---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/27/11: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:37 AM - Re: Macho Grande Update (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell) 3. 07:07 AM - Re: Clevis (Michael Perez) 4. 09:39 AM - Re: Clevis (mark lee) 5. 11:58 AM - Re: Clevis (Catdesigns) 6. 12:39 PM - Re: Clevis (Ryan Mueller) 7. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell) 8. 01:27 PM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell) 9. 01:27 PM - Re: Clevis (kevinpurtee) 10. 01:29 PM - Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell) 11. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jack Phillips) 12. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jim Boyer) 13. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Charles Campbell) 14. 04:43 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Jack Phillips) 15. 05:26 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 16. 05:35 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (Charles Campbell) 17. 06:26 PM - Stab Leading Edge (echobravo4) 18. 06:33 PM - Re: Stab Leading Edge (bender) 19. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Stab Leading Edge (Michael Perez) 20. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Clevis (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:41 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Macho Grande Update Looking good, Kelly. I remember that as one of the real highpoints of the build process - for the first time you have something 3 dimensional that begins to look like an airplane to even a casual observer. Soon you can sit in it and make airplane noises (don't be ashamed - anyone who says he never did that is lying). Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Klaus Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Macho Grande Update Hey all, I would like to pass on this update on this months work I've done to my project. So far it is going well and I am meeting my personal goals. It was such an advantage building a mock-up of the piet before jumping into the spruce. If anyone hasn't planned to do so, I highly recommend doing it. -------- Kelly Klaus do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344181#344181 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_26_11_392.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts did I know that the two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll just make do. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis Chuck, You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware. Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you sort out what you need. http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis Maybe ACS messed up the order? It seems odd that if the parts are all for one size cable, that there are fitting issues. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Charles Campbell wrote: > From: Charles Campbell > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 8:26 AM > > > > > > > > Greg, I guess my original > problem is that I didn't > know that thedata like that you sent is even > available. I ordered > cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for > 3/32 cable, use AN# > thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. > Same for turnbuckle > forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts > did I know that the > two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I > don't get any other > posts, I'll just make do. > > ----- Original Message > ----- > From: > Greg > Cardinal > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Monday, June > 27, 2011 12:47 > AM > Subject: Re: > Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > > Chuck, > > You shouldn't have to do any > grinding of terminals to > make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching > hardware. > Hereare a couple of > pdf's of cable terminal > fittings that may help you sort out what you > need. > > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf > > Greg Cardinal > > ----- Original Message > ----- > From: > Charles > Campbell > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June > 26, 2011 3:07 > PM > Subject: > Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > > I have a question for > the forum. Anyone > who wants to please chime in. > > I have 14 clevises (is > that the correct > plural?) to use at various places in the control > system. > Problem: some of the clevises will have a > turnbuckle fork attach to > it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the > turnbuckle fork slot is > only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the > inspector if I ground down > the clevis until the fork would go over it? > According to my handy > dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 > inch for the fork to > go on the clevis. Comments? > Chuck > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis From: mark lee It sounds like something is wrong with that order.I got the wrong type of aluminum for a gyro plane mast from a reputable company .The stock I received should not have been in the warehouse.These things happen.At the very least I'd call them and speak to some one who is very familiar with the hardware.Or find someone else like an A&P or someone from the EAA. AT the very worst you may meet some nice people.I've worked on a lot of hang gliders and few aircraft people are going to fault you for being very cautious with cable and hardware. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> > > Maybe ACS messed up the order? It seems odd that if the parts are all for > one size cable, that there are fitting issues. > > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Charles Campbell wrote: > > > From: Charles Campbell > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 8:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg, I guess my original > > problem is that I didn't > > know that the data like that you sent is even > > available. I ordered > > cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for > > 3/32 cable, use AN# > > thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. > > Same for turnbuckle > > forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts > > did I know that the > > two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I > > don't get any other > > posts, I'll just make do. > > > > ----- Original Message > > ----- > > From: > > Greg > > Cardinal > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June > > 27, 2011 12:47 > > AM > > Subject: Re: > > Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > You shouldn't have to do any > > grinding of terminals to > > make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching > > hardware. > > Here are a couple of > > pdf's of cable terminal > > fittings that may help you sort out what you > > need. > > > > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf > > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf > > > > Greg Cardinal > > > > ----- Original Message > > ----- > > From: > > Charles > > Campbell > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June > > 26, 2011 3:07 > > PM > > Subject: > > Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > > > > > I have a question for > > the forum. Anyone > > who wants to please chime in. > > > > I have 14 clevises (is > > that the correct > > plural?) to use at various places in the control > > system. > > Problem: some of the clevises will have a > > turnbuckle fork attach to > > it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the > > turnbuckle fork slot is > > only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the > > inspector if I ground down > > the clevis until the fork would go over it? > > According to my handy > > dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 > > inch for the fork to > > go on the clevis. Comments? > > Chuck > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis From: "Catdesigns" Charles What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what youre trying to accomplish? Please dont just make do. Something you are trying to do just doesnt sound correct. To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which you shouldnt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a solid tab. If youre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of metal with holes in both ends. Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis From: Ryan Mueller By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C 43.13? You can even download AC 43.13 for free: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentid/99861 Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire the knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just "making do" with the wrong parts. Ryan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: > ** > Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data like > that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS and all > they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN# Clevis pin > -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I spent my money > and received the parts did I know that the two would not fit together. Oh > well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll just make do. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Greg Cardinal > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > Chuck, > > You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It > sounds like you may be mismatching hardware. > Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you > sort out what you need. > > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf > http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf > > Greg Cardinal > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Charles Campbell > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Clevis > > I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. > > I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places > in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a > turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the > turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector > if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to > my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the > fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:28 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chris, My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying to do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control stick with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down the .185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together. Capish? Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis > > Charles > > What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you > trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to > accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to do > just doesn?Tt sound correct. > > To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which > you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a > solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use > turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. > If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of > metal with holes in both ends. > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis The link sent me to 43.13 1B in which I could not find anything about clevises and turnbuckles. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C 43.13? You can even download AC 43.13 for free: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/d ocument.information/documentid/99861 Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire the knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just "making do" with the wrong parts. Ryan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts did I know that the two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll just make do. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis Chuck, You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware. Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you sort out what you need. http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis From: "kevinpurtee" Chuck - You can put extension tabs on the elevator bellcrank holes. Bend them out slightly and everything will clear just fine. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344282#344282 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:45 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis By 'making do' I meant that I won't use the clevises that I have -- I'll make up something else. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis By any chance do you have the Bingelis books....maybe a copy of A/C 43.13? You can even download AC 43.13 for free: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/d ocument.information/documentid/99861 Although the print version is eminently more useful. Better to acquire the knowledge to know how to do things the right way instead of just "making do" with the wrong parts. Ryan On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Charles Campbell wrote: Greg, I guess my original problem is that I didn't know that the data like that you sent is even available. I ordered cable shackles from ACS and all they listed was the AN# for 3/32 cable, use AN# thimble, and AN# Clevis pin -- no other dimensions. Same for turnbuckle forks. Until I spent my money and received the parts did I know that the two would not fit together. Oh well, I guess if I don't get any other posts, I'll just make do. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis Chuck, You shouldn't have to do any grinding of terminals to make them fit. It sounds like you may be mismatching hardware. Here are a couple of pdf's of cable terminal fittings that may help you sort out what you need. http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an115_ms20115.pdf http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis I have a question for the forum. Anyone who wants to please chime in. I have 14 clevises (is that the correct plural?) to use at various places in the control system. Problem: some of the clevises will have a turnbuckle fork attach to it. The Clevis is 0.185 inch thick and the turnbuckle fork slot is only 0.156 inch. Would it be OK with the inspector if I ground down the clevis until the fork would go over it? According to my handy dandy calculator I would have to grind off about 0.03 inch for the fork to go on the clevis. Comments? Chuck href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:03 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chuck, Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system): If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I made a pair of joggled straps of .062=94 4130 which fit into the fork end of the turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You=92re right, the plans don=92t mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one way to do it. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chris, My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying to do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control stick with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down the .185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together. Capish? Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis > > Charles > > What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you > trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to > accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to do > just doesn?Tt sound correct. > > To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which > you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a > solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use > turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. > If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of > metal with holes in both ends. > > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:50 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chuck where the two elevator cables attach to the belcrank use a large cable shackle. Two thimbles, AN100-4 will fit over a large shackle. When I asked about making up cables a week or so ago someone sent me a picture of exactly that. I made up my tail brace cables using four larger cable shackles; one for the left hand upper brace cables, one for the right hand upper brace cables and the same for the bottom four brace cables. Eight cables come together at four cable shackles. I am going to do the same thing for the elevator cables where they meet at the belcrank. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:53 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Jack, I notice you do not have turnbuckles on the 'elevator' side of the bellcrank. Are your turnbuckles back at the elevator horns? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chuck, Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system): If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I made a pair of joggled straps of .062" 4130 which fit into the fork end of the turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You're right, the plans don't mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one way to do it. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chris, My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying to do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control stick with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down the .185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together. Capish? Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis > > Charles > > What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you > trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to > accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to do > just doesn?Tt sound correct. > > To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which > you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a > solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use > turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. > If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of > metal with holes in both ends. > > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:33 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Yes. Easier to adjust them there. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Jack, I notice you do not have turnbuckles on the 'elevator' side of the bellcrank. Are your turnbuckles back at the elevator horns? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chuck, Here's a photo showing how I handled this area (for purposes of this discussion, ignore the spring driven trim system): If you look closely you can see that where the turnbuckles attach I made a pair of joggled straps of .062=94 4130 which fit into the fork end of the turnbuckles and fit around the bellcrank. You=92re right, the plans don=92t mention this, but it has to be done somehow. This is one way to do it. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Chris, My scanner is acting up so I can't send you a drawing of what I'm trying to do. If you have a set of Aircamper plans look on the one showing the cockpit controls. There is a clevis at each side of the rear control stick with a cable attached to each -- that one I can do. Now look at the elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. On my turnbuckle fork the space between the 'tines' is only 0.150 inch. The diameter of the clevis is 0.185 inch. Thus, I would have to grind down the .185 dimension to less than 0.15 inch for the two to work together. Capish? Hope I am clearer than mud! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis > > Charles > > What exactly are you trying to do? Which part of the controls are you > trying to hook up? How about a diagram of what you?Tre trying to > accomplish? Please don?Tt just make do. Something you are trying to do > just doesn?Tt sound correct. > > To me it sounds like your trying to connect two forked ends together which > you shouldn?Tt do. Fork ends (turnbuckle end or shackle) should go over a > solid tab. If you?Tre trying to attach a cable to a turnbuckle, use > turnbuckle end fittings for connecting a cable directly to the turnbuckle. > If you must connect two fork ends together, make a short connector out of > metal with holes in both ends. > > > > Chris > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344272#344272 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:06 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine looks like a short wheel base corvair. From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Fellow Pieters: I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle las t year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am inte rested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please cont act me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be tron d own and rebuilt into an aircraft engine. KMHeide ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:15 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine I thought that, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine looks like a short wheel base corvair. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:14:25 -0700 From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com Fellow Pieters: I have a complete Corvair Engine removed from a working Corvair vehicle last year. It is everything according to WIlliam Wynne rebuild book. I am interested in selling this motor for $600.00 to anyone on the list. Please contact me off list if interested. The motor is complete and needs to be tron down and rebuilt into an aircraft engine. KMHeide ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stab Leading Edge From: "echobravo4" Got the horizontal stab leading edge glued on and mostly sanded today- will match up the elevator ends and finish it up this week. Vertical/rudder are done, will be starting on the fuse soon! :D -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344316#344316 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0001_167.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0003_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0007_138.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab Leading Edge From: "bender" looks nice... pretty work jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344320#344320 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:40 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab Leading Edge The fuselage is the most fun build of the entire project! Interesting how you made the leading edge corners with the cut curves. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 6/27/11, bender wrote: > From: bender > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab Leading Edge > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 9:30 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "bender" > > looks nice... pretty work > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344320#344320 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:08 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Clevis Just to throw a monkey wrench in it here's my solution at the bellcrank. :-) Clif Now look at the > elevator control bellcrank. There are four clevises attached to the > bellcrank. The drawing shows the cables connecting directly to the > clevises but there must be a turnbuckle in each cable. The fork end of > the turnbuckle would have to attach to the clevis, top and bottom. > Hope > I am clearer than mud! 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