---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/04/11: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Chris) 2. 03:06 AM - outdone (Clif Dawson) 3. 03:50 AM - Re: outdone (Jack Phillips) 4. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Jack) 5. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: outdone (Jack) 6. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Turtle Deck Help! (Jack Phillips) 7. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Mark Roberts) 8. 09:54 AM - Stolen Aircraft (Matt Keyes) 9. 09:57 AM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (lowell23@msn.com) 10. 05:32 PM - Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo (K5YAC) 11. 07:10 PM - Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! (Mark Roberts) 12. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: outdone (Clif Dawson) 13. 07:37 PM - Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! (gboothe5@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:48 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:08 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: outdone Pony up all you musically creative Pieters! Surely we can't be outshined by natures own lumberjack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at =64 Don't all great airplanes need their own song? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:25 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: outdone How's this for a start? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo I mean, a Pietenpol has to start somewhere. Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: outdone Pony up all you musically creative Pieters! Surely we can't be outshined by natures own lumberjack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded &v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64 Don't all great airplanes need their own song? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:16 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures which may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which adds weight to the aft end. Jack DSM http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:51 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: outdone Maybe we should start a Pietenpol Air Corps??? http://youtu.be/ol5Dfs7jqFI Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:48 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: outdone How's this for a start? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo I mean, a Pietenpol has to start somewhere. Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: outdone Pony up all you musically creative Pieters! Surely we can't be outshined by natures own lumberjack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded &v=3w_v0k57KhE#at=64 Don't all great airplanes need their own song? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! One other thing that helps make a nice straight turtle-deck is to provide some braces between the stringers to help keep them from moving when the fabric shrinks. Mike Cuy gave me this tip when I was building mine. See the photo below: You can see the braces I=92m talking about behind the helmet box ' in between the forward bulkhead and the next bulkhead. Just pieces of =BC=94 square spruce, but they do a lot to keep the stringers from moving or twisting. Also note the plywood just aft of the rear seat bulkhead. It is critical to reinforce this area as this carries a lot of weight when getting in and out of the cockpit. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures which may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which adds weight to the aft end. Jack DSM http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support .jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jp g I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck% 20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck% 20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck .jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering From: Mark Roberts We're leaving now, so there'll be at least one couple drooling over Charlie's plane! See ya'll in a couple of hours! Mark do not archive ote: > > Where are you driving from, Regchief? > > Gary, > donotarchive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:19 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering > > > I will drive up though so I can meet you all! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:54 AM PST US From: Matt Keyes Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stolen Aircraft Hello all, Please be on the lookout for a stolen Quicksilver Sport 11, N582VB, taken s ome time last week from the Sextonville Airport, Richland Center, WI.- In addition, they took the Rotax 503 engine from my aircraft.- If you have any information, pleas contact the FAA and the Richland County Sheriff's De partment 608-647-8906. Sincerely, Matt Keyes http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Your_Story__123056908.html http://www.n582vb.com/582vb-memories/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo From: "lowell23@msn.com" I checked the Wicks site, and they also have a plywood kit that doesn't include 1/8". Also, I may have found out where all the 3/32" in the kits comes from. The original Pietenpol Builders Manual has you using that size for the sides of the fuse. Its itemized parts list includes 1/8" for the gussets, but... Well, the important thing is that the newest plans have you using 1/8" for gussets and sides, and that sounds good to me. The Builders Manual is a good read, and I'd suggest it to anyone. Of course I got it at http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342052#342052 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo From: "K5YAC" Here is a link to my comments on the material list I used. It was originally compiled by Bob McKinley, and I was told that it was used by Aircraft Spruce to put together their wood package. I can tell you that it was pretty darn close to what I received from them in 2009. You can read my notes and download a PDF version of the list here... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593&highlight Notice that there are measurements and quantities listed for wing capstrip, but not for plywood. I can't give an honest estimate on plywood needs as I have not completed construction, and because everyone seems to have slightly different requirements, but the Aircraft Spruce plywood package seems to be way more than needed. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342072#342072 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! From: Mark Roberts Just got back and sat down to absorb the day and ruminate on the 'chat and chew' advice and hanger talk. Great day of back slappin' and fellowship at Charlie's hanger. Jody and I would like to thank Charlie and Cecilia, Mike and Vic Groah and the rest that made today happen. It's great to know there is such an active and helpful bunch of Pieters on the west coast! Mark & Jody Roberts Fresno, CA Left side framed and now needing to be changed thanks to seeing Charlie's Keri-Ann Side door... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:59 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: outdone Yes! Then we could have our very own aerobatic team! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lXqMmevog do not archive Maybe we should start a Pietenpol Air Corps??? http://youtu.be/ol5Dfs7jqFI Jack DSM Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! 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