---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/07/11: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 (Kip and Beth Gardner) 2. 08:26 AM - Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Charles Campbell) 4. 09:12 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Billy McCaskill) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: West Coast Gathering (AircamperN11MS) 6. 09:21 AM - Off topic, another beer statistic (AircamperN11MS) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 8. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Cabane Fittings (Ken Bickers) 9. 09:55 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 10. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Cabane Fittings (Gboothe5) 11. 10:13 AM - Cabane Fittings (santiago morete) 12. 10:24 AM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 (shad bell) 13. 10:25 AM - Big Piet Blast from the PAST! (Barry Davis) 14. 10:29 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Billy McCaskill) 15. 10:31 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 16. 10:33 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Jack) 17. 10:33 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Catdesigns) 18. 10:34 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (Bill Church) 19. 11:02 AM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 20. 11:07 AM - A ignition (bender) 21. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Cabane Fittings (Jim Boyer) 22. 03:53 PM - Re: A ignition (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 04:05 PM - Re: A ignition (Paul Jaffray) 24. 04:19 PM - Re: A ignition (gboothe5@comcast.net) 25. 04:30 PM - Re: Flying again (kevinpurtee) 26. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Cabane Fittings (Jack Phillips) 27. 07:20 PM - Re: A ignition (shad bell) 28. 07:51 PM - Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 (Kip and Beth Gardner) 29. 08:37 PM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 30. 08:57 PM - Re: Cabane Fittings (K5YAC) 31. 09:18 PM - Re: A ignition (Billy McCaskill) 32. 09:24 PM - Re: Flying again (Billy McCaskill) 33. 11:46 PM - Re: Off topic, another beer statistic (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:46 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 Hi Shad, Unfortunately I won't make it this year. The excessive rain this Spring makes farm work a priority now. With any luck we'll still have a decent year. Kip Gardner On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote: > > > Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18 > here at Chapman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio. It will be > a pot luck style event and tent camping here on friday and saturday > nights. Hope to see many as many of you Ohio area Guys as > possible. Drive ins are welcome, and parking shouldn't be a > problem. Please contact me by email, on list or off, if you plan on > attending. I will give out pattern instructions, driving directions > etc. > > Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18 > Shad > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in the archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any ideas. It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake, but making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly 3" long isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might initiate both bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to beat them to 90 degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent side this only makes for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them with my torch and apply the same force (hammer), but I don't like that idea. Small, cherry red fittings that need to be positioned properly on a form once hot... yeah, I'm probably going to get burned. I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look like they have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a recent thread and they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping fittings rather than the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main issue is making the bends on the long pieces. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342296#342296 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_738.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:31 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings The mechanic who did my fittings did them the way the plans call for -- bending the long piece 90 degrees in two places, making the two tabs in separate pieces, and welding them to the long, U shaped piece. He told me later that if he had done it his way he would have made it in one piece of metal with four bends (five, counting the 45 degree bend). chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings > > I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in > the archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any > ideas. > > It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake, > but making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly > 3" long isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might > initiate both bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to > beat them to 90 degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent > side this only makes for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them > with my torch and apply the same force (hammer), but I don't like that > idea. Small, cherry red fittings that need to be positioned properly on a > form once hot... yeah, I'm probably going to get burned. > > I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look > like they have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a > recent thread and they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping > fittings rather than the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main > issue is making the bends on the long pieces. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342296#342296 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_738.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "Billy McCaskill" Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Gathering From: "AircamperN11MS" Oscar, You just described "unusual" perfectly, unless you live where I do, then it's the norm. Spring time at my house usually includes winds at 15 gusting to 25 or 30 knots with an occasional calm day or two in between. It typically last from March through the middle of June. Sounds like how you describe Texas. Anyway, welcome to the Left Coast. I remember when I flew my Piet around Mt Shasta it made me feel like an ant on this planet. You'll enjoy the flight when it happens. Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342303#342303 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, another beer statistic From: "AircamperN11MS" Finally, another meaningful and encouraging static, A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year. Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer a year. That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon. Not Bad!!! Maybe I should start drinking beer again? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342304#342304 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" Billy McCaskill wrote: > Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that. I tried that with similar results to the second method I mentioned, using a bending block... but I end up with a rounded bend instead of a boxed fitting. I guess I didn't clamp the part tightly enough or something. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342305#342305 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: Ken Bickers I used a scrap piece of 1" square tube that was about 8 or 10 inches long to which I clamped, using a beat up old C-clamp, the metal strap that I wanted to bend. Imagine the piece of strap forming a T with the square tube, such that the ears of the piece of strap were ready to bend down over the square tube. I then tightened the 1" tube into a table vise. I heated the piece of strap before bending, one ear at a time. At a dull red, the strap bent nicely. I also did the nested approach. I waited to do most of the cutting and trimming until after I had welded the pairs of straps together. See attached photo. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. -That's w hat I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301 > > =========== =========== =========== alle, List Admin. =========== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" Seems that I'm on the right track based on the initial comments... I guess I just need to work on my technique a bit. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342310#342310 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:29 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings That's exactly how I did mine, using C-clamps and the ever useful bench vise. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy McCaskill Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:59 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings or.... http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:13 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 Kip, I just got back from driving up to sw canton this morning, what a stor m!- I got into hail high winds and some pretty good down pours.- It is definitly WET up that way, I saw what I thought was swamp on the south side of rt 30, just to see it was a field.- Good Luck with your planting, and may you have a good yeild. - Shad --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 Hi Shad, Unfortunately I won't make it this year. -The excessive rain this Spring makes farm work a priority now. -With any luck we'll still have a decent year. Kip Gardner On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote: Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18 here at Ch apman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio.- It will be a pot luck sty le event and tent camping here on friday and saturday nights.- Hope to se e many as many of you Ohio area Guys as possible.- Drive ins are welcome, and parking shouldn't be a problem.- Please contact me by email, on list or off, if you plan on attending. I will give out pattern instructions, dr iving directions etc. - Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18 Shad href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet Blast from the PAST! Just looking through some old Piet pictures and thought someone might enjoy these. The first picture shows all the parts to build 6 Corvair engines. Note the table is divided into sections with blue tape and well organized. Three minutes after this picture was taken, all hell broke loose and the building began. I don't have the heart to show the picture of how the shop looked after parts started flying together, but it looked like a poorly organized disaster area. The second picture is of Doc Mosher's visit to the Big Piet Factory in Carrollton, Ga. Barry Davis NX973BP ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "Billy McCaskill" Excellent link, Santiago. I think I remember reading something very similar to this method in the Bingelis books... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342315#342315 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" [quote="moretesantiago(at)yahoo.c"]or.... http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506 (http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506) > [b] That is an interesting approach Santiago. Thanks! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342316#342316 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:08 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings Mark, I pre-bent each side as far as possible then finished off as seen in the attachment. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in the archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any ideas. It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake, but making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly 3" long isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might initiate both bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to beat them to 90 degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent side this only makes for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them with my torch and apply the same force (hammer), but I don't like that idea. Small, cherry red fittings that need to be positioned properly on a form once hot... yeah, I'm probably going to get burned. I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look like they have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a recent thread and they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping fittings rather than the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main issue is making the bends on the long pieces. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342296#342296 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_738.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "Catdesigns" Mark Yes, you need to build bending blocks for this fitting. I use some scrap 3/8th inch steel I found at the scrap yard. Round the edge to the correct bend radius. You can see the blocks in this picture. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_0048.JPG For this fitting I had to have the blocks hang off the end of the bench vice so the fitting would clear the jaws as it bent. The free end was clamped together with a big C-clamp. It will make sense when you try it. Clamp the long side of the fitting between the blocks and bend the short side until you get to 90 degrees. Then bend the other side the same way (clamp the long side , bend the short). The side will stay nice and strait if you hit the fitting just above where you want it to bend. I found the best way to not damage your fitting is to use a 1/2 inch brass rod between the hammer and the steel, wood was destroyed to fast. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342318#342318 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "Bill Church" Mark, Your answer is in your question. You mentioned Jack Textors' fittings. If you go to Jack's website, way down near the bottom are a couple of photos that show a good method. First one 90 degree bend is made, using the vise mounted bending dies. Then the second bend is started, and bent as far as the equipment will allow. Then, the third leg is clamped tightly between two substantial metal bars, with the bend line at the edge of the bars, and the rest of the bend is completed with a hammer (and possibly a hardwood block or brass bar). I've attached copies of the relevant photos from Jack's site. Of course, the other way to make a bend like that is with a brake press and gooseneck dies, but not too many of us have access to that kind of equipment. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342319#342319 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_009_645.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_010_102.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" Excellent! I feel better knowing that my thinking wasn't too far off... I just need to grab some scrap and practice making a few bends. Without a hydraulic press and proper dies, it seems that these require a little grunt work no matter which approach is used. Thanks a lot for the input fellas! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342321#342321 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A ignition From: "bender" I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up.. making a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while trying to find the right engine parts there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on it but no idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there are hard to come by so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair ignition idea.. ie; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd coil switcher.. i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair the other option is the single magneto i just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and don't want to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i want one.... he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a practice piet prop in trade.. seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but the dual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter any thoughts jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342322#342322 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:08 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings Hi Mark, I did my cabane fittings with the vise, a steel block about 7/8" thick and some pieces of .090 to use to make up the difference. I first bent the first 90 and then the second 90 as far as possible, wedged in the block and shims, and pounded the last side down. I was able to put the fittings in my vise so as to keep the bottom flat by clamping the steel fill block=C2-against one vise jaw and the bottom of t he fitting on the other=C2-vise jaw (with a piece of 090 to prevent scarr ing the fitting). Cranked the vise down tight and used a 2 pound short hand led mallet to finish off the last side. this technique worked good for me after I made the usual first sacrificial "spare part." Cheers, Jim B. Piet on wheels Tail surfaces mounted Center section mounted Control cables in work ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A ignition From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, I would vote for the free mag in exchange for the practice prop. Not that I think the dual point idea is bad, but maybe you could do both. For me, car ving my prop was the most challenging and rewarding part of the whole const ruction process. It is something I thought was initially beyond the realm o f my ability, but like most other phases of the build, it is just a matter of putting one foot ahead of the other, and slugging through it. Sure, I co uld have finished and flown a few months earlier, but learning new things w as a big part of the reason I had for building the airplane in the first pl ace. (Gary B. please weigh-in.) FYI I am again re-thinking my 2nd ignition source. I am looking into the WI CO mag that drops down into the distributor hole in the "A", (a-la Larry Wi lliams from a few years ago.) No battery, no coil, no distributor or points , or electronic ignition module. Haven't made up my mind....all I know for sure is, that I want, in the worst way to fly to Brodhead with the one mag I have now. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 1:08 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A ignition > I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up.. aking a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while tryi ng o find the right engine parts there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on it but o idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there are hard to ome by so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair gnition idea.. e; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd coil witcher.. i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair the other option is the single magneto just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and do n't ant to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i want ne.... he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a practice pie t rop in trade.. seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but the ual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter any thoughts eff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342322#342322 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A ignition From: Paul Jaffray Have you looked at the Secrets of Speed Society? They are at www.secretsofspeed.com. They have high performance model a heads. On Jun 7, 2011 2:09 PM, "bender" wrote: jfaith@solairusaviation.com> > > I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up.. > making a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while trying to find the right engine parts > > there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on it but no idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there are hard to come by > > so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair ignition idea.. > ie; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd coil switcher.. > > i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair > > the other option is the single magneto > i