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1. 05:38 AM - NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Gboothe5)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Gboothe5)
4. 06:22 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Ryan Mueller)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jim Markle)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Brett Phillips)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jeff Boatright)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Jim Markle)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: A engine (Brett Phillips)
11. 09:24 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
12. 10:20 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Gary Boothe)
13. 10:26 AM - Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (ldmill)
14. 12:24 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Bill Princell)
15. 01:39 PM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (K5YAC)
16. 01:46 PM - Ohio piet fly-in washed out (shad bell)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (skellytown flyer)
18. 02:35 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (steve emo)
19. 02:36 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (ldmill)
20. 02:47 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (skellytown flyer)
21. 02:53 PM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (bender)
22. 03:30 PM - Throttle cover (Gary Boothe)
23. 03:42 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Dan Yocum)
24. 04:30 PM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jack Phillips)
25. 04:55 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Jack Phillips)
26. 04:57 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
27. 05:06 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Jack Phillips)
28. 05:42 PM - Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Dan Yocum)
29. 05:54 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Dillsburg Closing the rest of the story (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 06:21 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Gary Boothe)
32. 06:38 PM - Pietenpol Flying Video (Jack Phillips)
33. 06:43 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Dan Yocum)
34. 07:11 PM - Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church)
35. 07:28 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Kringle)
36. 07:31 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (lowell23@msn.com)
37. 07:44 PM - Re: Throttle cover (kevinpurtee)
38. 08:38 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Jim Boyer)
39. 08:44 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Ryan Mueller)
40. 08:44 PM - Re: Throttle cover (aerocarjake)
41. 08:48 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Ryan Mueller)
42. 08:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol Flying Video (Jim Boyer)
43. 10:42 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (Matthew VanDervort)
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Subject: | NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Well,
I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first t
ime I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really
happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that th
e carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke
periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also
on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fue
l level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little,
but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence.
BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direc
t result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the g
ood Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return
the the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falli
ng apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylin
der, there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too f
ast. On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon beg
an to build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the
airport to discover the timing gear disintegration.
So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar
Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no-
lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went
to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 10
0LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immedia
te difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more mi
ssing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck
out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the
pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop be
cause I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to
the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbo
n anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved t
he problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me.
Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He
got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Bla
ke and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywher
e yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.
So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confiden
ce levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be re
ady for Brodhead.
Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in P
G), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DV
D player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut coul
d ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the
airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race w
ith his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach ove
r the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane
wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills
every time.
Dan Helsper
Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday
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Subject: | NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running
no-lead, whether it's a different plug or carb adjustment (I don't know
enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful
plane!
Gary
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note
Well,
I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first
time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really
happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the
carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke
periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also
on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel
level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little,
but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence.
BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct
result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good
Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the
the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falling
apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder,
there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast.
On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to
build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport
to discover the timing gear disintegration.
So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar
Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the
no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try.
Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank
with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an
immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No
more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the
heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to
the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop
because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to
the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon
anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the
problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me.
Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He
got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake
and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere
yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.
So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with
confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in
to be ready for Brodhead.
Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in
PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the
DVD player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut
could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of
the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly
race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it
approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of
the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it
gives me chills every time.
Dan Helsper
Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday
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Subject: | Building a Piet on the farm..... |
Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you continue to
make progress...
Gary
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday and helped
ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have someone
work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that stops by gets
a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a project....
It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they pitched
in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps.
Thanks guys.
Jim in Pryor....
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Meh....stick with the good stuff. Smells better too ;-)
do not archive
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running
> no-lead, whether it=92s a different plug or carb adjustment (I don=92t kn
ow
> enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful
> plane!****
>
> ** **
>
> Gary****
>
> Do not archive****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> helspersew@aol.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note****
>
> ** **
>
>
> Well, ****
>
> I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first
> time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is real
ly
> happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that
the
> carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke
> periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and als
o
> on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the f
uel
> level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little,
> but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence
.
> BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a dire
ct
> result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the g
ood
> Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return t
he
> the airport to discover my *other* problem of the second mag drive fallin
g
> apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylind
er,
> there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast
.
> On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began
to
> build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airp
ort
> to discover the timing gear disintegration. ****
>
> ****
>
> So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Popl
ar
> Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the
> no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try.
> Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank
> with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made a
n
> immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. N
o
> more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew
the
> heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back
to
> the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to st
op
> because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back
to
> the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO car
bon
> anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved t
he
> problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. ****
>
> ****
>
> Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl.
He
> got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Bl
ake
> and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere
> yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.****
>
> ****
>
> So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with
> confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back i
n
> to be ready for Brodhead.****
>
> ****
>
> Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in
> PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the
> DVD player. That has *got* to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nu
t
> could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound o
f
> the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod,
> excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seei
ng
> it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly
of
> the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it
> gives me chills every time.****
>
> ****
>
> Dan Helsper****
>
> Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday****
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Subject: | NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
You are a sap.and don't call me Shirley.
Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am now the
proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate improvement in
climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance. With this prop the
plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff. I can hardly wait to fly
it to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note
Well,
I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first
time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really
happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the
carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke
periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also
on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel
level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little,
but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence.
BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct
result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good
Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the
the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falling
apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder,
there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast.
On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to
build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport
to discover the timing gear disintegration.
So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar
Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the
no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try.
Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank
with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an
immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No
more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the
heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to
the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop
because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to
the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon
anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the
problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me.
Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He
got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake
and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere
yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.
So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with
confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in
to be ready for Brodhead.
Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in
PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the
DVD player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut
could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of
the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly
race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it
approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of
the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it
gives me chills every time.
Dan Helsper
Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Great news, thanks for the update Dan. This note goes into my "engine hints" file!
It's really great to hear you have everything running again and thanks for
documenting the process. I had the same problem with carbon/black smoke on
my A. When I get it back on the fuse and running I'm going to try the solutions
you mention below. Now I'm thinking maybe I need to put my dual plug head
on. Great info.
Sorry to hear you'll be sitting in McDonalds at Poplar Grove until Tuesday. Well,
you'll meet some interesting people and make some new friends. :-)
REALLY looking forward to Brodhead this year.....
Jim in Pryor....
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Jun 19, 2011 7:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note
Well,
I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first time
I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really happening
to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the carb was
running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke periodically
and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also on the plugs. (This
was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel level in the float
chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, but the problem still
persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. BTW I have concluded that
my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct result of this phenominon,
not related to ignition. As it turns out the good Lord was actually looking out
for me that day, and allowed me to return the the airport to discover my other
problem of the second mag drive falling apart. My new theory is this: When
I had two functioning plugs per cylinder, there was just enough combustion to
keep me from building carbon too fast. On that last flight in Sept. when the
2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to build to the point of the very rough running,
forcing me back to the airport to discover the timing gear disintegration.
So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar Grove
Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no-lead car
gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went to the pumps
and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 100LL. So at that
point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immediate difference. No
more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more missing. Plenty of power
even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck out of it right over the
airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the pumps again and refilled
with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop because I discovered a small fuel
tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to the hangar and pulled the plugs
to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon anywhere. I am not smart enough
to know why this switch of fuel solved the problem. I am sure there are some
on this list that can tell me.
Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He got
some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake and
took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere yet but
I will watch for it and let y'all know.
So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confidence levels
rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be ready for
Brodhead.
Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in PG),
I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DVD player.
That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut could ever tire
of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the airplane engine
in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race with his dog over
to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach over the trees, fall on
his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane wizzing a few feet above
his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills every time.
Dan Helsper
Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Dan:
It's always good to be able to take time to thoroughly analyze a problem
and think through all possible repercussions. It sounds like you have
done exactly that. I'm glad to hear that things are going your way again.
