---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/07/11: 62 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:39 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Kringle) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 03:54 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Jack Phillips) 4. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: For Dick Navratil (Jack) 5. 04:01 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Gene Rambo) 6. 04:05 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Jack) 7. 05:16 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (airlion) 8. 05:20 AM - UK Pietenpol Club (johnnysdrop) 9. 05:33 AM - Jack & Sue's offer (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 10. 05:36 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Don Emch) 11. 05:50 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Bill Church) 12. 05:56 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Richard Schreiber) 13. 06:22 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Ken Bickers) 14. 06:27 AM - Re: UK Pietenpol Club (Pieti Lowell) 15. 06:34 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Pieti Lowell) 16. 06:35 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (kevinpurtee) 17. 07:03 AM - Re: UK Pietenpol Club (jarheadpilot82) 18. 07:09 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 19. 07:33 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Perry Rhoads) 20. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Get-together (shad bell) 21. 07:39 AM - Re: Jack's invite for lunch at Brodhead. (Woodflier@aol.com) 22. 07:41 AM - Taylorcraft fly-in (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 23. 08:00 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (wayne & Cathy Boniface) 24. 08:09 AM - Re: Taylorcraft fly-in (shad bell) 25. 08:39 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Dan Yocum) 26. 09:31 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (macz@peak.org) 27. 09:32 AM - Re: Routed Fuse slats (Mark Roberts) 28. 09:35 AM - Re: Routed Fuse slats (Ryan Mueller) 29. 09:40 AM - Re: Routed Fuse slats (Ryan Mueller) 30. 09:43 AM - Re: Routed Fuse slats (Mark Roberts) 31. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Routed Fuse slats (Mark Roberts) 32. 09:48 AM - Another Piet in AVweb's POTW contest (Bill Church) 33. 09:50 AM - Re: Routed Fuse slats (Mark Roberts) 34. 09:52 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (dog67@aol.com) 35. 12:51 PM - Re: Taylorcraft fly-in (Don Emch) 36. 01:57 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (K5YAC) 37. 02:11 PM - 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (aerocarjake) 38. 02:18 PM - Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (aerocarjake) 39. 02:26 PM - Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (Piet2112) 40. 03:07 PM - Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (Bill Church) 41. 04:09 PM - Brodhead get-together (helspersew@aol.com) 42. 04:33 PM - Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (Gboothe5) 43. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! (helspersew@aol.com) 44. 05:06 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Piep) 45. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Routed Fuse slats (V Groah) 46. 06:17 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Jack) 47. 06:28 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Gboothe5) 48. 06:32 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 49. 06:35 PM - Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Tom Travis) 50. 06:48 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Ryan Mueller) 51. 06:54 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Jack Phillips) 52. 07:22 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (amsafetyc@aol.com) 53. 07:44 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (PatrickW) 54. 08:04 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Gene Rambo) 55. 08:08 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Ryan Mueller) 56. 08:10 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Ryan Mueller) 57. 08:17 PM - Re: Brodhead get-together (Ryan Mueller) 58. 08:19 PM - FW: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... (Jack Phillips) 59. 08:31 PM - Re: FW: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... (Ryan Mueller) 60. 09:19 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (Jim Boyer) 61. 09:54 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (dgaldrich) 62. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead Get-together (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "Kringle" Not sure if i can get there in time but will try. Count me and my son in. John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345223#345223 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together From: helspersew@aol.com Jack, Count me in. I'll see you there. Please let us know what to bring. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:32 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Sounds great, Jack. I'll be there. What can I bring? Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can't wait! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:30 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Dick Navratil Dick, We camp in the 101 Woods area that is west of the private residence campground. The smiley face balloon (beer tent) is north across the east west entrance road. Hope to see you there! Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Dick Navratil Sorry I should havw made that reply clearer. My plane will be parked in the Rotec engines booth. I will be in Camp Scholler. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For Dick Navratil > > > So that means you will be parking in Homebuilt Parking, not Homebuilt > Camping? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:13 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For Dick Navratil > > > Hi Kevin > I think my back isn't going to take sleeping on the ground for that long. > I > > am thinking of dropping my camper at OSH next week and picking it up after > the show. > Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevinpurtee" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:41 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Dick Navratil > > >> >> >> Dick - Do you plan on camping in homebuilt camping at OSH? >> >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Kevin "Axel" Purtee >> NX899KP >> Austin/Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345059#345059 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:54 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together count me in. Don't know if Karen and our little guy will be there by then =2C though. We'll bring anything you need Gene From: jack@textors.