Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 06/12/11


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 03:47 AM - Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (helspersew@aol.com)
     2. 05:52 AM - Re: prop (Charles Campbell)
     3. 07:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (bubbleboy)
     4. 07:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (bubbleboy)
     5. 08:43 AM - Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
     6. 09:08 AM - Re: Seat back question (Jack Phillips)
     7. 10:29 AM - Re: Seat back question (Gary Boothe)
     8. 11:38 AM - Re: Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
     9. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gary Boothe)
    10. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (Ray Krause)
    11. 01:18 PM - Re: prop (steve emo)
    12. 04:50 PM - Re: Wrenches (Jerry Dotson)
    13. 05:50 PM - Re: Seat back question (helspersew@aol.com)
    14. 06:38 PM - Re: Seat back question (mark lee)
    15. 06:52 PM - Re: Seat back question (mark lee)
    16. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Wrenches (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    17. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
    18. 08:09 PM - Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Facto (ldmill)
    19. 10:19 PM - Re: Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:47:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane
    Factory!
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Hi Dan, Try this place Popsleather.com. Santiago and I found them in the flymarket at OSH a few years ago. Unbelievable low prices and great quality. They sai d every piece was made to order in Turkey. BTW it doesn't look like the pri ce has gone up since I bought mine. To my eye the quality is superb and I a m very happy with mine. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 10:10 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! That's one handsome fellow. And he's got a great first name! ;-) Say, where did you get that spiffy helmet? I don't like mine very much it sits too high on my head and isn't snug around my forehead. Thanks, an n 06/10/2011 07:15 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He build his airplane /per plans/, like Bernerd intended. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>> Chuck, Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck... Dan On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk"<cjborsuk@yahoo.com mailto:cjborsuk@yahoo.com>> > > Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com. > > Chuck (in Raleigh) > 989CB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small9_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>,http://fermigrid.fnal.gov http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- an Yocum ermilab 630.840.6509 ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:52:33 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: prop
    When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop Charles, Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop, three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness than bite through the air. Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade, the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a hurry. My .02 cents worth.... KMHeide --- On Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM <cncampbell@windstream.net> It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation. The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance. As one on the list says, "My 2 cents." ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop <airlion@bellsouth.net> > > Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. What kind > of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner > > > matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronic; -->


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:13:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    Here are more of the pics I took. -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342778#342778 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1312_640x480_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1311_640x480_160.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1310_640x480_258.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1309_640x480_162.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1308_640x480_990.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1307_640x480_190.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1306_640x480_672.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1305_640x480_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1303_640x480_665.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1302_640x480_127.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1301_640x480_258.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1300_480x640_210.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1299_480x640_187.jpg


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:19:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    ...and more... -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342779#342779 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1318_640x480_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1317_640x480_636.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1316_640x480_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1315_640x480_972.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1314_640x480_816.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1313_480x640_188.jpg


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:43:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Seat back question
    From: "tdudley@umn.edu" <tdudley@umn.edu>
    Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? Thanks. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:08:38 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Seat back question
    Tom, The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back, thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the plans show them. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? Thanks. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:29:22 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    Tom, Mine is not flying, yet, but as Jack said, and as you have mentioned, either seems acceptable (unless one is a Purist!). Hopefully, you can open the attached, which is a close-up of Charlie Miller's Piet. I apologize for not having a better picture, but down at the far left bottom, you can just see the corner of the nicely done seat-back padding that Charlie installed. It fits well between those braces. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:06 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Tom, The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back, thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the plans show them. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? Thanks. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:38:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    From: "tdudley@umn.edu" <tdudley@umn.edu>
    Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else. As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I've asked, myself.) Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller so they are easier to see!) Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342793#342793 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_040_818.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_043_166.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_042_125.jpg


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:08:45 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    Tom, Your woodwork looks nice and clean...and you have the rear ash x-member correctly positioned!! Carry on.... Gary do not archive -----Original Message----- From: tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else. As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I've asked, myself.) Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller so they are easier to see!) Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342793#342793 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_040_818.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_043_166.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_pics_june_042_125.jpg


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:47:21 PM PST US
    From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
    Scotty, I would certainly appreciate more photos, since I am slowly building a Sky Scout. You can send them to me directly at: Raykrause@frontiernet.net. Thanks for the effort, sure do appreciate it. Thanks and fly SAFELY, Ray Krause Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 246 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! > <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> > > With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in > the next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If > its of any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one > wants. > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 26 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342710#342710 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1328_640x480_206.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1304_640x480_111.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1298_640x480_550.jpg > > >


