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1. 03:47 AM - Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: prop (Charles Campbell)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (bubbleboy)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (bubbleboy)
5. 08:43 AM - Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
6. 09:08 AM - Re: Seat back question (Jack Phillips)
7. 10:29 AM - Re: Seat back question (Gary Boothe)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
9. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gary Boothe)
10. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (Ray Krause)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: prop (steve emo)
12. 04:50 PM - Re: Wrenches (Jerry Dotson)
13. 05:50 PM - Re: Seat back question (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 06:38 PM - Re: Seat back question (mark lee)
15. 06:52 PM - Re: Seat back question (mark lee)
16. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Wrenches (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
18. 08:09 PM - Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Facto (ldmill)
19. 10:19 PM - Re: Seat back question (tdudley@umn.edu)
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| Subject: | Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane |
Factory!
Hi Dan,
Try this place Popsleather.com. Santiago and I found them in the flymarket
at OSH a few years ago. Unbelievable low prices and great quality. They sai
d every piece was made to order in Turkey. BTW it doesn't look like the pri
ce has gone up since I bought mine. To my eye the quality is superb and I a
m very happy with mine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
That's one handsome fellow. And he's got a great first name!
;-)
Say, where did you get that spiffy helmet? I don't like mine very much
it sits too high on my head and isn't snug around my forehead.
Thanks,
an
n 06/10/2011 07:15 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He
build his airplane /per plans/, like Bernerd intended.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov
mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>>
Chuck,
Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick
of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck...
Dan
On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
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>
> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for
all
the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch
of
great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
WestCoastPiet.com.
>
> Chuck (in Raleigh)
> 989CB
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When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane
would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the
noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>)
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
Charles,
Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I
discussed many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade.
The overall out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop
and a quiet prop, three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through
the air is more efficent with a two blade prop than a three blade prop.
However, even based on the adjustable pitch you get a some differences
but more on the smoothness than bite through the air.
Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the
two blade, the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you
throttle back so make sure you are over the fence line as it will
decrease your speed in a hurry. My .02 cents worth....
KMHeide
--- On Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a
airplane stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is
not sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research
done in the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to
get better efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an
unbalance situation. The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less
efficient the prop. So putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would
probably reduce the performance. As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
<airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered
pietenpol. What kind
> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Here are more of the pics I took.
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
...and more...
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Seat back question |
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night
(way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position
of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse,
and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed
to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit.
Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics
last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's
cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads
me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go
in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage
to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as
there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Seat back question |
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
plans show them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley@umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom,
Mine is not flying, yet, but as Jack said, and as you have mentioned, either
seems acceptable (unless one is a Purist!). Hopefully, you can open the
attached, which is a close-up of Charlie Miller's Piet. I apologize for not
having a better picture, but down at the far left bottom, you can just see
the corner of the nicely done seat-back padding that Charlie installed. It
fits well between those braces.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
plans show them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley@umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly;
truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doing
something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to glue
the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere with
a cable or metal fitting or something else.
As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" and
I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I've
asked, myself.)
Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back and
spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller so
they are easier to see!)
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom,
Your woodwork looks nice and clean...and you have the rear ash x-member
correctly positioned!! Carry on....
Gary
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: tdudley@umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist",
exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned
about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd
hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they
might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else.
As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old
hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the
questions I've asked, myself.)
Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back
and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures
smaller so they are easier to see!)
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Scotty,
I would certainly appreciate more photos, since I am slowly building a Sky
Scout. You can send them to me directly at: Raykrause@frontiernet.net.
Thanks for the effort, sure do appreciate it.
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin
Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 246 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
> <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in
> the next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If
> its of any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one
> wants.
