---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/09/11: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 AM - Brodhead wish list... (tools) 2. 04:04 AM - Fw: Amazing 3D printer (Charles Campbell) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 4. 04:48 AM - Lucky Stiffs (Lawrence Williams) 5. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... (Jack Phillips) 6. 05:33 AM - propeller (bender) 7. 05:34 AM - Re: Brodhead wish list... (Jack Phillips) 8. 05:44 AM - Best way to cut metal fittings? (bubbleboy) 9. 05:49 AM - Re: propeller (Jack Phillips) 10. 06:04 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Jack Phillips) 11. 06:08 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Richard Schreiber) 12. 06:11 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (airlion) 13. 06:27 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Gboothe5) 14. 06:31 AM - Re: propeller (Gboothe5) 15. 06:57 AM - Re: Lucky Stiffs (Charles Campbell) 16. 07:03 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Charles Campbell) 17. 07:19 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (norm) 18. 08:00 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (jeff wilson) 19. 08:36 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Jim Markle) 20. 09:38 AM - Re: propeller (helspersew@aol.com) 21. 10:00 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Richard Schreiber) 22. 10:28 AM - Pilot's seat height question (Bill Church) 23. 10:32 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Gary Boothe) 24. 10:47 AM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Gary Boothe) 25. 10:49 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Rick Holland) 26. 10:51 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Greg Cardinal) 27. 11:13 AM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (IT Girl) 28. 11:13 AM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Jack Phillips) 29. 11:17 AM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Jim Markle) 30. 01:07 PM - cracked fenders (Oscar Zuniga) 31. 01:15 PM - Re: cracked fenders (Isablcorky@aol.com) 32. 02:39 PM - cuting metal fittings (helspersew@aol.com) 33. 02:50 PM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Bill Church) 34. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Pilot's seat height question (Gary Boothe) 35. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Pilot's seat height question (norm) 36. 05:01 PM - C-85 on eBay (Jack) 37. 05:33 PM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (dwilson) 38. 06:53 PM - Model Piet (Owen Davies) 39. 08:05 PM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (jarheadpilot82) 40. 08:46 PM - Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 41. 08:59 PM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Bill Church) 42. 09:52 PM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (ldmill) 43. 11:42 PM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (bubbleboy) 44. 11:48 PM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (tdudley@umn.edu) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list... From: "tools" Hey folks, I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I started researching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters, got lots of BPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for all the metal parts... but life and not as well equipped shop as I would hope to build a plane, all got in the way. Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped, and I set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have most the parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little overboard. Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and Oshkosh this year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will likely have a bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs. Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially started! Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two together. He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty station and will be cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things together. So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you have spare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for scraps of 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be that I need about 2000 of them! So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a GREAT help. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building. Specifically wing rib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may need surplus and want to get your money back without shipping and all... give me a call. Pieces of 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs that I can use to start the fabrication process. Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to barter Scotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along! We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on soon. I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled industrial motors for old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders myself, etc. I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN. Cheers, Mike "Tools" Danford 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345543#345543 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:20 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Amazing 3D printer Can you imagine what a bunch of Piet builders could do with this thing? Wonder what FAA reg this would come under? ----- Original Message ----- From: GARY PETESCH Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:35 AM Subject: Amazing 3D printer Wow - what would the Chinese do with this!! GARY Just when you think you've seen it all, along comes this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw Just THINK of the myriad of applications!!!! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:49 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Jack, Thanks, Cinda and I will be there in the motor home and will be happy to join you Friday for lunch. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Sent: 7/6/2011 8:44:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Cant wait! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:14 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lucky Stiffs If you bought a radio to put in your Pietenpol you deserve to miss Brodhead. Next thing you know people will be adding dihedral, making wing cut-outs, putting in doors, installing trim systems, changing airfoils and all sorts of tom-foolery. It's early Saturday morning and my skivvies are already in a wad because of Steinmetz!! No more talk about ridiculous add-ons for Air Campers!! My week-end is RUINED!! Larry W. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:07 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... That's absolutely true. Wherever I go with my Pietenpol, it draws a crowd. My RV-4 doesn't even raise an eyebrow unless I fly the approach inverted. Now Pieti Lowell is even going to ruin that for me by doing the same thing with his Piet. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... At my latest $100 hamburger an RV'er was talking with me. He really liked the Piet. He said, "We're starting to call RVs ramp fleas. There are so many no one even gives them a glance." do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345516#345516 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller From: "bender" got started on my prop for the A this week... i copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit its ash... and 76 inches long bandsawing that big block of ash was tough thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get the chainsaw out jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345554#345554 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop1_474.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_996.