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1. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Ben Charvet)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Jack)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (Jerry Dotson)
4. 03:58 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips)
5. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack)
6. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips)
7. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's seat height question (norm)
8. 05:35 AM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (jarheadpilot82)
9. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Gboothe5)
10. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Amazing 3D printer (Charles Campbell)
11. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Dick N)
12. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Ken Bickers)
13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Rick Holland)
14. 09:13 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church)
15. 09:26 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church)
16. 09:47 AM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Bill Church)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips)
19. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat ()
20. 11:31 AM - Re: Brodhead wish list... (tools)
21. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead wish list... (Jack Phillips)
22. 12:04 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Gboothe5)
25. 01:47 PM - Pilot's seat height question (Oscar Zuniga)
26. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (George Abernathy)
27. 04:49 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church)
28. 04:58 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church)
29. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com)
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32. 06:40 PM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (kevinpurtee)
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35. 07:22 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Amsafetyc@gmail.com)
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37. 07:43 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (ldmill)
38. 08:19 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (tools)
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
I bought this saw from Harbor Freight for around 80 bucks, and put a
metal blade in it. You can clamp the motor housing in your vise and use
it to cut your fittings pretty well. Used it for the Piet, and lots of
other projects and its still going strong.
http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Sure wishing I was going to Brodhead, maybe next year
On 7/10/2011 2:40 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bubbleboy"<scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a cheap
metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they would be!
I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep
an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with
a hacksaw.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Thanks for sharing Dan, hope they stock them at Oshkosh.
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings?
I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of
metal in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got
by without one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the
blade stays sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24
inches long. You can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show
and save some money. I like this tool !
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Amazing 3D printer |
Terry here is a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Yes. I have wood screws on 2" centers down each side of the seat bottom.
That too is overkill. Next time I'd use nutplates (wood screws don't work
well when frequently removed) and only use 4 of them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
Bill: on my plane the seat back angle floor to top of top longeron is 23" s
eat =0Aback is 19" from seating surface to top of longeron, I ran the seat
back plywood =0Aall the way to and attached it to the floor seat back is an
gled back 4 1/2"---- =0Adon't know if this helps ,, norm=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:56:51 PM
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question=0A=0A--> Piete
npol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>=0A=0ATo
Gary: I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't look like that in the
=0Adrawings.=0A=0ATo Norm:- The angle will result in a slightly larger di
mension than the vertical =0Adimension, but not enough to account for a who
le inch.=0A=0AI think it's just a small error.=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AR
ead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
====
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Subject: | Re: Amazing 3D printer |
Thanks, Jerry. Very cool, and I want one!
Do not archive.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Jack,
Here's an idea I picked up at Brodhead '09 (may have been from Tim Mickel),
but decided to use it on my own. The pilot seat is cut in 1/3'rds, gussets
glued to the bottom to support a piece of 1/16" plywood, which just lays in
there. Center piece of pilot seat is hinged. Doesn't take much time, doesn't
add hardly any weight, you can still see anything you may want to under the
seat, and a little extra storage room for peanut butter sandwich, tools,
contraband.....
Gary
Pilot Seat Bottom 001.jpg
Pilot Seat Bottom 002.jpg
Pilot Seat Bottom 003.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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Subject: | Re: Amazing 3D printer |
The original post had the following link attached. Don't know why it didn't
go out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> I do not see a link to know what you are talking about.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345697#345697
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Hey Jack
I used a few strips of velcro to hold the seat bottom down. I have my ELT
located under the seat and have to access it.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> Jack,
> Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom.
> Did
> you secure yours with screws?
> Thanks,
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it.
> Now
> the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
> to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
> make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
> know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable
> means
> more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
> For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
> think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
> but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
I started out trying to cut fittings with a Harbor Freight band saw
that had been a gift. Fortunately, the thought was what counted, as
the band saw, despite endless adjustments, never was able to hold the
saw blade in place. I threw it out.
I ended up cutting all my fittings with a 4 1/2" angle grinder, a
bench grinder, and occasionally a 10" metal cutting blade that I would
put into my table saw. Truth is, a band saw would have been nice, but
I never really felt like I couldn't do without it. Ken
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Dan, hope they stock them at Oshkosh.
> Jack
> DSM
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
> I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of
> metal in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got
> by without one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the
> blade stays sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24
> inches long. You can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show
> and save some money. I like this tool !
>
> Dan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345661#345661
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/metal_shear_671.jpg
>
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
However if you did use just a hack saw, hand saw, hand drill, sandpaper and
files to build your Piet you could be the first person probably in decades
that has built a homebuilt entirely with handtools. (Don't know how you
would do the welding without power though, guess you could do the blacksmith
thing, heat them up good and red and beat the hell out of it).
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM, bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>wrote:
> scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
>
> Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a
> cheap metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they
> would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now
> so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward
> to cutting with a hacksaw.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't want
to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to remove
his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for comfort,
inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved seat is not
so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might not pan out.
But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the best way to go.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Oh yeah, I did make the front seat removable.
I already had the sticks glued to the bottom of the 1/4" ply, and was about to
add the legs, when I thought that I would surely need access to the rudder bar
pivot, so I ripped off the underside structure, and made the seat removable (9
screws).
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
To Tom:
I agree that this is not a super critical dimension. Too low, and it could interfere
with the controls - too high, and you stick out if the airplane too much,
but in between, I think there is quite a bit of leeway. Having learned drafting
back in the days before CAD, I know that smaller scale drawings usually cannot
be scaled accurately. While the long side gussets you refer to are supposed
to be 2 1/4", if you compare their size to the 1" longeron to which it attaches,
it appears to be closer to 3" than 2". It is for that reason that I would
defer to the larger scale detail on drawing No.4. In that detail, the space
between the top of the longeron and the bottom of the seat structure appears to
be larger than the longeron (1"). So, my guess would be somewhere around 2 1/4"
from the bottom of the longeron.
