Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 06/26/11


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:49 AM - Re: Corvair ignitions (Gary Boothe)
     2. 06:54 AM - Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins (Piet2112)
     3. 07:00 AM - Re: Corvair ignitions (skellytown flyer)
     4. 08:08 AM - Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins (jarheadpilot82)
     5. 08:45 AM - Re: Corvair ignitions (shad bell)
     6. 11:16 AM - Re: Corvair ignitions (bender)
     7. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Corvair College #20 (Lagowski Morrow)
     8. 11:48 AM - Re: Corvair ignitions (skellytown flyer)
     9. 12:16 PM - Fw: Corvair Engine (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    10. 01:10 PM - Clevis (Charles Campbell)
    11. 02:52 PM - Re: Fw: Corvair Engine (Ryan Mueller)
    12. 03:13 PM - Re: Fw: Corvair Engine (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
    13. 03:42 PM - Re: Fw: Corvair Engine (Charles Campbell)
    14. 07:22 PM - Macho Grande Update (Kelly Klaus)
    15. 09:49 PM - Re: Clevis (Greg Cardinal)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:49:28 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair ignitions
    Raymond, You should post this on the Corvair list: corvaircraft@mylist.net. Gary BTW - DJ sends best wishes... -----Original Message----- From: skellytown flyer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair ignitions <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> For you crank snappers out there. just wondering if some of you are running the distributor with the electronic pickup on one side W/W sells now. I have been having a big problem getting my 2 sets of points balanced to fire at the same degree advance on mine. I sent it back to him and have one of the new style distributors coming next week. but i am still running this Grand Rapids EIS in the panel that DJ installed. initially it was giving fairly decent readings on the one coil it is connected to but the last time or two I flew it after messing with the gaps to get the timing closer it was way off. I plan on connecting the electronic pickup to the EIS and maybe an electronic tach after getting it in. leaving the other point side clean with nothing else on it but the coil,condenser and ballast resistor.I'm just wondering if anybody else had any problems installing this style ignition pickup and any solutions if you did. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344101#344101


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    Time: 06:54:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins
    From: "Piet2112" <curtdm@gmail.com>
    Here's a quick link to the article. http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1994_02_24.pdf See y'all at Brodhead! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344123#344123


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    Time: 07:00:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair ignitions
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    I may. got an email from him this morning. sent a couple poor pictures I had. I still don't have a good picture of it I am sure hoping this ridiculously hot windy weather will ease up this summer so I can fly once I got the distributor issue settled.it's supposed to be 105 again today. winds only about 20 now- 45 degrees to the runway but they are supposed to blow a lot more later on.guess it's just as well I am not ready to fly anyway-I'd just be frustrated and wondering whether to risk it or not. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344124#344124


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    Time: 08:08:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Building my first wing rib - the journey begins
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    john and Curt, Thanks for the additional info. I did download the article to keep for future reference. I really appreciate all of the support provided by this Forum. See you in Brodhead! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344129#344129


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    Time: 08:45:39 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Corvair ignitions
    Ramond, We are running the electronic/points distributer.- Ours is a wynn e distributer, and the 2 diferent ignition systems are not timed dead on wi th each other.- It is not much of a concern to me, the points are strictl y for backup only.- It will run to full power on either system, the idle speed is some what off between the 2 systems due to the timing being a-co uple of -degrees different.- - Shad- --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair ignitions Raymond, You should post this on the Corvair list:- corvaircraft@mylist.net. Gary BTW - DJ sends best wishes... -----Original Message----- From: skellytown flyer Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair ignitions .com> For you crank snappers out there. just wondering if some of you are running the distributor with the electronic pickup on one side W/W sells now. I ha ve been having a big problem getting my 2 sets of points balanced to fire a t the same degree advance on mine. I sent it back to him and have one of th e new style distributors coming next week. but i am still running this Gran d Rapids EIS in the panel that DJ installed. initially it was giving fairly decent readings on the one coil it is connected to but the last time or tw o I flew it after messing with the gaps to get the timing closer it was way off. I plan on connecting the electronic pickup to the EIS and maybe an el ectronic tach after getting it in. leaving the other point side clean with nothing else on it but the coil,condenser and ballast resistor.I'm just won dering if anybody else had any problems installing this style ignition pick up and any solutions if you did. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344101#344101 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 11:16:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair ignitions
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    i just added a set of points to a mallory model a distributor and noticed the slight difference in timing and had the thought of one just being a backup so it would be ok i'm sure.. dual points distributors are made that way on purpose.. to get more dwell when running both sets to one coil i planned on the more advanced set being the backup... making starting easier.. i set the gap slightly less on the backup points... to get the timing closer.. still in tolorance but not in the middle of the range jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344141#344141


