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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Seat back question (Gene Rambo)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gboothe5)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Jack Phillips)
5. 09:40 AM - Re: Seat back question (Catdesigns)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Seat back question (Ryan Mueller)
7. 11:18 AM - Off subject-- B-17 crash (Timothy Willis)
8. 11:47 AM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Jack Phillips)
9. 11:51 AM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (K5YAC)
10. 11:54 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (rvanengen)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (shad bell)
12. 02:17 PM - Flying & Glider Manual (K5YAC)
13. 02:41 PM - First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church)
14. 03:04 PM - Handy info Re: AN Hardware (Bill Church)
15. 04:05 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Gene Rambo)
16. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gene Rambo)
17. 04:20 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Andrew Eldredge)
18. 04:28 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (shad bell)
19. 04:33 PM - B17/Blimp (mark lee)
20. 04:39 PM - B17 /Blimp Off TOPIC (mark lee)
21. 05:01 PM - Re: Handy info Re: AN Hardware (Gboothe5)
22. 08:36 PM - Seat back question (Oscar Zuniga)
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Subject: | Seat back question |
with the seat back braces on the front=2C you can attach the seat padding d
irectly to them (think row of round-headed furniture upholstery tacks) with
out having the expense of having a cushion made. At least that is how I am
doing it. Somewhere in the building process I thought I saw a real reason
for putting on the front=2C but I forget what it was.
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
> From: tdudley@umn.edu
> Date: Sun=2C 12 Jun 2011 08:40:17 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Hey all=2C just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs.
Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlin
ed the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nice
ly in the fuse=2C and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things
epoxied.
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> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passe
nger cockpit. Of course=2C the first picture I looked at on-line (and from
my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood
and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it
both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter=2C but. . .
to plans=2C the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit)=2C right? Is
there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are
as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom, I think I just eyeballed mine when I re cut. Just measured and the new
diameter is 3 3/8". I found a contact cement can in the shop that size,
think I will use it to true up the curve.
Skip
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> From: tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/13/2011 1:21:01 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
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> maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them
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> Tom
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been
much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on
the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...
Gary
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to
plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen
them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep);
maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of
doing on your advice).
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Make the cutouts as big as you can. As Pieti Lowell about what that
bulkhead can do to your shins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been
much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on
the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley@umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to
plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen
them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep);
maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of
doing on your advice).
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
I put mine on the back and ran the braces to the top of the longeron (if installed
on the front they go under the longeron). This put the braces in the exact
location where I needed to install the rear Inside Center Strut Fitting and
I ended up cutting the top and adding a wedge of spruce to take the loads. Im
betting that that this is the reason they are on the front.
In retrospect, I wish I would have put mine on the front and added a cushion between
them.
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Purity, I think it was ;-)
Ryan
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On Jun 13, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
with the seat back braces on the front, you can attach the seat padding
directly to them (think row of round-headed furniture upholstery tacks)
without having the expense of having a cushion made. At least that is how I
am doing it. Somewhere in the building process I thought I saw a real
reason for putting on the front, but I forget what it was.
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
> From: tdudley@umn.edu
> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:40:17 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs.
Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and
outlined the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits
nicely in the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get
things epoxied.
>
> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but.
. . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is
there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are
as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
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> Thanks.
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> Tom
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783
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Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast.
There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good
news is that all walked away from the forced landing.
Tim in central TX
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278
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Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
This was Liberty Belle. Glad all escaped, and it sounds like the pilot did
everything he could to save it, but the engine fire that brought it down
burned the entire airplane up.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Willis
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash
This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast.
There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good
news is that all walked away from the forced landing.
Tim in central TX
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278
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Subject: | Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash |
Yep, bummer. This one is owned by The Liberty Foundation in Florida. Unless there
have been several made airworthy recently, this was one of only a dozen airworthy
B-17s in the US... there are now only 13 worldwide.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Scotty,
Excellent pics!! I hope he gets the time to get that plane flying again!
Can I second Jim's request for a picture showing more detail about that "Step"
shown in pic "IMG_1307.jpg"?
Thanks!!
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N719VE
02xB || !02xB
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Subject: | Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash |
The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day, A
nd by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a fiel
d, try that with a modern day boeing!
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Shad
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Subject: | Flying & Glider Manual |
The 1932 and 1933 Flying & Glider manuals are on sale (40% off) if anyone is interested.
http://www.eaa.org/megamall/dotw.asp
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
For those in or around Southern Ontario (that's Ontario, Canada, not Ontario California),
there will be a Pietenpol event happening this Saturday (June 18, 2011).
