---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/16/11: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever) 2. 02:21 AM - Re: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) (Doug Dever) 3. 03:37 AM - Re: Lost and found (Charles Campbell) 4. 04:38 AM - Avon ribbed antique motorcycle tyres (bubbleboy) 5. 05:32 AM - Re: Local builders southern California (Gboothe5) 6. 05:39 AM - Re: Lost and found (Dan Yocum) 7. 06:09 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Dan Yocum) 8. 06:46 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Gboothe5) 9. 06:49 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) 10. 07:01 AM - Florida Piet (AircamperN11MS) 11. 07:13 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) 12. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (gboothe5@comcast.net) 13. 07:55 AM - Re: Local builders southern California (Michael Groah) 14. 07:56 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piet2112) 15. 07:59 AM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) 16. 08:17 AM - Re: Lost and found (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 17. 08:18 AM - funny E-how (Hans Van Der Voort) 18. 08:25 AM - Fw: Local builders southern California (gboothe5@comcast.net) 19. 08:27 AM - Re: Florida Piet (Jerry Dotson) 20. 08:33 AM - Re: funny E-how (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 21. 08:36 AM - (Big) picture of Ben's Piet in the grass (Dan Yocum) 22. 09:04 AM - Another Cable Question (Jim Boyer) 23. 09:19 AM - Re: funny E-how (Jim Markle) 24. 09:27 AM - Re: Florida Piet (Ben Charvet) 25. 10:13 AM - Bill Rewey Article (Jack) 26. 11:10 AM - Re: Florida Piet (AircamperN11MS) 27. 12:07 PM - 4 Bladed Props (Gerry Holland) 28. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Ryan Mueller) 29. 12:39 PM - Re: Lost and found (Ryan Mueller) 30. 01:07 PM - Re: Another Cable Question (Jack Phillips) 31. 01:56 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC) 32. 01:59 PM - Piet in the Great Flood (Barry Davis) 33. 02:00 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) 34. 02:03 PM - Re: Another Cable Question (Jim Boyer) 35. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (amsafetyc@aol.com) 36. 02:32 PM - FW: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle" (Jack Phillips) 37. 02:42 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC) 38. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (John Hofmann) 39. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 40. 03:47 PM - Fw: johnson airspeed indicator (gboothe5@comcast.net) 41. 04:22 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) 42. 04:42 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (K5YAC) 43. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Gboothe5) 44. 08:37 PM - Re: johnson airspeed indicator (Piep) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:51 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) Sounds right to me. The regs say "engine driven" Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder) I see some hairs to split here and so=2C a battery with a solar cell to pas sively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and ther efor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft? John In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C chiefpep perhead@hotmail.com writes: If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: bed@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder) > Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400 > > > On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r un > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO T > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el ectric turn & > bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f ly > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca n > dang sure fly in ours! > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv et > Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par t out > > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport =2C > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful =2C > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair .. > You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter y=2C > electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all. > > Ben Charvet > Titusville Fl > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig ht > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ben Charvet=2C PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > >==================== > _========= > > > t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:35 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder) That's how I interpret it. It was a concern for me as KSU is within the 30 nm ring for Cleveland and one reason for me opting to not have an electrica l syst. That=2C and I'm a purist:) Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder) From: steve.emo58@gmail.com Doug=2C I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A=2C B=2C C airspace and above 10=2C000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL=2C and only applies to aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system. They then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside of these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Fu rther one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the t op of class B and lateral boundaries. Steve in New Carlisle=2C OH On Wed=2C Jun 15=2C 2011 at 4:53 PM=2C Doug Dever wrote: If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: bed@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder) > Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400 > > > On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r un > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO T > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that > system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el ectric turn & > bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an > electrical system requiring a Transponder. > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f ly > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca n > dang sure fly in ours! > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv et > Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par t out > > > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport =2C > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200 > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test > if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful =2C > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost. > > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair .. > You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter y=2C > electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a > hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all. > > Ben Charvet > Titusville Fl > 83 hours since 2/2010 > > > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > > --> "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig ht > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ben Charvet=2C PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > >==================== > _========= > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:51 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found I guess I dodged a bullet. Markle E-mailed me and notified me that he would be in my town earlier this month and wanted to come by to visit my project, but he never made it --- am I Lucky or what? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avon ribbed antique motorcycle tyres From: "bubbleboy" Hi all...I am looking around for tyres for my 21" Buchanan rims and came across these. http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/21300 They have a load capacity of 230kg each and talking to the guy who laced my rims, he said they usually have a hefty safety margin in that rating. What tyres are others using and will this load rating be enough? Scotty :? -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343157#343157 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:04 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California Oscar, That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new Piet! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars. Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet? > It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can > fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried > up here to Oregon later this summer. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" > Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:58 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle > > Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been losing a lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends for me to just come right out and ask you...if.... :0) Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy! ;-) Oh, for goodness sakes do NOT archive > > You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that were special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on the other side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone. > > Good friends....priceless..... > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Yocum >> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >> >> Jim, >> >> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose >> (oops, now I've gone and done it). >> >> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all >> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was >> one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me. >> >> Cheers! >> Dan >> >> do not archive >> >> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: >>> Jim, >>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self >>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its >>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! >>> John >>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> lnawms@yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle >>> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have >>> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his >>> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a >>> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some >>> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! >>> >>> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load >>> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a >>> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. >>> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and >>> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. >>> >>> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop >>> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for >>> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. >>> >>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) >>> >>> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some >>> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. >>> >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> >>> * >>> >>> =================================== >>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> =================================== >>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >>> =================================== >>> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> =================================== >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator Charlie, If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the Sport Aviation archives. In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached. Cheers, Dan PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject. On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piep" > > Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead, I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com. Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern. > Thanks, > Charlie > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." From: "Jim Markle" >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:05:12 -0600 > >Here's a (small) picture..... > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:47 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator > > >> >>In a message dated 12/17/04 10:41:39 AM Central Standard Time, >>wacopitts(at)yahoo.com writes: >> >><< Clif, is that a brass brazing rod that you used for a spring? >> >> >>Not to jump in here, but let me try to describe the Johnson ASI. It uses >>a >>.047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent >>perpendicular to >>lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The >>coil >>is 3/4" in diameter, and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded >>thru >>bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of the >>pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8" >>diameter >>and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the >>coil >>is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered >>with >>a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the >>pointer >>to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the >>indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 >>thru 90 mph. >>The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X >>.030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is >>next to >>the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has a >>small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is >>drilled >>thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the >>plate, >>wire, and block. >> >>Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:25 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator Charlie, Additionally, I recall that PF Beck was selling a version of these at Brodhead (note sp. Don't want you to get in trouble with certain purists) '09. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator Charlie, If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the Sport Aviation archives. In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached. Cheers, Dan PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject. On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: > --> "Piep" > > Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead, I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland@gmail.com. Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern. > Thanks, > Charlie > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146 > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Dan, Thanks for the reply and for your effort in finding the information for me. I'll get right on it. Will you be going to Broadhead? I owe you a drink. Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343169#343169 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Piet From: "AircamperN11MS" FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at. Congrats -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343175#343175 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Gary, Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address. I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes. I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits. Thanks again, Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: gboothe5@comcast.net Charlie, 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However... As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive a curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to see unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions will prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non the less. Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this year. If you do, please look for me! Gary ------Original Message------ From: Piep Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM Gary, Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address. I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes. I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits. Thanks again, Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:15 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California Well we hope we can have it there. That's the plan anyway. We'll start fabric on the fuselage today! I think Gary can have his there next June too. What do you say Gary? Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:29 AM, "Gboothe5" wrote: > > Oscar, > > That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will > ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new > Piet! > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Groah > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California > > > We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you > could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from > Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars. > > Mike Groah > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> >> >> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet? >> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can >> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried >> up here to Oregon later this summer. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" >> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piet2112" Here's your Curt reply, but I'm not a Marine. Not that there is anything wrong with Marines who can't spell Brodhead. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343181#343181 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Gary, Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look for you there. Charlie[/u][/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343182#343182 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:15 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found Dan, WHEW..... Your nose arrives three days before you do! --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Dan Yocum wrote: > From: Dan Yocum > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 7:37 AM > > > > > On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > Markle > > > > Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps > me because I've been losing a lot of sleep lately...trying > to find a big round pattern to shape the cowling around my > Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough friends > for me to just come right out and ask you...if.... > :0) > > Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy! > > ;-) > > Oh, for goodness sakes > > do NOT archive > > > > > You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having > very few friends that were special enough that we could let > loose (not literally, like they do on the other side of the > field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. > And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and > take"....ok, I'll leave that one alone. > > > > Good friends....priceless..... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dan Yocum > >> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found > >> > Yocum > >> > >> Jim, > >> > >> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the > size of my nose > >> (oops, now I've gone and done it). > >> > >> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me > "Big Nose," and all > >> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - > kept it up. It was > >> one way to identify the people who actually liked > and respected me. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> Dan > >> > >> do not archive > >> > >> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com > wrote: > >>> Jim, > >>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever > going to separate your self > >>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one > I contributed to. Its > >>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, > you are the Markelizer! > >>> John > >>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. > Eastern Daylight Time, > >>> lnawms@yahoo.com > writes: > >>> > >>> Has anyone noticed how the > (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle > >>> seems to trot around the > country visiting Piet builders who have > >>> shiny new tools but nobody > seems to ever be invited to visit his > >>> compound in OK? Well > friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a > >>> visit to his shop and > wanted you all to know about it so maybe some > >>> of your missing tools > could possibly be identified and returned! > >>> > >>> I will be driving a > hatchback which will carry a pretty good load > >>> but if memory serves, > there was at least one air compressor and a > >>> couch that went missing > and I think those will have to stay put. > >>> Hand and power tools as > well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and > >>> beet mugs can probably be > spirited away without much trouble. > >>> > >>> Let me know what you > suspect has been spirited away from your shop > >>> during a Markle visit and > I'll see what I can do to get it back for > >>> you. I will bring the > stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the Piet. > >>> > >>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol > builder's friend) > >>> > >>> Now that I consider the > possibilities, I really would like some > >>> small items myself. > Hm-m-m-m. > >>> > >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE > >>> > >>> * > >>> > >>> > =================================== > >>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >>> > =================================== > >>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > >>> > =================================== > >>> > tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >>> > =================================== > >>> > >>> * > >>> > >>> * > >>> > >>> > >>> * > >> > >> -- > >> Dan Yocum > >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 > >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the > tyranny of petty things." > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of > petty things." > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how From: Hans Van Der Voort You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ? http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html Read the comments, Funny stuff Hans NX15KV ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:38 AM PST US Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California From: gboothe5@comcast.net Afterburners are engaged, Mike! Eager for more pics! Gary Do not archive Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Boothe, Gary" Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Thu Jun 16 09:52:43 2011 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California Well we hope we can have it there. That's the plan anyway. We'll start fabric on the fuselage today! I think Gary can have his there next June too. What do you say Gary? Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:29 AM, "Gboothe5" wrote: > > Oscar, > > That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will > ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new > Piet! > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Groah > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California > > > We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you > could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from > Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars. > > Mike Groah > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> >> >> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet? >> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can >> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried >> up here to Oregon later this summer. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" >> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This email is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, review, dissemination, copying or action taken based on this message or its attachments, if any, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy or delete all copies of the original message and any attachments. Thank you. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Florida Piet From: "Jerry Dotson" That is Ben Charvet's beautiful Piet. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343193#343193 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:09 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how Thanks a lot Hans! I am going to take my Advanced Ground Instructor test this afternoon and after reading this, I am not sure that I can pass. What I understand about flying is only related to this guys instructions in that there is a somewhat similar vocabulary. Almost looks like it was run through a computer translator. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Van Der Voort Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how > > You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ? > > http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html > > Read the comments, Funny stuff > > Hans > > NX15KV > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:51 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: (Big) picture of Ben's Piet in the grass Nice shot. http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/1723/large/17.jpg do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:03 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32 copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32 cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32 tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the copper sleeve. Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of a balloon. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:26 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how This is a MUST read! Hilarious.... Comments like "Beware of complete and utter (and potentially dangerous) dumbassery written by imbeciles" make this a funny read.... "dumbassery"? Really? That now goes into my dictionary..... jm do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Hans Van Der Voort Sent: Jun 16, 2011 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ? http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html Read the comments, Funny stuff Hans NX15KV ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:15 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Florida Piet That would be mine! Ben Charvet http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_204822-1.html On 6/16/2011 9:59 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS" > > FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at. > > Congrats > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343175#343175 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:46 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bill Rewey Article Excellent article on Bill in the Midwest Flyer. See it here http://www.midwestflyer.com/?p=3065 Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Florida Piet From: "AircamperN11MS" Very nice shot Ben. Looks like it ought to. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343217#343217 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 Bladed Props From: Gerry Holland Hi from England I remember a few days ago someone was discussing 4 bladed Props and maybe making one. I have a series of old Cigarette Cards from 1919 and in the De Havilland set are several 4 Bladed prop Aircraft. This is a good example as it shows the blade angle and shape. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland gholland@content-stream.co.uk +44 (0)7808 402404 White Ox Mead, Bath. England ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: Ryan Mueller Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and ask....where's Broadhead? do not archive On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > Charlie, > > 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. > You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and > aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However... > > As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of > mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If > you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receiv e a > curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct > spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to s ee > unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions w ill > prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding y ou > of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of > "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non th e > less. > > Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this yea r. > If you do, please look for me! > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: Piep > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator > Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM > > > > Gary, > Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his > listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid > address. > > I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure > what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes. > > I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kit s. > > Thanks again, > Charlie > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176 > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found From: Ryan Mueller That there is one prominent proboscis! ;-) do not archive On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 06/15/2011 04:15 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle< >> jim_markle@mindspring.com> >> >> Thanks Dan, that helps. In fact, it REALLY helps me because I've been >> losing a lot of sleep lately...trying to find a big round pattern to shape >> the cowling around my Model A...and I didn't know if we were good enough >> friends for me to just come right out and ask you...if.... :0) >> > > Here ya go, Jim. Enjoy! > > ;-) > > Oh, for goodness sakes > > do NOT archive > > >> You're right and I totally agree...I grew up having very few friends that >> were special enough that we could let loose (not literally, like they do on >> the other side of the field at Brodhead) and really goof with each other. >> And be able to give AND take! Hey wait..."give and take"....ok, I'll leave >> that one alone. >> >> Good friends....priceless..... >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Dan Yocum >>> Sent: Jun 15, 2011 2:27 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found >>> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> If it helps any, I've always been teased about the size of my nose >>> (oops, now I've gone and done it). >>> >>> Anyway, after a while the jerks stopped calling me "Big Nose," and all >>> my friends - my honest-to-goodness, true friends - kept it up. It was >>> one way to identify the people who actually liked and respected me. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Dan >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> On 06/15/2011 10:19 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self >>>> form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its >>>> gotten a life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer! >>>> John >>>> In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> lnawms@yahoo.com writes: >>>> >>>> Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle >>>> seems to trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have >>>> shiny new tools but nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his >>>> compound in OK? Well friends, I have hatched a plan and scheduled a >>>> visit to his shop and wanted you all to know about it so maybe some >>>> of your missing tools could possibly be identified and returned! >>>> >>>> I will be driving a hatchback which will carry a pretty good load >>>> but if memory serves, there was at least one air compressor and a >>>> couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put. >>>> Hand and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and >>>> beet mugs can probably be spirited away without much trouble. >>>> >>>> Let me know what you suspect has been spirited away from your shop >>>> during a Markle visit and I'll see what I can do to get it back for >>>> you. I will bring the stuff to Brodhead if it won't overload the >>>> Piet. >>>> >>>> Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's friend) >>>> >>>> Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some >>>> small items myself. Hm-m-m-m. >>>> >>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> =================================== >>>> t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> >>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> =================================== >>>> >>>> ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> =================================== >>>> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution"> >>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> =================================== >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:42 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question Here's proof, Jim: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32 copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32 cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32 tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the copper sleeve. Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of a balloon. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "K5YAC" Piep wrote: > Gary, > Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look for you there. > Charlie[/u][/b] You'll have no problem finding Gary... he'll be the guy in a headlock, having a knot popped on his head by said former Marine. Ha! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343223#343223 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:16 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet in the Great Flood Found this picture on the EAA Website. This was taken after the flood last month in Memphis, but I don't have any details. Sad! Barry ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Mark, Thanks for the info. I'll look for that scene to play out up there. Where are you located? I am over at Lake Tenkiller working on the Piet today and will be flying it this afternoon. Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343224#343224 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:57 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question Hi Jack; Nothing like a photo for how its done. I have everything I need now to make cables and plan on doing the first one after work today. Thanks, Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:14 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated cult classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case "smile son don't disconcert the masses" A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my flying circus do you got an act? Catch my drift? Do not archive less you have an act Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and ask....where's Broadhead? do not archive On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > Charlie, > > 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. > You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and > aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However... > > As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of > mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If > you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive a > curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct > spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to see > unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions will > prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding you > of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of > "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non the > less. > > Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this year. > If you do, please look for me! > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: Piep > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pi ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:46 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle" Not exactly Pietenpol related, but I thought this might be of interest. This came from one of our EAA Chapter 1114 memebrs, Jim Zazas, who is active in warbirds and antiques (and owns a J-3 Cub and a Luscombe 8A). Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: discuss-bounces@eaa1114.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@eaa1114.org] On Behalf Of James Zazas Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:48 PM Subject: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle" June 15, 2011 All: The following letter from Capt. Ray Fowler discusses in depth the events leading to the airframe loss of the Liberty Foundation's B-17G Flying Fortress "Liberty Belle" yesterday near Aurora, Illinois. Capt. Fowler is the Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation. Many of you have seen the sensational news video coverage and perhaps innumerable still photographs of this accident. Please keep Capt. Fowler's very succinct comments in mind whenever you see or discuss any media reports and attending photographs or video regarding this very unfortunate event. As bad as this mishap was, all aboard the aircraft exited quickly and safely. Quoting from Ray Fowler's letter, "There is wild speculation going on as to the cause of our fire and the affect to other operators. Please let the investigation run its course and report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were quickly on the scene and we are working closely with them to aid in the investigation. As soon as we receive some additional information, we will release it via the website http://www.libertyfoundation.org ." Happy flying, safely! Cheers, Jim Zazas - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - First, let me start