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1. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever)
2. 02:21 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever)
3. 03:37 AM - Re: Lost and found (Charles Campbell)
4. 04:38 AM - Avon ribbed antique motorcycle tyres (bubbleboy)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Local builders southern California (Gboothe5)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Lost and found (Dan Yocum)
7. 06:09 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Dan Yocum)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Gboothe5)
9. 06:49 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
10. 07:01 AM - Florida Piet (AircamperN11MS)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
12. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (gboothe5@comcast.net)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: Local builders southern California (Michael Groah)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piet2112)
15. 07:59 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
16. 08:17 AM - Re: Lost and found (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
17. 08:18 AM - funny E-how (Hans Van Der Voort)
18. 08:25 AM - Fw: Local builders southern California (gboothe5@comcast.net)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Florida Piet (Jerry Dotson)
20. 08:33 AM - Re: funny E-how (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
21. 08:36 AM - (Big) picture of Ben's Piet in the grass (Dan Yocum)
22. 09:04 AM - Another Cable Question (Jim Boyer)
23. 09:19 AM - Re: funny E-how (Jim Markle)
24. 09:27 AM - Re: Florida Piet (Ben Charvet)
25. 10:13 AM - Bill Rewey Article (Jack)
26. 11:10 AM - Re: Florida Piet (AircamperN11MS)
27. 12:07 PM - 4 Bladed Props (Gerry Holland)
28. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Ryan Mueller)
29. 12:39 PM - Re: Lost and found (Ryan Mueller)
30. 01:07 PM - Re: Another Cable Question (Jack Phillips)
31. 01:56 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC)
32. 01:59 PM - Piet in the Great Flood (Barry Davis)
33. 02:00 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
34. 02:03 PM - Re: Another Cable Question (Jim Boyer)
35. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (amsafetyc@aol.com)
36. 02:32 PM - FW: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle" (Jack Phillips)
37. 02:42 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC)
38. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (John Hofmann)
39. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
40. 03:47 PM - Fw: johnson airspeed indicator (gboothe5@comcast.net)
41. 04:22 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
42. 04:42 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC)
43. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Gboothe5)
44. 08:37 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep)
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
Sounds right to me. The regs say "engine driven"
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
I see some hairs to split here and so=2C a battery with a solar cell to pas
sively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and ther
efor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft?
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C chiefpep
perhead@hotmail.com writes:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>====================
> _=========
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
That's how I interpret it. It was a concern for me as KSU is within the 30
nm ring for Cleveland and one reason for me opting to not have an electrica
l syst. That=2C and I'm a purist:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
From: steve.emo58@gmail.com
Doug=2C
I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the
transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A=2C B=2C C airspace
and above 10=2C000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL=2C and only applies
to aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system.
They then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside
of these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Fu
rther one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the t
op of class B and lateral boundaries.
Steve
in New Carlisle=2C OH
On Wed=2C Jun 15=2C 2011 at 4:53 PM=2C Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.
com> wrote:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley@umn.edu"<tdudley@umn.edu>
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> _=========
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
I guess I dodged a bullet. Markle E-mailed me and notified me that he
would be in my town earlier this month and wanted to come by to visit my
project, but he never made it --- am I Lucky or what?
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems
to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new
tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK?
Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop
and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools
could possibly be identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but
if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that
went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power
tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can
probably be spirited away without much trouble.
Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you.
I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small
items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Avon ribbed antique motorcycle tyres |
Hi all...I am looking around for tyres for my 21" Buchanan rims and came across
these.
http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/21300
They have a load capacity of 230kg each and talking to the guy who laced my rims,
he said they usually have a hefty safety margin in that rating.
What tyres are others using and will this load rating be enough?
Scotty :?
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343157#343157
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| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Oscar,
That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will
ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new
Piet!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you
could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from
Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been losing
a lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling
around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends for me
to just come right out and ask you...if.... :0)
Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy!
;-)
Oh, for goodness sakes
do NOT archive
>
> You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that were
special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on the other
side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. And be able
to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone.
>
> Good friends....priceless.....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
>> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose
>> (oops, now I've gone and done it).
>>
>> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all
>> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was
>> one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Dan
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
>>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its
>>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
>>> John
>>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle
>>> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have
>>> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his
>>> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a
>>> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some
>>> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned!
>>>
>>> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load
>>> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a
>>> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
>>> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and
>>> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
>>> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for
>>> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
>>>
>>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
>>>
>>> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
>>> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
>>>
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>> *
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the
Sport Aviation archives.