With regard to the rich mixture condition, several folks over on the
FordBarn Model A forum have complained about rich mixtures that can't be
adjusted by normal means. Some say that this is the result of oversized
jets that are being sold in rebuild kits, and others say that it is due to
differences in modern fuels from those in use when the A was new. In any
event, the usual fix is to solder the jets closed, then re-drill at a
smaller size. This will require some experimentation, but you should end
up with an engine with improved power, efficiency, and reliability. As a
starting point, here's a link to a table of various rebuilders' jet size
preferences and a short explanation of how they were originally designated:
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/jetflowrates.htm
Assuming you also have a "B" carburetor, this is another good page from
the same site in case you haven't seen it before:
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/bcarbassembly.htm
It'll be great to see the videos!
Brett Phillips
NX311GP
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Jack,
Glad to hear someone else had the experience we had with a CC prop.
What's the pitch and diameter? I put ours to good effect yesterday,
'rocketing' up through an inversion to get to smooth air. BTW, not you
ever have to do these, but go-arounds became a non-event with our CC prop.
Jeff
On 6/19/11 9:27 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> You are a sap...and don't call me Shirley.
>
> Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am
> now the proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate
> improvement in climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance.
> With this prop the plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff.
> I can hardly wait to fly it to Brodhead.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
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Subject: | Building a Piet on the farm..... |
Very generous! Mark was SANDING! How much fun is that??? (Not much...)
I didn't even realize how stressed I've been lately until after the two of them
left....
Funny how friends come through like that when even I don't EVEN realize how much
we need them.
Life is good.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2011 8:14 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
>
>
>Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you continue to
make progress...
>
>Gary
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
>
>Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday and
helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have someone
work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that stops by
gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a project....
>
>It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they pitched
in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps.
>
>Thanks guys.
>
>Jim in Pryor....
>
>
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Great progress Jeff! You are clearly dedicating lots of time and effort to your
Piet, and the workmanship looks great! The distributor ignition sounds like it
will work out well. Do you have an alternator in mind? One of the little Kubota/Yanmar/John
Deere units might work well. Lots of folks are using them with
good success on other engines.
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
On my Bonanza, on my old Cessna 150 and in my buddies 65HP Aeronca Champ, we have
all used a little bit of Marvel Mystery Oil. Though I have tried SEAFOAM and
liked what it does. Might try that in some hightest autofuel and see what you
get.
Irregardless (which means regarding) MMO is polarizing, people tend to be either
MMO believers or heretics. The only thing I am sure that it has done is I have
used MMO to clear up a sticking valve (in the oil and gas). I have used SEAFOAM
when a vehicle coming out of storage is running a little rough. It seems
to fix whatever is a problem.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note
> Meh....stick with the good stuff. Smells better too ;-)
>
> do not archive
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Gboothe5 < wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running
> > no-lead, whether its a different plug or carb adjustment (I dont know
> > enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful
> > plane!****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Gary****
> >
> > Do not archive****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> > helspersew@aol.com
> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM
> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> >
> > Well, ****
> >
> > I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first
> > time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really
> > happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the
> > carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke
> > periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also
> > on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel
> > level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little,
> > but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence.
> > BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct
> > result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good
> > Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the
> > the airport to discover my *other* problem of the second mag drive falling
> > apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder,
> > there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast.
> > On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to
> > build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport
> > to discover the timing gear disintegration. ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar
> > Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the
> > no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try.
> > Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank
> > with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an
> > immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No
> > more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the
> > heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to
> > the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop
> > because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to
> > the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon
> > anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the
> > problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He
> > got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake
> > and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere
> > yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with
> > confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in
> > to be ready for Brodhead.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in
> > PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the
> > DVD player. That has *got* to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut
> > could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of
> > the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod,
> > excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing
> > it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of
> > the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it
> > gives me chills every time.****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Dan Helsper****
> >
> > Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > ****
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://forums.matronics.com*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> >
> > **
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *
> >
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Subject: | Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... |
If I had the opportunity to have Mark over, I'd just give him sandpaper,
too. Not much loss if he 'inadvertently' sticks it in his pocket...