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:53 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list... Great to have you finally building, Mike. I think you'll find that building two airplanes simultaneously will be a very good thing. My suggestion is, always build the parts for your friend's airplane first. You can say your just doing him a favor, so he can be the first to fly. Invariably my second or third attempt at making a part came out better than my first. Seriously, I think I built about 1-1/2 Pietenpols as I built mine, so building two wouldn't add that much in time or cost. As for scraps, I suspect that most Piet builders are like me and saved most of the big scraps for future use, either in making repairs to their airplane or other projects. I wouldn't really want to part with any of it. The materials are really a fairly small portion of the total cost of the airplane, probably less than a third overall. Are you building a wooden fuselage or the steel tube version? Looking forward to meeting you at Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list... Hey folks, I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I started researching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters, got lots of BPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for all the metal parts... but life and not as well equipped shop as I would hope to build a plane, all got in the way. Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped, and I set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have most the parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little overboard. Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and Oshkosh this year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will likely have a bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs. Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially started! Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two together. He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty station and will be cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things together. So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you have spare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for scraps of 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be that I need about 2000 of them! So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a GREAT help. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building. Specifically wing rib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may need surplus and want to get your money back without shipping and all... give me a call. Pieces of 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs that I can use to start the fabrication process. Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to barter Scotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along! We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on soon. I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled industrial motors for old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders myself, etc. I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN. Cheers, Mike "Tools" Danford 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345543#345543 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: "bubbleboy" I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: propeller Looks nice, Jeff. Just using the blank you've cut as is should give about the same performance as a certificated Sensenich. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller got started on my prop for the A this week... i copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit its ash... and 76 inches long bandsawing that big block of ash was tough thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get the chainsaw out jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345554#345554 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop1_474.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_996.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:43 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I found a small metal cutting bandsaw and a belt sander with a sanding disc to be very useful in making all the fittings. The bandsaw needs to be SLOW. 4130 should be cut with a saw speed of only 80 feet per minute, or a little over 1 inch per second. Anything faster and the work will remove more material from the sawblade than the saw will from the work. Grizzly Tools sells a nice pipe-cutting bandsaw that can be stood up to make a small vertical saw for about $200. I don't know if they have something equivalent in Australia, but if they do it is a worthwhile investment. Get the finest teeth blade you can find - I think I used a 32 teeth per inch blade. I used it for all the steel fittings as well as cutting all the tubing (and there is a lot of that on a Pietenpol). Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:31 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Scotty: Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort. What I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel. It worked great. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:27 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your vise and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades are sharp. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: bubbleboy Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:29 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Scotty, The only band saw I have is my dad's old Craftsman. I takes an 80" blade, which can be purchased as metal or wood blades. I have never messed around with the speed and have completed all fittings and wood work, though I did break 3 metal blades in the process. Best of luck! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:21 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: propeller That's a beautiful start, and a most enjoyable project! Myself....I would never be able to function in such a shop though....probably wander around for hours, coffee cup in hand, not be able to decide where to build the thing... Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller got started on my prop for the A this week... i copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit its ash... and 76 inches long bandsawing that big block of ash was tough thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get the chainsaw out jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345554#345554 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop1_474.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_996.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:52 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lucky Stiffs Larry, you surely don't want to see my project. It will NOT have big wire wheels, it has a modified airfoil, it will have a wing (center section) cutout, It will be powered by a Corvair "crank-snapper",and it will not be covered with cotton cloth tightened with dope. Look at a picture of Hans van der Voort's Miss (whatever -- I have forgotten her name) and, except for color, you will, I hope, pretty much see mine when it is finished. Chuck C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lucky Stiffs If you bought a radio to put in your Pietenpol you deserve to miss Brodhead. Next thing you know people will be adding dihedral, making wing cut-outs, putting in doors, installing trim systems, changing airfoils and all sorts of tom-foolery. It's early Saturday morning and my skivvies are already in a wad because of Steinmetz!! No more talk about ridiculous add-ons for Air Campers!! My week-end is RUINED!! Larry W. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:33 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? "sheaves on the drive motor and the bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel" What are sheaves? I have borrowed my son-in-law's wood cutting bandsaw, but it runs too fast for steel. How can I modify it without ruining it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schreiber" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:06 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > > Scotty: > Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the > plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the > parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort. > What > I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal > cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the > bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting > steel. > It worked great. > > Rick Schreiber > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:31 AM PST US From: norm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Chuck, didn't you ever sing the song in church,bringing in the sheaves/--- -- =0Anorm=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Charl es Campbell =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sat, July 9, 2011 10:01:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best les Campbell" =0A=0A=0A"sheaves on the drive mot or and the=0Abandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for c utting steel"=0A=0AWhat are sheaves?