---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/15/11: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Piet fly-in at Centerburg (Matthew VanDervort) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jack) 3. 04:41 AM - Lost and found (Lawrence Williams) 4. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out (Ben Charvet) 5. 05:47 AM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: West Coast Gathering (AircamperN11MS) 7. 07:08 AM - Re: Lost and found (Michael Perez) 8. 07:16 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Michael Perez) 9. 07:18 AM - Re: Seat back question (Michael Perez) 10. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out (Jack Phillips) 11. 08:07 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (kevinpurtee) 12. 08:26 AM - Re: Lost and found (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 09:40 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Jim Boyer) 14. 09:53 AM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle) 15. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Cables; control and brace (Jim Boyer) 16. 09:57 AM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Ken Bickers) 17. 10:19 AM - Re: Lost and found (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 18. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Barry Davis) 19. 12:11 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (kevinpurtee) 20. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (steve emo) 21. 12:29 PM - Re: Lost and found (Dan Yocum) 22. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever) 23. 02:19 PM - Re: Lost and found (Jim Markle) 24. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 25. 06:28 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Jack) 26. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (steve emo) 27. 08:40 PM - Local builders southern California (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 08:47 PM - negative G loading for Piet wing (Oscar Zuniga) 29. 09:29 PM - Re: Cables; control and brace (Ken Bickers) 30. 09:39 PM - Re: Local builders southern California (Michael Groah) 31. 09:51 PM - Re: negative G loading for Piet wing (mark lee) 32. 10:04 PM - johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:07 AM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet fly-in at Centerburg Shad, Im helping my lil' Sis move to c-bus Friday and plan on Having my ducati there saturday! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM, shad bell wrote: > Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, a nd Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is p lanning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday. Hope you can make it. Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, if he wo uld want to fly down for the day on Saturday. > > Shad > p.s. I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane! > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:40 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace Jim, Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of pictures. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace HI Shad, I got some #50 links from Home Depot a couple of months ago as I started getting parts together to make cables. Thanks, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:49 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:57 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport, and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful, but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair. You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery, electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all. Ben Charvet Titusville Fl 83 hours since 2/2010 On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tdudley@umn.edu" > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:07 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found You might want to bring a U-Haul.... Actually, I could use some help sanding.... Come on!!!! JM do not archive there's enough evidence already -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Jun 15, 2011 6:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Gathering From: "AircamperN11MS" Thanks John for the nice words. It was great to meet you. I also enjoyed your visit here. Next time you are in town I'll meet you at your place of business for lunch, you can show me Pics of your project. Sorry for the late reply but I have been out on a short vacation in the 5th wheel and just return this morning. Wife and I both got sick. Oh well, It's still nice to get away. OK, Back to work. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343039#343039 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:19 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Ah, well...I need a C-85/90. If He has one of either of those around, claim it is mine and grab it! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:55 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace Another thing you may already know about the swage fittings, they use a spe cial small clip to lock them in place as opposed to safety wire. The clips weigh next to nothing and are a "snap" to remove and reinstall.- The over all assembly when finished is quite nice. - As noted, the issue is cost of the parts and locating a swager. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question Thank you Mark. That picture is actually a "work in progress" picture. The now finished product is even nicer. (MY opinion...which means nothing.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:43 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out Do it. One of the best engines ever made. And they almost never snap their crankshafts, unlike some other Air Camper powerplants. Seriously, it will cost about the same to overhaul a Continetnal 65 as you would put into converting a Corvair with the 5th bearing and all the other things that need to be done to the Corvair to give it some semblance of reliability. The Covair does have more power, but its prop turns the wrong direction. If you weigh more than 200 lbs you might need more power and should consider a C-85 , C-90, or O-200. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tdudley@umn.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace From: "kevinpurtee" For Jim - I actually used stock motorcycle links and there are no provisions for cotter keys. Looks like a good solution, though, with the right hardware. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343049#343049 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:05 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Jim, My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! John In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lnawms@yahoo.com writes: Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:56 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace Jim, Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of pictures. Jack DSM Hi Jack, Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't figured on the two cable loops interfering with each other. thanks, Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found hahahahahaha....yeah and just watch....something will be missing from MY shop when Larry leaves....!!!! And I get blamed! No matter what!!! :-) Hey, I just finished up the leading edge 1/16" ply...that has been sitting for several years...Larry can ALSO leave with some sore muscles from showing me how to sand the LE profile....I need help...I need help... :-) JM -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Jim, My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! John In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lnawms@yahoo.com writes: Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:47 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace Hi Kevin, Did you use the master links with the locking clip right? Remember which chain size you used for which bike? Thanks, Jim PS I think I do have enough of the #50 links now though so question is aca demic. do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace From: Ken Bickers Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Jim, > > Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of > pictures. > > Jack > > DSM > > > Hi Jack, > > Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the > fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't figured > on the two cable loops interfering with each other. > > thanks, > > Jim B. > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:54 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Now can I have my wallet back? In a message dated 6/15/2011 12:53:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle hahahahahaha....yeah and just watch....something will be missing from MY shop when Larry leaves....!!!! And I get blamed! No matter what!!! :-) Hey, I just finished up the leading edge 1/16" ply...that has been sitting for several years...Larry can ALSO leave with some sore muscles from showing me how to sand the LE profile....I need help...I need help... :-) JM -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Jim, My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! John In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lnawms@yahoo.com writes: Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:18 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn & bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an electrical system requiring a Transponder. We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can dang sure fly in ours! Barry Davis NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport, and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful, but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair. You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery, electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all. Ben Charvet Titusville Fl 83 hours since 2/2010 On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace From: "kevinpurtee" For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Had a friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If I were to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriate hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343081#343081 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) From: steve emo Your statement only applies within the 30 mi Mode C ring correct? On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Barry Davis wrote: > > On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn & > bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can > dang sure fly in ours! > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben > Charvet > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out > > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport, > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor > for > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful, > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get > it > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair. > You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery, > electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all. > > Ben Charvet > Titusville Fl > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:36 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Jim, If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose (oops, now I've gone and done it). Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me. Cheers! Dan do not archive On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > Jim, > My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self > form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its > gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! > John > In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lnawms@yahoo.com writes: > > Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle > seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have > shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his > compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a > visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some > of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! > > I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load > but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a > couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. > Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and > beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. > > Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop > during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for > you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. > > Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) > > Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some > small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > * > > =================================== > t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > * > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:54 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: bed@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder) > Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400 > > > On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r un > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO T > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el ectric turn & > bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f ly > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca n > dang sure fly in ours! > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv et > Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par t out > > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport =2C > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful =2C > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair .. > You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter y=2C > electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all. > > Ben Charvet > Titusville Fl > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig ht > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ben Charvet=2C PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:59 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been losing a lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends for me to just come right out and ask you...if.... :0) You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that were special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on the other side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone. Good friends....priceless..... -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found > > >Jim, > >If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose >(oops, now I've gone and done it). > >Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all >my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was >one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me. > >Cheers! >Dan > >do not archive > >On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: >> Jim, >> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self >> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its >> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! >> John >> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> lnawms@yahoo.com writes: >> >> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle >> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have >> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his >> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a >> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some >> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! >> >> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load >> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a >> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. >> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and >> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. >> >> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop >> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for >> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. >> >> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) >> >> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some >> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. >> >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> * >> >> =================================== >> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> =================================== >> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:27 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) I see some hairs to split here and so, a battery with a solar cell to passively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and therefor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft? John In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com writes: If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: bed@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400 > > > On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn & > bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can > dang sure fly in ours! > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport, > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful, > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair. > You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery, > electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all. > > Ben Charvet > Titusville Fl > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > >==================== > _========= > > > (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:42 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace Here you go Ken Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Jim, > > Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of > pictures. > > Jack > > DSM > > > Hi Jack, > > Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the > fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't figured > on the two cable loops interfering with each other. > > thanks, > > Jim B. > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) From: steve emo Doug, I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A, B, C airspace and above 10,000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL, and only applies to aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system. They then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside of these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Further one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the top of class B and lateral boundaries. Steve in New Carlisle, OH On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Doug Dever wrote: > If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > From: bed@mindspring.com > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400 > > > > > > > On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run > > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is > NOT > > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > > system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn > & > > bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and > > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely > fly > > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can > > dang sure fly in ours! > > Barry Davis > > NX973BP > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben > Charvet > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part > out > > > > > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport, > > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > > if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry > on > > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor > for > > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful, > > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get > it > > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a > Corvair. > > You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery, > > electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > > hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all. > > > > Ben Charvet > > Titusville Fl > > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might > > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Charvet, PharmD > > Staff Pharmacist > > Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==================== > > _========= > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:20 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet? It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried up here to Oregon later this summer. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:47 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: negative G loading for Piet wing Mark asked- >Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed. Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC Medford, OR ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace From: Ken Bickers Thanks. Nice, tidy ... elegant. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Jack wrote: > Here you go Ken > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace > > > Jim, I'm not seeing a picture or attachment. Ken > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of >> pictures. >> >> Jack >> >> DSM >> >> >> >> Hi Jack, >> >> Very neat way to do it. I wish I had thought of that before I made up the >> fitting with the two holes; but that may still work best as I hadn't > figured >> on the two cable loops interfering with each other. >> >> thanks, >> >> Jim B. >> >> >> >> do not archive >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:01 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars. Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet? > It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can > fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried > up here to Oregon later this summer. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" > Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: negative G loading for Piet wing From: mark lee Thanks Oscar. A loop sounds pretty much nuts to me.But that gives me a general idea of what it might take to break a piet.I've hit air that was that bad but was really-really hunting for it. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Mark asked- > > >Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet > > I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn > last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative > G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be > very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known > structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or > attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed. > > Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G > and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > Medford, OR > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead, I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com. Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern. 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