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
Very generous! Mark was SANDING! How much fun is that??? (Not much...)
I didn't even realize how stressed I've been lately until after the two of
them left....
Funny how friends come through like that when even I don't EVEN realize how
much we need them.
Life is good.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2011 8:14 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
>
>
>Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you
>continue to make progress...
>
>Gary
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm.....
>
>Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday
>and helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have
>someone work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that
>stops by gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a
>project....
>
>It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they
>pitched in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps.
>
>Thanks guys.
>
>Jim in Pryor....
>
>
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Subject: | Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica |
fly-in
Flew the GN-1 on my first nice long cross country flight - from Marshalltown, Iowa
to Gardner, Kansas (280 miles) on Thursday/Friday for the WW1 replica fly-in.
Made it back last night at 9pm. 11.1 hours total flying time.
Flight down had some huge headwinds(20-25mph+), was down to a ground speed of 38-39
mph at times. It took 6.1 hours - much of that was due to my flying partner's
plane - he has a scratch built 6/10 scale WW1 Voison French Bomber that he
built. It cruises at 50 mph. Much S-turning for me. We stopped at Corydon, Iowa
to refuel - neat airport by some ponds with steel dinosaurs in the front yard
- my 10 yr old loved it. We also stopped at Chillicothe, Missouri to ride
out a storm (they were nice enough to stuff us in a big hanger), then headed west
to Amelia Earhart airport in Kansas - cool place to fly into - and yes, it
is the home of Amelia Earhart! We over-nighted in Lawrence, Ks due to darkness,
then to Gardner the next morning (against 15mph winds). FYI, the Missouri river
flooding is impressive!
Massive thunderstorms down there last several days - the dog chain tie downs worked
great! We had 40+ mph winds gusting upwards to 60 on Friday night. Unfortunately
- the Voison spike tie downs came loose in the soft soil and he had to
build a new lower rudder and rebuild his aileron due to hitting another airplane
and a hanger I think. We found his plane in a drainage ditch several hundred
yards away. He was in the air by 5:30 Saturday night on the way home.
There were a bunch of really cool planes down there! A gorgeous Fokker DR-1 Triplane,
many Nieuports/Sopwiths, a Siemens-Schukert, and others that I just had
no clue what they were. Met Robert Baslee again (Aerdrome Airplanes - cool place
to visit), Rick Bennet, Dick and Sharon Starks (they took a pic of my with
my GN-1 right when I got there Friday morning) FYI- when I was at Baslee's
place last year, ran into Mark Anderson who proceeded to give me a tour of his
private aircraft museum which included no less than 8 Pietenpols. He knows model
A engines extremely well. He actually has Bernie's original Corvair engine
there also. He also has an original converted Henderson that he had just taken
out of the shipping crate - it's in great condition.
My flight back (by myself) was 4 hours exactly (went southerly/eastern route around
thee Class B airspace). Rough down in Kansas city area - perfectly smooth
from about Lexington on north. I highly recommend visiting Lexington if you ever
get a chance. The owner is a total gear head that builds custom motorcycles
in his back shop and they are total eye candy! He's also a licensed parachute
rigger and jump instructor - used to compete on the US team and jumps at the
Air Force academy with the cadets occasionally. If I remember correctly, his
name is Tom Dolphin.
I really appreciated having the extra fuel in this plane - have a 14 gallon header
tank and a 4+ gallon center section tank. Made Gardner to Corydon, Iowa (190
miles) no problem. Could have made it the entire 280 mile trip almost on one
tank - but would have been on fumes with absolutely nothing left for "just in
case". Burns 4.5 g/hr with the A-75 and had an average cruise of about 74mph
on way back with slight tailwind of 2-4 mph.
