Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:16 AM - Dillsburg Closing (Wayne Bressler)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: Another Cable Question (Jack)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: A engine (Jack)
4. 04:40 AM - Flight report- back in the air (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 04:58 AM - Re: Flight report- back in the air (Jerry Dotson)
6. 05:02 AM - Re: Flight report- back in the air (Jack)
7. 05:04 AM - Re: Dillsburg Closing (skellytown flyer)
8. 05:09 AM - Re: negative G loading for Piet wing (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:27 AM - Re: Another Cable Question (Charles Campbell)
10. 05:36 AM - Re: Dillsburg Closing (Charles Campbell)
11. 05:41 AM - Piet fix (Gboothe5)
12. 05:48 AM - Re: Dillsburg Closing (PatrickW)
13. 07:18 AM - Re: Piet fix (kevinpurtee)
14. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Piet fix (Gary Boothe)
15. 07:52 AM - Re: Dillsburg Closing (Doug Dever)
16. 09:05 AM - Re: Dillsburg Closing (jarheadpilot82)
17. 09:14 AM - Re: negative G loading for Piet wing (mark lee)
18. 03:05 PM - Twin Rivers Fly-In (Jack Phillips)
19. 03:22 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Gary Boothe)
20. 07:00 PM - Building a Piet on the farm..... (Jim Markle)
21. 07:10 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (RBush96589@aol.com)
22. 07:37 PM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Ryan Mueller)
23. 07:41 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Ryan Mueller)
24. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Flight report- back in the air (Brett Phillips)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Brett Phillips)
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| Subject: | Dillsburg Closing |
Saw this on the EAA site...
http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-06-16_dillsburg.asp
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Thanks Chuck I wasn't sure that type tool worked well. Looks like it does.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
#2. I meant to attach a pic to the first post so if I can get it to come up
here it is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:jack@textors.com>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Jim,
I don't remember that reference in the book. I used three for my tail
cables. I have seen some with one but wonder if the tool has a wider
surface. See pictures.
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/DSCN4200_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4199_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4201_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4202_800x600.jpg
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32
copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32
cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32
tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the
copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried
doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well
and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of
a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Enjoyed the pictures Jeff, beautiful work. Enjoyed the aileron cable
routing.
Jack
DSM
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 4:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A engine
Got a head for my engine this week... aluminum Thomas head 7:1... and made
a decision on the ignition.
got a mallory distributor and will run dual points like the corvair guys..
i've been driving my '30 AA a lot lately and even the original ignition it
that old truck just works. no fabbing a mount and drive for the magneto...
short wire runs.. and easy maintenance... i'm digging it.
http://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/
got some photos up
jeff
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| Subject: | Flight report- back in the air |
Hello Good People,
NX929DH finally graced the skies again yesterday for 1 1/2 hrs yesterday at
Poplar Grove. All went well and she is ready to go to Brodhead. Longer rep
ort later next week when I can get back to TN and to my Internet connection
(sitting here in McDonalds in Belvidere, IL.[famous hometown of Ryan Meull
er])
Looking forward to seeing everybody. Pray for good weather.
Dan Helsper
(from) Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- back in the air |
That is good news Dan. You taking her to Tennessee or staying in Il. Are you running
1 mag or 2?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Flight report- back in the air |
Dan that is fantastic news, congratulations! Look forward to seeing you in
Brodhead!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- back in the air
Hello Good People,
NX929DH finally graced the skies again yesterday for 1 1/2 hrs yesterday at
Poplar Grove. All went well and she is ready to go to Brodhead. Longer
report later next week when I can get back to TN and to my Internet
connection (sitting here in McDonalds in Belvidere, IL.[famous hometown of
Ryan Meuller])
Looking forward to seeing everybody. Pray for good weather.
Dan Helsper
(from) Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Closing |
Saw that the other day. interesting- that 4130 Aluminum tubing must be tough stuff
to weld. I'm surprised an aviation editor didn't catch that.Raymond
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| Subject: | negative G loading for Piet wing |
That story about a Piet that lost its wing trying to do a loop was used by
BHP to explain why Jury Struts should be installed on a Pietenpol. Negative
G loading will cause the lift struts to buckle if they are not braced near
the midpoint with Jury Struts.
