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1. 04:37 AM - Re: Macho Grande Update (Jack Phillips)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: Clevis (Michael Perez)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Clevis (mark lee)
5. 11:58 AM - Re: Clevis (Catdesigns)
6. 12:39 PM - Re: Clevis (Ryan Mueller)
7. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell)
8. 01:27 PM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell)
9. 01:27 PM - Re: Clevis (kevinpurtee)
10. 01:29 PM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell)
11. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jack Phillips)
12. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jim Boyer)
13. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jack Phillips)
15. 05:26 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
16. 05:35 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (Charles Campbell)
17. 06:26 PM - Stab Leading Edge (echobravo4)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: Stab Leading Edge (bender)
19. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Stab Leading Edge (Michael Perez)
20. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Macho Grande Update |
Looking good, Kelly. I remember that as one of the real highpoints of the
build process - for the first time you have something 3 dimensional that
begins to look like an airplane to even a casual observer. Soon you can sit
in it and make airplane noises (don't be ashamed - anyone who says he never
did that is lying).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Klaus
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Macho Grande Update
Hey all,
I would like to pass on this update on this months work I've done to my
project. So far it is going well and I am meeting my personal goals.
It was such an advantage building a mock-up of the piet before jumping into
the spruce. If anyone hasn't planned to do so, I highly recommend doing it.
--------
Kelly Klaus
do not archive.
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Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data
like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS
and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN#
Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I
spent my money and received the parts did I know that the two would not
fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll
just make do.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
Chuck,
You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit.
It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware.
Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help
you sort out what you need.
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
Greg Cardinal
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From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime
in.
I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various
places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have
a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the
turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the
inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it?
According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about
0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck
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Maybe ACS messed up the order? It seems odd that if the parts are all for one size
cable, that there are fitting issues.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
> From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 8:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greg, I guess my original
> problem is that I didn't
> know that thedata like that you sent is even
> available. I ordered
> cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for
> 3/32 cable, use AN#
> thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions.
> Same for turnbuckle
> forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts
> did I know that the
> two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I
> don't get any other
> posts, I'll just make do.
>
> ----- Original Message
> -----
> From:
> Greg
> Cardinal
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Sent: Monday, June
> 27, 2011 12:47
> AM
> Subject: Re:
> Pietenpol-List: Clevis
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> You shouldn't have to do any
> grinding of terminals to
> make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching
> hardware.
> Hereare a couple of
> pdf's of cable terminal
> fittings that may help you sort out what you
> need.
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message
> -----
> From:
> Charles
> Campbell
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, June
> 26, 2011 3:07
> PM
> Subject:
> Pietenpol-List: Clevis
>
>
> I have a question for
> the forum. Anyone
> who wants to please chime in.
>
> I have 14 clevises (is
> that the correct
> plural?) to use at various places in the control
> system.
> Problem: some of the clevises will have a
> turnbuckle fork attach to
> it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the
> turnbuckle fork slot is
> only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the
> inspector if I ground down
> the clevis until the fork would go over it?
> According to my handy
> dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03
> inch for the fork to
> go on the clevis. Comments?
> Chuck
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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It sounds like something is wrong with that order.I got the wrong type of
aluminum for a gyro plane mast from a reputable company .The stock I
received should not have been in the warehouse.These things happen.At the
very least I'd call them and speak to some one who is very familiar with the
hardware.Or find someone else like an A&P or someone from the EAA. AT the
very worst you may meet some nice people.I've worked on a lot of hang
gliders and few aircraft people are going to fault you for being very
cautious with cable and hardware.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Maybe ACS messed up the order? It seems odd that if the parts are all for
> one size cable, that there are fitting issues.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 8:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg, I guess my original
> > problem is that I didn't
> > know that the data like that you sent is even
> > available. I ordered
> > cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for
> > 3/32 cable, use AN#
> > thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions.
> > Same for turnbuckle
> > forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts
> > did I know that the
> > two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I
> > don't get any other
> > posts, I'll just make do.
> >
> > ----- Original Message
> > -----
> > From:
> > Greg
> > Cardinal
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Sent: Monday, June
> > 27, 2011 12:47
> > AM
> > Subject: Re:
> > Pietenpol-List: Clevis
> >
> >
> > Chuck,
> >
> > You shouldn't have to do any
> > grinding of terminals to
> > make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching
> > hardware.
> > Here are a couple of
> > pdf's of cable terminal
> > fittings that may help you sort out what you
> > need.
> >
> > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
> > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> >
> > ----- Original Message
> > -----
> > From:
> > Charles
> > Campbell
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, June
> > 26, 2011 3:07
> > PM
> > Subject:
> > Pietenpol-List: Clevis
> >
> >
> > I have a question for
> > the forum. Anyone
> > who wants to please chime in.
> >
> > I have 14 clevises (is
> > that the correct
> > plural?) to use at various places in the control
> > system.
> > Problem: some of the clevises will have a
> > turnbuckle fork attach to
> > it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the
> > turnbuckle fork slot is
> > only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the
> > inspector if I ground down
> > the clevis until the fork would go over it?
> > According to my handy
> > dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03
> > inch for the fork to
> > go on the clevis. Comments?
> > Chuck
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> >
> >
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Charles
What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you trying to
hook up? How about a diagram of what youre trying to accomplish? Please dont
just make do. Something you are trying to do just doesnt sound correct.
To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which you
shouldnt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a solid tab.
If youre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use turnbuckle end fittings
for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. If you must connect two fork
ends together, make a short connector out of metal with holes in both ends.
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C 43.13?
You can even download AC 43.13 for free:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentid/99861
Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire the
knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just "making do"
with the wrong parts.