- I have borrowed my son-in-law's woo d cutting bandsaw, but it =0Aruns too fast for steel.- How can I modify i t without ruining it?=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schr eiber" =0ATo: =0ASent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:06 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to rd Schreiber" =0A>=0A> =0A> Scotty:=0A> Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the=0A> plane you ar e working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the=0A> parts ou t, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort. What=0A> I d id is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal=0A> cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the=0A> b andsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel. =0A> It worked great.=0A> =0A> Rick Schreiber=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:22 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I use a simple had held jig saw on 4130 as thick as .095.- Take it easy d on't rush the blade and it will wear out before it breaks.- Also try to c lamp the metal down to your wood work table as close to the cut as possible to reduce vibration. The wood also helps reduce vibration.- Finish corne r radius's with your bench grinder.- Don't forget the safety goggles. - Jeff Wilson St. Louis, MO N899WT --- On Sat, 7/9/11, bubbleboy wrote: From: bubbleboy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? m> I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about d oing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and g et by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a ba nd saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them rea dy made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:06 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Totally agree with this idea Gardiner. I wrestled with all this metal cutting stuff for a while, even tried clamping material and using a hack saw...no... Finally bought a cheap Harbor Freight (I may have actually bought mine at Northern Tool, this model is very common with different brand labels but the same cheap product) metal cutting band saw. One of the best $160 I ever spent. Have used it many many times and easily got my money's worth. Didn't actually cost that much more than a good quality saber saw. A bit more of an initial investment but this is a tool that will never collect dust! See attached. Jim....back home after watching storms close down the Denver airport last night.....until midnight. Well, as long as that doesn't happen next Friday morning when I get to GO TO BRODHEAD!!! -----Original Message----- >From: airlion >Sent: Jul 9, 2011 7:08 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > >hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your vise >and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades are >sharp. Gardiner > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: bubbleboy >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > >I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing >it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with >a hacksaw and grinder usually. > > >Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band >saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. > >I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready >made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. > >Scotty > >-------- >Scotty > >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: propeller From: helspersew@aol.com Yes, handling that huge block through the bandsaw was very difficult. Next time (when I make my 4-bladed job) I'll hack off most of it by some other m eans before shaving off the last of it with the bandsaw. I loved working wi th that ash,- very good prop wood I think. Can't wait to see it Jeff. Pleas e bring fotos to Brod if you can. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 7:34 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller > got started on my prop for the A this week... copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit ts ash... and 76 inches long andsawing that big block of ash was tough thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get the hainsaw out jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345554#345554 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop1_474.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_996.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:02 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Sheaves are sometimes called pulleys (incorrectly). Use the smallest one you can get on the drive motor and the largest one, that will fit, on the bandsaw. Rick Schreiber. > [Original Message] > From: Charles Campbell > To: > Date: 7/9/2011 9:04:45 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > Shea > > "sheaves on the drive motor and the > bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel" > > What are sheaves? I have borrowed my son-in-law's wood cutting bandsaw, > but it runs too fast for steel. How can I modify it without ruining it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Schreiber" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:06 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > > > > > > > Scotty: > > Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the > > plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the > > parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort. > > What > > I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal > > cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the > > bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting > > steel. > > It worked great. > > > > Rick Schreiber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question From: "Bill Church" Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little difficult to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is determining the correct height of the back edge of the seat. I think this question was raised not too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use the seat back to determine the proper location. But it just doesn't seem right. Attached are a few clips from the plans to make things more clear. One clip shows the side view of the fuselage construction, with a dimension of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons. The second clip shows the seat back to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions, the bottom of the rear seat back would sit only slightly more than one inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron, or, practically touching the top of the longeron, since the longeron is one inch tall. The third clip shows the seat assembly (from drawing No.4), and, if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the rear seat back appears to be about an inch and a quarter above the TOP of the longeron. When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just scaled drawing No. 4. So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit just above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345598#345598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_dim_400.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seat_back_dim_621.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/full_assembly_202.