For 20 consecutive years, the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic was graciously hosted by
the Armstrong family, at their grass strip, in rural Brussels, Ontario. 2009
was the last one, and last year, 2010, for the first time in over 20 years, there
was no Pietenpol Picnic. But this year, the tradition continues, at a new
location.
The first annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic will be hosted by Brian Kenney and
his wife Hope, at their farm, just a little north of Hamilton. Following is the
pertinent information:
The relocated Pietenpol Picnic will be held next Saturday June 18 at the Kenney's
farm at 374 Concession 7E in Flamborough(Hamilton). It will run from 10:00
a.m. to dusk. There will be food available for lunch. Camping is available for
friday and saturday night and there is plenty of floor space in the house for
those who would like to bring an air mattress and sleeping bags. Please bring
lawn chairs if you can.
There is a 3000 foot grass strip available that is 14/32 and is protected by trees
to the west. Aircraft parking will be on the north end of the strip and on
the west side of the strip on the south end. Both downwinds are on the east side
of the runway. Suggested arrival procedure is to fly 140 degrees from the
Carlise water tower following Center road. Past the golf course, between the 7
and 6 concessions turn left 90 degrees (east) and over fly the field. The wind
sock is opposite the yellow roof buidling. Turn left or right to join the mid
downwind. From center road the strip can to hard to see because of the trees.
Suggest touchdowns be on the wide south end of the of the strip.
To get there by road turn east bound on the 7E Concession from highway 6. This
is between Millgrove and Freelton (just south of Ken Gamble's place). Drive to
center road and continue to the railway tracks. Our driveway is the second one
on the south side (right) past the railroad tracks.
Brian and Hope Kenney
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Subject: | Handy info re: AN Hardware |
Here's a handy quick rundown on the differences between "Aircraft" bolts and other
bolts.
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/AircraftHardware.html
That's why they're worth the extra money.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
great job? I don't know=2C they used to fly from Berlin to England with an
engine burning=2C he couldn't find a runway in that area? What brought it
down??
Gene
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From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash
The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day=2C
And by the way=2C he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a
field=2C try that with a modern day boeing!
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
That's it! On the back they interfere with the cabane fitting!! I knew I
saw a reason.
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
> From: Catdesigns@att.net
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Jun 2011 09:37:27 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> I put mine on the back and ran the braces to the top of the longeron (if
installed on the front they go under the longeron). This put the braces in
the exact location where I needed to install the rear =9CInside Cente
r Strut Fitting=9D and I ended up cutting the top and adding a wedge
of spruce to take the loads. I=99m betting that that this is the reas
on they are on the front.
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> In retrospect=2C I wish I would have put mine on the front and added a cu
shion between them.
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> Sacramento=2C CA
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Subject: | Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash |
I thought I read Cockpit fire...
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> great job? I don't know, they used to fly from Berlin to England with an
> engine burning, he couldn't find a runway in that area? What brought it
> down??
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> Gene
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:31:24 -0700
> From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another
> day, And by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a
> field, try that with a modern day boeing!
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Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
Gravity I suppose. I don't know if the fire was spreading rapidly or what i
t was, seems like he was in a big hurry to get it on the ground.
Shad
--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
great job?- I don't know, they used to fly from Berlin to England with an
engine burning, he couldn't find a runway in that area?- What brought it
down??
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Gene
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From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash
The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day, A
nd by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a fiel
d, try that with a modern day boeing!
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Shad
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I read fire in cockpit was called in to the tower.One thing for sure,he
would never have put it into that field if he saw any other option.Every one
walked away and that was his main duty.The blimp that was leased to Goodyear
in Germany was sure tragic, but he saved his passengers.Sounds like some
sort of fuel leak caused it.
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Subject: | B17 /Blimp Off TOPIC |
Sorry I forgot to write Do not archive on that post.
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Subject: | Handy info re: AN Hardware |
I have that program...Love it!!
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handy info re: AN Hardware
Here's a handy quick rundown on the differences between "Aircraft" bolts and
other bolts.
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/AircraftHardware.html
That's why they're worth the extra money.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Seat back question |
Tom;
Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One, I
concur with others who have recommended that you open up the
leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're
climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two, it's easy
to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.
Three, you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch
in the diagonal upright on the port side, to clear the bar that
links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard
over to port.
All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up
to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and
framing on my Piet, here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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