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    Time: 11:38:38 AM PST US
    From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair College #20
    COOL-JIM ----- Original Message ----- From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College #20 > <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> > > There were 60 people in attendance and only 20 engines. Many were only > lookers. If you wanted to team up with someone I am sure your help would > be welcomed. Get there early and look for someone who is disassembling an > engine or has lots of parts. They will be the ones that need the most > help. Just ask if you can help for the experience. If you could do that > I think the experience would be more beneficial. I am a hands on person > and I retain more if I can actually do some work. > > One thing I failed to mention was that discussion of politics and religion > were off limits. I thought that was a real breath of fresh air. > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343858#343858 > > >


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    Time: 11:48:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair ignitions
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    Well per W/W's instructions I messed with mine by shifting the mount plate to the side some as it is loose enough on the screws it can be shifted some plus played with the gap.not having his distributor machine or patience I even devised a shadetree method of my own. I glued a couple small pieces of thin paper to a rubber band and put them in the points and held slight tension on it and rotated the shaft till they would release.got it to where they were close to the same- but still one set the timing mark would hunt fairly bad. I wondered if i had a bad cam lobe -could'nt find any real slop in the shaft. anyway I hope for better luck now. I am not satisfied with either the Datcon tach or the EIS. both were giving bad readings. again maybe bouncing points ? I contacted Mark Langford and he sent me a link to his site telling how he put a 27K ohm resistor in the circuit and it solved his problem.I do not have the manual for the EIS- have to guess that he meant in the coil- pickup wire and try it I guess. if I could find a decent electronic tach that worked properly I would soon remove the EIS. not because the info isn't valuable. but I have a mechanical oil gage and have satisfied my temps are good and not running any mixture control- that is wired full rich on the old Strombergh I don't think it's likely to go lean unless something breaks.and it just ain't natural in a Piet or wanna be Piet panel.th temp hit 111 here as I was coming back from town a little while ago. will likely be too hot to fly anyway today. may take a nap. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344143#344143


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    Time: 12:16:57 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Corvair Engine
    Fellow Pieters: - I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle las t year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am inte rested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please cont act me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be tron d own and rebuilt into an aircraft engine. - KMHeide


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    Time: 01:10:15 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Clevis
    I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck


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    Time: 02:52:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    I'd give you half that....if I was looking.... :P Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>wrote: > Fellow Pieters: > > I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle > last year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am > interested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please > contact me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be > tron down and rebuilt into an aircraft engine. > > KMHeide >


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    Time: 03:13:19 PM PST US
    From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine
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    Time: 03:42:54 PM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair Engine
    Yeah! Considering what you have to do to convert the engine for aircraft use, the fact that it came out of a running auto means very little. $200 tops, I would say. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine I bought a complete running corvair with all the right numbers....carbs...starter..exhaust logs for $150. Turned around and sold the carbs and starter on eBay. From: Ryan Mueller [mailto:rmueller23@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 03:50 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine I'd give you half that....if I was looking.... :P Ryan do not archive On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote: Fellow Pieters: I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle last year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am interested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please contact me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be tron down and rebuilt into an aircraft engine. KMHeide =EF=BD~=EF=BD=03


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    Time: 07:22:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Macho Grande Update
    From: "Kelly Klaus" <kklaus1@austin.rr.com>
    Hey all, I would like to pass on this update on this months work I've done to my project. So far it is going well and I am meeting my personal goals. It was such an advantage building a mock-up of the piet before jumping into the spruce. If anyone hasn't planned to do so, I highly recommend doing it. -------- Kelly Klaus do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344181#344181 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_26_11_392.jpg


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    Time: 09:49:40 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Clevis
    Chuck, You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware. Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you sort out what you need. http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck




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