In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached.
Cheers,
Dan
PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject.
On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piep"<charles@thecontactpoint.com>
>
> Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator
that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead,
I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com.
Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern.
> Thanks,
> Charlie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:05:12 -0600
>
>Here's a (small) picture.....
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd(at)aol.com>
>To:
>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/17/04 10:41:39 AM Central Standard Time,
>>wacopitts(at)yahoo.com writes:
>>
>><< Clif, is that a brass brazing rod that you used for a spring? >>
>>
>>Not to jump in here, but let me try to describe the Johnson ASI. It uses
>>a
>>.047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent
>>perpendicular to
>>lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The
>>coil
>>is 3/4" in diameter, and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded
>>thru
>>bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of the
>>pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8"
>>diameter
>>and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the
>>coil
>>is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered
>>with
>>a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the
>>pointer
>>to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
>>indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20
>>thru 90 mph.
>>The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X
>>.030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is
>>next to
>>the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has a
>>small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is
>>drilled
>>thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the
>>plate,
>>wire, and block.
>>
>>Chuck G.
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| Subject: | johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
Additionally, I recall that PF Beck was selling a version of these at
Brodhead (note sp. Don't want you to get in trouble with certain purists)
'09.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator
Charlie,
If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the Sport
Aviation archives.
In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached.
Cheers,
Dan
PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject.
On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> --> "Piep"<charles@thecontactpoint.com>
>
> Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed
indicator that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to
Broadhead, I would be interested, if you could email me at:
charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com. Any condition would be ok as it would be
used for a pattern.
> Thanks,
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146
>
>
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>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind
from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Dan,
Thanks for the reply and for your effort in finding the information for me. I'll
get right on it. Will you be going to Broadhead? I owe you a drink.
Charlie
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FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't
know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at.
Congrats
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email
of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what
you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. You are
now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and aircraft
builders in the world (present company excepted). However...
As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of mis-spelling Brodhead...the
Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If you continue to
mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive a curt reply from a
certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. If
the transgression continues, you will begin to see unwonted items show up in your
mailbox at home...further transgressions will prompt a home visit from said
surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead.
He may even have a following of "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned
fellows, but serious non the less.
Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this year. If
you do, please look for me!
Gary
------Original Message------
From: Piep
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email
of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what
you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Local builders southern California |
Well we hope we can have it there. That's the plan anyway. We'll start fabric
on the fuselage today!
I think Gary can have his there next June too. What do you say Gary?
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:29 AM, "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will
> ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new
> Piet!
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Groah
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
>
>
> We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you
> could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from
> Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
>
> Mike Groah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
>> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
>> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
>> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
>> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Here's your Curt reply, but I'm not a Marine. Not that there is anything wrong
with Marines who can't spell Brodhead.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Gary,
Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to
bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look for
you there.
Charlie[/u][/b]
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| Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Dan,
WHEW..... Your nose arrives three days before you do!
--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 7:37 AM
>
>
>
>
> On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> Markle<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps
> me because I've been losing a lot of sleep lately...trying
> to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling around my
> Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends
> for me to just come right out and ask you...if....
> :0)
>
> Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy!
>
> ;-)
>
> Oh, for goodness sakes
>
> do NOT archive
>
> >
> > You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having
> very few friends that were special enough that we could let
> loose (not literally, like they do on the other side of the
> field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other.
> And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and
> take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone.
> >
> > Good friends....priceless.....
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
> >> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM
> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
> >>
> Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
> >>
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the
> size of my nose
> >> (oops, now I've gone and done it).
> >>
> >> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me
> "Big Nose," and all
> >> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends -
> kept it up. It was
> >> one way to identify the people who actually liked
> and respected me.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com
> wrote:
> >>> Jim,
> >>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever
> going to separate your self
> >>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one
> I contributed to. Its
> >>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what,
> you are the Markelizer!
> >>> John
> >>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M.
> Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> lnawms@yahoo.com
> writes:
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone noticed how the
> (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle
> >>> seems to trot around the
> country visiting Piet builders who have
> >>> shiny new tools but nobody
> seems to ever be invited to visit his
> >>> compound in OK? Well
> friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a
> >>> visit to his shop and
> wanted you all to know about it so maybe some
> >>> of your missing tools
> could possibly be identified and returned!
> >>>
> >>> I will be driving a
> hatchback which will carry a pretty good load
> >>> but if memory serves,
> there was at least one air compressor and a
> >>> couch that went missing
> and I think those will have to stay put.
