---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/13/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Seat back question (Gene Rambo) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gboothe5) 4. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Jack Phillips) 5. 09:40 AM - Re: Seat back question (Catdesigns) 6. 10:31 AM - Re: Seat back question (Ryan Mueller) 7. 11:18 AM - Off subject-- B-17 crash (Timothy Willis) 8. 11:47 AM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Jack Phillips) 9. 11:51 AM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (K5YAC) 10. 11:54 AM - Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! (rvanengen) 11. 01:34 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (shad bell) 12. 02:17 PM - Flying & Glider Manual (K5YAC) 13. 02:41 PM - First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church) 14. 03:04 PM - Handy info Re: AN Hardware (Bill Church) 15. 04:05 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Gene Rambo) 16. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Seat back question (Gene Rambo) 17. 04:20 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (Andrew Eldredge) 18. 04:28 PM - Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash (shad bell) 19. 04:33 PM - B17/Blimp (mark lee) 20. 04:39 PM - B17 /Blimp Off TOPIC (mark lee) 21. 05:01 PM - Re: Handy info Re: AN Hardware (Gboothe5) 22. 08:36 PM - Seat back question (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:00 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question with the seat back braces on the front=2C you can attach the seat padding d irectly to them (think row of round-headed furniture upholstery tacks) with out having the expense of having a cushion made. At least that is how I am doing it. Somewhere in the building process I thought I saw a real reason for putting on the front=2C but I forget what it was. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question > From: tdudley@umn.edu > Date: Sun=2C 12 Jun 2011 08:40:17 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hey all=2C just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlin ed the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nice ly in the fuse=2C and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. > > My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passe nger cockpit. Of course=2C the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter=2C but. . . to plans=2C the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit)=2C right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:35 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question Tom, I think I just eyeballed mine when I re cut. Just measured and the new diameter is 3 3/8". I found a contact cement can in the shop that size, think I will use it to true up the curve. Skip > [Original Message] > From: tdudley@umn.edu > To: > Date: 6/13/2011 1:21:01 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question > > maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them > > Tom ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:40 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question Skip (and Gary), Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice). Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342844#342844 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question Make the cutouts as big as you can. As Pieti Lowell about what that bulkhead can do to your shins. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:25 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question Skip (and Gary), Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice). Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342844#342844 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question From: "Catdesigns" I put mine on the back and ran the braces to the top of the longeron (if installed on the front they go under the longeron). This put the braces in the exact location where I needed to install the rear Inside Center Strut Fitting and I ended up cutting the top and adding a wedge of spruce to take the loads. Im betting that that this is the reason they are on the front. In retrospect, I wish I would have put mine on the front and added a cushion between them. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342868#342868 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:32 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Purity, I think it was ;-) Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: with the seat back braces on the front, you can attach the seat padding directly to them (think row of round-headed furniture upholstery tacks) without having the expense of having a cushion made. At least that is how I am doing it. Somewhere in the building process I thought I saw a real reason for putting on the front, but I forget what it was. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question > From: tdudley@umn.edu > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:40:17 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied. > > My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders? > > Thanks. > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783 > > &============= > > * * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash From: Timothy Willis This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast. There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good news is that all walked away from the forced landing. Tim in central TX http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash This was Liberty Belle. Glad all escaped, and it sounds like the pilot did everything he could to save it, but the engine fire that brought it down burned the entire airplane up. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Willis Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast. There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good news is that all walked away from the forced landing. Tim in central TX http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash From: "K5YAC" Yep, bummer. This one is owned by The Liberty Foundation in Florida. Unless there have been several made airworthy recently, this was one of only a dozen airworthy B-17s in the US... there are now only 13 worldwide. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342874#342874 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! From: "rvanengen" Scotty, Excellent pics!! I hope he gets the time to get that plane flying again! Can I second Jim's request for a picture showing more detail about that "Step" shown in pic "IMG_1307.jpg"? Thanks!! -------- --Randall N719VE 02xB || !02xB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342877#342877 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:07 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day, A nd by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a fiel d, try that with a modern day boeing! - Shad ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying & Glider Manual From: "K5YAC" The 1932 and 1933 Flying & Glider manuals are on sale (40% off) if anyone is interested. http://www.eaa.org/megamall/dotw.asp -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342886#342886 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic From: "Bill Church" For those in or around Southern Ontario (that's Ontario, Canada, not Ontario California), there will be a Pietenpol event happening this Saturday (June 18, 2011). For 20 consecutive years, the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic was graciously hosted by the Armstrong family, at their grass strip, in rural Brussels, Ontario. 