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? That looks just like the metal band saw I'm missing.... do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jim Markle Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Totally agree with this idea Gardiner. I wrestled with all this metal cutting stuff for a while, even tried clamping material and using a hack saw...no... Finally bought a cheap Harbor Freight (I may have actually bought mine at Northern Tool, this model is very common with different brand labels but the same cheap product) metal cutting band saw. One of the best $160 I ever spent. Have used it many many times and easily got my money's worth. Didn't actually cost that much more than a good quality saber saw. A bit more of an initial investment but this is a tool that will never collect dust! See attached. Jim....back home after watching storms close down the Denver airport last night.....until midnight. Well, as long as that doesn't happen next Friday morning when I get to GO TO BRODHEAD!!! -----Original Message----- >From: airlion >Sent: Jul 9, 2011 7:08 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > >hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your >vise >and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades >are >sharp. Gardiner > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: bubbleboy >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > > >I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about >doing >it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by >with >a hacksaw and grinder usually. > > >Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a >band >saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. > >I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them >ready >made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. > >Scotty > >-------- >Scotty > >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:40 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question The 22 1/16" looks good. My seat back is 20"....but, hey,...just follow the plans...:-0 Gary -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little difficult to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is determining the correct height of the back edge of the seat. I think this question was raised not too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use the seat back to determine the proper location. But it just doesn't seem right. Attached are a few clips from the plans to make things more clear. One clip shows the side view of the fuselage construction, with a dimension of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons. The second clip shows the seat back to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions, the bottom of the rear seat back would sit only slightly more than one inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron, or, practically touching the top of the longeron, since the longeron is one inch tall. The third clip shows the seat assembly (from drawing No.4), and, if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the rear seat back appears to be about an inch and a qua! rter above the TOP of the longeron. When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just scaled drawing No. 4. So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit just above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345598#345598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_dim_400.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seat_back_dim_621.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/full_assembly_202.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: Rick Holland A $40 die grinder using 1/8" cutting disks is all I needed for all my cuts. A band saw would be nice though. rick On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:42 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> > > I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about > doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and > get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. > > Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a > band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. > > I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them > ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld > etc. > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:47 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Metal cutting tools to make your life easier: 1. Portable, variable speed bandsaw 2. 4 1/2" angle grinder with .040 cutoff disks 3. 6 X 48 belt sander 4. Hacksaw 5. Good selection of files 6. 8" bench grinder 7. Scotchbrite wheel for the grinder for polishing metal edges PRIOR to bending Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > > I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about > doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and > get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. > > Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a > band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. > > I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them > ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld > etc. > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "IT Girl" kevinpurtee wrote: > Thanks, Jack. See you there. He meant to say "there will be 3 of us" Let us know if we can help. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345605#345605 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question I agree with Gary. Build your fuselage, install the control system, then build the seat making sure it clears the controls. The actual length may vary from the 21" that Orin Hoopman figured. Looking at mine, it looks like I've got at least an inch above the top of the lower longeron: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question The 22 1/16" looks good. My seat back is 20"....but, hey,...just follow the plans...:-0 Gary -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little difficult to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is determining the correct height of the back edge of the seat. I think this question was raised not too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use the seat back to determine the proper location. But it just doesn't seem right. Attached are a few clips from the plans to make things more clear. One clip shows the side view of the fuselage construction, with a dimension of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons. The second clip shows the seat back to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions, the bottom of the rear seat back would sit only slightly more than one inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron, or, practically touching the top of the longeron, since the longeron is one inch tall. The third clip shows the seat assembly (from drawing No.4), and, if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the rear seat back appears to be about an inch and a qua! rter above the TOP of the longeron. When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just scaled drawing No. 4. So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit just above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345598#345598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_dim_400.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seat_back_dim_621.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/full_assembly_202.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:16 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? Call the TSA...they wouldn't let me board with it.... :-) -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Jul 9, 2011 11:30 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > >That looks just like the metal band saw I'm missing.... > >do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle >Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:33 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? > >Totally agree with this idea Gardiner. > >I wrestled with all this metal cutting stuff for a while, even tried >clamping material and using a hack saw...no... > >Finally bought a cheap Harbor Freight (I may have actually bought mine at >Northern Tool, this model is very common with different brand labels but the >same cheap product) metal cutting band saw. One of the best $160 I ever >spent. Have used it many many times and easily got my money's worth. >Didn't actually cost that much more than a good quality saber saw. > >A bit more of an initial investment but this is a tool that will never >collect dust! > >See attached. > >Jim....back home after watching storms close down the Denver airport last >night.....until midnight. Well, as long as that doesn't happen next Friday >morning when I get to GO