> >>> Hand and power tools as
> well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and
> >>> beet mugs can probably be
> spirited away without much trouble.
> >>>
> >>> Let me know what you
> suspect has been spirited away from your shop
> >>> during a Markle visit and
> I'll see what I can do to get it back for
> >>> you. I will bring the
> stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet.
> >>>
> >>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol
> builder's friend)
> >>>
> >>> Now that I consider the
> possibilities, I really would like some
> >>> small items myself.
> Hm-m-m-m.
> >>>
> >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>>
> ===================================
> >>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >>>
> ===================================
> >>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> >>>
> ===================================
> >>>
> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>>
> ===================================
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dan Yocum
> >> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the
> tyranny of petty things."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of
> petty things."
>
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You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html
Read the comments, Funny stuff
Hans
NX15KV
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| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Afterburners are engaged, Mike!
Eager for more pics!
Gary
Do not archive
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Boothe, Gary" <GBoothe@LWSupply.com>
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
----- Original Message -----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu Jun 16 09:52:43 2011
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
Well we hope we can have it there. That's the plan anyway. We'll start fabric
on the fuselage today!
I think Gary can have his there next June too. What do you say Gary?
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:29 AM, "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will
> ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new
> Piet!
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Groah
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
>
>
> We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you
> could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from
> Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
>
> Mike Groah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
>> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
>> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
>> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
>> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
That is Ben Charvet's beautiful Piet.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Thanks a lot Hans! I am going to take my Advanced Ground Instructor test this afternoon
and after reading this, I am not sure that I can pass.
What I understand about flying is only related to this guys instructions in that
there is a somewhat similar vocabulary. Almost looks like it was run through
a computer translator.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how
>
> You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ?
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html
>
> Read the comments, Funny stuff
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | (Big) picture of Ben's Piet in the grass |
Nice shot.
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/1723/large/17.jpg
do not archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32 copper
oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32 cable for the
tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32 tail brace cables
but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried doing
three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well and just
one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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This is a MUST read! Hilarious....
Comments like "Beware of complete and utter (and potentially dangerous) dumbassery
written by imbeciles" make this a funny read....
"dumbassery"? Really? That now goes into my dictionary.....
jm
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Van Der Voort
Sent: Jun 16, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how
You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html
Read the comments, Funny stuff
Hans
NX15KV
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
That would be mine!
Ben Charvet
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_204822-1.html
On 6/16/2011 9:59 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS"<Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>
> FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't
know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at.
>
> Congrats
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343175#343175
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Bill Rewey Article |
Excellent article on Bill in the Midwest Flyer. See it here
http://www.midwestflyer.com/?p=3065
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
Very nice shot Ben. Looks like it ought to.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hi from England
I remember a few days ago someone was discussing 4 bladed Props and
maybe making one.
I have a series of old Cigarette Cards from 1919 and in the De Havilland
set are several 4 Bladed prop Aircraft.
This is a good example as it shows the blade angle and shape.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
+44 (0)7808 402404
White Ox Mead, Bath. England
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and
ask....where's Broadhead?
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement.
> You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and
> aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However...
>
> As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of
> mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community.
If
> you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receiv
e a
> curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct
> spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to s
ee
> unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions w
ill
> prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding y
ou
> of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of
> "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non th
e
> less.
>
> Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this yea
r.
> If you do, please look for me!
>
> Gary
> ------Original Message------
> From: Piep
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
> Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM
>
>
>
> Gary,
> Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his
> listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid
> address.
>
> I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure
> what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
>
> I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kit
s.
>
> Thanks again,
> Charlie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
That there is one prominent proboscis! ;-)
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle<
>> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been
>> losing a lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape
>> the cowling around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough
>> friends for me to just come right out and ask you...if.... :0)
>>
>
> Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy!
>
> ;-)
>
> Oh, for goodness sakes
>
> do NOT archive
>
>
>> You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that
>> were special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on
>> the other side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other.
>> And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave
>> that one alone.
>>
>> Good friends....priceless.....
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
>>> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
>>>
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose
>>> (oops, now I've gone and done it).
>>>
>>> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all
>>> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was
>>> one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
>>>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its
>>>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
>>>> John
>>>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> lnawms@yahoo.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle
>>>> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have
>>>> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his
>>>> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a
>>>> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some
>>>> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned!
>>>>
>>>> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load
>>>> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a
>>>> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
>>>> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and
>>>> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop
>>>> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for
>>>> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the
>>>> Piet.