Also - having an aviation GPS - while it isn't really required in a Piet/GN - and
looks kind of funny in it - is invaluable - most especially when dealing with
the Class B airspace and staying out of it. I've got an old Garmin Pilot III
that works perfect.
Oh yea - watched a Sonex in Gardner land short of the runway and ripped his titanium
gear off in a shallow rain filled swamp. Owner walked away okay. He was
coming in low and slow, got too low and hit the throttle - and the engine burped-
and that was all she wrote. He'd been having carb adjustment issues just previously
that morning.
Later!
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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Subject: | Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In |
Hi Jack:
If you had one of those 100hp crank snappers up front she could have flown
home with you.
Bill -
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
e:
> **
>
> Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of
> Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was flying
> it, although he can=92t give rides yet since he=92s still flying off the
Phase I
> hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my wife, Karen, in the front seat.
> Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000 there, and his friend Pete Hays h
ad
> his Skybolt. Both of them brought their sons - good to see young kids
> fooling around with airplanes. In addition there were various other
> airplanes there, including a Piper Comanche and a Light Sport called a
> Chinook, that looks something like a Titan Tornado.****
>
> ** **
>
> Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn=92t climb all that well
when
> heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind bringing Karen back t
o
> Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly because I wanted her to get
> her first ride in a biplane). It had taken us 20 minutes to climb from 9
00=92
> to 3500=92 to get over the **Blue Ridge mountains** on the way there, and
> that was in the morning, when it was cool.****
>
> ** **
>
> Here is a picture of Matt=92s new Pietenpol. Those of you coming to Brod
head
> next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another 27 hours in th
e
> next month.****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in:****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> And here is Gene=92s Travel Air in flight:****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94****
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
>
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Subject: | Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... |
Yep, had a great time hanging out, and Tyler always likes coming out to see the
chickens and other critters you've got running around. As for sanding... that
Doug Fir is HARD stuff! I swear you must have sharpened those ribs before I
came out just to give me something to do. HA! I've never felt wood so sharp!
Note to self... self, don't use Doug Fir.
Glad we could help out. Looking forward to the next time.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Ohio piet fly-in washed out |
Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash.- We had the nicest Pietenpol at th
e fly-in (the only airplane there).- I am thinking of trying to do one in
the fall, possibly september if there is any interest.- The weather in j
une is so unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future.
- We did bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardr
op camper he built, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead.- The p
eople who drove in admired the camper as much or more than the piet.
-
Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns,
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica |
fly-in
That friend's name would'nt be Corey would it? if so I know him. Raymond. do not
archive
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Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out |
freeze them for later -- I promise to try.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the
> fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the
> fall, possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is
> so unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did
> bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardrop camper he
> built, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The people who drove
> in admired the camper as much or more than the piet.
>
> Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns,
> Shad
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica |
fly-in
Yup - that would be Corey.
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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Subject: | Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica |
fly-in
what a tough deal.it took some guts to try a flight like that in the Voisin anyway.
hope he didn't have too much torn up.visited with him once when I was on
a job up north of Des Moines. I got my ailerons re-covered and back on my GN-1
and flew it home yesterday morning before the winds kicked up again.I think it
did help the handling. for sure it helped my peace of mind. now if I can get
the tach problems resolved on my Corvair and a distributor checked over by WW
I'll get back to crank snappin if winds and temps get decent. it was around 106
just now here. guess I'm a wimp.Raymond. do not archive.
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Subject: | Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Hey Dan.. are you running a B carb ??
what did you do with the mixture adjustment ?
on my '30 AA truck i only open the mixture when i get water in the fuel so it will
have enough fuel to run..
otherwise the mixture is all the way closed to 1/4 turn open.. anything more and
its rich
i have a couple of aftermarket A carbs... a tillotson and a marvel ... lots of
guys swear by the tillotson X and they are both aluminum ... way lighter than
the Zenith cast iron carbs
i plan to try both of them and see how they run.. i may put em on my truck first
and see if one is better
nice to hear you're flying.... i can't wait to hear mine run
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Here=99s picture of my throttle =9Cquadrant=9D cover
before....
Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for
modification...(I=99ve added a primer set-up)...
Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder,
Jerry Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think
it=99s cool to have contributions from other builders!
THANKS, JERRY!!!
Gary
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Subject: | Re: Throttle cover |
Very nice, guys!
Do not archive
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Here=99s picture of my throttle =9Cquadrant=9D cover bef
ore....
>
> <Throttle%20Link,%201[3].jpg>
>
> Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for modification...(I
=99ve added a primer set-up)...
>
> <Throttle%20-%20modified[3].jpg>
>
> Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder, Jerry
Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think it=99
s cool to have contributions from other builders!
>
> THANKS, JERRY!!!
> Gary
>
>
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Subject: | NX929DH update....Model A guys take note |
Jeff,
My new prop is a 76" diameter and 38" pitch.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note
Jack,
Glad to hear someone else had the experience we had with a CC prop. What's
the pitch and diameter? I put ours to good effect yesterday, 'rocketing' up
through an inversion to get to smooth air. BTW, not you ever have to do
these, but go-arounds became a non-event with our CC prop.
Jeff
On 6/19/11 9:27 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
You are a sap.and don't call me Shirley.
Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am now the
proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate improvement in
climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance. With this prop the
plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff. I can hardly wait to fly
it to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Twin Rivers Fly-In |
Not the kind of terrain I would fly over with anything but a reliable
engine. I fixed th climb problem later in the day by installing a new
Cloudcars prop. 33% improvement in climb rate and 3 mph faster cruise.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Princell
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Twin Rivers Fly-In
Hi Jack:
If you had one of those 100hp crank snappers up front she could have flown
home with you.
Bill -
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of
Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was flying
it, although he can't give rides yet since he's still flying off the Phase I
hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my wife, Karen, in the front seat.
Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000 there, and his friend Pete Hays had
his Skybolt. Both of them brought their sons - good to see young kids
fooling around with airplanes. In addition there were various other
airplanes there, including a Piper Comanche and a Light Sport called a
Chinook, that looks something like a Titan Tornado.
Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn't climb all that well when
heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind bringing Karen back to
Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly because I wanted her to get
her first ride in a biplane). It had taken us 20 minutes to climb from 900'
to 3500' to get over the Blue Ridge mountains on the way there, and that was
in the morning, when it was cool.
Here is a picture of Matt's new Pietenpol. Those of you coming to Brodhead
next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another 27 hours in the
next month.
Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in:
And here is Gene's Travel Air in flight:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out |
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Very nice, Gary! I can hardly wait to see your Pietenpol floating in over
the corn at Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover
Here's picture of my throttle "quadrant" cover before....
Throttle Link, 1
Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for modification...(I've
added a primer set-up)...
Throttle - modified
Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder, Jerry
Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think it's cool to
have contributions from other builders!
THANKS, JERRY!!!
Gary
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Subject: | Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport |
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove |
Airport
nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, new
guy?
John
In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yocum137@gmail.com writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Closing the rest of the story |
The young Mr. Roger Penske shows up at the former Edgcomb metals in York PA
looking for 4130 to build race car frames. Edgcomb metals spold that
material but the salesman sent him to Mr. Vogelsong who could more easily supply
those materials at such meager quantities. Hence Mr. Vogelsong was thrust
into the race world as a renowned supplier of 4130 tubing and sheet stock.
The salesmen's name was Frank King who is the Vice President and General
Manager of Macsteel Service centers USA York PA branch. I learned of that
story one day when I was visiting our York Branch looking for 4130 material
and was told the story by Frank.
Just a little tidbit of historical information and no York does not handle
4130 anymore much to my dissatisfaction. I really could use some of that
stuff!
