---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/19/11: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Gboothe5) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Gboothe5) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Ryan Mueller) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jack Phillips) 6. 07:00 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jim Markle) 7. 07:09 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Brett Phillips) 8. 07:26 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jeff Boatright) 9. 07:36 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Jim Markle) 10. 07:42 AM - Re: A engine (Brett Phillips) 11. 09:24 AM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 12. 10:20 AM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (Gary Boothe) 13. 10:26 AM - Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (ldmill) 14. 12:24 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Bill Princell) 15. 01:39 PM - Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... (K5YAC) 16. 01:46 PM - Ohio piet fly-in washed out (shad bell) 17. 02:11 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (skellytown flyer) 18. 02:35 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (steve emo) 19. 02:36 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (ldmill) 20. 02:47 PM - Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in (skellytown flyer) 21. 02:53 PM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (bender) 22. 03:30 PM - Throttle cover (Gary Boothe) 23. 03:42 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Dan Yocum) 24. 04:30 PM - Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Jack Phillips) 25. 04:55 PM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Jack Phillips) 26. 04:57 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 27. 05:06 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Jack Phillips) 28. 05:42 PM - Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Dan Yocum) 29. 05:54 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 30. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Dillsburg Closing the rest of the story (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 31. 06:21 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Gary Boothe) 32. 06:38 PM - Pietenpol Flying Video (Jack Phillips) 33. 06:43 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Dan Yocum) 34. 07:11 PM - Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Bill Church) 35. 07:28 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Kringle) 36. 07:31 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (lowell23@msn.com) 37. 07:44 PM - Re: Throttle cover (kevinpurtee) 38. 08:38 PM - Re: Throttle cover (Jim Boyer) 39. 08:44 PM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (Ryan Mueller) 40. 08:44 PM - Re: Throttle cover (aerocarjake) 41. 08:48 PM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Ryan Mueller) 42. 08:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol Flying Video (Jim Boyer) 43. 10:42 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (Matthew VanDervort) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first t ime I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that th e carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fue l level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direc t result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the g ood Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falli ng apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylin der, there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too f ast. On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon beg an to build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport to discover the timing gear disintegration. So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no- lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 10 0LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immedia te difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more mi ssing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop be cause I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbo n anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved t he problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Bla ke and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywher e yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know. So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confiden ce levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be re ady for Brodhead. Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in P G), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DV D player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut coul d ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race w ith his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach ove r the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills every time. Dan Helsper Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:36 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running no-lead, whether it's a different plug or carb adjustment (I don't know enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful plane! Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Well, I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falling apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder, there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast. On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport to discover the timing gear disintegration. So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know. So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be ready for Brodhead. Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DVD player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills every time. Dan Helsper Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:41 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you continue to make progress... Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday and helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have someone work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that stops by gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a project.... It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they pitched in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps. Thanks guys. Jim in Pryor.... ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note From: Ryan Mueller Meh....stick with the good stuff. Smells better too ;-) do not archive On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running > no-lead, whether it=92s a different plug or carb adjustment (I don=92t kn ow > enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful > plane!**** > > ** ** > > Gary**** > > Do not archive**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > helspersew@aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note**** > > ** ** > > > Well, **** > > I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first > time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is real ly > happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the > carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke > periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and als o > on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the f uel > level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, > but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence .. > BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a dire ct > result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the g ood > Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return t he > the airport to discover my *other* problem of the second mag drive fallin g > apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylind er, > there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast .. > On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to > build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airp ort > to discover the timing gear disintegration. **** > > **** > > So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Popl ar > Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the > no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. > Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank > with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made a n > immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. N o > more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the > heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to > the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to st op > because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to > the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO car bon > anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved t he > problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. **** > > **** > > Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He > got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Bl ake > and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere > yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.**** > > **** > > So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with > confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back i n > to be ready for Brodhead.**** > > **** > > Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in > PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the > DVD player. That has *got* to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nu t > could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound o f > the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, > excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seei ng > it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of > the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it > gives me chills every time.**** > > **** > > Dan Helsper**** > > Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday**** > > **** > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note You are a sap.and don't call me Shirley. Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am now the proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate improvement in climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance. With this prop the plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff. I can hardly wait to fly it to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Well, I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falling apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder, there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast. On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport to discover the timing gear disintegration. So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know. So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be ready for Brodhead. Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DVD player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills every time. Dan Helsper Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:09 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Great news, thanks for the update Dan. This note goes into my "engine hints" file! It's really great to hear you have everything running again and thanks for documenting the process. I had the same problem with carbon/black smoke on my A. When I get it back on the fuse and running I'm going to try the solutions you mention below. Now I'm thinking maybe I need to put my dual plug head on. Great info. Sorry to hear you'll be sitting in McDonalds at Poplar Grove until Tuesday. Well, you'll meet some interesting people and make some new friends. :-) REALLY looking forward to Brodhead this year..... Jim in Pryor.... -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Jun 19, 2011 7:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Well, I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the the airport to discover my other problem of the second mag drive falling apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder, there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast. On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport to discover the timing gear disintegration. So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know. So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in to be ready for Brodhead. Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the DVD player. That has got to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it gives me chills every time. Dan Helsper Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note From: "Brett Phillips" Dan: It's always good to be able to take time to thoroughly analyze a problem and think through all possible repercussions. It sounds like you have done exactly that. I'm glad to hear that things are going your way again. With regard to the rich mixture condition, several folks over on the FordBarn Model A forum have complained about rich mixtures that can't be adjusted by normal means. Some say that this is the result of oversized jets that are being sold in rebuild kits, and others say that it is due to differences in modern fuels from those in use when the A was new. In any event, the usual fix is to solder the jets closed, then re-drill at a smaller size. This will require some experimentation, but you should end up with an engine with improved power, efficiency, and reliability. As a starting point, here's a link to a table of various rebuilders' jet size preferences and a short explanation of how they were originally designated: http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/jetflowrates.htm Assuming you also have a "B" carburetor, this is another good page from the same site in case you haven't seen it before: http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/bcarbassembly.htm It'll be great to see the videos! Brett Phillips NX311GP ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:03 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Jack, Glad to hear someone else had the experience we had with a CC prop. What's the pitch and diameter? I put ours to good effect yesterday, 'rocketing' up through an inversion to get to smooth air. BTW, not you ever have to do these, but go-arounds became a non-event with our CC prop. Jeff On 6/19/11 9:27 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > You are a sap...and don't call me Shirley. > > Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am > now the proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate > improvement in climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance. > With this prop the plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff. > I can hardly wait to fly it to Brodhead. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:47 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... Very generous! Mark was SANDING! How much fun is that??? (Not much...) I didn't even realize how stressed I've been lately until after the two of them left.... Funny how friends come through like that when even I don't EVEN realize how much we need them. Life is good. jm -----Original Message----- >From: Gboothe5 >Sent: Jun 19, 2011 8:14 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... > > >Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you continue to make progress... > >Gary >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... > >Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday and helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have someone work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that stops by gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a project.... > >It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they pitched in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps. > >Thanks guys. > >Jim in Pryor.... > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A engine From: "Brett Phillips" Great progress Jeff! You are clearly dedicating lots of time and effort to your Piet, and the workmanship looks great! The distributor ignition sounds like it will work out well. Do you have an alternator in mind? One of the little Kubota/Yanmar/John Deere units might work well. Lots of folks are using them with good success on other engines. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343442#343442 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:41 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note On my Bonanza, on my old Cessna 150 and in my buddies 65HP Aeronca Champ, we have all used a little bit of Marvel Mystery Oil. Though I have tried SEAFOAM and liked what it does. Might try that in some hightest autofuel and see what you get. Irregardless (which means regarding) MMO is polarizing, people tend to be either MMO believers or heretics. The only thing I am sure that it has done is I have used MMO to clear up a sticking valve (in the oil and gas). I have used SEAFOAM when a vehicle coming out of storage is running a little rough. It seems to fix whatever is a problem. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note > Meh....stick with the good stuff. Smells better too ;-) > > do not archive > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Gboothe5 < wrote: > > > Thanks for the update, Dan. There has to be a simple resolve for running > > no-lead, whether its a different plug or carb adjustment (I dont know > > enough to help). I just want to see you at Brodhead with your beautiful > > plane!**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Gary**** > > > > Do not archive**** > > > > ** ** > > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > > helspersew@aol.