>>>>
>>>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend)
>>>>
>>>> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
>>>> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
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>>>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>>>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>> *
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>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Yocum
>>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Here's proof, Jim:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32
copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32
cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32
tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the
copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried
doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well
and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of
a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Piep wrote:
> Gary,
> Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to
bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look
for you there.
> Charlie[/u][/b]
You'll have no problem finding Gary... he'll be the guy in a headlock, having a
knot popped on his head by said former Marine. Ha!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Piet in the Great Flood |
Found this picture on the EAA Website.
This was taken after the flood last month in Memphis, but I don't have any
details. Sad!
Barry
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Mark,
Thanks for the info. I'll look for that scene to play out up there. Where are
you located? I am over at Lake Tenkiller working on the Piet today and will
be flying it this afternoon.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Another Cable Question |
Hi Jack;
Nothing like a photo for how its done. I have everything I need now to make cables
and plan on doing the first one after work today.
Thanks,
Jim B.
do not archive
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Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned
status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated cult
classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case "smile
son don't disconcert the masses"
A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but
barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my flying
circus do you got an act?
Catch my drift?
Do not archive less you have an act
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and
ask....where's Broadhead?
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement.
> You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and
> aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However...
>
> As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of
> mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community.
If
> you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive
a
> curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct
> spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to
see
> unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions
will
> prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding
you
> of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of
> "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non the
> less.
>
> Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this
year.
> If you do, please look for me!
>
> Gary
> ------Original Message------
> From: Piep
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pi
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| Subject: | FW: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief |
Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle"
Not exactly Pietenpol related, but I thought this might be of interest.
This came from one of our EAA Chapter 1114 memebrs, Jim Zazas, who is active
in warbirds and antiques (and owns a J-3 Cub and a Luscombe 8A).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: discuss-bounces@eaa1114.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@eaa1114.org] On
Behalf Of James Zazas
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:48 PM
Subject: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the
Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle"
June 15, 2011
All:
The following letter from Capt. Ray Fowler discusses in depth the events
leading to the airframe loss of the Liberty Foundation's B-17G Flying
Fortress "Liberty Belle" yesterday near Aurora, Illinois. Capt. Fowler is
the Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation.
Many of you have seen the sensational news video coverage and perhaps
innumerable still photographs of this accident. Please keep Capt. Fowler's
very succinct comments in mind whenever you see or discuss any media reports
and attending photographs or video regarding this very unfortunate event.
As bad as this mishap was, all aboard the aircraft exited quickly and
safely.
Quoting from Ray Fowler's letter, "There is wild speculation going on as to
the cause of our fire and the affect to other operators. Please let the
investigation run its course and report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were
quickly on the scene and we are working closely with them to aid in the
investigation. As soon as we receive some additional information, we will
release it via the website http://www.libertyfoundation.org
<http://www.libertyfoundation.org/> ."
Happy flying, safely!
Cheers,
Jim Zazas
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
First, let me start off by sincerely thanking everyone for the outpouring of
support that we are receiving. I am sorry that I have not yet had the
opportunity to return the many phone calls, text or e-mails that I am
receiving offering to help. Again, thank you for all of the kind words that
we are receiving and for incredible offers to help emotionally, financially
and/or with the recovery process. I hope this statement will help fill in a
few details that everyone is wondering about that led to the loss of our
"Liberty Belle".
Yesterday morning, both our P-40 and B-17 were scheduled to fly from Aurora,
Illinois to Indianapolis, Indiana. We were in Aurora for the weekend as a
part of our scheduled tour. Over the course of the previous week, we
completed a scheduled 25-hour inspection on the B-17 which was completed by
Saturday. On Saturday, the weather stayed below the required ceiling to give
any passenger flights, however the B-17 flew in the morning on a routine
training proficiency flight, performing several patterns. Following the
flight, other maintenance issues arose that required us to cancel our Sunday
flying schedule for repairs. The maintenance performed has not been, in any
way, associated to the chain of events that led to Monday's fateful flight,
but is being considered in the preliminary investigation. However, due to
the media's sensational (mis)reporting, there is a large amount of
misinformation that continues to lead the news.
Here is what we do know. Flying in the left seat of the B-17 was Capt. John
Hess. John has been flying our Liberty Belle since 2005 and one of our most
experienced B-17 pilots. He is an active Delta Air Lines Captain with over
14,000 hours of flying experience and flies a variety of vintage WWII
aircraft. In the right seat was Bud Sittic. While Bud is new to the Liberty
Foundation this year, he is also incredibly experienced with over 14,000
hours of flying time in vintage and hi-performance aircraft. He is a retired
Captain with Delta Air Lines.
