Matt Keyes
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Your_Story__123056908.html
http://www.n582vb.com/582vb-memories/
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| Subject: | Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo |
I checked the Wicks site, and they also have a plywood kit that doesn't include
1/8".
Also, I may have found out where all the 3/32" in the kits comes from. The original
Pietenpol Builders Manual has you using that size for the sides of the fuse.
Its itemized parts list includes 1/8" for the gussets, but... Well, the
important thing is that the newest plans have you using 1/8" for gussets and
sides, and that sounds good to me.
The Builders Manual is a good read, and I'd suggest it to anyone. Of course I got it at http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342052#342052
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| Subject: | Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo |
Here is a link to my comments on the material list I used. It was originally compiled by Bob McKinley, and I was told that it was used by Aircraft Spruce to put together their wood package. I can tell you that it was pretty darn close to what I received from them in 2009. You can read my notes and download a PDF version of the list here... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593&highlight
Notice that there are measurements and quantities listed for wing capstrip, but
not for plywood. I can't give an honest estimate on plywood needs as I have
not completed construction, and because everyone seems to have slightly different
requirements, but the Aircraft Spruce plywood package seems to be way more
than needed.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342072#342072
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| Subject: | Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! |
Just got back and sat down to absorb the day and ruminate on the 'chat and
chew' advice and hanger talk.
Great day of back slappin' and fellowship at Charlie's hanger. Jody and I
would like to thank Charlie and Cecilia, Mike and Vic Groah and the rest
that made today happen. It's great to know there is such an active and
helpful bunch of Pieters on the west coast!
Mark & Jody Roberts
Fresno, CA
Left side framed and now needing to be changed thanks to seeing Charlie's
Keri-Ann Side door...
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Yes! Then we could have our very own aerobatic team!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lXqMmevog
do not archive
Maybe we should start a Pietenpol Air Corps???
http://youtu.be/ol5Dfs7jqFI
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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