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:36 AM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note**** > > > > ** ** > > > > > > Well, **** > > > > I have put 4 hrs on her the last couple of days. This is really the first > > time I have had uninterrupted testing time so I could digest what is really > > happening to this engine. After numerous runnings I have discovered that the > > carb was running really rich, so much so that it was puffing black smoke > > periodically and building up thick layers of carbon on the stacks and also > > on the plugs. (This was happening some last summer also). I lowered the fuel > > level in the float chamber, and this helped some to lean it out a little, > > but the problem still persisted and I could not go on with any confidence. > > BTW I have concluded that my engine problems from last Sept., were a direct > > result of this phenominon, not related to ignition. As it turns out the good > > Lord was actually looking out for me that day, and allowed me to return the > > the airport to discover my *other* problem of the second mag drive falling > > apart. My new theory is this: When I had two functioning plugs per cylinder, > > there was just enough combustion to keep me from building carbon too fast. > > On that last flight in Sept. when the 2nd mag did fail, the carbon began to > > build to the point of the very rough running, forcing me back to the airport > > to discover the timing gear disintegration. **** > > > > **** > > > > So here is the good news. Steve Thomas (owner and benevolent king of Poplar > > Grove Airport) suggested that I might try burning 100LL instead of the > > no-lead car gas he has there. I had nothing to loose so I gave it a try. > > Went to the pumps and filled the remaining 8 gallons of space in my tank > > with 100LL. So at that point I had about 80% 100LL in the tank. It made an > > immediate difference. No more puffs of black smoke. No more sputtering. No > > more missing. Plenty of power even with only the single ignition. I flew the > > heck out of it right over the airport, trying to burn some gas. Went back to > > the pumps again and refilled with 100LL. Flew for another hour. Had to stop > > because I discovered a small fuel tank leak (ARRRRG). Anyway, taxied back to > > the hangar and pulled the plugs to find nice, gray electrodes with NO carbon > > anywhere. I am not smart enough to know why this switch of fuel solved the > > problem. I am sure there are some on this list that can tell me. **** > > > > **** > > > > Also, Steve T. mounted one of those GO PRO cameras on my strut and cowl. He > > got some good video from that and he also took his Cub up with his son Blake > > and took some more great air-to-air video. I don't see it posted anywhere > > yet but I will watch for it and let y'all know.**** > > > > **** > > > > So now I am feeling ALOT better about my airplane and engine, with > > confidence levels rising. I only have to get my tank welded up and back in > > to be ready for Brodhead.**** > > > > **** > > > > Since I have been without cable TV and Internet (we have it turned off in > > PG), I have been watching the first 15 minutes of TGWP every night on the > > DVD player. That has *got* to be the BEST movie ever. No real airplane nut > > could ever tire of watching that little boy Scooter, at the first sound of > > the airplane engine in the distance, put down his fishing rod, > > excitedly race with his dog over to the sound of the Jenny, and upon seeing > > it approach over the trees, fall on his back upside down to see the belly of > > the airplane wizzing a few feet above his face. Maybe I'm a sap, but it > > gives me chills every time.**** > > > > **** > > > > Dan Helsper**** > > > > Sitting in McDonalds. In PG till Tuesday**** > > > > **** > > > > **** > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > ** > > > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > > > ** > > > > * * > > > > * > > > =========== > =========== > =========== > =========== > > * > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:11 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... If I had the opportunity to have Mark over, I'd just give him sandpaper, too. Not much loss if he 'inadvertently' sticks it in his pocket... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jim Markle Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:34 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... Very generous! Mark was SANDING! How much fun is that??? (Not much...) I didn't even realize how stressed I've been lately until after the two of them left.... Funny how friends come through like that when even I don't EVEN realize how much we need them. Life is good. jm -----Original Message----- >From: Gboothe5 >Sent: Jun 19, 2011 8:14 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... > > >Generous of them to give up some time...especially Mark! I hope you >continue to make progress... > >Gary >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:53 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Piet on the farm..... > >Well that was fun! Larry Williams and Mark Chouinard came over yesterday >and helped ME work on my Piet! I've always been a little hesitant to have >someone work on it in the past. That was stupid. From now on, anyone that >stops by gets a tool (NOT to take back to it's original owner!) and a >project.... > >It was really great having friends in my workshop...especially fun how they >pitched in and helped move my project forward a few giant steps. > >Thanks guys. > >Jim in Pryor.... > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in From: "ldmill" Flew the GN-1 on my first nice long cross country flight - from Marshalltown, Iowa to Gardner, Kansas (280 miles) on Thursday/Friday for the WW1 replica fly-in. Made it back last night at 9pm. 11.1 hours total flying time. Flight down had some huge headwinds(20-25mph+), was down to a ground speed of 38-39 mph at times. It took 6.1 hours - much of that was due to my flying partner's plane - he has a scratch built 6/10 scale WW1 Voison French Bomber that he built. It cruises at 50 mph. Much S-turning for me. We stopped at Corydon, Iowa to refuel - neat airport by some ponds with steel dinosaurs in the front yard - my 10 yr old loved it. We also stopped at Chillicothe, Missouri to ride out a storm (they were nice enough to stuff us in a big hanger), then headed west to Amelia Earhart airport in Kansas - cool place to fly into - and yes, it is the home of Amelia Earhart! We over-nighted in Lawrence, Ks due to darkness, then to Gardner the next morning (against 15mph winds). FYI, the Missouri river flooding is impressive! Massive thunderstorms down there last several days - the dog chain tie downs worked great! We had 40+ mph winds gusting upwards to 60 on Friday night. Unfortunately - the Voison spike tie downs came loose in the soft soil and he had to build a new lower rudder and rebuild his aileron due to hitting another airplane and a hanger I think. We found his plane in a drainage ditch several hundred yards away. He was in the air by 5:30 Saturday night on the way home. There were a bunch of really cool planes down there! A gorgeous Fokker DR-1 Triplane, many Nieuports/Sopwiths, a Siemens-Schukert, and others that I just had no clue what they were. Met Robert Baslee again (Aerdrome Airplanes - cool place to visit), Rick Bennet, Dick and Sharon Starks (they took a pic of my with my GN-1 right when I got there Friday morning) FYI- when I was at Baslee's place last year, ran into Mark Anderson who proceeded to give me a tour of his private aircraft museum which included no less than 8 Pietenpols. He knows model A engines extremely well. He actually has Bernie's original Corvair engine there also. He also has an original converted Henderson that he had just taken out of the shipping crate - it's in great condition. My flight back (by myself) was 4 hours exactly (went southerly/eastern route around thee Class B airspace). Rough down in Kansas city area - perfectly smooth from about Lexington on north. I highly recommend visiting Lexington if you ever get a chance. The owner is a total gear head that builds custom motorcycles in his back shop and they are total eye candy! He's also a licensed parachute rigger and jump instructor - used to compete on the US team and jumps at the Air Force academy with the cadets occasionally. If I remember correctly, his name is Tom Dolphin. I really appreciated having the extra fuel in this plane - have a 14 gallon header tank and a 4+ gallon center section tank. Made Gardner to Corydon, Iowa (190 miles) no problem. Could have made it the entire 280 mile trip almost on one tank - but would have been on fumes with absolutely nothing left for "just in case". Burns 4.5 g/hr with the A-75 and had an average cruise of about 74mph on way back with slight tailwind of 2-4 mph. Also - having an aviation GPS - while it isn't really required in a Piet/GN - and looks kind of funny in it - is invaluable - most especially when dealing with the Class B airspace and staying out of it. I've got an old Garmin Pilot III that works perfect. Oh yea - watched a Sonex in Gardner land short of the runway and ripped his titanium gear off in a shallow rain filled swamp. Owner walked away okay. He was coming in low and slow, got too low and hit the throttle - and the engine burped- and that was all she wrote. He'd been having carb adjustment issues just previously that morning. Later! Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343456#343456 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:17 PM PST US From: Bill Princell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Twin Rivers Fly-In Hi Jack: If you had one of those 100hp crank snappers up front she could have flown home with you. Bill - On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > ** > > Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of > Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was flying > it, although he can=92t give rides yet since he=92s still flying off the Phase I > hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my wife, Karen, in the front seat. > Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000 there, and his friend Pete Hays h ad > his Skybolt. Both of them brought their sons - good to see young kids > fooling around with airplanes. In addition there were various other > airplanes there, including a Piper Comanche and a Light Sport called a > Chinook, that looks something like a Titan Tornado.**** > > ** ** > > Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn=92t climb all that well when > heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind bringing Karen back t o > Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly because I wanted her to get > her first ride in a biplane). It had taken us 20 minutes to climb from 9 00=92 > to 3500=92 to get over the **Blue Ridge mountains** on the way there, and > that was in the morning, when it was cool.**** > > ** ** > > Here is a picture of Matt=92s new Pietenpol. Those of you coming to Brod head > next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another 27 hours in th e > next month.**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in:**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > And here is Gene=92s Travel Air in flight:**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building a Piet on the farm..... From: "K5YAC" Yep, had a great time hanging out, and Tyler always likes coming out to see the chickens and other critters you've got running around. As for sanding... that Doug Fir is HARD stuff! I swear you must have sharpened those ribs before I came out just to give me something to do. HA! I've never felt wood so sharp! Note to self... self, don't use Doug Fir. Glad we could help out. Looking forward to the next time. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343471#343471 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:59 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash.- We had the nicest Pietenpol at th e fly-in (the only airplane there).- I am thinking of trying to do one in the fall, possibly september if there is any interest.- The weather in j une is so unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. - We did bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardr op camper he built, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead.- The p eople who drove in admired the camper as much or more than the piet. - Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns, Shad - - ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in From: "skellytown flyer" That friend's name would'nt be Corey would it? if so I know him. Raymond. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343473#343473 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out From: steve emo freeze them for later -- I promise to try. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, shad bell wrote: > Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the > fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the > fall, possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is > so unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did > bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardrop camper he > built, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The people who drove > in admired the camper as much or more than the piet. > > Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns, > Shad > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in From: "ldmill" Yup - that would be Corey. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343478#343478 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trip review-Flight to Gardner, Kansas for WW1 replica fly-in From: "skellytown flyer" what a tough deal.it took some guts to try a flight like that in the Voisin anyway. hope he didn't have too much torn up.visited with him once when I was on a job up north of Des Moines. I got my ailerons re-covered and back on my GN-1 and flew it home yesterday morning before the winds kicked up again.I think it did help the handling. for sure it helped my peace of mind. now if I can get the tach problems resolved on my Corvair and a distributor checked over by WW I'll get back to crank snappin if winds and temps get decent. it was around 106 just now here. guess I'm a wimp.Raymond. do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343480#343480 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note From: "bender" Hey Dan.. are you running a B carb ?? what did you do with the mixture adjustment ? on my '30 AA truck i only open the mixture when i get water in the fuel so it will have enough fuel to run.. otherwise the mixture is all the way closed to 1/4 turn open.. anything more and its rich i have a couple of aftermarket A carbs... a tillotson and a marvel ... lots of guys swear by the tillotson X and they are both aluminum ... way lighter than the Zenith cast iron carbs i plan to try both of them and see how they run.. i may put em on my truck first and see if one is better nice to hear you're flying.... i can't wait to hear mine run Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343481#343481 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:30 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover Here=99s picture of my throttle =9Cquadrant=9D cover before.... Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for modification...(I=99ve added a primer set-up)... Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder, Jerry Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think it=99s cool to have contributions from other builders! THANKS, JERRY!!! Gary ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:24 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover Very nice, guys! Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Here=99s picture of my throttle =9Cquadrant=9D cover bef ore.... > > > > Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for modification...(I =99ve added a primer set-up)... > > > > Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder, Jerry Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think it=99 s cool to have contributions from other builders! > > THANKS, JERRY!!! > Gary > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:43 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Jeff, My new prop is a 76" diameter and 38" pitch. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note Jack, Glad to hear someone else had the experience we had with a CC prop. What's the pitch and diameter? I put ours to good effect yesterday, 'rocketing' up through an inversion to get to smooth air. BTW, not you ever have to do these, but go-arounds became a non-event with our CC prop. Jeff On 6/19/11 9:27 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: You are a sap.and don't call me Shirley. Good to hear you're solving your engine problems, Dan. I myself am now the proud owner of a CloudCars scimitar prop and saw an immediate improvement in climb and a slight improvement in cruise performance. With this prop the plane feels like a rocket climbing out on takeoff. I can hardly wait to fly it to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:42 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Twin Rivers Fly-In Not the kind of terrain I would fly over with anything but a reliable engine. I fixed th climb problem later in the day by installing a new Cloudcars prop. 33% improvement in climb rate and 3 mph faster cruise. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Princell Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Twin Rivers Fly-In Hi Jack: If you had one of those 100hp crank snappers up front she could have flown home with you. Bill - On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: Just got back from the Twin Rivers Fly-in, in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. Matt Paxton keeps his brand new Pietenpol there and was flying it, although he can't give rides yet since he's still flying off the Phase I hours. I flew my Pietenpol in, with my wife, Karen, in the front seat. Gene Rambo had his 1928 Travel Air 2000 there, and his friend Pete Hays had his Skybolt. Both of them brought their sons - good to see young kids fooling around with airplanes. In addition there were various other airplanes there, including a Piper Comanche and a Light Sport called a Chinook, that looks something like a Titan Tornado. Since it was getting hot, and my Pietenpol doesn't climb all that well when heavily loaded, I asked Gene Rambo if he would mind bringing Karen back to Smith Mountain Lake in his Travel Air (partly because I wanted her to get her first ride in a biplane). It had taken us 20 minutes to climb from 900' to 3500' to get over the Blue Ridge mountains on the way there, and that was in the morning, when it was cool. Here is a picture of Matt's new Pietenpol. Those of you coming to Brodhead next month will get to see it there, if he can fly another 27 hours in the next month. Here are some other aircraft at the fly-in: And here is Gene's Travel Air in flight: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:02 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out U2hhZC4uLi4uZG8geW91IGhhdmUgYW55IHBpY3Mgb2YgdGhlIHRlYXIgZHJvcCBjYW1wZXI/IFRo ZSB3aWZlIGFuZCBJIGFyZSBpbiB0aGUgYmVnaW5uaW5nIHN0YWdlcyBvZiBidWlsZGluZyBvdXJz LiBCcmlhbiBpbiBTTEMsIFVUDQogDQoNCkZyb206IHN0ZXZlIGVtbyBbbWFpbHRvOnN0ZXZlLmVt bzU4QGdtYWlsLmNvbV0gDQpTZW50OiBTdW5kYXksIEp1bmUgMTksIDIwMTEgMDM6MzIgUE0NClRv OiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3Mu Y29tPiANClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogT2hpbyBwaWV0IGZseS1pbiB3YXNo ZWQgb3V0IA0KIA0KDQpmcmVlemUgdGhlbSBmb3IgbGF0ZXIgLS0gSSBwcm9taXNlIHRvIHRyeS4N Cg0KDQpPbiBTdW4sIEp1biAxOSwgMjAxMSBhdCA0OjQ0IFBNLCBzaGFkIGJlbGwgPGF2aWF0b3Ji ZWxsQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCg0KV2VsbCBHdXlzIG15IGxpdHRsZSBmbHktaW4gd2Fz IGEgd2FzaC4gIFdlIGhhZCB0aGUgbmljZXN0IFBpZXRlbnBvbCBhdCB0aGUgZmx5LWluICh0aGUg b25seSBhaXJwbGFuZSB0aGVyZSkuICBJIGFtIHRoaW5raW5nIG9mIHRyeWluZyB0byBkbyBvbmUg aW4gdGhlIGZhbGwsIHBvc3NpYmx5IHNlcHRlbWJlciBpZiB0aGVyZSBpcyBhbnkgaW50ZXJlc3Qu ICBUaGUgd2VhdGhlciBpbiBqdW5lIGlzIHNvIHVuc3RhYmxlLCBmYWxsIG1pZ2h0IGJlIGEgYmV0 dGVyIHRpbWUgdG8gaGF2ZSBpdCBpbiB0aGUgZnV0dXJlLiAgV2UgZGlkIGJyaW5nIGRhZCdzIDE5 MzIgMS41IHRvbiBtb2RlbCBBIEZvcmQgdHJ1Y2sgb3ZlciwgYW5kIGhpcyB0ZWFyZHJvcCBjYW1w ZXIgaGUgYnVpbHQsIGl0IHdpbGwgYmUgdGhlIHNsZWVwaW5nIHF1YXJ0ZXJzIGZvciBCcm9kaGVh ZC4gIFRoZSBwZW9wbGUgd2hvIGRyb3ZlIGluIGFkbWlyZWQgdGhlIGNhbXBlciBhcyBtdWNoIG9y IG1vcmUgdGhhbiB0aGUgcGlldC4NCiANClNpdHRpbmcgb24gNCBkb3p6ZW4gaG90IGRvZ3MsIDUg Y2FzZXMgb2Ygc29kYSwgYW5kIG1hbnkgYmFncyBvZiBkb2cgYnVucywNClNoYWQNCiANCiANCgkN CgkNCgkiIHRhcmdldD0iX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9y P1BpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0DQoJdHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KCV9ibGFuayI+aHR0 cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KCQ0KCQ0KDQoNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0K Xy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2Ug dGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUg bWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFy Y2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBo b3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cu bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QNCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTUFUUk9OSUNTIFdFQiBGT1JVTVMgLQ0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29u dGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBo dHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAt IExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdl bmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBE cmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2Nv bnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:57 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover Very nice, Gary! I can hardly wait to see your Pietenpol floating in over the corn at Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover Here's picture of my throttle "quadrant" cover before.... Throttle Link, 1 Here it is, after sending 3,000 miles to engraver for modification...(I've added a primer set-up)... Throttle - modified Why send it 3,000 miles for engraving, you ask? Fellow Piet builder, Jerry Dotson, does engraving as sort of a hobby, and offered! I think it's cool to have contributions from other builders! THANKS, JERRY!!! Gary ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: Dan Yocum Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:37 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, new guy? John In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum137@gmail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:44 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dillsburg Closing the rest of the story The young Mr. Roger Penske shows up at the former Edgcomb metals in York PA looking for 4130 to build race car frames. Edgcomb metals spold that material but the salesman sent him to Mr. Vogelsong who could more easily supply those materials at such meager quantities. Hence Mr. Vogelsong was thrust into the race world as a renowned supplier of 4130 tubing and sheet stock. The salesmen's name was Frank King who is the Vice President and General Manager of Macsteel Service centers USA York PA branch. I learned of that story one day when I was visiting our York Branch looking for 4130 material and was told the story by Frank. Just a little tidbit of historical information and no York does not handle 4130 anymore much to my dissatisfaction. I really could use some of that stuff! John Do not archive In a message dated 6/18/2011 8:48:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pwhoyt@yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "PatrickW" Didn't know he did all the Indy & NASCAR stuff, too. > In addition to providing aircraft grade tubing, Dillsburg supplies all of Indy Car and NASCAR worldwide. This business will be picked up by somebody... - Pat -------- Patrick Hoyt 601XLb/Corvair N63PZ - 99.999% done.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343384#343384 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport Nice! Love to see Helsper back up... do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:06 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Flying Video My lovely wife, Karen, flew with me to Matt Paxton's Twin Rivers Airport fly-in this weekend, This involved crossing over the Blue Ridge Mountains to get into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia (the pass we flew through required us to get to about 3500' to get over it). It's nice having someone along to flim the trip - I'm usually too busy flying to take snapshots, much less video. This was the last flight made with my old propeller, which gave us a rate of climb with two people on board of between 100 and 200 fpm. My new Cloudcars prop gives a solid 500 fpm climb so such a trip would not be so arduous. Here's her video, showing the altitudes and airspeeds involved, The scenery was beautiful. Too bad the weather wasn't as nice, but it wasn't bad. For those building Pietenpols, maybe this will show you what you can expect once you have your bird flying and can take it to local fly-ins. There's nothing like it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAN3oZQvpVo Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:15 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas. -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, ne w guy? > > John > > In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum137@ gmail.com writes: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_playe r > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic From: "Bill Church" Yesterday was the First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic. Filling in where the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic left off, after twenty consecutive years. The weather was excellent. Two Air Campers in attendance, and lots of Pietenpol fans and friends. Many in attendance got to experience first hand, the thrill of an open cockpit Pietenpol ride. Attached is a picture I took that I classify as one of those lucky shots - more dumb luck than planning or skill, especially with those stupid viewing screens on the back of the camera, as opposed to a proper viewfinder. Anyway, I like the shot. And yes, it's a big file. Sorry... well, not really. It was even bigger, but I reduced it to half size. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343504#343504 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/waterdown_410.jpg ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic From: "Kringle" Nice pic! It's my new screen saver. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343506#343506 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic From: "lowell23@msn.com" That is a beautiful shot! Congratulations on your luck in getting it. Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343507#343507 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle cover From: "kevinpurtee" Heck, yeah! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343508#343508 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:17 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover Hi Gary, Very nice; looks like a chrome hot rod special. Really highlights against the varnish color. Cheers, Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: Ryan Mueller Seeing him in the airplane you'd never know he's 6'4" and 250.... Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas. > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, > new guy? > > John > > In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > yocum137@gmail.com writes: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > * > > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle cover From: "aerocarjake" Nice...... Aircraft Spruce is gonna want to carry them...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343513#343513 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic From: Ryan Mueller You should send that to AvWeb for their POTW contest. Maybe someone besides Gary Dikkers could win it... Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Yesterday was the First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic. Filling in where > the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic left off, after twenty consecutive years. The > weather was excellent. Two Air Campers in attendance, and lots of Pietenpol > fans and friends. Many in attendance got to experience first hand, the > thrill of an open cockpit Pietenpol ride. > Attached is a picture I took that I classify as one of those lucky shots - > more dumb luck than planning or skill, especially with those stupid viewing > screens on the back of the camera, as opposed to a proper viewfinder. > Anyway, I like the shot. And yes, it's a big file. Sorry... well, not > really. It was even bigger, but I reduced it to half size. > > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343504#343504 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/waterdown_410.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:18 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Flying Video Hi Jack, Thanks for the video.=C2- It makes want to=C2- work harder and get my P iet done. Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:58 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Sorry shad, been really busy with work.. Can i make a donation to help with port-o-potty and what not? Let me know how! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:44 PM, shad bell wrote: > Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the fall, possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is s o unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did br ing dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardrop camper he b uilt, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The people who drove i n admired the camper as much or more than the piet. > > Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns, > Shad > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.