2009 was the last one, and last year, 2010, for the first time in over 20 years, there was no Pietenpol Picnic. But this year, the tradition continues, at a new location. The first annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic will be hosted by Brian Kenney and his wife Hope, at their farm, just a little north of Hamilton. Following is the pertinent information: The relocated Pietenpol Picnic will be held next Saturday June 18 at the Kenney's farm at 374 Concession 7E in Flamborough(Hamilton). It will run from 10:00 a.m. to dusk. There will be food available for lunch. Camping is available for friday and saturday night and there is plenty of floor space in the house for those who would like to bring an air mattress and sleeping bags. Please bring lawn chairs if you can. There is a 3000 foot grass strip available that is 14/32 and is protected by trees to the west. Aircraft parking will be on the north end of the strip and on the west side of the strip on the south end. Both downwinds are on the east side of the runway. Suggested arrival procedure is to fly 140 degrees from the Carlise water tower following Center road. Past the golf course, between the 7 and 6 concessions turn left 90 degrees (east) and over fly the field. The wind sock is opposite the yellow roof buidling. Turn left or right to join the mid downwind. From center road the strip can to hard to see because of the trees. Suggest touchdowns be on the wide south end of the of the strip. To get there by road turn east bound on the 7E Concession from highway 6. This is between Millgrove and Freelton (just south of Ken Gamble's place). Drive to center road and continue to the railway tracks. Our driveway is the second one on the south side (right) past the railroad tracks. Brian and Hope Kenney Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342888#342888 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handy info re: AN Hardware From: "Bill Church" Here's a handy quick rundown on the differences between "Aircraft" bolts and other bolts. http://www.mechanicsupport.com/AircraftHardware.html That's why they're worth the extra money. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342893#342893 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:43 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash great job? I don't know=2C they used to fly from Berlin to England with an engine burning=2C he couldn't find a runway in that area? What brought it down?? Gene do not archive From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day=2C And by the way=2C he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a field=2C try that with a modern day boeing! Shad ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:24 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question That's it! On the back they interfere with the cabane fitting!! I knew I saw a reason. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question > From: Catdesigns@att.net > Date: Mon=2C 13 Jun 2011 09:37:27 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I put mine on the back and ran the braces to the top of the longeron (if installed on the front they go under the longeron). This put the braces in the exact location where I needed to install the rear =9CInside Cente r Strut Fitting=9D and I ended up cutting the top and adding a wedge of spruce to take the loads. I=99m betting that that this is the reas on they are on the front. > > In retrospect=2C I wish I would have put mine on the front and added a cu shion between them. > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento=2C CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342868#342868 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash From: Andrew Eldredge I thought I read Cockpit fire... On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > great job? I don't know, they used to fly from Berlin to England with an > engine burning, he couldn't find a runway in that area? What brought it > down?? > > Gene > do not archive > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:31:24 -0700 > From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another > day, And by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a > field, try that with a modern day boeing! > > Shad > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:27 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash Gravity I suppose. I don't know if the fire was spreading rapidly or what i t was, seems like he was in a big hurry to get it on the ground. Shad --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Gene Rambo wrote: great job?- I don't know, they used to fly from Berlin to England with an engine burning, he couldn't find a runway in that area?- What brought it down?? - Gene do not archive - From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day, A nd by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a fiel d, try that with a modern day boeing! - Shad st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: B17/Blimp From: mark lee I read fire in cockpit was called in to the tower.One thing for sure,he would never have put it into that field if he saw any other option.Every one walked away and that was his main duty.The blimp that was leased to Goodyear in Germany was sure tragic, but he saved his passengers.Sounds like some sort of fuel leak caused it. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: B17 /Blimp Off TOPIC From: mark lee Sorry I forgot to write Do not archive on that post. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:48 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handy info re: AN Hardware I have that program...Love it!! Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handy info re: AN Hardware Here's a handy quick rundown on the differences between "Aircraft" bolts and other bolts. http://www.mechanicsupport.com/AircraftHardware.html That's why they're worth the extra money. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342893#342893 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:03 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Tom; Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One, I concur with others who have recommended that you open up the leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two, it's easy to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet. Three, you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch in the diagonal upright on the port side, to clear the bar that links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard over to port. All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and framing on my Piet, here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.