---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/10/11: 50 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Two Fuse Questions (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:17 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:53 AM - Re: Two Fuse Questions (Greg Cardinal) 4. 04:54 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (airlion) 5. 05:01 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Jack Phillips) 6. 06:20 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 06:24 AM - Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts (Michael Perez) 8. 06:50 AM - Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts (Bill Church) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Dan Yocum) 10. 07:06 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Owen Davies) 11. 08:22 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Don Emch) 12. 08:38 AM - Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (cjborsuk) 13. 08:43 AM - Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts (mark lee) 14. 08:56 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Ryan Mueller) 15. 09:08 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (kevinpurtee) 16. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Ryan Mueller) 17. 09:30 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Charles Campbell) 19. 09:58 AM - Re: A little ways off topic... (shad bell) 20. 09:58 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Jim Boyer) 21. 10:02 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (K5YAC) 22. 10:06 AM - Re: Life is Good (gboothe5@comcast.net) 23. 10:10 AM - Life is Good (gboothe5@comcast.net) 24. 10:32 AM - Re: Wrenches (jarheadpilot82) 25. 10:36 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Dan Yocum) 26. 10:44 AM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (rvanengen) 27. 10:54 AM - Re: Two Fuse Questions (lowell23@msn.com) 28. 10:57 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Don Emch) 29. 11:05 AM - Re: Long Way from Home (Dick N) 30. 11:13 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Dan Yocum) 31. 11:22 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Jack Phillips) 32. 11:28 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Bill Church) 33. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Wrenches (Ryan Mueller) 34. 11:34 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Ryan Mueller) 35. 11:44 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Dan Yocum) 36. 11:53 AM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Bill Church) 37. 01:11 PM - Re: Long Way from Home (TOM STINEMETZE) 38. 01:16 PM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (cjborsuk) 39. 01:21 PM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (aerocarjake) 40. 03:10 PM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (K5YAC) 41. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Gene Rambo) 42. 03:58 PM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Gene Rambo) 43. 05:14 PM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Jack) 44. 05:18 PM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (helspersew@aol.com) 45. 05:45 PM - prop (airlion) 46. 05:46 PM - Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Ryan M) 47. 07:01 PM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Billy McCaskill) 48. 07:32 PM - Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? (Billy McCaskill) 49. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (Clif Dawson) 50. 08:48 PM - Re: prop (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Lowell, I glued all the butt joints, but in my mind I had the same question. Don't know the answer. If I were you I would plane those braces down to 7/8". Eve ry little bit of weight eliminated is important. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: lowell23 Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:46 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions Hi All, 've got my longerons and struts/braces #13, 14, and 15 in the jig, and I al so ave a couple of questions. Since there will be gussets on both sides, is t here uch benefit to glueing the butt joints? Also, I see that struts/braces 2 hrough 6 are made with 7/8" by 1" - yes, it would be a bit heavier, but wou ld t be OK to make them with 1" by 1"? hank you very much! owell ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342561#342561 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:55 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? I took my grandson up in my Piet last year on his 8th birthday, after first taking him up in my neighbor's 172. Sure fun to see the look on their face the first time they fly. For some reason we didn't get a picture of him in the Pietenpol, but here was first ride in the 172: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it. Andrew Eldredge On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Ruse wrote: ...because I might need to do that soon. :-) Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman, not the Piet). I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness wasn't near tight enough, so we taxied around for a while which he enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl to fit in the GN-1, so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much. Also, if I do pull that off, I need suggestions on (#1) how to get my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever leave me alone with the kid again. :) When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David Jay Perry airport in Goldsby, OK). However, we took the Saturn, rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts. Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean myself off sleep entirely. Here are some pictures from Sunday: http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace1.jpg http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace2.jpg http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace3.jpg Steve Ruse Norman, OK Do not archive ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:54 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions The benefit of glueing butt joints is that it seals the end grain. This is good practice throughout the aircraft. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions > > > Hi All, > I've got my longerons and struts/braces #13, 14, and 15 in the jig, and I > also have a couple of questions. Since there will be gussets on both > sides, is there much benefit to glueing the butt joints? Also, I see that > struts/braces 2 through 6 are made with 7/8" by 1" - yes, it would be a > bit heavier, but would it be OK to make them with 1" by 1"? > Thank you very much! > Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342561#342561 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:49 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? Great Pic Jack. I sure wish My Grand kids's Mom would let them go up with m e. =0AThousands of hours and still NO. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, June 10, 2011 7:15:50 AM=0ASubje ct: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet?=0A=0A =0A I took my grandson up in my Piet last year on his 8th birthday, after first =0Ataking him up in my neighbor=99s 172. Sure fun to see the look o n their face the =0Afirst time they fly. For some reason we didn=99t get a picture of him in the =0APietenpol, but here was first ride in the 1 72:=0A =0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0AS mith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpo l-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge=0ASent: Friday, J une 10, 2011 12:51 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet?=0A =0AThe youngest I 've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster seat fit =0Ajust f ine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle themselves and leap =0Aout of the pit without me able to do much about it.=0A=0AAndrew Eldredge =0AOn Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Ruse w onics.com>=0A=0A...because I might need to do that soon. :-)=0A=0ASunday e vening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our first child) =0Au p for her first flight (in a Grumman, not the Piet). I've had my five year old =0Anephew in the Piet and the harness wasn't near tight enough, so we taxied around =0Afor a while which he enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my =0Alittle girl to fit in the GN-1, so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up =0Afront. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillo ws that I could just stuff =0Athose around her and keep her from banging ar ound too much.=0A=0AAlso, if I do pull that off, I need suggestions on (#1) how to get my wife to =0Alet me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever leave me alone with the =0Akid again. :)=0A=0AWhen my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly Saturday =0Amorning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David Jay Perry airport in =0AGoldsby, OK). However, we took the Saturn, rather than the GN-1 which is how I =0A usually deliver the donuts.=0A=0ABeing a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have time to =0Abuild airplanes. I'm trying to figur e out how to wean myself off sleep =0Aentirely.=0A=0AHere are some pictures from Sunday:=0Ahttp://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace1.jpg=0Ahttp://ww w.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace2.jpg=0Ahttp://www.wotelectronics.com/flyi ng/grace3.jpg=0A=0ASteve Ruse=0ANorman , OK=0A=0ADo not archive =0A=0A= ===========0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A============0Ahttp:// forums.matronics.com=0A============0Ale, List Admin. =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A====== ======0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AAndrew Eldredge=0AProvo , UT=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.m atronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? For goodness' sake! You're an AIRLINE pilot, as well as a marine. Who could she better trust? Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? Great Pic Jack. I sure wish My Grand kids's Mom would let them go up with me. Thousands of hours and still NO. Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 7:15:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? I took my grandson up in my Piet last year on his 8th birthday, after first taking him up in my neighbor's 172. Sure fun to see the look on their face the first time they fly. For some reason we didn't get a picture of him in the Pietenpol, but here was first ride in the 172: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it. Andrew Eldredge On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Ruse wrote: ...because I might need to do that soon. :-) Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman, not the Piet). I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness wasn't near tight enough, so we taxied around for a while which he enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl to fit in the GN-1, so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much. Also, if I do pull that off, I need suggestions on (#1) how to get my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever leave me alone with the kid again. :) When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David Jay Perry airport in Goldsby, OK). However, we took the Saturn, rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts. Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean myself off sleep entirely. Here are some pictures from Sunday: http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace1.jpg http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace2.jpg http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/grace3.jpg Steve Ruse Norman , OK Do not archive ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Andrew Eldredge Provo , UT http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:08 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? Steve: I used to say; "All babies look alike." until I got whacked by too many purses. Cute kid and "good show" for getting her started early. You can start catching up on your sleep just as soon as you become an empty nester. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Steve Ruse" 6/9/2011 11:13 PM >>> Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean myself off sleep entirely. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts I will be using aluminum struts for my wings and wonder if welding on alumi num tabs for the jury struts to attach to is a good...or bad...idea?- (al l of which are 6160) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts From: "Bill Church" Michael, As has been mentioned many times before, welding aluminum usually will weaken the material in the weld zone. Specific alloys are affected differently, but in the case of 6061, the strength gets reduced as much as 40% within 1" of the weld. You probably don't want to be weakening your lift struts. I would say that welding tabs to your aluminum struts would be classified as a "bad" idea. Mechanical fastening should be fairly easy to do neatly. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342602#342602 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? Steve, I tried putting a car seat up front once, but it wouldn't fit. It was a forward facing seat - not one of those cradle-type, though. Ear protection. Young kids that age need good ear protection. You don't want to damage those sensitive little ear drums. They'll find enough ways to ignore you later in life, you don't need to give them a valid excuse. ;-) Last summer I sat both of the girls (they were 3 at the time) in the front seat, put ear muffs on 'em, and taxied around the airport. They loved it and Sophie has been asking and asking and asking me and mom to let her fly with me. Claire isn't so hopped up about it - she's more tentative than her sister - but she has been talking herself into it. I have to admit that the issue about them unbuckling themselves and jumping out is a concern. For an older kid, say 3-4, I think the issue could be solved by tying a swiss seat rappel harness (http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Swiss-Seat-Rappel-Harness) and then tie the other end of the rope to your seat belt. Even if they unbuckled themselves, they wouldn't be able to untie the knots or wiggle out of the harness. Don E. didn't take Ryan flying in his Piet until he was 5. Gene R. started taking his son in his Travel Air when he was 7 or 8, IIRC. Larry Vetter's brother took his daughter in his Piet when she was 3. The girls are 4 and I hope I can convince mom to let me take them (one at a time), this summer. We'll see... Good luck! Dan PS There is no building airplanes when you've got youngun's. I have no idea how Don E. did it... On 06/09/2011 11:51 PM, Andrew Eldredge wrote: > The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster > seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle > themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it. > > Andrew Eldredge > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Ruse > wrote: > > > > > ...because I might need to do that soon. :-) > > Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our > first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman, not the Piet). > I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness > wasn't near tight enough, so we taxied around for a while which he > enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl > to fit in the GN-1, so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up > front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could > just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much. > > Also, if I do pull that off, I need suggestions on (#1) how to get > my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever > leave me alone with the kid again. :) > > When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly > Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David > Jay Perry airport in Goldsby, OK). However, we took the Saturn, > rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts. > > Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have > time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean > myself off sleep entirely. > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:53 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? On 06/10/2011 09:17 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *I used to say; "All babies look alike." until I got whacked by too many > purses.... Or as Churchill observed, "I have discovered something wonderful. All babies look just like me." Owen ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? From: "Don Emch" Steve, Weaning off of sleep is really a good method... just quitting cold turkey, not so good. It took me about three years to really be weaned. I find that my airplane time needs to be when Gretchen and the 4 kiddos would rather be sleeping. Ryan loves to help me so that does help the situation. But for the most part my prime airplane working time seems to be early morning, which unfortunately means waking up around 3:30-4:00. But when you have an addiction likes this...ya gotta do what ya gotta do... As far as the kids flying, the older 3 so far have had their very first airplane ride in the Piet at the age of 5. Momma didn't really know about the first one until after, which was probably best. For the next two we agreed on 5 years old. Abbey who is 4 is begging. Now that I have the Chief we might have to break the 5 rule. I never have tried to use a car seat. One thing I was going to do was to make an extra harness to hold them in there just in case they got a crazy idea to unbuckle and try to climb out. I never did make it we just practiced and talked about it a lot! I've never had a problem. Although I wouldn't take another kid that young that I wasn't able to practice with a lot. All in all the kids love it. I have them in a rotation in my logbook for who gets to go next. Flying the kids out to breakfast and to flyins have been the absolute high point of my 20 years of flying! Don Emch NX899DE P.S. Frank Pavliga used to fly with his kids in the back pit with him! YIKES!