I've never done anything more violent that a wingover in mine. A Pietenpol
just would not be a good aerobatic platform - too slow a roll rate and way
too much drag. If you want to build an aerobatic airplane, build a Pitts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: negative G loading for Piet wing
Mark asked-
>Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Another Cable Question |
It works fine! Just takes a little longer than the one with the long
handles -- like hedge clippers. When I was rebuilding a Piper TriPacer
a few years ago I used that type. When you're working alone I believe
the type with the two bolts is easier to use.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:14 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Thanks Chuck I wasn't sure that type tool worked well. Looks like it
does.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 8:24 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
#2. I meant to attach a pic to the first post so if I can get it to
come up here it is.
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From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Jim,
I don't remember that reference in the book. I used three for my
tail cables. I have seen some with one but wonder if the tool has a
wider surface. See pictures.
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/DSCN4200_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4199_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4201_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4202_800x600.jpg
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:01 AM
To: pietenpol-list
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that
3/32 copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using
3/32 cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets
with 3/32 tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one
crimp on the copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp?
Tried doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't
look well and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in
the middle of a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Closing |
Someone at EAA better get their act together. Was Charlie a "WW 2 B-17
pilot" or was he the "Base Sergeant Major"? Don't believe he could have
been a B-17 pilot as a Sergeant Major.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Bressler" <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Closing
> <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
>
> Saw this on the EAA site...
>
> http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-06-16_dillsburg.asp
>
> Wayne Bressler
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> www.taildraggersinc.com
>
>
>
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I'm going to be in Bloomington, IN for a couple days and will be looking for
a Piet fix on Monday night, June 27..anybody out there?
Gary
Cool, Ca.
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| Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Closing |
Didn't know he did all the Indy & NASCAR stuff, too.
> In addition to providing aircraft grade tubing, Dillsburg supplies all of Indy
Car and NASCAR worldwide.
This business will be picked up by somebody...
- Pat
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Patrick Hoyt
601XLb/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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Short trip south to Austin. Just sayin'.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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I'll be there! Crack a beer, and go ahead and start without me...
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-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet fix
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Short trip south to Austin. Just sayin'.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Dillsburg Closing |
Actually=2C warrant officers did tly fixed wing during WWII. In the movie "
The Battle of Brittain" you will see some pilots with sergeant stripes.
That part was historically accurate. Dunno about the rest of the movie.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: cncampbell@windstream.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Closing
> Date: Sat=2C 18 Jun 2011 08:34:09 -0400
>
stream.net>
>
> Someone at EAA better get their act together. Was Charlie a "WW 2 B-17
> pilot" or was he the "Base Sergeant Major"? Don't believe he could have
> been a B-17 pilot as a Sergeant Major.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Bressler" <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday=2C June 18=2C 2011 6:14 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Closing
>
>
> > <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
> >
> > Saw this on the EAA site...
> >
> > http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-06-16_dillsburg.asp
> >
> > Wayne Bressler
> > Taildraggers=2C Inc.
> > www.taildraggersinc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Closing |
I don't know if EAA got it right, since they also had 4130 Aluminum tubing in the
article, but for those interested in Flying Sergeants, refer to the following
website-
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=31103853
Interesting read for us History Geeks (I am one of those that love history and
all of its minutiae)
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: negative G loading for Piet wing |
No Jury Struts and trying to loop a Piet! I suppose flying into the side of
a barn is also a bad idea.Sorry but I've picked up a bit of a dark sense of
humor over the years.Easier to laugh at tragedy than to cry at times. I'm
interested in how bad the air can get before being in it becomes a bad thing
in the average Piet.The stresses of falling out of a bad loop without Jury
Struts,is as good a place as any to start visualizing.Nice to know that the
failure was way-way out of any normal sane flight parameter.
