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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Piet fly-in at Centerburg (Matthew VanDervort)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jack)
3. 04:41 AM - Lost and found (Lawrence Williams)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out (Ben Charvet)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle)
6. 06:52 AM - Re: West Coast Gathering (AircamperN11MS)
7. 07:08 AM - Re: Lost and found (Michael Perez)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Michael Perez)
9. 07:18 AM - Re: Seat back question (Michael Perez)
10. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out (Jack Phillips)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (kevinpurtee)
12. 08:26 AM - Re: Lost and found (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
13. 09:40 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Jim Boyer)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jim Boyer)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Ken Bickers)
17. 10:19 AM - Re: Lost and found (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Barry Davis)
19. 12:11 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (kevinpurtee)
20. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (steve emo)
21. 12:29 PM - Re: Lost and found (Dan Yocum)
22. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever)
23. 02:19 PM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle)
24. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
25. 06:28 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Jack)
26. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (steve emo)
27. 08:40 PM - Local builders southern California (Oscar Zuniga)
28. 08:47 PM - negative G loading for Piet wing (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 09:29 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Ken Bickers)
30. 09:39 PM - Re: Local builders southern California (Michael Groah)
31. 09:51 PM - Re: negative G loading for Piet wing (mark lee)
32. 10:04 PM - johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
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Subject: | Re: Piet fly-in at Centerburg |
Shad,
Im helping my lil' Sis move to c-bus
Friday and plan on Having my ducati there saturday!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, a
nd Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is p
lanning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday. Hope you can make
it. Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, if he wo
uld want to fly down for the day on Saturday.
>
> Shad
> p.s. I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane!
>
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Jim,
Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of
pictures.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
HI Shad,
I got some #50 links from Home Depot a couple of months ago as I started
getting parts together to make cables.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot
around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody
seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have
hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know
about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and
returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory
serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and
I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings,
drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much
trouble.
Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a
Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the
stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items
myself. Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home
airport, and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar
floor for years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts
are plentiful, but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work
and parts to get it where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
Corvair. You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for
a battery, electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is
also a hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
83 hours since 2/2010
On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
>
> I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up
front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
>
>
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
You might want to bring a U-Haul....
Actually, I could use some help sanding....
Come on!!!!
JM
do not archive there's enough evidence already
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams
Sent: Jun 15, 2011 6:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot
around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody
seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched
a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about
it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory
serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and
I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings,
drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much
trouble.
Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will
bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself.
Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Gathering |
Thanks John for the nice words. It was great to meet you. I also enjoyed your
visit here. Next time you are in town I'll meet you at your place of business
for lunch, you can show me Pics of your project.
Sorry for the late reply but I have been out on a short vacation in the 5th wheel
and just return this morning. Wife and I both got sick. Oh well, It's still
nice to get away.
OK, Back to work.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Ah, well...I need a C-85/90. If He has one of either of those around, claim it
is mine and grab it!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Another thing you may already know about the swage fittings, they use a spe
cial small clip to lock them in place as opposed to safety wire. The clips
weigh next to nothing and are a "snap" to remove and reinstall.- The over
all assembly when finished is quite nice.
-
As noted, the issue is cost of the parts and locating a swager.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Thank you Mark. That picture is actually a "work in progress" picture. The now
finished product is even nicer. (MY opinion...which means nothing.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
Do it. One of the best engines ever made. And they almost never snap their
crankshafts, unlike some other Air Camper powerplants.
Seriously, it will cost about the same to overhaul a Continetnal 65 as you
would put into converting a Corvair with the 5th bearing and all the other
things that need to be done to the Corvair to give it some semblance of
reliability. The Covair does have more power, but its prop turns the wrong
direction.
If you weigh more than 200 lbs you might need more power and should consider
a C-85 , C-90, or O-200.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley@umn.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put
up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
For Jim - I actually used stock motorcycle links and there are no provisions for
cotter keys. Looks like a good solution, though, with the right hardware.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Jim,
My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten a
life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to
trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but
nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends,
I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all
to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be
identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if
memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went
missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as
well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited
away without much trouble.
Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during
a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will
bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small
items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Jim,
Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of pictures.
Jack
DSM
Hi Jack,
Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the fitting
with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't figured on the
two cable loops interfering with each other.
thanks,
Jim B.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
hahahahahaha....yeah and just watch....something will be missing from MY shop when
Larry leaves....!!!!
And I get blamed! No matter what!!! :-)
Hey, I just finished up the leading edge 1/16" ply...that has been sitting for
several years...Larry can ALSO leave with some sore muscles from showing me how
to sand the LE profile....I need help...I need help... :-)
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
Jim,
My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten a
life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to
trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but
nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I
have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to
know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be
identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry
a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor
and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand
and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can
probably be spirited away without much trouble.