TO BRODHEAD!!! > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: airlion >>Sent: Jul 9, 2011 7:08 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? >> >> >>hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your >>vise >>and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades >>are >>sharp. Gardiner >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: bubbleboy >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? >> >> >> >>I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about >>doing >>it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by >>with >>a hacksaw and grinder usually. >> >> >>Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a >>band >>saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. >> >>I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them >>ready >>made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. >> >>Scotty >> >>-------- >>Scotty >> >>Tamworth, Australia >>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper >> >>www.scottyspietenpol.com >> >>Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:33 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: cracked fenders >Does anyone remember when car fenders cracked from vibration/rough roads? >We had an old '29 A model and it had cracked fenders on the front. We had >a torch to weld with but Daddy waited until the cracks were 3 or 4" long >before he fixed them. Sounds like the mounting tabs on my cooling eyebrows... I should be carrying a couple of spares along with some pop rivets and a rivet puller, the way it goes through those things. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:10 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cracked fenders In a message dated 7/9/2011 3:08:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga >Does anyone remember when car fenders cracked from vibration/rough roads? >We had an old '29 A model and it had cracked fenders on the front. We had >a torch to weld with but Daddy waited until the cracks were 3 or 4" long >before he fixed them. Sounds like the mounting tabs on my cooling eyebrows... I should be carrying a couple of spares along with some pop rivets and a rivet puller, the way it goes through those things. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net I should have made them out of 4130 CMC ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cuting metal fittings From: helspersew@aol.com I bought one of those saws like Jim Markle also. Mine was a Delta. Just tip up to the vertical position. I fabricated a beefier "table" than the one t hey had. Once that was done the saw worked very well. Only downside to thes e types is the throat depth is fairly small. But somehow I managed to work around this. You can do most sawing operations sitting down on the "horse" part of the saw. Kind of nice during a long work day. Dan Helsper Puryear TN 10 days till I leave for PG, then on to Brodhead!! ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question From: "Bill Church" Thanks, gents. I'm going with the assumption that the 21" dimension is a mistake (which is what I thought in the first place, but thought I'd ask anyway). Apparently that is the only error in the whole set of plans, so that's pretty good. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345630#345630 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question Bill, I'm not so sure that maybe the intent was to allow 1" of that seatback to stick up for an attachment of the turtledeck. I chose to do differently, though. I'll give BP the benefit... GB -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question Thanks, gents. I'm going with the assumption that the 21" dimension is a mistake (which is what I thought in the first place, but thought I'd ask anyway). Apparently that is the only error in the whole set of plans, so that's pretty good. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345630#345630 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:39 PM PST US From: norm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question I just checked mine ,-and I think what we're not taking into account is t he =0Aangle of the seat back --- maybe?- norm=0A-------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bill Church =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 9, 2011 5:47:27 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question ico.ca>=0A=0AThanks, gents.=0AI'm going with the assumption that the 21" di mension is a mistake (which is what =0AI thought in the first place, but th ought I'd ask anyway). Apparently that is =0Athe only error in the whole se t of plans, so that's pretty good.- :)=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead th is topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34 == ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:33 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-85 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220810979400&s sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: "dwilson" I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of metal in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got by without one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the blade stays sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24 inches long. You can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show and save some money. I like this tool ! Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345661#345661 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/metal_shear_671.jpg ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:36 PM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model Piet I just happened across a set of free plans for a rubber band-powered Piet with a 28-inch wingspan. It is at http://smallflyingarts.com/free-plans/, about a third of the way down the page. (Probably everyone knows about them already.) Owen ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer From: "jarheadpilot82" I do not see a link to know what you are talking about. Do not archive. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345697#345697 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question From: "Bill Church" To Gary: I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't look like that in the drawings. To Norm: The angle will result in a slightly larger dimension than the vertical dimension, but not enough to account for a whole inch. I think it's just a small error. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345705#345705 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer From: "ldmill" Hi Chuck, We've got a 3-D printer at work and it is bloody awesome! It's used as a prototyping tool to make sure that form, fit and aestheticss all look okay. I've had lots of thoughts about what we could do with it as well. It's basically a printer that blows dust and glue together. Afterwards with coat the assembly and paint it for durability. Pretty tough material when you are done with it. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345712#345712 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: "bubbleboy" Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a cheap metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with a hacksaw. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Bill, I am at the same point in building my fuselage as yourself so I'm following the responses with interest. My take on the plans (reference your first picture from the plans) is this-- to plans the long gusset behind the diagonal strut is 2 1/4"; the seat bottom is just below this. Guessing to scale, I would say the seat bottom would be at 1 3/4" from the bottom of the longeron itself (not the long bottom gusset glued there!). Jack's picture shows his seat above the gusset; his plane is done and flies and shows that "to plans" here probably doesn't matter. I cut my cardboard template to plans and it was too long as you've already stated. I think I will cut my seat back to 1 3/4" from the bottom of the longeron. I'd be interested in knowing what you end up doing. By the way, I've been following your build on mykitplane.com; I'd love it if you added more pictures at this stage of your build. Will you be at Brodhead? 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