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> That story about a Piet that lost its wing trying to do a loop was used by
> BHP to explain why Jury Struts should be installed on a Pietenpol.
> Negative
> G loading will cause the lift struts to buckle if they are not braced near
> the midpoint with Jury Struts.
>
> I've never done anything more violent that a wingover in mine. A Pietenpol
> just would not be a good aerobatic platform - too slow a roll rate and way
> too much drag. If you want to build an aerobatic airplane, build a Pitts.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
> Zuniga
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:45 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: negative G loading for Piet wing
>
>
>
> Mark asked-
>
> >Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
>
> I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
> last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
> G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
> very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
> structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
> attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
>
> Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
> and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> Medford, OR
>
>
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| Subject: | Twin Rivers Fly-In |
Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of
Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was flying
it, although he can't give rides yet since he's still flying off the Phase I
hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my wife, Karen, in the front seat.
Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000 there, and his friend Pete Hays had
his Skybolt. Both of them brought their sons - good to see young kids
fooling around with airplanes. In addition there were various other
airplanes there, including a Piper Comanche and a Light Sport called a
Chinook, that looks something like a Titan Tornado.
Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn't climb all that well when
heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind bringing Karen back to
Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly because I wanted her to get
her first ride in a biplane). It had taken us 20 minutes to climb from 900'
to 3500' to get over the Blue Ridge mountains on the way there, and that was
in the morning, when it was cool.
Here is a picture of Matt's new Pietenpol. Those of you coming to Brodhead
next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another 27 hours in the
next month.
Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in:
And here is Gene's Travel Air in flight:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In |
C=99mon, Matt! Just an hour a day...that=99s all we ask!
Gary
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From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Twin Rivers Fly-In
Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of
Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was
flying it, although he can=99t give rides yet since he=99s
still flying off the Phase I hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my
wife, Karen, in the front seat. Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000
there, and his friend Pete Hays had his Skybolt. Both of them brought
their sons - good to see young kids fooling around with airplanes. In
addition there were various other airplanes there, including a Piper
Comanche and a Light Sport called a Chinook, that looks something like a
Titan Tornado.
Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn=99t climb all
that well when heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind
bringing Karen back to Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly
because I wanted her to get her first ride in a biplane). It had taken
us 20 minutes to climb from 900=99 to 3500=99 to get over
the Blue Ridge mountains on the way there, and that was in the morning,
when it was cool.
Here is a picture of Matt=99s new Pietenpol. Those of you coming
to Brodhead next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another
27 hours in the next month.
Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in:
And here is Gene=99s Travel Air in flight:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Building a Piet on the farm..... |
Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday and helped
ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have someone
work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that stops by gets
a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a project....
It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they pitched
in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps.
Thanks guys.
Jim in Pryor....
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In |
looks like a fun day was had.Gene that is a nice looking plane. you should
have been bringing it to Brodhead all these years it would fit right in.
looking forward to seeing every one there next month.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... |
Very cool Jim. Kudos to Larry and Mark for coming over to help, and good to
see hands on your Piet!!
Ryan
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday
> and helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have
> someone work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that
> stops by gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a
> project....
>
> It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they
> pitched in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
> Jim in Pryor....
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In |
Well, we can't have the joint classed up too much. Next thing you know, they
revoke our reprobate cards....
Ryan
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:07 PM, <RBush96589@aol.com> wrote:
> **
> looks like a fun day was had.Gene that is a nice looking plane. you should
> have been bringing it to Brodhead all these years it would fit right in.
> looking forward to seeing every one there next month.
> Randy Bush
> NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- back in the air |
Very good news Dan! I too am curious to hear what you worked out.
Whatever the solution, if it works, FLY IT!
Brett Phillips
NX311GP
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| Subject: | Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In |
The weather there must have been better than at the northern end of the
Shenandoah Valley today. Humid and overcast here with cells in the
afternoon. Still, had I known, I would have gladly driven the 2 hours to
see some REAL airplanes. I need to get lower to the ground...
(Ironically, I think that involves having an airplane that FLIES, but I'm
working on that...:-) )
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
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