The news misidentified the P-40 as flying chase during the accident. I was
flying our P-40, however I had departed 20 minutes prior to the B-17's
takeoff on the short flight to Indianapolis to setup for the B-17's arrival.
The aircraft flying chase was a T-6 Texan flown by owner Cullen Underwood.
Cullen is one of our rated B-17 Captains and an experienced aviator tagging
along as a support ship.
The takeoff of both aircraft was uneventful and proceeded on-course
southeast. Prior to exiting Aurora's airport traffic area, the B-17 crew and
passengers began investigating an acrid smell and started a turn back to the
airport. Almost immediately thereafter, Cullen spotted flames coming from
the left wing and reported over the radio that they were on fire.
As all pilots know, there are few emergency situations that are more
critical than having an in-flight fire. While it is extremely rare, it can
(and sometimes does) indiscriminately affect aircraft of any age or type.
In-flight fires have led to the loss of not only aircraft, but often can
result in catastrophic loss of life. It requires an immediate action on the
flight crew, as the integrity of aircraft structure, systems and critical
components are in question.
Directly below the B-17 was a farmer's field and the decision was made to
land immediately. Approximately 1 minute and 40 seconds from the radio
report of the fire, the B-17 was down safely on the field. Within that 1:40
time frame, the crew shutdown and feathered the number 2 engine, activated
the engine's fire suppression system, lowered the landing gear and performed
an on-speed landing. Bringing the B-17 to a quick stop, the crew and
passengers quickly and safely exited the aircraft. Overhead in the T-6,
Cullen professionally coordinated and directed the firefighting equipment
which was dispatched by Aurora Tower to the landing location.
Unlike the sensational photos that you have all seen of the completely
burned B-17 on the news, you will see from photos taken by our crew that our
Liberty Belle was undamaged by the forced landing and at the time of
landing, the wing fire damage was relatively small. The crew actually
unloaded bags, then had the horrible task of watching the aircraft slowly
burn while waiting for the fire trucks to arrive. There were high hopes that
the fire would be extinguished quickly and the damage would be repairable.
Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to
cross due to the area's recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning
B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field's edge, they sadly
watched the wing fire spread to the aircraft's fuel cells and of course, you
all have seen the end result. There is no doubt that had the fire equipment
been able to reach our aircraft, the fire would have been quickly
extinguished and our Liberty Belle would have been repaired to continue her
worthwhile mission.
Let me go on the record by thanking the flight crew for their
professionalism. Their actions were nothing short of heroic and their quick
thinking, actions and experience led to a "successful" outcome to this
serious in-flight emergency. John and Bud (and Cullen) did a remarkable job
under extreme circumstances and performed spectacularly. While the leading
news stories have repeatedly reported the "crash" of our B-17, fact is they
made a successful forced landing and the aircraft was ultimately consumed by
fire. Airplanes are replaceable but people are not and while the aircraft's
loss is tragic, it was a successful result.
This leads me into discussing the exceptional safety record of the Boeing
B-17 and to hopefully squash the naysayers who preach we should not be
flying these types of aircraft. Since we first flew the "Liberty Belle" in
December of 2004, we have flown over 20,000 passengers throughout the
country and if you count our historic trip to Europe in 2008, worldwide. Of
the other touring B-17s, some of which that have been touring for over 20
years, they have safely flown hundreds of thousands of people. The
aircraft's safety record is spectacular and I am certain the overall cause
of our issue, which is under investigation, will not tarnish that safety
record. In fact, as many of you know, other B-17 have suffered significant
damage (although not as bad as ours!), only to be re-built to fly again.
>From a passenger carrying standpoint, I can think of few aircraft that offer
the same level of safety as the 4-engine "Flying Fortress." As mentioned
earlier, in-flight fires are extremely rare and certainly could affect any
powered aircraft under certain circumstances. I would put my children today
in any of the other touring B-17s to go fly. I suggest to anyone that was
thinking of doing so when a B-17 visits your area to do so without giving
our loss any thought.
There is wild speculation going on as to the cause of our fire and the
affect to other operators. Please let the investigation run its course and
report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were quickly on the scene and we are
working closely with them to aid in the investigation. As soon as we receive
some additional information, we will release it via the website
http://www.libertyfoundation.org <http://www.libertyfoundation.org/> .
The ultimate question remains, where does the Liberty Foundation go from
here? After the investigation and recovery, we will determine our options.