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 26 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342710#342710
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Charles,
I've spent a lot of time lately studying prop design and selection. I my
opinion the first things is to transfer as much horsepower from the engine
to thrust. Thrust is life. To do that it depends on the fundamental
parameters: engine speed, prop diameter, and aircraft speed. Without going
into the physics and math babble lets just leave it at these 3 terms define
the advance ratio and a compressibility limitation. Now with that said you
need to look at the prop diameter with great care. This is the most
important factor. Lift is a function of the velocity squared. The
efficiency is greatly affected by the diameter. You want to swing the prop
tip as fast as possible - but within some practical limits - for wood 850
ft/s - for metal 950 ft/s to 1050 ft/s. As a rule of thumb you will suffer
a 30-50% reduction in thrust by a 20% reduction in diameter. Basically you
will be burning gas and making engine noise to spin a funny shaped
flywheel. I recently went through a design for an old OX-5 that will
consume 90HP bu only deliver 45HP because the wood prop is 20in shorter that
the system would ideally want. But it'll sound great!
Three blades makes more sense with increased aircraft speed, decreased
ground clearance, and increased engine RPM, or some combination of these
factors. As with all things it is a compromise. If you want max thrust
out of your engine you must have the tip speed near their limits.
Steve
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net
> wrote:
> When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane
> would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the
> noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
> Charles,
>
> Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed
> many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall
> out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop,
> three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent
> with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the
> adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness than
> bite through the air.
>
> Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade,
> the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so
> make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a
> hurry. My .02 cents worth....
>
> KMHeide
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
>
> cncampbell@windstream.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cncampbell@windstream.net>
> >
>
> It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane
> stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not
> sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in
> the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better
> efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation.
> The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So
> putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance.
> As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=airlion@bellsouth.net>
> >
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
>
> >
> >
> > Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol.
> What kind
> > of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
> >
> >
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John I made my wrenches by heating and bending regular wrenches and when I got
them shaped like I wanted them then I "shade tree" heat treated them so they wouldn't
bend. Worked for me.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom,
Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that
the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (O
f course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. (
Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next schedu
led opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
et>
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
hinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
assenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
ouch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
lans show them.
Jack Phillips
X899JP "Icarus Plummet"
mith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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dudley@umn.edu
ent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Las
t
ight (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
osition of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
he fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
poxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
assenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
rom my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
lywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
how it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
ut. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
s there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
re as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back
padding.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that
> the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (Of
> course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons.
> (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next
> scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>
>
> Tom,
>
> The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
> thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
> passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
> touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
> plans show them.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Oftdudley@umn.edu
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>
>
> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
> night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
> position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
> the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
>
> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
> epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
> passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
> from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
> plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
> show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
> but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
> Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
> are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Let me put it another way.If the braces were to form a shallow pan to hold a
thin pad in place it would make a lot of sense to me.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:35 PM, mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back
> padding.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume
>> that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside.
>> (Of course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons.
>> (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next
>> scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
>> thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
>> passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
>> touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
>> plans show them.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?>] On Behalf Oftdudley@umn.edu
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>>
>>
>> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
>> night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
>> position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
>> the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
>>
>> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
>> epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
>> passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
>> from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
>> plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
>> show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
>> but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
>> Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
>> are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783
>>
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Jerry
I thought of doing thet if I couldn't find a set but I really hate bending
up my wrenches, I guess I could have gone to HF for a set of their rubber
wrenches and bend them up. But if I can borrow a set all the better and if
not I'll buy a real set.or bend me some new hf specials.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom, Your work looks great. You may want to consider cutting the top of the
pilot leg holes higher. Almost for sure you will want them higher the first
time you sit in the pilot seat and they will be easier to cut now, I
learned that the hard way.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/12/2011 2:39:34 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
>
>
> Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist",
exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more
concerned about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily
fix it. I'd hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now
that they might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else.
>
> As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old
hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the
questions I've asked, myself.)
>
> Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat
back and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures
smaller so they are easier to see!)
>
> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane |
Facto
I got my Popsleather helmet last fall and absolutely love it! Custom fit for no
additional price. Even got one of their wallets as well. Would recommend these
folks to anybody.
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plans
but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I used
my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she has
a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice).
Tom
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