off by sincerely thanking everyone for the outpouring of support that we are receiving. I am sorry that I have not yet had the opportunity to return the many phone calls, text or e-mails that I am receiving offering to help. Again, thank you for all of the kind words that we are receiving and for incredible offers to help emotionally, financially and/or with the recovery process. I hope this statement will help fill in a few details that everyone is wondering about that led to the loss of our "Liberty Belle". Yesterday morning, both our P-40 and B-17 were scheduled to fly from Aurora, Illinois to Indianapolis, Indiana. We were in Aurora for the weekend as a part of our scheduled tour. Over the course of the previous week, we completed a scheduled 25-hour inspection on the B-17 which was completed by Saturday. On Saturday, the weather stayed below the required ceiling to give any passenger flights, however the B-17 flew in the morning on a routine training proficiency flight, performing several patterns. Following the flight, other maintenance issues arose that required us to cancel our Sunday flying schedule for repairs. The maintenance performed has not been, in any way, associated to the chain of events that led to Monday's fateful flight, but is being considered in the preliminary investigation. However, due to the media's sensational (mis)reporting, there is a large amount of misinformation that continues to lead the news. Here is what we do know. Flying in the left seat of the B-17 was Capt. John Hess. John has been flying our Liberty Belle since 2005 and one of our most experienced B-17 pilots. He is an active Delta Air Lines Captain with over 14,000 hours of flying experience and flies a variety of vintage WWII aircraft. In the right seat was Bud Sittic. While Bud is new to the Liberty Foundation this year, he is also incredibly experienced with over 14,000 hours of flying time in vintage and hi-performance aircraft. He is a retired Captain with Delta Air Lines. The news misidentified the P-40 as flying chase during the accident. I was flying our P-40, however I had departed 20 minutes prior to the B-17's takeoff on the short flight to Indianapolis to setup for the B-17's arrival. The aircraft flying chase was a T-6 Texan flown by owner Cullen Underwood. Cullen is one of our rated B-17 Captains and an experienced aviator tagging along as a support ship. The takeoff of both aircraft was uneventful and proceeded on-course southeast. Prior to exiting Aurora's airport traffic area, the B-17 crew and passengers began investigating an acrid smell and started a turn back to the airport. Almost immediately thereafter, Cullen spotted flames coming from the left wing and reported over the radio that they were on fire. As all pilots know, there are few emergency situations that are more critical than having an in-flight fire. While it is extremely rare, it can (and sometimes does) indiscriminately affect aircraft of any age or type. In-flight fires have led to the loss of not only aircraft, but often can result in catastrophic loss of life. It requires an immediate action on the flight crew, as the integrity of aircraft structure, systems and critical components are in question. Directly below the B-17 was a farmer's field and the decision was made to land immediately. Approximately 1 minute and 40 seconds from the radio report of the fire, the B-17 was down safely on the field. Within that 1:40 time frame, the crew shutdown and feathered the number 2 engine, activated the engine's fire suppression system, lowered the landing gear and performed an on-speed landing. Bringing the B-17 to a quick stop, the crew and passengers quickly and safely exited the aircraft. Overhead in the T-6, Cullen professionally coordinated and directed the firefighting equipment which was dispatched by Aurora Tower to the landing location. Unlike the sensational photos that you have all seen of the completely burned B-17 on the news, you will see from photos taken by our crew that our Liberty Belle was undamaged by the forced landing and at the time of landing, the wing fire damage was relatively small. The crew actually unloaded bags, then had the horrible task of watching the aircraft slowly burn while waiting for the fire trucks to arrive. There were high hopes that the fire would be extinguished quickly and the damage would be repairable. Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to cross due to the area's recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field's edge, they sadly watched the wing fire spread to the aircraft's fuel cells and of course, you all have seen the end result. There is no doubt that had the fire equipment been able to reach our aircraft, the fire would have been quickly extinguished and our Liberty Belle would have been repaired to continue her worthwhile mission. Let me go on the record by thanking the flight crew for their professionalism. Their actions were nothing short of heroic and their quick thinking, actions and experience led to a "successful" outcome to this serious in-flight emergency. John and Bud (and Cullen) did a remarkable job under extreme circumstances and performed spectacularly. While the leading news stories have repeatedly reported the "crash" of our B-17, fact is they made a successful forced landing and the aircraft was ultimately consumed by fire. Airplanes are replaceable but people are not and while the aircraft's loss is tragic, it was a successful result. This leads me into discussing the exceptional safety record of the Boeing B-17 and to hopefully squash the naysayers who preach we should not be flying these types of aircraft. Since we first flew the "Liberty Belle" in December of 2004, we have flown over 20,000 passengers throughout the country and if you count our historic trip to Europe in 2008, worldwide. Of the other touring B-17s, some of which that have been touring for over 20 years, they have safely flown hundreds of thousands of people. The aircraft's safety record is spectacular and I am certain the overall cause of our issue, which is under investigation, will not tarnish that safety record. In fact, as many of you know, other B-17 have suffered significant damage (although not as bad as ours!), only to be re-built to fly again. >From a passenger carrying standpoint, I can think of few aircraft that offer the same level of safety as the 4-engine "Flying Fortress." As mentioned earlier, in-flight fires are extremely rare and certainly could affect any powered aircraft under certain circumstances. I would put my children today in any of the other touring B-17s to go fly. I suggest to anyone that was thinking of doing so when a B-17 visits your area to do so without giving our loss any thought. There is wild speculation going on as to the cause of our fire and the affect to other operators. Please let the investigation run its course and report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were quickly on the scene and we are working closely with them to aid in the investigation. As soon as we receive some additional information, we will release it via the website http://www.libertyfoundation.org . The ultimate question remains, where does the Liberty Foundation go from here? After the investigation and recovery, we will determine our options. We are still committed to the restoration and flying of World War II aircraft. Again, we appreciate the support and people offering to help get us back flying. Please check back for updates. I will close by thanking everyone that made our tour so successful. From