Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/05/11


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Jack Phillips)
     2. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Doug Dever)
     3. 12:44 PM - Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
     4. 04:55 PM - Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets (helspersew@aol.com)
     5. 04:58 PM - Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets (Jerry Dotson)
     6. 05:37 PM - Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets (Jack)
     7. 07:09 PM - Re: Insurance (Don Emch)
     8. 07:44 PM - For Dick Navratil (kevinpurtee)
     9. 10:02 PM - Routed Fuse slats (Mark Roberts)
    10. 11:01 PM - arlington (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:52:48 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Like Don, I carry Liability and Ground Hull insurance on my Pietenpol. You aren't allowed to participate in EAA Young Eagle flights if you don't have Liability insurance, and ground hull is quite cheap. I have my insurance with Falcon, the EAA's carrier. Cost is a little over $400 per year. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 10:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consultant for an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our larger commercial accounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side, but our agents do write policies for aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They write any airplane all the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insurance to carry, not even liability. Unless a specific locale might require it. Non-movement hull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" homebuilt. The premium really isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchase an amount that is equivalent to your receipts as long as a total loss would not exceed a set amount. Insurance can get complicated but there are some good policies out there and for a small investment it's not a bad idea. In addition to having liability coverage, I know when I head out into storm country in a couple of weeks and leave it out at night unde! r trees, it's nice to know I have that non-movement hull coverage that is pretty reasonably priced. "In movement" hull coverage, however, is pretty pricey for homebuilts and can be hard to justify. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344925#344925


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    Time: 06:07:45 AM PST US
    From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Don=2C Nice fact to know. I did not realize there was such a thing. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance > From: EmchAir@aol.com > Date: Mon=2C 4 Jul 2011 19:33:19 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consu ltant for an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our large r commercial accounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side=2C but our agents do write policies for aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They writ e any airplane all the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insu rance to carry=2C not even liability. Unless a specific locale might requir e it. Non-movement hull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" hom ebuilt. The premium really isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchase an amount that is equivalent to your receipts a s long as a total loss would not exceed a set amount. Insurance can get com plicated but there are some good policies out there and for a small investm ent it's not a bad idea. In addition to having liability coverage=2C I know when I head out into storm country in a couple of weeks and leave it out a t night unde! > r trees=2C it's nice to know I have that non-movement hull coverage that is pretty reasonably priced. "In movement" hull coverage=2C however=2C is p retty pricey for homebuilts and can be hard to justify. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344925#344925 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 12:44:54 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
    Members: Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends! The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wide steel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware steel or what is others using?) Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending them up. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the stage of attaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these hinges. Truly need your prints and 'how too' diagrams. Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for some front fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim? KMHeide Hawley, MN


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    Time: 04:55:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Hi Ken, I used 4130. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 2:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets com> Members: Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends! The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wid e teel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware stee l or hat is others using?) Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending them p. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the stag e of ttaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these hinges. Trul y eed your prints and 'how too' diagrams. Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for som e ront fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim? KMHeide awley, MN -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 04:58:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I made mine from 0.090" 4130 sheet. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345042#345042


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    Time: 05:37:16 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
    Ken, "Jack" as in Textor? I used Vi Kapler's cast aluminum hinges. I believe Jim Markle used the type of hinge you are describing. Jack DSM Jack Textor Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> Members: Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends! The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wide steel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware steel or what is others using?) Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending them up. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the stage of attaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these hinges. Truly need your prints and 'how too' diagrams. Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for some front fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim? KMHeide Hawley, MN


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    Time: 07:09:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Jack, mine is also $400 per year. I had a claim when my hangar collapsed on the Piet about 6 years ago. Somewhere around $8,000. Very simple, they asked me to write up an estimate at a reasonable hourly rate plus materials. That was my estimate. Overall it worked out very well. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345055#345055


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    Time: 07:44:28 PM PST US
    Subject: For Dick Navratil
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Dick - Do you plan on camping in homebuilt camping at OSH? Thanks, Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345059#345059


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    Time: 10:02:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Routed Fuse slats
    From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Hi All: I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center, and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center line on the rest of the members. I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went one edge of the Box Bit... So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess that would'a been a better option, but not one for me... I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight (maybe a very little bit....) Suggestions? Thanks. Mark


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    Time: 11:01:44 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: arlington
    So who besides me will be at Arlington? I will be in spot yj10 as of Thursday afternoon. Sometime. Border guardians willing. Clif




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