We are still committed to the restoration and flying of World War II
aircraft. Again, we appreciate the support and people offering to help get
us back flying.
Please check back for updates. I will close by thanking everyone that made
our tour so successful. From the first day of the B-17's restoration, thank
you for all of you who labored to get her flying over the initial
restoration years and to everyone that has worked on her out on tour since.
Thank you to the crewmembers, tour coordinators and volunteers who gave up
weekends and countless hours to support her on the road. And finally, thank
you to the passengers, donors and media patrons that flew aboard and
everyone who supported our cause. Hopefully, this will not be the end of the
story, but a new beginning.
Regards,
Ray Fowler
The Liberty Foundation, Chief Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Hey Charlie! I'm over here at Gundy's Airport (O38)... home of Chapter 10. I've
been working on my project here for a little over two years. Came down to
your neck of the woods a couple of months ago for the Wild Onion and Eggs Fly-In.
We were planning to camp there the last couple of years, but the weather...
wow! Can't catch a break.
You going to Brodhead this year? What about any of the local events?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
John, John, John,
Do you think this pack of jackals wants to see a good pilot? They want
BLOOD!
do not archive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
> Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned
status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated
cult classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case
"smile son don't disconcert the masses"
>
> A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but
barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my
flying circus do you got an act?
>
> Catch my drift?
>
> Do not archive less you have an act
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
>
> Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread
and ask....where's Broadhead?
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of
excitement. You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be
aviators and aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted).
However...
>
> As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of
mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet
community. If you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time,
you will receive a curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding
you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues,
you will begin to see unwonted items show up in your mailbox at
home...further transgressions will prompt a home visit from said surely,
former Marine, forcibly reminding you of the correct spelling of
Brodhead. He may even have a following of "certain purists", all good,
well-intentioned fellows, but serious non the less.
>
> Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this
year. If you do, please look for me!
>
> Gary
> ------Original Message------
> From: Piep
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
> Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM
>
<charles@thecontactpoint.com>
>
> Gary,
> Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his
listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid
address.
>
> I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not
sure what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
>
> I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket
kits.
>
> Thanks again,
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
>
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Sudden death is my business not good pilots. I lose the crowd at the end of
the month. Ill give ya the same deal as everybody else. You come up with an
act where they think you're gonna die wait where they know you're gonna die
and ill put ya on
You might want to try wing walking I here its popular down south
John
Do not archive
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 21:56:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
John, John, John,
Do you think this pack of jackals wants to see a good pilot? They want
BLOOD!
do not archive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
> Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned
status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated cult
classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case "smile
son don't disconcert the masses"
>
> A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but
barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my flying
circus do you got an act?
>
> Catch my drift?
>
> Do not archive less you have an act
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
>
> Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and
ask....where's Broadhead?
>
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of e
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| Subject: | Fw: johnson airspeed indicator |
I have a feeling that said former Marine will have to stand in line!
Gary
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------Original Message------
From: Gary Boothe
Subject: Fw: johnson airspeed indicator
Sent: Jun 16, 2011 2:58 PM
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Sent: Thu Jun 16 15:53:43 2011
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Piep wrote:
> Gary,
> Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to
bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look
for you there.
> Charlie[/u][/b]
You'll have no problem finding Gary... he'll be the guy in a headlock, having a
knot popped on his head by said former Marine. Ha!
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Hi Mark,
Yep. I am about 3 miles south of the Cookson Airport which hosts the Wild Onions
and Eggs fly-in. Snake Creek Wilderness is a paved strip on the mountain top
3,500 ft long and 150 ft. wide. The next time you are in the area, give me
a call.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Will do Charlie. Seems that I saw another event listed down there in the Vintage
newsletter.
Just wanted to add this so I could help keep the thread on topic.
Rogers asked-
Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed
indicator?
Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back and
someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup (one
static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing struts, yellow
wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I would be glad
to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could easily build
one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info found in the archives:
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It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent perpendicular
to lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate.
The coil is 3/4" in diameter and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded
thru bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of
the pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8" diameter
and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the
coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered
with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the pointer
to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90
mph. The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8"
X .030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is
next to the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has
a small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is
drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the
plate, wire, and block.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Charlie,
Here's the email I have for PF Beck: pfbeck@bellsouth.net
Good luck,
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piep
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed
email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure
what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
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Thanks, Gary. I will try to contact him. What a great forum! Thanks to everyone
who replied. I look forward to being part of the group.
Charlie
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