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Th ursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about hav ing brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please l et me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It=92s a gre en and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails=2C date and time to be determined. Can=92t wait! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:30 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks. All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather! Keep the replies coming in. Jack and Susan DSM Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too! _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can't wait! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together My wife Susan and I would like to come. Cheers and thanks for the invite. =0AGardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ja ck =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, July 6, 2011 8:40:04 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together =0A=0AB rodhead Get-together =0ASusan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday =0Aevening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about havingbratsand =0Ahamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to 12:00. Anytakersplease let me know. We will =0Ahave ourmotor homeparked i n the SW 40. It=99s a green and white 37 foot =0AItasca. We would al so like tohave friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for =0Acocktails, ============== =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: UK Pietenpol Club From: "johnnysdrop" I don't know if many of you have ever looked at the UK Pietenpol Club web site or facebook pages but there is some good stuff there! Take a look at them, you don't need to be registered for general browsing, go to: http://www.facebook.com/ukpietenpolclub http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/ Enjoy UK Pietenpol's, John Theron -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345234#345234 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:55 AM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack & Sue's offer Jack, Please count me in and let me know what I can contribute. I' am also looking forward to meeting the members from the list and have lots of questions to be answered. Joe Swithin Morris, IL route 80 and 47 for anyone passing through. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "Don Emch" Count me in too, Jack! If Dan has you lined up for a ride, I'll swap a ride with Susan for a brat. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345240#345240 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "Bill Church" You're good people, Jack and Susan. Very generous offer. Thank you. Reservation for 1, please. Bill C. (perhaps we could set up a "donations" jar to help defray the costs. Your hospitality should not cost you money.) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345242#345242 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:29 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Count me in also Jack. I plan on flying into Brodhead on Thursday evening and leaving for Oshkosh Sat or Sunday. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Sent: 7/6/2011 7:44:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Cant wait! Jack DSM No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together From: Ken Bickers Jack, Count my son, Kevin, and me in. We'll happily add to the donation jar. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Richard Schreiber wrote: > Count me in also Jack. I plan on flying into Brodhead on Thursday evening > and leaving for Oshkosh Sat or Sunday. > > Rick Schreiber > Valparaiso, IN > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: 7/6/2011 7:44:33 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together > > Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there > Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about > having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please > let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green > and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in > Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. > Cant wait! > > Jack > > DSM > > > ________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: UK Pietenpol Club From: "Pieti Lowell" John, I will see you and your Lady at Brodhead, to talk over old times and my first visit to your first club meeting, Pieti Lowell Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345251#345251 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "Pieti Lowell" Jack, If I remember where Brodhead is, count me in, and thanks for the invite. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345253#345253 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Jack. See you there. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345254#345254 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: UK Pietenpol Club From: "jarheadpilot82" John, I look forward to meeting you at Brodhead. I was in London last weekend and took the Train out to Bicester and saw Peter Wright's Piet G-OFFA as well as G-OHAL. I joined the UK Pietenpol Club while I was over there. Peter and I correspond fairly often. I am looking forward to Brodhead in general and getting to meet you and all the other Forum members in particular. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345257#345257 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:58 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Please include 2 more for your party! KMHeide Hawley, MN --- On Thu, 7/7/11, Jack wrote: > From: Jack > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 6:02 AM > > > > > > > Brodhead Get-together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like > its a party, > great! Will miss you Jim, youre on Dan, > thanks. All friends > are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we > will handle the > rest. Lets hope for CALM > weather! > > Keep the > replies coming in > > Jack and > Susan > > DSM > > > Tom > WI copied you, hope you can > make it too! > > > > > > > > > > From: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > > Sent: > Wednesday, July 06, 2011 > 7:40 PM > > To: > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: > Pietenpol-List: Brodhead > Get-together > > > > > > Susan > and I would like to > host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to > be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for > Oshkosh . We were thinking about > having > brats > and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. > Any takers > please let me know. We will have our > motor home > parked > in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37 foot > Itasca . > We > would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh > ( Camp > Scholler ) for cocktails, date and time > to be determined. Cant wait! > > > Jack > > > DSM > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:04 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Brodhead Get-togetherJack, Count me in. Thanks! Perry Rhoads ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can't wait! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:19 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together Jack You can count me and Dad in we should be there by thursday weather per mitting, - Shad ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:20 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack's invite for lunch at Brodhead. Jack, put my name in the pot. Very nice of you all to host us. Let me know what I can contribute. Also looking forward to meeting all. Matt Paxton NX629ML ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:37 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft fly-in Hey Don, Shad, Mike and other Ohio area Piet guys, Any of you going to the T-Craft fly in at Barber field this weekend? Ed and plan to head up Friday morning. Last year there was 6 or 7 Piets there. Skip http://www.barberaircraft.com/events.html skipgadd@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:51 AM PST US From: wayne & Cathy Boniface Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Jack I am coming to brodhead for the first time with notebook and camera in hand and would like to join your get together and put faces to all the names. starting to get excited. wayne waterloo on. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:22 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft fly-in Skipp, I have to work on saturday so I won't make it.- I was hoping to ma ke a few local fly-ins this year but, due to weather and work I just hope I am lucky enough to make Brodhead. - Shad --- On Thu, 7/7/11, skipgadd@earthlink.net wrote: From: skipgadd@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft fly-in Hey Don, Shad, Mike and other Ohio area Piet guys, Any of you going to the T-Craft fly in at Barber field this weekend? Ed and plan to head up Friday morning. Last year there was 6 or 7 Piets there. Skip - http://www.barberaircraft.com/events.html skipgadd@earthlink.net - ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:26 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Jon, I'd love a picture of N8031 in flight, if you can slow down enough! Hopefully, the weather will cooperate more this year and you can stick around longer. Look me up whenever you get to Brodhead - N8031 is the mostly yellow and dark blue Piet. Thanks! Dan do not archive On 07/06/2011 10:17 PM, dog67@aol.com wrote: > COunt me in - but only if I can chip in. > BTW - I am bringing my lilttle yellow Glastar to Brodhead, on the way to > Osh, and was hoping to take the doors off and do some air-to-air > photography of Piet's in flight. If anyone would like a pic of their > bird, I'd like the practice. > Thanks > jon apfelbaum > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Yocum > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:52 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum> > > Jack, > > I'll only take you up on your offer if I can give you a ride in my Piet. > > See you there! > Dan > > On 07/06/2011 07:40 PM, Jack wrote: >> Susan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there >> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about >> havingbratsand hamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to 12:00. Anytakersplease >> let me know. We will have ourmotor homeparked in the SW 40.Its a green >> and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like tohave friends join us in >> Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. >> Cant wait! >> >> Jack >> >> DSM >> >> * >> >> >> * > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov ,http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together From: macz@peak.org Jack-- Sounds like a great chance to visit. Gloria and I would love to come. --Mac in Oregon > Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there > Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about > having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers > please > let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a > green > and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in > Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. > Can't wait! > Jack > DSM > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats From: Mark Roberts Hey Mike: Since it was your fuse that I saw that cuased me to want to do this, I was hoping to hear from you on this... I did make a jig for a trim router as you suggested, but the hole on washers I used was just a bit too tight. The bit rotated cleanly while it was turned off, but within 2 seconds of turning the router on, an edge caught the washer and I had a one edged box core bit left... :o( Oh well, back out to the money tree to pick off another 20 and back to the store... I am not sure the weight difference will be worth the effort, and I am already going to have to glue a 1/8" ply strip to one of the read diagonals due to a side breach, but what the heck. I'll just move the final inspection out one more week and keep moving (that's the final inspection 3 years from now :o) I nought a small DeWalt trimmer router that looks easier to maneuver on the sticks, and I am gonna make another jig, so maybe I'll change my mind and try the whole fuse. As it is, I am thinking I will just do the inside of the right side to balance things out and be done... Thanks for the help! Mark On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I > guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate > that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to > locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to > be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your > fuselage side. > > Mike Groah > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Hi All: > > I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the > cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit > of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had > reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center, > and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center > line on the rest of the members. > > I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and > attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to > the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it > on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went > one edge of the Box Bit... > > So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did > you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were > made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess > that would'a been a better option, but not one for me... > > I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and > call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side > of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of > the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight > (maybe a very little bit....) > > Suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Mark > > * > > ================================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ===================================ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ===================================http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats From: Ryan Mueller Even with a door you're not getting out a hurry. Forget about it, build to plans, and you'll have a nice flying airplane. If you're worried about weight, stop going to McDonalds. You'll be healthier, and she'll fly better.... Ryan On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:06 PM, norm wrote: > The added door is a worthwhile addition , everyone knows how tough it is > getting into the front seat ,getting out in a hurry is more important... > IMHO----NORM > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jack Phillips > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wed, July 6, 2011 2:52:13 PM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats > > This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and the n > trying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep so me > of the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengt h > caused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door. > > > Or you could just build it to the plans=85 > > > One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly > incorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbin g > into the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can be > accomodated, saving the pilot from having to say =93I=92m sorry, there=92 s no way > this airplane can lift you off the ground.=94 > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Campbel l > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:26 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats > > > Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested th e > plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the w ing > spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Michael Groah > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats > > > Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I > guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base pl ate > that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to > locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to > be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your > fuselage side. > > > Mike Groah > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Hi All: > > > I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route th e > cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bi t > of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had > reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from cent er, > and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, cent er > line on the rest of the members. > > > I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and > attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to > the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned i t > on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there w ent > one edge of the Box Bit... > > > So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did > you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides w ere > made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I gue ss > that would'a been a better option, but not one for me... > > > I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and > call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside si de > of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of > the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight > (maybe a very little bit....) > > > Suggestions? > > > Thanks. > > > Mark > > * * > > * * > > *==========* > > *>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *==========* > > *ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *==========* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion* > > *==========* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > *ht --> http://www.matronics.com/contributi========== === > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats From: Ryan Mueller Are you sure you're building an airplane, and not just infatuated with jigs? do not archive On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > I nought a small DeWalt trimmer router that looks easier to maneuver on the > sticks, and I am gonna make another jig > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats From: Mark Roberts Hey Jack! You're right! Building to the plans is the best way to go... But once my wife said "I like that door thingy that Charlie has on HIS plane.... How much money did you say you needed for the next wood purchase? If you want that money, build me a door..." I thought about saying to her: "I'm sorry, but there's no way this airplane can lift you off the ground", but sleeping in our trailer the rest of my life didn't sound as easy as cutting a door into the plane... :o) The beef of the actual build is pretty substantial. When I examined the plans for the door, I saw those large planks of sruce that make up for the cut in the longeron, and it seemed worth the trade off... Anyway, my plane will look like a piet, but I have already designed a few modifications to fit my 6'4" frame that any purest will say I am building a Mark... Mark On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > ** ** ** > > This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and then > trying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep so me > of the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengt h > caused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.**** > > ** ** > > Or you could just build it to the plans=85**** > > ** ** > > One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly > incorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbin g > into the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can be > accomodated, saving the pilot from having to say =93I=92m sorry, there=92 s no way > this airplane can lift you off the ground.=94**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94**** > > ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Campbel l > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:26 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats > **** > > ** ** > > Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested th e > plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the w ing > spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments?**** > > ----- Original Message ----- **** > > *From:* Michael Groah **** > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com **** > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM**** > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats**** > > ** ** > > Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I > guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base pl ate > that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to > locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to > be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your > fuselage side. **** > > ** ** > > Mike Groah**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > Sent from my iPhone**** > > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:* * > ** > > Hi All: **** > > ** ** > > I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route th e > cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bi t > of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had > reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from cent er, > and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, cent er > line on the rest of the members.**** > > ** ** > > I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and > attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to > the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned i t > on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there w ent > one edge of the Box Bit...**** > > ** ** > > So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did > you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides w ere > made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I gue ss > that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...**** > > ** ** > > I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and > call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside si de > of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of > the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight > (maybe a very little bit....)**** > > ** ** > > Suggestions?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks.**** > > ** ** > > Mark**** > > * * > > * * > > *==========* > > *>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *==========* > > *ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *==========* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion* > > *==========* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats From: Mark Roberts Thanks guys... I do think you are correct. THe weight savings is minimal and the risk of screwing up something is too great. I have already started on the inside of the left side. I thing I will just do the same on the right and call it even. Thanks for the advice! And, thank to the group for being friendly enough to ask a question MOST would think rather stupid, as the real answer would be "Build it to plans, dummy!" This is a great bunch to share ideas with, and I appreciate the respect offered to answer even stupid questions! Mark On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > I routed my spars, which -- after quite a bit of head scratching to > figure out a way to jig everything in place -- turned out to be > comparatively simple. I took a bunch of pictures, which I can share, > if that would be useful. > > I didn't try to route the fuselage pieces. I think the weight savings > would be hard to justify, relative to the risk of screwing something > up. > > Besides routers produce a lot of torque. If you raise the tail of the > fuselage with the router spinning, you'll be dealing with p-factor, > too. If you aren't quick with your feet, you might find yourself off > the side of your shop. > > Ken > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Bill Church > wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > > > Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that > many builders have routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a > lot of feedback to your question. > > > > I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander > off of center). One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than > building. I'm not convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun) > the risks. > > I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of > the work sounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse > assembled). Additionally, routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really > have to be careful where the routing is done, to ensure that critical > components are not compromised. > > I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none). > > > > Bill C. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345111#345111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet in AVweb's POTW contest From: "Bill Church" For the third time in about a month, AVweb's Picture of the Week contest features a Pietenpol. And two of those three photos are of Ben Charvet's Piet. Here's a link to the large version of the photo: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/1726/large/11.jpg Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345287#345287 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats From: Mark Roberts I am enjoying the process and building a plane at the same time... On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Are you sure you're building an airplane, and not just infatuated with > jigs? > > do not archive > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> I nought a small DeWalt trimmer router that looks easier to maneuver on >> the sticks, and I am gonna make another jig >> > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together From: dog67@aol.com I'm there Dan :) SHould be fun. Yeah... last year the wx god's didn't cooperate very much. I'm much more h opeful this year :) CHeers Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:39 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Jon, I'd love a picture of N8031 in flight, if you can slow down enough! Hopefully, the weather will cooperate more this year and you can stick around longer. Look me up whenever you get to Brodhead - N8031 is the mostly yellow and dark blue Piet. Thanks! Dan do not archive On 07/06/2011 10:17 PM, dog67@aol.com wrote: > COunt me in - but only if I can chip in. > BTW - I am bringing my lilttle yellow Glastar to Brodhead, on the way to > Osh, and was hoping to take the doors off and do some air-to-air > photography of Piet's in flight. If anyone would like a pic of their > bird, I'd like the practice. > Thanks > jon apfelbaum > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Yocum > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:52 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum> > > Jack, > > I'll only take you up on your offer if I can give you a ride in my Piet. > > See you there! > Dan > > On 07/06/2011 07:40 PM, Jack wrote: >> Susan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there >> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking abou t >> havingbratsand hamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to 12:00. Anytakersplease >> let me know. We will have ourmotor homeparked in the SW 40.It=99s a green >> and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like tohave friends join us in >> Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. >> Can=99t wait! >> >> Jack >> >> DSM >> >> * >> >> >> * > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov ,http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Taylorcraft fly-in From: "Don Emch" Hey Skip... I plan to be there early Saturday morning. I was going to take the Chief, but since it isn't quite finished in the interior and looks a little funny I'll probably take the Piet. See you then! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345324#345324 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "K5YAC" Jack, please count Theresa and I in as well... and I'll see you at Oshkosh for that drink too. Ha! This is going to be awesome! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345337#345337 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! From: "aerocarjake" Hello list, I found a 1938 "Karl Ort" catalog in an antique store two weeks ago and then bought this 1935 version on eBay. I had never heard of Karl Ort but this is an AMAZING reference for the kind of pilot and airplane supplies that were available in the mid 1930's. OK, so I know the Piet was designed in 1928 and generally considered a 1929 design, but this is as close as I could find to a vintage parts catalog...! The 1938 catalog has lots more jewelry and novelties (clocks, desk radios with an art deco look, etc..) than this 1935 version, which is loaded airplane construction parts and materials (instruments, plywood, tubing, dope, etc...) most of which no longer are listed in the 1938 version - interesting evolution. WARNING: The attachment is 6MB - but be it known that the original scan was over 80MB before I compressed it. So it is not quite as easy to read in the compressed version, sorry...... Enjoy......... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345341#345341 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! From: "aerocarjake" part B -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345344#345344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1935_karl_ort_compressed_part_b_203.pdf ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! From: "Piet2112" Thanks for sharing some great history! Curtis Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345346#345346 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! From: "Bill Church" Wow, that's pretty neat. Very interesting how much they had to offer. I guess a lot of it was probably war surplus. Good deals on instruments (Zenith Height gauge, Johnson Airspeed Indicator, etc) and hardware (turnbuckles, shackles, etc.) and Sitka Spruce! An 18 foot long spar (1" x 5") for the tidy sum of $5.25! Thanks for sharing. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345357#345357 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together From: helspersew@aol.com Wow Jack, You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at this shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar : O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long time ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:38 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! Chin up, Sport! My plans are dated "1937"! Thanks, Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! Hello list, I found a 1938 "Karl Ort" catalog in an antique store two weeks ago and then bought this 1935 version on eBay. I had never heard of Karl Ort but this is an AMAZING reference for the kind of pilot and airplane supplies that were available in the mid 1930's. OK, so I know the Piet was designed in 1928 and generally considered a 1929 design, but this is as close as I could find to a vintage parts catalog...! The 1938 catalog has lots more jewelry and novelties (clocks, desk radios with an art deco look, etc..) than this 1935 version, which is loaded airplane construction parts and materials (instruments, plywood, tubing, dope, etc...) most of which no longer are listed in the 1938 version - interesting evolution. WARNING: The attachment is 6MB - but be it known that the original scan was over 80MB before I compressed it. So it is not quite as easy to read in the compressed version, sorry...... Enjoy......... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345341#345341 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! From: helspersew@aol.com Jake, Wow that is cool. I especially like the "Elgin" gauges. I didn't realize th ey had made any aircraft gauges. I lived in Elgin, IL., home of the famous Elgin National Watch Company, for 17 years. I searched high and low for a vintage Elgin aircraft clock. Found one on Ebay, and it is in my Piet, stil l proudly ticking away. Thanks for sharing this. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: aerocarjake Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! part B -------- ake Schultz - curator, ewport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345344#345344 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1935_karl_ort_compressed_part_b_203.pdf -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "Piep" Jack, What a great offer! Jan and I will be there. We will have a car there, so let us know if we can get any supplies. Charlie and Jan McFarland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345372#345372 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:05 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats Mark=2C As you know=2C we routed our frame work other than the bottom longeron and the uprights that carry the control shaft=2C which we left to plan. The th ing is we did it before assembly. That allowed us to do it on a table shap er- router. Much easier to manage. I admit the weight savings is not grea t but neither is the loss of strength. We have been told over and over tha t the plane is overbuilt. The folks on this forum are very nice and in spite of kidding you a bit are here to help you. We have learned a lot from the site and those on it. T hank you all. Vic 414MV Putting on fabric. do not archive Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Routed Fuse slats From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com Thanks guys... I do think you are correct. THe weight savings is minimal and the risk of s crewing up something is too great. I have already started on the inside of the left side. I thing I will just do the same on the right and call it eve n. Thanks for the advice! And=2C thank to the group for being friendly enough to ask a question MOST would think rather stupid=2C as the real answer woul d be "Build it to plans=2C dummy!" This is a great bunch to share ideas with=2C and I appreciate the respect o ffered to answer even stupid questions! Mark On Wed=2C Jul 6=2C 2011 at 8:32 AM=2C Ken Bickers w rote: I routed my spars=2C which -- after quite a bit of head scratching to figure out a way to jig everything in place -- turned out to be comparatively simple. I took a bunch of pictures=2C which I can share=2C if that would be useful. I didn't try to route the fuselage pieces. I think the weight savings would be hard to justify=2C relative to the risk of screwing something up. Besides routers produce a lot of torque. If you raise the tail of the fuselage with the router spinning=2C you'll be dealing with p-factor=2C too. If you aren't quick with your feet=2C you might find yourself off the side of your shop. Ken On Wed=2C Jul 6=2C 2011 at 8:39 AM=2C Bill Church wrote: ca> > > Sorry=2C I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that m any builders have routed their fuselage members=2C so there likely won't be a lot of feedback to your question. > > I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander of f of center). One small slip=2C and you're into re-building=2C rather than building. I'm not convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey=2C there's a pu n) the risks. > I imagine that the weight savings are minimal=2C and the actual doing of the work sounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse assembled ). Additionally=2C routing WILL weaken the structure=2C so you really have to be careful where the routing is done=2C to ensure that critical componen ts are not compromised. > I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none). > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345111#345111 > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:45 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need for side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May the weather gods be with us for Brodhead and Oshkosh! Safe travels to all! Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks. All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather! Keep the replies coming in. Jack and Susan DSM Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too! _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can't wait! Jack DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:55 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Gunna need a bigger motor home. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need for side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May the weather gods be with us for Brodhead and Oshkosh! Safe travels to all! Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks. All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather! Keep the replies coming in. Jack and Susan DSM Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too! _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can't wait! Jack DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together I know many but I don't know all name tags? John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 23:12:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Wow Jack, You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at this shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar :O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long time ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:43 PM PST US From: Tom Travis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn LinkedIn ------------ I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Tom Tom Travis Independent Aviation & Aerospace Professional Sherman/Denison, Texas Area Confirm that you know Tom Travis https://www.linkedin.com/e/-wv0hti-gpuh1wmj-5d/isd/3468049304/PfCSJXwD/ -- (c) 2011, LinkedIn Corporation ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together From: Ryan Mueller Shirts are encouraged too....Gardiner.... ;-) I dunno...last year's weather was fun: http://www.youtube.com/user/rmpanzer23#p/u/7/OayCWX5REXg Thanks Gene. Which reminds me....if anyone needs to have precious, irreplaceable family memories forever wiped from their camera cards, make sure to look me up. Can also remove photos of GN-1's, or the remnants of your memories of the long night you had after too much boiled fish and scotch. :-) On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jack wrote: > ** ** ** ** ** > > Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already > taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need for > side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to > help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May t he > weather gods be with us for Brodhead and ****Oshkosh****!**** > > Safe travels to all!**** > > Jack**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM > > *To:* **pietenpol-list@matronics.com** > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together **** > > ** ** > > Looks like it=92s a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you=92re on Dan, th anks. > All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will > handle the rest. Let=92s hope for CALM weather!**** > > Keep the replies coming in=85**** > > Jack and Susan**** > > DSM**** > > Tom W=85I copied you, hope you can make it too!**** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM > *To:* **pietenpol-list@matronics.com** > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together **** > > ** ** > > Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there > Thursday evening and depart Saturday for ****Oshkosh****. We were > thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. > Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the > SW 40. It=92s a green and white 37 foot **Itasca**. We would also like to > have friends join us in **Oshkosh** (****Camp** **Scholler****) for > cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can=92t wait!**** > > Jack**** > > DSM**** > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:35 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Doc Mosher will have name tags for all, as soon as you register. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together I know many but I don't know all name tags? John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 23:12:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Wow Jack, You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at this shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar :O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long time ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN &~2=03 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:39 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Just thinking about marginal late arrivals having to make the choice of docs line or Jacks motor home. Would be nice to have the option of choice jacks and on time or docs and missing jacks John Just looking at options Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 01:54:45 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Doc Mosher will have name tags for all, as soon as you register. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together I know many but I don't know all name tags? John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 23:12:14 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together Wow Jack, You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at this shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar :O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long time ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN &~2 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "PatrickW" Mary & I will be there. Looking forward to it. 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Although we will grease you up if need be..after some scotch...and glorious Muenster curds from Decatur Dairy.... please do not archive On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:17 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote : > Just thinking about marginal late arrivals having to make the choice of > docs line or Jacks motor home. Would be nice to have the option of choice > jacks and on time or docs and missing jacks > > John > > Just looking at options > > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -----Original message----- > > *From: *Jack Phillips * > To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > * > Sent: *Fri, Jul 8, 2011 01:54:45 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together > > ** ** ** > > Doc Mosher will have name tags for all, as soon as you register.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > Amsafetyc@gmail.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:30 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together**** > > ** ** > > I know many but I don't know all name tags? > > John > > Do not archive > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless***** > > > -----Original message-----**** > > *From: *helspersew@aol.com* > To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com* > Sent: *Thu, Jul 7, 2011 23:12:14 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together**** > > Wow Jack,**** > > **** > > You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at thi s > shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar > :O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long t ime > ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone.**** > > **** > > Dan Helsper**** > > ****Puryear**, **TN******** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > &~2 > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead get-together From: Ryan Mueller Oi0wCgpCcmF2by4uLi4KCmRvIG5vdCBhcmNoaXZlCgpPbiBUaHUsIEp1bCA3LCAyMDExIGF0IDEw OjAxIFBNLCBHZW5lIFJhbWJvIDxnZW5lcmFtYm9AbXNuLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+ICBCdXQsIHRo ZSBwZWxsZXQgd2l0aCB0aGUgcG9pc29uJ3MgaW4gdGhlIHZlc3NlbCB3aXRoIHRoZSBwZXN0bGU7 IHRoZQo+IGNoYWxpY2UgZnJvbSB0aGUgcGFsYWNlIGhhcyB0aGUgYnJldyB0aGF0IGlzIHRydWUg LiAuIC4KPgo+ICAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KPiBGcm9tOiBhbXNhZmV0 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Here's a shot that appeared on the RV List. I'd like to see something similar with Pietenpols, but it would probably have to be a Jenny or a Sopwith Camel, rather than a P-51 Mustang Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... From: Ryan Mueller Yeah, a Mustang won't hang....it brought to mind this vid...pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PnKUEFX8g On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > Here's a shot that appeared on the RV List. I'd like to see something > similar with Pietenpols, but it would probably have to be a Jenny or a > Sopwith Camel, rather than a P-51 Mustang > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:06 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Hi Jack, Arlene and I would=C2- like to come as well. Can we bring something; i.e. need beer or brats? Jim B. ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "dgaldrich" In the spirit of "piling on" Sue and I will be there. Just make sure there's no lutefisk. This IS Wisconsin, you know, and someone might try to sneak some in. Dave and Sue Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345407#345407 ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: Ryan Mueller Sorry, eating the lye fish is sort of a rite........live it, love it. And after that...the braunschweiger.....I look forward to when you beg for some cheese...and they give you Limburger....... ;-) do not archive On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:51 PM, dgaldrich wrote: > dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> > > In the spirit of "piling on" Sue and I will be there. Just make sure > there's no lutefisk. This IS Wisconsin, you know, and someone might try to > sneak some in. > > Dave and Sue Aldrich > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345407#345407 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.