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:18:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: prop
    From: steve emo <steve.emo58@gmail.com>
    Charles, I've spent a lot of time lately studying prop design and selection. I my opinion the first things is to transfer as much horsepower from the engine to thrust. Thrust is life. To do that it depends on the fundamental parameters: engine speed, prop diameter, and aircraft speed. Without going into the physics and math babble lets just leave it at these 3 terms define the advance ratio and a compressibility limitation. Now with that said you need to look at the prop diameter with great care. This is the most important factor. Lift is a function of the velocity squared. The efficiency is greatly affected by the diameter. You want to swing the prop tip as fast as possible - but within some practical limits - for wood 850 ft/s - for metal 950 ft/s to 1050 ft/s. As a rule of thumb you will suffer a 30-50% reduction in thrust by a 20% reduction in diameter. Basically you will be burning gas and making engine noise to spin a funny shaped flywheel. I recently went through a design for an old OX-5 that will consume 90HP bu only deliver 45HP because the wood prop is 20in shorter that the system would ideally want. But it'll sound great! Three blades makes more sense with increased aircraft speed, decreased ground clearance, and increased engine RPM, or some combination of these factors. As with all things it is a compromise. If you want max thrust out of your engine you must have the tip speed near their limits. Steve On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net > wrote: > When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane > would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the > noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: prop > > Charles, > > Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed > many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall > out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop, > three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent > with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the > adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness than > bite through the air. > > Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade, > the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so > make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a > hurry. My .02 cents worth.... > > KMHeide > * > * > ** > > > --- On *Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>* wrote: > > > From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM > > cncampbell@windstream.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cncampbell@windstream.net> > > > > It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane > stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not > sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in > the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better > efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation. > The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So > putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance. > As one on the list says, "My 2 cents." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=airlion@bellsouth.net> > > > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop > > > > > > > > Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. > What kind > > of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner > > > > > > > matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronic; > --> > > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > >


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:50:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wrenches
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    John I made my wrenches by heating and bending regular wrenches and when I got them shaped like I wanted them then I "shade tree" heat treated them so they wouldn't bend. Worked for me. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342819#342819


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:50:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Tom, Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (O f course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. ( Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next schedu led opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question et> Tom, The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back, hinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit assenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never ouch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the lans show them. Jack Phillips X899JP "Icarus Plummet" mith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dudley@umn.edu ent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Las t ight (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the osition of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in he fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces poxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the assenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and rom my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the lywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources how it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, ut. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? s there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there re as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? Thanks. Tom ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:38:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    From: mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com>
    Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back padding. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote: > Tom, > > Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that > the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (Of > course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. > (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next > scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question > > > Tom, > > The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back, > thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit > passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never > touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the > plans show them. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Oftdudley@umn.edu > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question > > > Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last > night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the > position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in > the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. > > My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces > epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the > passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and > from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the > plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources > show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, > but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? > Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there > are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783 > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > >


    Message 15


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:52:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    From: mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com>
    Let me put it another way.If the braces were to form a shallow pan to hold a thin pad in place it would make a lot of sense to me. On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:35 PM, mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com> wrote: > Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back > padding. > > > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume >> that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. >> (Of course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. >> (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next >> scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> >> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question >> >> >> Tom, >> >> The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back, >> thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit >> passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never >> touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the >> plans show them. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Oftdudley@umn.edu >> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question >> >> >> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last >> night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the >> position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in >> the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. >> >> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces >> epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the >> passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and >> from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the >> plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources >> show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, >> but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? >> Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there >> are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> p://forums.matronics.com >> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >


    Message 16


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:00:18 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Wrenches
    Jerry I thought of doing thet if I couldn't find a set but I really hate bending up my wrenches, I guess I could have gone to HF for a set of their rubber wrenches and bend them up. But if I can borrow a set all the better and if not I'll buy a real set.or bend me some new hf specials. Thanks John


    Message 17


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:54:17 PM PST US
    From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    Tom, Your work looks great. You may want to consider cutting the top of the pilot leg holes higher. Almost for sure you will want them higher the first time you sit in the pilot seat and they will be easier to cut now, I learned that the hard way. Skip > [Original Message] > From: tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: 6/12/2011 2:39:34 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question > > > Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else. > > As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I've asked, myself.) > > Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller so they are easier to see!) > > Tom


    Message 18


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:09:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane
    Facto
    From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller@emerson.com>
    I got my Popsleather helmet last fall and absolutely love it! Custom fit for no additional price. Even got one of their wallets as well. Would recommend these folks to anybody. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342843#342843


    Message 19


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:19:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Seat back question
    From: "tdudley@umn.edu" <tdudley@umn.edu>
    Skip (and Gary), Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice). Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342844#342844




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   pietenpol-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list
  • Browse Pietenpol-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --