---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/20/11: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (Jack) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:45 AM - Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In (Jerry Dotson) 4. 04:46 AM - Re: Throttle cover (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 04:50 AM - Re: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic (Jim Markle) 6. 06:34 AM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (kevinpurtee) 7. 06:35 AM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (kevinpurtee) 8. 06:41 AM - Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight (Woodflier@aol.com) 9. 06:53 AM - Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (bender) 10. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 07:30 AM - Re: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight (Gene Rambo) 12. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (shad bell) 13. 07:49 AM - Steve Thomas, Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (shad bell) 14. 07:59 AM - Re: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight (Dan Yocum) 15. 09:17 AM - Re: Steve Thomas, Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 10:09 AM - Subject: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Donald Lane) 17. 11:37 AM - Re: Subject: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 18. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 19. 03:10 PM - Re: Flight report- back in the air (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 20. 03:51 PM - Cloudcars Prop Performance (Jack Phillips) 21. 04:19 PM - Re: Cloudcars Prop Performance (Ken Bickers) 22. 05:35 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out (V Groah) 23. 05:37 PM - Re: Cloudcars Prop Performance (Jack) 24. 07:16 PM - Re: Cloudcars Prop Performance (Dan Yocum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:30 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Brian, if you have not seen this project, check it out. Very useful info. http://www.buchfink.com/index.html Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Shad.....do you have any pics of the tear drop camper? The wife and I are in the beginning stages of building ours. Brian in SLC, UT From: steve emo [mailto:steve.emo58@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 03:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out freeze them for later -- I promise to try. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM, shad bell wrote: Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the fall, possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is so unstable, fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over, and his teardrop camper he built, it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The people who drove in admired the camper as much or more than the piet. Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs, 5 cases of soda, and many bags of dog buns, Shad " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ~=03 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, I am running the Zenith "B" carb. The mixture is 1 turn open. This was a re commendation by Ken Perkins. I tried adjusting that on the ground for bette r performance, and if I closed it I had a little roughness, but maybe now w ith the 100LL I can try to readjust to the closed or 1/4 turn open, and see . Thanks for the recommendation. I really appreciate the info. All the help from the guys on this list is priceless. BTW if you might recall the probl em I had last summer of the engine wanting to quit on final. The 100LL swit ch has helped that too. I still need to do some more testing of trying to c lose the throttle "over the numbers" and see if she quits now. When do you think you will have yours running? Dan Helsper In PG till tomorrow. Getting my aluminum tank welded this morning. Big T-st orms here today so probably can't fly. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Sun, Jun 19, 2011 4:53 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note > Hey Dan.. are you running a B carb ?? hat did you do with the mixture adjustment ? on my '30 AA truck i only open the mixture when i get water in the fuel so it ill have enough fuel to run.. therwise the mixture is all the way closed to 1/4 turn open.. anything more and ts rich i have a couple of aftermarket A carbs... a tillotson and a marvel ... lots of uys swear by the tillotson X and they are both aluminum ... way lighter tha n he Zenith cast iron carbs i plan to try both of them and see how they run.. i may put em on my truck first nd see if one is better nice to hear you're flying.... i can't wait to hear mine run ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343481#343481 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Twin Rivers Fly-In From: "Jerry Dotson" Jack your report and Jeff Boatright's opinion of his Cloudcars prop does my heart good. I have one still in the box and looking forward to the day I can say how great the prop is! Note the 3/4" pipe engine mount. I still have not built the mount. The prop is 76X44. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343531#343531 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a28_198.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cover From: helspersew@aol.com Gary, Beautiful work and attention to detail!! These are the little things that you will be very glad you took the time for. Very unique and elegant. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:41 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic Wow, what a great picture! Thanks Bill. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Jun 19, 2011 9:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic > > >Yesterday was the First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic. Filling in where the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic left off, after twenty consecutive years. The weather was excellent. Two Air Campers in attendance, and lots of Pietenpol fans and friends. Many in attendance got to experience first hand, the thrill of an open cockpit Pietenpol ride. >Attached is a picture I took that I classify as one of those lucky shots - more dumb luck than planning or skill, especially with those stupid viewing screens on the back of the camera, as opposed to a proper viewfinder. Anyway, I like the shot. And yes, it's a big file. Sorry... well, not really. It was even bigger, but I reduced it to half size. > > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343504#343504 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/waterdown_410.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out From: "kevinpurtee" You know, Shad, had you simply done what I suggested (moving the Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In south to Austin for my convenience), you could have enjoyed our record-setting drought. No wash-outs here. [Wink] See you next month. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343539#343539 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: "kevinpurtee" He's a mountain of a man.... do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343540#343540 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:20 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight We have a "Holy Cow! It Flies" party on Saturday, with about 40 folks attending. Jack Phillips flew in with his Piet and Gene Rambo flew his 1929 Travel Air down from Culpeper. Al Tucker, a good friend and talented audio and video engineer, took a lot of photos which compiled into a great video, complete with appropriate music. Here's a link. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLE_ZpzzC9M_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLE_ZpzzC9M) Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: "bender" awesome !! is that the new prop Dan ?? is there a big difference in performance ?? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343542#343542 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, Jack Phillips just got the new Cloudcar prop. I am running the same one I c arved. I need to study Jack's prop at Brodhead. Maybe I'll learn something. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 8:54 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Gr ove Airport > awesome !! is that the new prop Dan ?? is there a big difference in performance ?? jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343542#343542 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:23 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight 1928=2C please. Don't know why=2C but EVERYONE always defaults to '29 for no apparent reason. Had a blast! Gene From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight We have a "Holy Cow! It Flies" party on Saturday=2C with about 40 folks att ending. Jack Phillips flew in with his Piet and Gene Rambo flew his 1929 Tr avel Air down from Culpeper. Al Tucker=2C a good friend and talented audio and video engineer=2C took a lot of photos which compiled into a great vide o=2C complete with appropriate music. Here's a link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLE_ZpzzC9M Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:44 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Dad did fly it around the patch for about 10 min or so, now I have to clean the mud off of the thing, so a piet did fly out, then back in. - See Y'all at Brodhead wx permitting, Shad --- On Mon, 6/20/11, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in washed out il> You know, Shad, had you simply done what I suggested (moving the Ohio Piete npol Fly-In south to Austin for my convenience), you could have enjoyed our record-setting drought.- No wash-outs here. [Wink] See you next month. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343539#343539 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:10 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Thomas, Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport Dan, Do you know if Steve Thomas is heading here to ohio for the waco fly-in thi s week?- I always like to stop over and say hi to him and Tom Brown (Brow n Aero Aircamper), when they stop by.- Steve is a great guy, he helped us out when we had to trailer 92GB home in 2006, when we tried to make Brodhe ad.- Are you going to be at Poplar Grove this summer, or Tenn.- I will be stopping by for fuel thurs afternoon if everything goes well. --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Dan Yocum wrote: From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Gr ove Airport I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas.- --- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, new guy? - John - In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum137@g mail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiLcMV7N8r0&feature=youtube_gdata_player 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight Travel Air, Pietenpol, 1928, 1929, same difference! ;-) do not archive On 06/20/2011 09:28 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > 1928, please. Don't know why, but EVERYONE always defaults to '29 for no > apparent reason. Had a blast! > > Gene > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Woodflier@aol.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:38:58 -0400 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great YouTube video of Pietenpol flight > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > We have a "Holy Cow! It Flies" party on Saturday, with about 40 folks > attending. Jack Phillips flew in with his Piet and Gene Rambo flew his > 1929 Travel Air down from Culpeper. Al Tucker, a good friend and > talented audio and video engineer, took a lot of photos which compiled > into a great video, complete with appropriate music. Here's a link. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLE_ZpzzC9M > Matt Paxton > > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Thomas, Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport From: helspersew@aol.com Shad, Here is Steves email steve@poplargroveairmotive.com. You could ask him abou t the Waco fly-in. I will be in PG on that Thirsday, but hopefully I mihght be at Brodhead already by then, if all goes well. Can't wait to see you an d your Piet again. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 9:49 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Thomas, Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Grove Airport Dan, Do you know if Steve Thomas is heading here to ohio for the waco fly-in thi s week? I always like to stop over and say hi to him and Tom Brown (Brown Aero Aircamper), when they stop by. Steve is a great guy, he helped us out when we had to trailer 92GB home in 2006, when we tried to make Brodhead. Are you going to be at Poplar Grove this summer, or Tenn. I will be stopp ing by for fuel thurs afternoon if everything goes well. --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Dan Yocum wrote: From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper and his Pietenpol at the Poplar Gr ove Airport I think Dan said it was Steve Thomas. -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:51 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: nice job Dan, really enjoyed it. Who was flying the camera ship? Brown, new guy? John In a message dated 6/19/2011 8:42:58 P.M. 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I got the Airworthiness Certificate June 9, and waited till Fri the 17th for Barry Triplett to make the first flight. The engine hadn't been run for about a month and when I tried to start it just to get more time on it before starting taxi tests, I couldn't get it running. I decided that when Barry got here, we would get it running. We did, but it took 3 days and he had to leave after just making a couple of runs up and down the runway. On Fri we determined the Slick mag had died even though the engine had been running great the last time that I had it going. The first few times I ran the engine almost 2 years ago I fueled it with 91 octane auto gas without ethanol, and it was running fine. At the present time it is difficult to find auto gas without ethanol near my home, so I decided to switch to 100LL. I ran it a total of 2 hours on the 100LL before taking it to the airport. As soon as we decided the mag was not working, I ordered a new one overnight delivery and when we got it in the airplane, had to spend some time getting the impulse working reliably by shimming it back in the mounting. Once we had a good spark, it started and ran on 2 cylinders, 1&3. Cylinders 2&4 exhaust valves were stuck open. We pulled off the side cover and managed to loosen them up after a great deal of working them up and down with screwdrivers. After getting compression on all 4, it started after a great deal of priming and propping. I am sure that the sticking valves were caused by the lead in the fuel. If anyone has had experience with the 100LL in the A, I would like to hear about it. Don Lane ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:57 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note My 100LL VS AUTOFUEL experience is limited to Continental O200 (cessna 150) and Continental E-185-11 (205 HP 1948 Bonanza) Both engines were designed to be run on 80 octane avgas. Both have an STC for UL autofuel. Both would run fine on either 100LL or UL AUTOFUEL. However, Anytime I run 100LL I have to work to keep the plugs from leading up. I lean the plane aggressively on the ground to keep the plugs hot and I lean in the air as well. Seems that the lead likes the plugs. On Autofuel, I always run over 89 (or higher) octane autofuel with no ethanal. I always check every load of Autofuel for alcohol. If they screw up and put it in a car that is one thing. But that alcohol will eat up the gaskets in both carbs and the "Rubber" fuel tanks on the Bonanza. Having said all that it is at least a dollar or two cheaper per gallon and The planes run better on it. There is ZERO spark plug fowling and the planes made the same RPM/manifold pressures. I do fill up with 100LL before parking the plane for any length of time. It is better on the old Gas tanks and carbs. 100LL is much more stable over long term for storage (It does not seem to evaporate as much or leave varnish) Probably not much help but That is my knowledge of AVGAS vs AUTOFUEL. ON the sticking valves, I would run some Marvel Mystery Oil thru the oil and gas. I have had success with it. Blue Skies, Steve OT The Beech list guys are discussing the EPA proposal of dropping 100LL as a fuel and what the replacement might be. Lots of concern for planes that cannot drop to a lower octane without being grounded or a significant loss of HP(RPM). ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Lane Subject: Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH update....Model A guys take note > I was just going to ask the list about others who have been using > 100LL in the model A. > I got the Airworthiness Certificate June 9, and waited till Fri the > 17th for Barry Triplett to make the first flight. The engine > hadn't been run for about a month and when I tried to start it just > to get more time on it before starting taxi tests, I couldn't get > it running. I decided that when Barry got here, we would get it > running. We did, but it took 3 days and he had to leave after just > making a couple of runs up and down the runway. On Fri we > determined the Slick mag had died even though the engine had been > running great the last time that I had it going. The first few > times I ran the engine almost 2 years ago I fueled it with 91 > octane auto gas without ethanol, and it was running fine. At the > present time it is difficult to find auto gas without ethanol near > my home, so I decided to switch to 100LL. I ran it a total of 2 > hours on the 100LL before taking it to the airport. As soon as we > decided the mag was not working, I ordered a new one overnight > delivery and when we got it in the airplane, had to spend some > time getting the impulse working reliably by shimming it back in > the mounting. Once we had a good spark, it started and ran on 2 > cylinders, 1&3. Cylinders 2&4 exhaust valves were stuck open. We > pulled off the side cover and managed to loosen them up after a > great deal of working them up and down with screwdrivers. After > getting compression on all 4, it started after a great deal of > priming and propping. I am sure that the sticking valves were > caused by the lead in the fuel. If anyone has had experience with > the 100LL in the A, I would like to hear about it. > > Don Lane ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:36 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins Tom, When I finished my rib, I then used my table top router with trimming bit and cleaned up all the edges. My table sander took care of the front edge of the rib to keep it square and nicly finished. PS.. let me know your plans for Brodhead, WI as I used to live 7 miles away in Albany, WI for 5 years! I can assist with the area if needed. Hope to see you their. KMHeide Hawley, Mn --- On Fri, 6/17/11, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: > From: tdudley@umn.edu > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 1:18 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "tdudley@umn.edu" > > > Terry, > > I mitred my rib spacers and cut square/rectangular > gussets. Do what Mark did and cut multiple spacers and > gussets. It's really nice to be able to make a rib a > day without having to stop and cut individual pieces. > > Building the ribs was great--starting on the project and > seeing progress each day. Every part of it was > exciting. > > Tom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343320#343320 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_945.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_gusset_166.jpg > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:07 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- back in the air Great news Dan Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2011 11:42:12 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- back in the air Hello Good People, NX929DH finally graced the skies again yesterday for 1 1/2 hrs yesterday at Poplar Grove. All went well and she is ready to go to Brodhead. Longer report later next week when I can get back to TN and to my Internet connection (sitting here in McDonalds in Belvidere, IL.[famous hometown of Ryan Meuller]) Looking forward to seeing everybody. Pray for good weather. Dan Helsper (from) Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:09 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Performance OK, fellow Pieters, This weekend I received my new Cloudcars scimitar propeller for my Pietenpol, and yesterday I was able to get some accurate climb data to compare to the climb data I did with the old prop last week. My Pietenpol is heavy at 740 lbs empty and I've always been disappointed in its climb performance. I thought it was just due to the weight until I flew Ryan Mueller's Pietenpol to Brodhead last year with its new Cloudcars prop. What a difference! His Piet was about 60 lbs lighter than mine, but that couldn't account for the difference in performance. It had to be the prop. Knowing that my new prop was about to arrive, I flew some early morning tests this past Wednesday to measure exactly what kind of performance I was getting with the old prop. Then, yesterday morning I did the same test with the new prop. It was warmer yesterday and the density altitude was higher, but even so the results with the Cloudcars prop were impressive. Here are the data points. The first four runs were with the old prop, the last four (in red) with the Cloudcars: Run Speed Initial Altitude Final Altitude Time Rate of Climb Corrected Rate of Climb* 1 50 mph 1500' 2000' 1:24 357 fpm 357 fpm 2 55 mph 1500' 2000' 1:43 291 fpm 291 fpm 3 45 mph 1700' 2200' 1:54 263 fpm 263 fpm 4 52 mph 1500' 2000' 1:20 375 fpm 375 fpm 5 50 mph 1600' 2100' 1:08 441 fpm 539 fpm 6 55 mph 1500' 2000' 1:09 435 fpm 532 fpm 7 45 mph 1550' 2050' 1:23 361 fpm 441 fpm 8 52 mph 1500' 2000' 1:00 500 fpm 611 fpm Corrected rate of climb corrects for the difference in Density Altitude between the two days. The first 4 runs were made at a density altitude (on the ground) of 1800', and the second set of 4 runs were made at a density altitude of 2200'. So even uncorrected, the Cloudcars prop (76" x 38") performs 33% better than the old (72" x 40" ) prop. The numbers tell one story, but flying the new prop is incredible! The acceleration on takeoff is much brisker than the old prop, and the airplane leaps off the ground and climbs like a homesick angel. With the old prop, I always had to have a discussion with the airplane to make it leave the comfort of ground effect, and it did so only reluctantly. This is the first time I've ever seen 500 fpm sustained on my Vertical Speed Indicator. Here's a picture of the new prop on my airplane: I am SO looking forward to Brodhead now. Before, I was hesitant to take passengers because the climb rate was so abysmal. Now I'll be ready to take a lot more, particularly pretty female passengers. I still have little interest in taking fat old men. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Performance From: Ken Bickers Jack, I'm a big fan of data-driven analyses such as this. Your observations are of special value to those of us still a few steps back in the building process -- even those planning to fly behind crank snappers. :) Thanks, Ken On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > ****** > > OK, fellow Pieters,**** > > ** ** > > This weekend I received my new Cloudcars scimitar propeller for my > Pietenpol, and yesterday I was able to get some accurate climb data to > compare to the climb data I did with the old prop last week.**** > > ** ** > > My Pietenpol is heavy at 740 lbs empty and I=92ve always been disappointe d in > its climb performance. I thought it was just due to the weight until I f lew > Ryan Mueller=92s Pietenpol to Brodhead last year with its new Cloudcars p rop. > What a difference! His Piet was about 60 lbs lighter than mine, but that > couldn=92t account for the difference in performance. It had to be the p rop. > **** > > ** ** > > Knowing that my new prop was about to arrive, I flew some early morning > tests this past Wednesday to measure exactly what kind of performance I w as > getting with the old prop. Then, yesterday morning I did the same test w ith > the new prop. It was warmer yesterday and the density altitude was highe r, > but even so the results with the Cloudcars prop were impressive.**** > > ** ** > > Here are the data points. The first four runs were with the old prop, th e > last four (in red) with the Cloudcars:**** > > ** ** > > *Run* *Speed * *Initial Altitude* *Final Altitude* *Time* > *Rate of Climb* *Corrected Rate of Climb** > > ** ** > > 1 50 mph 1500=92 2000=92 1:24 > 357 fpm 357 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 2 55 mph 1500=92 2000=92 1:43 > 291 fpm 291 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 3 45 mph 1700=92 2200=92 1:54 > 263 fpm 263 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 4 52 mph 1500=92 2000=92 1:20 > 375 fpm 375 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 5 50 mph 1600=92 2100=92 1:08 > 441 fpm 539 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 6 55 mph 1500=92 2000=92 1:09 > 435 fpm 532 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 7 45 mph 1550=92 2050=92 1:23 > 361 fpm 441 fpm**** > > ** ** > > 8 52 mph 1500=92 2000=92 1:00 > 500 fpm 611 fpm**** > > ** ** > > Corrected rate of climb corrects for the difference in Density Altitude > between the two days. The first 4 runs were made at a density altitude ( on > the ground) of 1800=92, and the second set of 4 runs were made at a densi ty > altitude of 2200=92.**** > > ** ** > > So even uncorrected, the Cloudcars prop (76=94 x 38=94) performs 33% bett er > than the old (72=94 x 40=94 ) prop.**** > > ** ** > > The numbers tell one story, but flying the new prop is incredible! The > acceleration on takeoff is much brisker than the old prop, and the airpla ne > leaps off the ground and climbs like a homesick angel. With the old prop , I > always had to have a discussion with the airplane to make it leave the > comfort of ground effect, and it did so only reluctantly. This is the fi rst > time I=92ve ever seen 500 fpm sustained on my Vertical Speed Indicator.** ** > > ** ** > > Here=92s a picture of the new prop on my airplane:**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > I am SO looking forward to Brodhead now. Before, I was hesitant to take > passengers because the climb rate was so abysmal. Now I=92ll be ready to take > a lot more, particularly pretty female passengers. I still have little > interest in taking fat old men.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94**** > > ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** > > ** ** > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:10 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out So sad to hear of the rain out in the east. As you may know we had weather problems out west too. Keep up the good work=2C maybe the fall may be bet ter in your part of the world. We are going to shoot for early June again next year out west. We usually have stable weather by that time. This yea r was atypical all over the country. It is hard to go to all the work and have it fall apart. Our feelings go out to you. Vic N414MV From: jack@textors.com Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Brian=2C if you have not seen this project=2C check it out. Very useful in fo=85 http://www.buchfink.com/index.html Jack DSM Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Sunday=2C June 19=2C 2011 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out Shad.....do you have any pics of the tear drop camper? The wife and I are i n the beginning stages of building ours. Brian in SLC=2C UT From: steve emo [mailto:steve.emo58@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday=2C June 19=2C 2011 03:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in washed out freeze them for later -- I promise to try. On Sun=2C Jun 19=2C 2011 at 4:44 PM=2C shad bell wr ote: Well Guys my little fly-in was a wash. We had the nicest Pietenpol at the fly-in (the only airplane there). I am thinking of trying to do one in the fall=2C possibly september if there is any interest. The weather in june is so unstable=2C fall might be a better time to have it in the future. We did bring dad's 1932 1.5 ton model A Ford truck over=2C and his teardrop c amper he built=2C it will be the sleeping quarters for Brodhead. The peopl e who drove in admired the camper as much or more than the piet. Sitting on 4 dozzen hot dogs=2C 5 cases of soda=2C and many bags of dog bun s=2C Shad " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp: //forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ~=03 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:46 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Performance Great data Jack, thanks! Can't wait to see you and the gang in Brodhead! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Performance OK, fellow Pieters, This weekend I received my new Cloudcars scimitar propeller for my Pietenpol, and yesterday I was able to get some accurate climb data to compare to the climb data I did with the old prop last week. My Pietenpol is heavy at 740 lbs empty and I've always been disappointed in its climb performance. I thought it was just due to the weight until I flew Ryan Mueller's Pietenpol to Brodhead last year with its new Cloudcars prop. What a difference! His Piet was about 60 lbs lighter than mine, but that couldn't account for the difference in performance. It had to be the prop. Knowing that my new prop was about to arrive, I flew some early morning tests this past Wednesday to measure exactly what kind of performance I was getting with the old prop. Then, yesterday morning I did the same test with the new prop. It was warmer yesterday and the density altitude was higher, but even so the results with the Cloudcars prop were impressive. Here are the data points. The first four runs were with the old prop, the last four (in red) with the Cloudcars: Run Speed Initial Altitude Final Altitude Time Rate of Climb Corrected Rate of Climb* 1 50 mph 1500' 2000' 1:24 357 fpm 357 fpm 2 55 mph 1500' 2000' 1:43 291 fpm 291 fpm 3 45 mph 1700' 2200' 1:54 263 fpm 263 fpm 4 52 mph 1500' 2000' 1:20 375 fpm 375 fpm 5 50 mph 1600' 2100' 1:08 441 fpm 539 fpm 6 55 mph 1500' 2000' 1:09 435 fpm 532 fpm 7 45 mph 1550' 2050' 1:23 361 fpm 441 fpm 8 52 mph 1500' 2000' 1:00 500 fpm 611 fpm Corrected rate of climb corrects for the difference in Density Altitude between the two days. The first 4 runs were made at a density altitude (on the ground) of 1800', and the second set of 4 runs were made at a density altitude of 2200'. So even uncorrected, the Cloudcars prop (76" x 38") performs 33% better than the old (72" x 40" ) prop. The numbers tell one story, but flying the new prop is incredible! The acceleration on takeoff is much brisker than the old prop, and the airplane leaps off the ground and climbs like a homesick angel. With the old prop, I always had to have a discussion with the airplane to make it leave the comfort of ground effect, and it did so only reluctantly. This is the first time I've ever seen 500 fpm sustained on my Vertical Speed Indicator. Here's a picture of the new prop on my airplane: I am SO looking forward to Brodhead now. Before, I was hesitant to take passengers because the climb rate was so abysmal. Now I'll be ready to take a lot more, particularly pretty female passengers. I still have little interest in taking fat old men. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:55 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Performance On 06/20/2011 05:48 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I am SO looking forward to Brodhead now. Before, I was hesitant to take > passengers because the climb rate was so abysmal. Now Ill be ready to > take a lot more, particularly pretty female passengers. I still have > little interest in taking fat old men. Note to self - remember to take one of wife's dresses to Brodhead and shave. /me bats eyes seductively at Jack. Actually, I'd like you to take N8031 for a spin and see what your impression of my McCauley 74-42 prop is now that you've got some more time behind the Cloud Cars in 2 different Pietenpols. Dan do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.