the first day of the B-17's restoration, thank you for all of you who labored to get her flying over the initial restoration years and to everyone that has worked on her out on tour since. Thank you to the crewmembers, tour coordinators and volunteers who gave up weekends and countless hours to support her on the road. And finally, thank you to the passengers, donors and media patrons that flew aboard and everyone who supported our cause. Hopefully, this will not be the end of the story, but a new beginning. Regards, Ray Fowler The Liberty Foundation, Chief Pilot ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "K5YAC" Hey Charlie! I'm over here at Gundy's Airport (O38)... home of Chapter 10. I've been working on my project here for a little over two years. Came down to your neck of the woods a couple of months ago for the Wild Onion and Eggs Fly-In. We were planning to camp there the last couple of years, but the weather... wow! Can't catch a break. You going to Brodhead this year? What about any of the local events? -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343229#343229 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:20 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator John, John, John, Do you think this pack of jackals wants to see a good pilot? They want BLOOD! do not archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated cult classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case "smile son don't disconcert the masses" > > A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my flying circus do you got an act? > > Catch my drift? > > Do not archive less you have an act > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: Ryan Mueller > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator > > Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and ask....where's Broadhead? > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > Charlie, > > 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. You are now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and aircraft builders in the world (present company excepted). However... > > As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of mis-spelling Brodhead...the Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If you continue to mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive a curt reply from a certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. If the transgression continues, you will begin to see unwonted items show up in your mailbox at home...further transgressions will prompt a home visit from said surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. He may even have a following of "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned fellows, but serious non the less. > > Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this year. If you do, please look for me! > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: Piep > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator > Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM > > > Gary, > Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address. > > I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes. > > I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits. > > Thanks again, > Charlie > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:49 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Sudden death is my business not good pilots. I lose the crowd at the end of the month. Ill give ya the same deal as everybody else. You come up with an act where they think you're gonna die wait where they know you're gonna die and ill put ya on You might want to try wing walking I here its popular down south John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 21:56:17 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator John, John, John, Do you think this pack of jackals wants to see a good pilot? They want BLOOD! do not archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Always if one is able to reply in discussion with one holding seasoned status in the exact language and presentation accuracy of a celibrated cult classic there may be redemption available and granted in which case "smile son don't disconcert the masses" > > A little advice to the wise. I known you're a darn good pilot but barnstorming isn't what it used to be and now you want a job in my flying circus do you got an act? > > Catch my drift? > > Do not archive less you have an act > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: Ryan Mueller > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 19:38:39 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator > > Unfortunately he was too busy this morning to hop in on this thread and ask....where's Broadhead? > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > Charlie, > > 3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of e ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: johnson airspeed indicator From: gboothe5@comcast.net I have a feeling that said former Marine will have to stand in line! Gary Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: Gary Boothe Subject: Fw: johnson airspeed indicator Sent: Jun 16, 2011 2:58 PM ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Thu Jun 16 15:53:43 2011 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Piep wrote: > Gary, > Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look for you there. > Charlie[/u][/b] You'll have no problem finding Gary... he'll be the guy in a headlock, having a knot popped on his head by said former Marine. Ha! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343223#343223 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Hi Mark, Yep. I am about 3 miles south of the Cookson Airport which hosts the Wild Onions and Eggs fly-in. Snake Creek Wilderness is a paved strip on the mountain top 3,500 ft long and 150 ft. wide. The next time you are in the area, give me a call. Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343236#343236 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "K5YAC" Will do Charlie. Seems that I saw another event listed down there in the Vintage newsletter. Just wanted to add this so I could help keep the thread on topic. Rogers asked- Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed indicator? Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info found in the archives: ============ It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent perpendicular to lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil is 3/4" in diameter and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the pointer to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the plate, wire, and block. =============== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343240#343240 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:25 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Charlie, Here's the email I have for PF Beck: pfbeck@bellsouth.net Good luck, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piep Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator Gary, Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email of pfbeck@barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address. I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes. I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits. Thanks again, Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator From: "Piep" Thanks, Gary. I will try to contact him. What a great forum! Thanks to everyone who replied. I look forward to being part of the group. 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