John
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In a message dated 6/18/2011 8:48:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pwhoyt@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Didn't know he did all the Indy & NASCAR stuff, too.
> In addition to providing aircraft grade tubing, Dillsburg supplies all
of Indy Car and NASCAR worldwide.
This business will be picked up by somebody...
- Pat
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601XLb/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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Subject: | Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove |
Airport
Nice! Love to see Helsper back up...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove
Airport
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Pietenpol Flying Video |
My lovely wife, Karen, flew with me to Matt Paxton's Twin Rivers Airport
fly-in this weekend, This involved crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains
to get into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia (the pass we flew through
required us to get to about 3500' to get over it). It's nice having someone
along to flim the trip - I'm usually too busy flying to take snapshots, much
less video.
This was the last flight made with my old propeller, which gave us a rate of
climb with two people on board of between 100 and 200 fpm. My new Cloudcars
prop gives a solid 500 fpm climb so such a trip would not be so arduous.
Here's her video, showing the altitudes and airspeeds involved, The scenery
was beautiful. Too bad the weather wasn't as nice, but it wasn't bad. For
those building Pietenpols, maybe this will show you what you can expect once
you have your bird flying and can take it to local fly-ins. There's nothing
like it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAN3oZQvpVo
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove |
Airport
I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas.
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, ne
w guy?
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum137@
gmail.com writes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_playe
r
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Subject: | Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
Yesterday was the First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic. Filling in where the
Brussels Pietenpol Picnic left off, after twenty consecutive years. The weather
was excellent. Two Air Campers in attendance, and lots of Pietenpol fans and
friends. Many in attendance got to experience first hand, the thrill of an open
cockpit Pietenpol ride.
Attached is a picture I took that I classify as one of those lucky shots - more
dumb luck than planning or skill, especially with those stupid viewing screens
on the back of the camera, as opposed to a proper viewfinder. Anyway, I like
the shot. And yes, it's a big file. Sorry... well, not really. It was even bigger,
but I reduced it to half size.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
Nice pic! It's my new screen saver.
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John
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Subject: | Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
That is a beautiful shot! Congratulations on your luck in getting it.
Lowell
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Subject: | Re: Throttle cover |
Heck, yeah!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Throttle cover |
Hi Gary,
Very nice; looks like a chrome hot rod special. Really highlights against the varnish
color.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove |
Airport
Seeing him in the airplane you'd never know he's 6'4" and 250....
Ryan
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas.
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>
> nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown,
> new guy?
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> yocum137@gmail.com writes:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
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Subject: | Re: Throttle cover |
Nice...... Aircraft Spruce is gonna want to carry them...!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
You should send that to AvWeb for their POTW contest. Maybe someone besides
Gary Dikkers could win it...
Ryan
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Yesterday was the First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic. Filling in where
> the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic left off, after twenty consecutive years. The
> weather was excellent. Two Air Campers in attendance, and lots of Pietenpol
> fans and friends. Many in attendance got to experience first hand, the
> thrill of an open cockpit Pietenpol ride.
> Attached is a picture I took that I classify as one of those lucky shots -
> more dumb luck than planning or skill, especially with those stupid viewing
> screens on the back of the camera, as opposed to a proper viewfinder.
> Anyway, I like the shot. And yes, it's a big file. Sorry... well, not
> really. It was even bigger, but I reduced it to half size.
>
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343504#343504
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/waterdown_410.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Flying Video |
Hi Jack,
Thanks for the video.=C2- It makes want to=C2- work harder and get my P
iet done.
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out |
Sorry shad, been really busy with work.. Can i make a donation to help with
port-o-potty and what not? Let me know how!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:44 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the
fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the
fall, possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is s
o unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did br
ing dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardrop camper he b
uilt, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The people who drove i
n admired the camper as much or more than the piet.
>
> Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns,
> Shad
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