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342614#342614 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "cjborsuk" Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts From: mark lee I would advise against welding.The aluminum is going to lose to much strength and the hardness will be all over the place.It will no longer be 6061 around the weld.This was a problem in early hang gliders.We tried wood plugs but that quickly set up corrosion.Also you can get into weakening with dissimilar metals causing corrosion. You might find out if there was hardware manufactured for that strut material.Aluminum is great but be careful how you use it. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I will be using aluminum struts for my wings and wonder if welding on > aluminum tabs for the jury struts to attach to is a good...or bad...idea? > (all of which are 6160) > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: Ryan Mueller Looking good Chuck! You even have the wing hanging above the fuselage to simulate the difficulty of the process... :-P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > > Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all > the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods > received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch > of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course > WestCoastPiet.com. > > Chuck (in Raleigh) > 989CB ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "kevinpurtee" It's gonna fly funny with the wing oriented like that... Nice job! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342626#342626 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: Ryan Mueller Not nearly as goofy as flying with a wing that spins.... ;-) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:05 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > It's gonna fly funny with the wing oriented like that... > > Nice job! > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342626#342626 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:41 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Nice looking work, Chuck. I am envious of your work space though. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "cjborsuk" 6/10/2011 10:36 AM >>> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Watch that! Them spinning wings is fun! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Not nearly as goofy as flying with a wing that spins.... ;-) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:05 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: It's gonna fly funny with the wing oriented like that... Nice job! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342626#342626 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:32 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A little ways off topic... Great looking chief, Chief.- Look forward to seeing it in person, hopeful ly this summer some time. - Shad --- On Thu, 6/9/11, John Hofmann wrote: From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A little ways off topic... Beautiful Don. Really Nice. I bet Jack likes the colors too. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Don Emch wrote: I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of videos of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. -If you know my Piet you might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! -Planning to take the Piet up! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342548#342548 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:32 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! NIce looking work Chuck; you are making very good progress. Cheers, Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "K5YAC" Looking real nice Chuck! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342636#342636 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Life is Good From: gboothe5@comcast.net DQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5vdyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4NCg0K LS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IHNoYWQgYmVsbCA8YXZpYXRvcmJlbGxA eWFob28uY29tPg0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNz LmNvbQ0KRGF0ZTogRnJpLCAxMCBKdW4gMjAxMSAwOTo1NjowOSANClRvOiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t U3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBBIGxpdHRsZSB3YXlzIG9mZiB0b3BpYy4uLg0K DQpHcmVhdCBsb29raW5nIGNoaWVmLCBDaGllZi6gIExvb2sgZm9yd2FyZCB0byBzZWVpbmcgaXQg aW4gcGVyc29uLCBob3BlZnVsbHkgdGhpcyBzdW1tZXIgc29tZSB0aW1lLg0KoA0KU2hhZA0KDQot LS0gT24gVGh1LCA2LzkvMTEsIEpvaG4gSG9mbWFubiA8amhvZm1hbm5AcmVlc2dyb3VwaW5jLmNv bT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCg0KRnJvbTogSm9obiBIb2ZtYW5uIDxqaG9mbWFubkByZWVzZ3JvdXBpbmMu Y29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBBIGxpdHRsZSB3YXlzIG9mZiB0b3Bp Yy4uLg0KVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCkRhdGU6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBK dW5lIDksIDIwMTEsIDEwOjE1IFBNDQoNCg0KQmVhdXRpZnVsIERvbi4gUmVhbGx5IE5pY2UuIEkg YmV0IEphY2sgbGlrZXMgdGhlIGNvbG9ycyB0b28uDQoNCg0KLWpvaG4tDQoNCg0KDQoNCkpvaG4g SG9mbWFubg0KVmljZS1QcmVzaWRlbnQsIEluZm9ybWF0aW9uIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kNClRoZSBSZWVz IEdyb3VwLCBJbmMuDQoyNDI0IEFtZXJpY2FuIExhbmUNCk1hZGlzb24sIFdJIDUzNzA0DQpQaG9u ZTogNjA4LjQ0My4yNDY4IGV4dCAxNTANCkZheDogNjA4LjQ0My4yNDc0DQpFbWFpbDqgamhvZm1h bm5AcmVlc2dyb3VwaW5jLmNvbQ0KDQoNCk9uIEp1biA5LCAyMDExLCBhdCA2OjAzIFBNLCBEb24g RW1jaCB3cm90ZToNCg0KDQotLT4gUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJE b24gRW1jaCIgPEVtY2hBaXJAYW9sLmNvbT4NCg0KSSBkb24ndCBtZWFuIHRvIGdldCBhbnlvbmUg dG9vIGJvcmVkIGJ1dCBJIHRob3VnaHQgSSBtaWdodCBwb3N0IGEgY291cGxlIG9mIHZpZGVvcyBv ZiBvdXIgQ2hpZWYgdGhhdCBteSBkYWQgYW5kIEkgcmVjZW50bHkgcmVzdG9yZWQuIKBJZiB5b3Ug a25vdyBteSBQaWV0IHlvdSBtaWdodCByZWNvZ25pemUgdGhlIGZhY3QgdGhhdCBJIGhhZCBzb21l IGxlZnQgb3ZlciBkb3BlLiANCg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy55b3V0dWJlLmNvbS93YXRjaD92PVctd3Ni cjE4U2JNDQoNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj16NnBOWERXVkl4dw0KDQpJ IGNhbid0IGJlbGlldmUgQnJvZGhlYWQgaXMgNiB3ZWVrcyBhd2F5ISCgUGxhbm5pbmcgdG8gdGFr ZSB0aGUgUGlldCB1cCENCg0KRG9uIEVtY2gNCk5YODk5REUNCg0KDQoNCg0KUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRv cGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOg0KDQpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGlj LnBocD9wPTM0MjU0OCMzNDI1NDgNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Life is Good From: gboothe5@comcast.net Walkin the Golden West Fly-in Airshow with my grandson! No Piets...gotta do something about that! Gary Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wrenches From: "jarheadpilot82" Aircraft Spruce has them for sale if you cannot find any to borrow- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nutwrenchs2.php These guys appear to rent them- http://www.hangartoolbox.com/Tools/Cylinder/CylLycomingWide.aspx Hope that helps. [/u] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342642#342642 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:10 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Very nice! There's not enough spittle on your chin from making airplane noises, though. do not archive On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk" > > Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. > > Chuck (in Raleigh) > 989CB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? From: "rvanengen" Both of my sons (age 3 and 6) are VERY eager to go up when the plane is done, only precondition my wife has put is a BRS and seat belts. I like the idea of a climbing harness, though!! :D -------- --Randall N719VE 02xB || !02xB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342646#342646 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Fuse Questions From: "lowell23@msn.com" Thank you, everyone, for your great advice! I greatly appreciate all the tips, tricks, and suggestions that come out here. Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342647#342647 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "Don Emch" Beautiful. Nice shop! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342648#342648 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Way from Home Tom I have heard that there is a Piet at a museum in Bozeman and there is also one in a museum in the Roundup area. That is the one that the Jr HS girls did a couple of years ago. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE To: Matronics Pietenpol List Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long Way from Home Hey you guys. My wife and I are taking a 40th anniversary trip next week to the Bozeman, Montana region. Are there any Air Campers or Sky Scouts near there that I could go visit? My wife is pretty lenient about such things. Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X - finally up on gear ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:57 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Chuck, Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck... Dan On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk" > > Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. > > Chuck (in Raleigh) > 989CB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:02 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Looking really good, Chuck! Are you going to make it to Brodhead this year? Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "Bill Church" Dan, Maybe Chuck just has a short torso, like this guy: BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342654#342654 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_highpants_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wrenches From: Ryan Mueller Be advised, pretty sure the O-290's do not use the internal socket cylinder base nuts, so that particular set from ACS would not be applicable... On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > Aircraft Spruce has them for sale if you cannot find any to borrow- > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nutwrenchs2.php > > These guys appear to rent them- > > http://www.hangartoolbox.com/Tools/Cylinder/CylLycomingWide.aspx > > Hope that helps. > > [/u] > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342642#342642 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: Ryan Mueller Maybe he's just properly sized... :-) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Chuck, > > Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick of > the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck... > > Dan > > > On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk" >> >> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for >> all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods >> received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch >> of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course >> WestCoastPiet.com. >> >> Chuck (in Raleigh) >> 989CB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:55 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! On 06/10/2011 01:31 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Maybe he's just properly sized... :-) I almost tempted to photoshop Andre The Giant sitting in a Pietenpol, now. Almost. do not archive > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Dan Yocum > wrote: > > > > > Chuck, > > Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a > trick of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the > turtledeck... > > Dan > > > On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > "cjborsuk"> > > Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank > you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a > combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the > results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I > could not do this without this resource and of course > WestCoastPiet.com. > > Chuck (in Raleigh) > 989CB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov , http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "Bill Church" Taking a closer look at the photos, the pilot's seat does appear to be lower than the plans indicate. Hopefully there's enough room for the torque tube and cables to fit under there without interference. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342659#342659 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:28 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Way from Home Thanks Dick. I will see if I can find them. Tom do not archive >>> "Dick N" 6/10/2011 1:03 PM >>> Tom I have heard that there is a Piet at a museum in Bozeman and there is also one in a museum in the Roundup area. That is the one that the Jr HS girls did a couple of years ago. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "cjborsuk" Bill - Good eye. I did lower the seat. The opening in the front is right at 3" as called for in the plans. I have not epoxied the seat in yet, and might not until I make sure all the controls fit. The seat back is set back 3 inches from the plans and the turtle deck is raised 2 inches. I am not the biggest guy, but the size and leg room feel great. Jack - I would love to make it to Brodhead this year, but right now I don't think it will happen. Chuck 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342666#342666 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: "aerocarjake" Very nice Chuck.......... the genuine grin says it all............... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342668#342668 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? From: "K5YAC" I can vouch for Don's "5 Year Old" rule... although he is speaking of HIS kids, he took my son (Tyler) up at Brodhead when he was 5 years old. I think Tyler will remember that forever... I know I will. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342678#342678 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:22 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? Please keep in mind=2C while you are making it impossible to unbuckle and g et out=2C if there was an accident=2C I would never want to think that they could not unbuckle and get out of a burning airplane if I was incapacitate d. The first time we took Will flying in the Travel Air=2C at around 3=2C he was trying to get out to wingwalk "like Waldo" (his favorite movie!). T hank goodness it has a two-place front seat and Karen was there to prevent it. My personal vote would be that if the child is young enough for you to be afraid they might unbuckle and get out=2C they are too young to fly alo ne. No one should ever be constrained so that they could not escape. My 2 cents=2C Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? > From: EmchAir@aol.com > Date: Fri=2C 10 Jun 2011 08:19:35 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Steve=2C > > Weaning off of sleep is really a good method... just quitting cold turkey =2C not so good. It took me about three years to really be weaned. I find t hat my airplane time needs to be when Gretchen and the 4 kiddos would rathe r be sleeping. Ryan loves to help me so that does help the situation. But f or the most part my prime airplane working time seems to be early morning =2C which unfortunately means waking up around 3:30-4:00. But when you have an addiction likes this...ya gotta do what ya gotta do... > > As far as the kids flying=2C the older 3 so far have had their very first airplane ride in the Piet at the age of 5. Momma didn't really know about the first one until after=2C which was probably best. For the next two we a greed on 5 years old. Abbey who is 4 is begging. Now that I have the Chief we might have to break the 5 rule. I never have tried to use a car seat. On e thing I was going to do was to make an extra harness to hold them in ther e just in case they got a crazy idea to unbuckle and try to climb out. I ne ver did make it we just practiced and talked about it a lot! I've never had a problem. Although I wouldn't take another kid that young that I wasn't a ble to practice with a lot. > > All in all the kids love it. I have them in a rotation in my logbook for who gets to go next. Flying the kids out to breakfast and to flyins have be en the absolute high point of my 20 years of flying! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Frank Pavliga used to fly with his kids in the back pit with him! YI KES!!! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342614#342614 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:39 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? as for the statement about me=2C nope=2C he JUST turned 7. he has been fly ing in the Travel Air since 3. By himself at 6. Going to the fly-in next weekend at Matt Paxton's alone with me=2C first time. > Date: Fri=2C 10 Jun 2011 08:48:41 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? > > > Steve=2C > > I tried putting a car seat up front once=2C but it wouldn't fit. It was > a forward facing seat - not one of those cradle-type=2C though. > > Ear protection. Young kids that age need good ear protection. You > don't want to damage those sensitive little ear drums. They'll find > enough ways to ignore you later in life=2C you don't need to give them a > valid excuse. =3B-) > > Last summer I sat both of the girls (they were 3 at the time) in the > front seat=2C put ear muffs on 'em=2C and taxied around the airport. They > loved it and Sophie has been asking and asking and asking me and mom to > let her fly with me. Claire isn't so hopped up about it - she's more > tentative than her sister - but she has been talking herself into it. > > I have to admit that the issue about them unbuckling themselves and > jumping out is a concern. For an older kid=2C say 3-4=2C I think the