Let me know what you
suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll
see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead
if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's
friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Hi Kevin,
Did you use the master links with the locking clip right? Remember which chain
size you used for which bike?
Thanks,
Jim
PS I think I do have enough of the #50 links now though so question is aca demic.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of
> pictures.
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the
> fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't figured
> on the two cable loops interfering with each other.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Now can I have my wallet back?
In a message dated 6/15/2011 12:53:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
hahahahahaha....yeah and just watch....something will be missing from MY
shop when Larry leaves....!!!!
And I get blamed! No matter what!!! :-)
Hey, I just finished up the leading edge 1/16" ply...that has been sitting
for several years...Larry can ALSO leave with some sore muscles from
showing me how to sand the LE profile....I need help...I need help... :-)
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
Jim,
My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten
a
life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to
trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools
but
nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends,
I
have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all
to
know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be
identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry
a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air
compressor
and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
Hand
and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs
can
probably be spirited away without much trouble.
Let me know what you
suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and
I'll
see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to
Brodhead
if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's
friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
(for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT
required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn &
bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
electrical system requiring a Transponder.
We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly
amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
dang sure fly in ours!
Barry Davis
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on
time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for
years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it
where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair.
You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
83 hours since 2/2010
On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
>
> I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Had a
friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If I were
to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriate
hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
Your statement only applies within the 30 mi Mode C ring correct?
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn &
> bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
> for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
> it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair.
> You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Jim,
If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose
(oops, now I've gone and done it).
Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all
my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was
one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me.
Cheers!
Dan
do not archive
On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Jim,
> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its
> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
> John
> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle
> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have
> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his
> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a
> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some
> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned!
>
> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load
> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a
> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and
> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble.
>
> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for
> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
>
> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
>
> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> *
>
> ===================================
> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ===================================
> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> ===================================
> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ===================================
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been losing a
lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling
around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends for me to
just come right out and ask you...if.... :0)
You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that were
special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on the other
side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. And be able
to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone.
Good friends....priceless.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
>
>
>Jim,
>
>If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose
>(oops, now I've gone and done it).
>
>Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all
>my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was
>one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me.
>
>Cheers!
>Dan
>
>do not archive
>
>On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>> Jim,
>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its
>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
>> John
>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle
>> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have
>> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his
>> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a
>> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some
>> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned!
>>
>> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load
>> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a
>> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
>> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and
>> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble.
>>
>> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
>> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for
>> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
>>
>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
>>
>> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
>> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>> *
>>
>> ===================================
>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ===================================
>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ===================================
>> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ===================================
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
I see some hairs to split here and so, a battery with a solar cell to
passively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and
therefor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft?
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com writes:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder)
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is
NOT
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn
&
> bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely
fly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part
out
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home
airport,
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to
get it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
Corvair.
> You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>====================
> _=========
>
>
>
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
Here you go Ken
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of
> pictures.
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the
> fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't
figured
> on the two cable loops interfering with each other.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
Doug,
I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the
transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A, B, C airspace and
above 10,000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL, and only applies to
aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system. They
then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside of
these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Further
one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the top of
class B and lateral boundaries.
Steve
in New Carlisle, OH
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>wrote:
> If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> > From: bed@mindspring.com
>
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder)
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
> >
> >
> > On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is
> NOT
> > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> > system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn
> &
> > bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> > electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely
> fly
> > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> > dang sure fly in ours!
> > Barry Davis
> > NX973BP
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part
> out
> >
> >
> > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
> > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> > if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
> on
> > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
> for
> > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
> it
> > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
> >
> > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
> Corvair.
> > You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> > electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> > hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
> >
> > Ben Charvet
> > Titusville Fl
> > 83 hours since 2/2010
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> > >
> > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ben Charvet, PharmD
> > Staff Pharmacist
> > Parrish Medical center
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >====================
> > _=========
>
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
up here to Oregon later this summer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | negative G loading for Piet wing |
Mark asked-
>Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
Medford, OR
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Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Thanks. Nice, tidy ... elegant.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Here you go Ken
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
>
>
> Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of
>> pictures.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> DSM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the
>> fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't
> figured
>> on the two cable loops interfering with each other.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Jim B.
>>
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Local builders southern California |
We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you could
come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from Oscar
in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: negative G loading for Piet wing |
Thanks Oscar. A loop sounds pretty much nuts to me.But that gives me a
general idea of what it might take to break a piet.I've hit air that was
that bad but was really-really hunting for it.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark asked-
>
> >Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
>
> I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
> last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
> G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
> very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
> structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
> attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
>
> Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
> and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> Medford, OR
>
>
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Subject: | johnson airspeed indicator |
Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator
that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead,
I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com.
Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern.
Thanks,
Charlie
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