Ryan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net
> wrote:
> **
> Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data like
> that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS and all
> they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN# Clevis pin
> -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I spent my money
> and received the parts did I know that the two would not fit together. Oh
> well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll just make do.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
>
> Chuck,
>
> You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It
> sounds like you may be mismatching hardware.
> Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you
> sort out what you need.
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Clevis
>
> I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in.
>
> I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places
> in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a
> turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the
> turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector
> if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to
> my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the
> fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck
>
> *
>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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Chris,
My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying to
do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the
cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control stick
with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the
elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the
bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the clevises
but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the
turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my
turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The
diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down the
.185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together. Capish?
Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
>
> Charles
>
> What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you
> trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to
> accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to do
> just doesn?Tt sound correct.
>
> To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which
> you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a
> solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use
> turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle.
> If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of
> metal with holes in both ends.
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272
>
>
>
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The link sent me to 43.13 1B in which I could not find anything about
clevises and turnbuckles.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C
43.13? You can even download AC 43.13 for free:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/d
ocument.information/documentid/99861
Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire
the knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just
"making do" with the wrong parts.
Ryan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the
data like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles
from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN#
thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle
forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts did I know that
the two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any
other posts, I'll just make do.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
Chuck,
You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them
fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware.
Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may
help you sort out what you need.
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please
chime in.
I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at
various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises
will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch
thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK
with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go
over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind
off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck
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Chuck - You can put extension tabs on the elevator bellcrank holes. Bend them
out slightly and everything will clear just fine.
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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By 'making do' I meant that I won't use the clevises that I have --
I'll make up something else.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C
43.13? You can even download AC 43.13 for free:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/d
ocument.information/documentid/99861
Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire
the knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just
"making do" with the wrong parts.
Ryan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the
data like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles
from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN#
thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle
forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts did I know that
the two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any
other posts, I'll just make do.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
Chuck,
You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them
fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware.
Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may
help you sort out what you need.
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis
I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please
chime in.
I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at
various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises
will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch
thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK
with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go
over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind
off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck
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Chuck,
Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this
discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system):
If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I made
a
pair of joggled straps of .062=94 4130 which fit into the fork end of
the
turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You=92re right, the plans
don=92t
mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one way to do it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris,
My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying
to
do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the
cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control
stick
with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the
elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the
bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the
clevises
but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the
turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my
turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The
diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down
the
.185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together.
Capish?
Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<Catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Charles
>
> What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you
> trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to
> accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to
do
> just doesn?Tt sound correct.
>
> To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together
which
> you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go
over a
> solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use
> turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the
turnbuckle.
> If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out
of
> metal with holes in both ends.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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Chuck where the two elevator cables attach to the belcrank use a large cable shackle.
Two thimbles, AN100-4 will fit over a large shackle. When I asked about
making up cables a week or so ago someone sent me a picture of exactly that.
I made up my tail brace cables using four larger cable shackles; one for the left
hand upper brace cables, one for the right hand upper brace cables and the
same for the bottom four brace cables. Eight cables come together at four cable
shackles.
I am going to do the same thing for the elevator cables where they meet at the
belcrank.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Jack, I notice you do not have turnbuckles on the 'elevator' side of the
bellcrank. Are your turnbuckles back at the elevator horns?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
Chuck,
Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this
discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system):
If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I
made a pair of joggled straps of .062" 4130 which fit into the fork end
of the turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You're right, the
plans don't mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one
way to do it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris,
My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm
trying to
do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the
cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control
stick
with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the
elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the
bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the
clevises
but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the
turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my
turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The
diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind
down the
.185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together.
Capish?
Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<Catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Charles
>
> What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are
you
> trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to
> accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying
to do
> just doesn?Tt sound correct.
>
> To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together
which
> you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should
go over a
> solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle,
use
> turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the
turnbuckle.
> If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector
out of
> metal with holes in both ends.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yes. Easier to adjust them there.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
Jack, I notice you do not have turnbuckles on the 'elevator' side of the
bellcrank. Are your turnbuckles back at the elevator horns?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
Chuck,
Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this
discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system):
If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I made
a
pair of joggled straps of .062=94 4130 which fit into the fork end of
the
turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You=92re right, the plans
don=92t
mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one way to do it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris,
My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying
to
do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the
cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control
stick
with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the
elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the
bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the
clevises
but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the
turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my
turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The
diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down
the
.185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together.
Capish?
Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis
<Catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Charles
>
> What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you
> trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to
> accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to
do
> just doesn?Tt sound correct.
>
> To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together
which
> you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go
over a
> solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use
> turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the
turnbuckle.
> If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out
of
> metal with holes in both ends.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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looks like a short wheel base corvair.
From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine
Fellow Pieters:
I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle las
t year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am inte
rested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please cont
act me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be tron d
own and rebuilt into an aircraft engine.
KMHeide
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Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine |
I thought that, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine
looks like a short wheel base corvair.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:14:25 -0700
From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine
To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
Fellow Pieters:
I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair
vehicle last year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild
book. I am interested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the
list. Please contact me off list if interested. The motor is complete
and needs to be tron down and rebuilt into an aircraft engine.
KMHeide
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Subject: | Stab Leading Edge |
Got the horizontal stab leading edge glued on and mostly sanded today-
will match up the elevator ends and finish it up this week. Vertical/rudder
are done, will be starting on the fuse soon! :D
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Stab Leading Edge |
looks nice... pretty work
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Stab Leading Edge |
The fuselage is the most fun build of the entire project! Interesting how you made
the leading edge corners with the cut curves.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 6/27/11, bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab Leading Edge
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> looks nice... pretty work
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Just to throw a monkey wrench in it here's my
solution at the bellcrank. :-)
Clif
Now look at the
> elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the
> bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the
> clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of
> the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. > Hope
> I am clearer than mud! Chuck
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