issu e > could be solved by tying a swiss seat rappel harness > (http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Swiss-Seat-Rappel-Harness) and then tie > the other end of the rope to your seat belt. Even if they unbuckled > themselves=2C they wouldn't be able to untie the knots or wiggle out of > the harness. > > Don E. didn't take Ryan flying in his Piet until he was 5. > > Gene R. started taking his son in his Travel Air when he was 7 or 8=2C II RC. > > Larry Vetter's brother took his daughter in his Piet when she was 3. > > The girls are 4 and I hope I can convince mom to let me take them (one > at a time)=2C this summer. > > We'll see... > > Good luck! > Dan > > > PS There is no building airplanes when you've got youngun's. I have no > idea how Don E. did it... > > > > > > On 06/09/2011 11:51 PM=2C Andrew Eldredge wrote: > > The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster > > seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle > > themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it. > > > > Andrew Eldredge > > > > On Thu=2C Jun 9=2C 2011 at 10:13 PM=2C Steve Ruse > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ...because I might need to do that soon. :-) > > > > Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our > > first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman=2C not the Piet). > > I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness > > wasn't near tight enough=2C so we taxied around for a while which he > > enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl > > to fit in the GN-1=2C so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up > > front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could > > just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much. > > > > Also=2C if I do pull that off=2C I need suggestions on (#1) how to get > > my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever > > leave me alone with the kid again. :) > > > > When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly > > Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David > > Jay Perry airport in Goldsby=2C OK). However=2C we took the Saturn=2C > > rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts. > > > > Being a Dad sure is fun=2C but I don't know how you other parents have > > time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean > > myself off sleep entirely. > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov=2C http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:48 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Looks great Chuck! It will be more comfortable if you trim those stringers a bit. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! From: helspersew@aol.com This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He bu ild his airplane per plans, like Bernerd intended. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Chuck, Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick f the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck... Dan n 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk" Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for al l he great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods eceived. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch o f reat people. I could not do this without this resource and of course estCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg -- an Yocum ermilab 630.840.6509 ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:08 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. What kind of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:27 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Nice work Chuck. Are you anywhere Lake Ridge? Ryan M ________________________________ From: cjborsuk Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 11:36:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. Chuck (in Raleigh) 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? From: "Billy McCaskill" I was at the Frasca Fly-In at Urbana, IL today, and saw and orange WACO bipe fly in with a child car seat strapped into the front cockpit. I wasn't close enough to see if there was a child in the car seat or not. But as Gene mentioned, I'd be worried about getting them out if something appened... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342696#342696 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? From: "Billy McCaskill" Here's a picture of the car seat in the front cockpit of the WACO. It's the best one I got, I got this one in between two low-level/ high-speed passes of Frasca's FM-2 Wildcat. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342697#342697 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/waco_car_seat_142.jpg ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:07 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! You mean like these? http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/potty/2.htm http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/05/15/spinning-wing-airliner/ Have you never spun a ruler? I had a link for a wing based on that but it's not there any more. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Watch that! Them spinning wings is fun! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! Not nearly as goofy as flying with a wing that spins.... ;-) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:05 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: It's gonna fly funny with the wing oriented like that... Nice job! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342626#342626 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/10/11 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop From: "Billy McCaskill" Based on the fact that you have 50% more blades with 3 vs. 2, I'd say 50% more thrust and 50% more speed! There won't be another Piet that could keep up with you. ;) do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342701#342701 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.