just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and don't want to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i want one.... he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a practice piet prop in trade.. > > seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but the dual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter > > any thoughts > > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342322#342322 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A ignition From: gboothe5@comcast.net SmVmZiwNCg0KSSdtIHRoZSBjcmF6eSBmb29sIHRoYXQgRGFuIHRhbGtlZCBpbnRvIGNhcnZpbmcg bXkgcHJvcCEgQnV0LCBhcyBEYW4gc2FpZCwgb2YgYWxsIHRoZSBjb29sIHRoaW5ncyB0aGF0IEkg aGF2ZSBsZWFybmVkIGhvdyB0byBkbywgSSBhbSBtb3N0IHByb3VkIG9mIG15IHByb3AuIERhbidz IGNkIHdpbGwgd2FsayB5b3UgdGhydSB0aGUgd2hvbGUgcHJvY2Vzcy4NCg0KTXkgUGlldCB3aWxs IGJlIGNvcnZhaXIgcG93ZXJlZCwgc28gSSdtIGZhbWlsaWFyIHdpdGggdGhlIGR1YWwgcG9pbnQg aWRlYSB0aGF0IHlvdSBoYXZlLCBidXQgY2Fubm90IG9mZmVyIGFueSBhZHZpY2Ugb24geW91ciBB IHBvd2VycGxhbnQ7IG9ubHkgdG8gdm91Y2ggZm9yIHRoZSBodWdlIGFtb3VudCBvZiB0ZXN0aW5n 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"kevinpurtee" Outstanding, Shad! I know your pain. Look forward to photographing them together at Brodhead (Good Lord Willin'!). And yes, 100LL has gone up lately. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342356#342356 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:49 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings Try reading Tony Bingelis' books. He explains in infinite detail exactly how to do it. This is true for 99% of the questions you will have as you build your Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings That's exactly how I did mine, using C-clamps and the ever useful bench vise. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy McCaskill Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:51 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A ignition No experiance on the "A"'s (except driving dad's 1932 A V-8-1.5 ton truck ), but the msd coil switcher, duel point dist, and duel coil single plug ig nition has worked without any problems on our crank snapp'n vair.- It sho uld work fine on a A.- The hardest part might be getting both sets of poi nts timed exactly the same.- The points have to be pretty dern close (exa ctly) 180 degrees apart, and gapped the same to keep the timing exact on bo th sets of points, but only one set is firing at a time, the other stricly for back-up. - Shad ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:33 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 Thanks Shad, By the time I got to the farm this AM, the sky was completely black & we wound up getting about an inch of rain in less than an hour. We missed the hail at the farm, but I heard we got it back in town & at my in-laws. We'd had ALMOST an entire week of dry weather & we'd hoped to plow & harrow today, but maybe tomorrow. It's been a crazy spring. Figures, seeing as it's the first year I decided to farm full time :( Kip Do not Archive On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:21 PM, shad bell wrote: > Kip, I just got back from driving up to sw canton this morning, what > a storm! I got into hail high winds and some pretty good down > pours. It is definitly WET up that way, I saw what I thought was > swamp on the south side of rt 30, just to see it was a field. Good > Luck with your planting, and may you have a good yeild. > > Shad > > --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote: > > From: Kip and Beth Gardner > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:49 AM > > Hi Shad, > > Unfortunately I won't make it this year. The excessive rain this > Spring makes farm work a priority now. With any luck we'll still > have a decent year. > > Kip Gardner > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> >> >> Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18 >> here at Chapman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio. It will >> be a pot luck style event and tent camping here on friday and >> saturday nights. Hope to see many as many of you Ohio area Guys as >> possible. Drive ins are welcome, and parking shouldn't be a >> problem. Please contact me by email, on list or off, if you plan >> on attending. I will give out pattern instructions, driving >> directions etc. >> >> Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18 >> Shad >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Try reading Tony Bingelis' books. He explains in infinite detail exactly > how to do it. This is true for 99% of the questions you will have as you > build your Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- Ill do that... I've got his books, but must have overlooked that part, or perhaps I just forgot. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342379#342379 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings From: "K5YAC" Yep, there it is... starting on page 38 of Sportplane Construction Techniques. We now return you to your regular programming... Brodhead, beets and bad jokes. [Rolling Eyes] Do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342380#342380 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A ignition From: "Billy McCaskill" I guess your decision pretty much rests on 2 basic thoughts... 1) do you want a battery and alternator (more weight and complexity) and a more elaborate electrical system that is untried on a Model A and will require some fabrication and experimentation, and 2) do you want a simpler, lighter, more proven, more period-correct ignition system that probably won't require as much experimentation and testing? Ultimately it is your plane and your decision, you just have to weigh the options carefully and choose the system that will best meet your requirements. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342383#342383 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying again From: "Billy McCaskill" I'll be there again this year with my camera, and would be happy to take some pictures for you Kevin/Shad, or anyone else. I'd even be willing to do some aerial photography of group or formation flights or whatever. (This is my way of begging for rides!) [Wink] -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342384#342384 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:08 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off topic, another beer statistic That's really good! Us Canucks only get 10! And we walk and paddle a lot more than 900 I can tell you! Clif > > Finally, another meaningful and encouraging static, > > A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year. > > Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer > a year. > > That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon. > > Not Bad!!! Maybe I should start drinking beer again? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.