You're right - I've fallen behind on my photos on mykitplane.com. I'll try to
add some. And, yes, I will be at Brodhead. See you there?
To Norm:
My fuselage (like most, probably), is slightly different from the plans as well.
My seat back is tilted back 2 1/2", and my fuselage depth (height?) is increased
by 1". Having said that, the only relevant dimension for this discussion
is the distance between the bottom of the lower longeron and the underside of
the seat structure, since this is the amount of clear space for the controls to
pass through. As I mentioned above, I'm going to use 2 1/4" as the target. Thanks
for measuring.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
This pilot's seat just sits there by itself. Hasn't moved yet. The passenge
r seat is similar but is held down by 3 old-time brass slotted screws.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Bill,
Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean that
you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank back
there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable access
panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area.
You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the fuselage
being covered:
This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to inspect
and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to change the
batteries in the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't
want to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to
remove his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the
seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for
comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved
seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might
not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the
best way to go.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Looks good Jack I hope you dont do what I did with my Iron on the
concrete floor I put down my hot iron to do something and the cold
concrete floor fooled the iron in to heating up so I burned a hole just
the size of your modeling iron ( small one for none r/c people) right in
to the bottom of the fuse It=99s a real job to crawl way in the
back of a old t craft to put a patch in the fabric from the top
didn=99t like that repair so made a inspection patch on the
outside but never cut it open
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Bill,
Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean
that you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank
back there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable
access panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area.
You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the
fuselage being covered:
This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to
inspect and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to
change the batteries in the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I
don't want to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had
occasion to remove his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the
seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat
(for comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable
curved seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this
idea might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as
possible is the best way to go.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead wish list... |
Hey Jack,
I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know until
you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time...
If anyone needs any hardwood...
I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machine
shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weight
savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hope
to resolve visiting Brodhead.
I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electrical
system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better.
A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts
I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home)
a Hatz CB-1.
I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time.
I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier).
Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun!
Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love to
not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.
Mike
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Hi Tool,
While in the neighborhood, you might try McCormick Lumber in Madison, which
is only about 30 miles from Brodhead. They generally sell Sitka Spruce, and
have it much cheaper than Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks Aircraft
Supply. http://mccormicklumber.com/. You will have to select it yourself,
they don't sell "aircraft grade" spruce. Just bring a copy of AC 43.13 to
help you grade the wood.
If you can land on a carrier, you can probably land a Pietenpol, although it
wouldn't hurt to get some tailwheel training in a Cub or a Champ. Poplar
Grove Airport (C77) has a J-3 that they give instruction in, and they are
also about 30 miles from Brodhead, but in the opposite direction from
Madison.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list...
Hey Jack,
I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know
until you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but
over time... If anyone needs any hardwood...
I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my
machine shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for
the weight savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the
things I hope to resolve visiting Brodhead.
I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no
electrical system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the
better.
A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts
I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I
left home) a Hatz CB-1.
I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger
time. I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained
(Navy carrier). Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown
for fun!
Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would
love to not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours.
Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the area
behind the seat, though.
I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seat
back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area,
I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the
seat back.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Hi Bill C.
I made a belly access panel like Jack's. I made mine large enough for me to
get my upper torso inside the thing. Really comes in handy when you are tr
ying to fiddle with all those control connections.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 2:04 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like you
rs.
an't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the a
rea
ehind the seat, though.
figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the
seat
ack removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that are
a, I
hink it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the s
eat
ack.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Bill,
You mentioned a curved seat, and I'm sure you have an excellent idea about
how to do that. I did a poor job of taking pictures while visiting Robert
Caldwell, but in the attached, you can just get a glimpse of his curved
seat. In case you want more pics, here's Robert's email: caldwrl@etex.net
It looked VERY comfortable!
Gary
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like
yours. Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access
to the area behind the seat, though.
I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the
seat back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access
that area, I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than
through the seat back.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Pilot's seat height question |
Bill;
You asked about removable rear seat bottom. 41CC has a removable rear
seat and I've used it a time or two. I think it's useful to have. The
way it's done on my airplane is that the seat bottom is in several
pieces or layers. The top layer is thin plywood with the upholstery
installed on it, and it sits loose in the airplane. Beneath it is a solid, thin
plywood seat panel that is secured in place with a couple of screws.
Beneath that is the seat framing and the control cables running aft.
I can provide a few pictures if you'd like to see what it looks like.
The rear, or backrest, part of my seat is also accessible. A part of
the backrest plywood is cut out and hinges forward for access to the
antennas (ELT and VHF COMM), elevator walking beam controls, and of
course the well-renowned and vast Air Camper storage space back there <g>
I carry the airplane's papers, a small bottle of water, spare goggles
and leather helmet, and gloves in a small pouch mounted to the back
of the hinged panel. There really isn't much space back
there for more than that and the CG doesn't like stuff back there
anyway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Hey Scott,=0A=0AI decided to concentrate on the metal fittings first. They
are small and easily concealed. =0A=0A=0AI scored a doall bandsaw on ebay.
I don't think that the guy knew what it was worth. The thing weighs a ton!
literally. Came with a blade welder and I have lots of 3/16 and 1/4 blade s
tock that is supposed to cut hard stuff.- Gotta make some guides for it t
o run the thin blades . It cheerfully cuts up wood and thicker metal with t
he 1/2 inch blade it came with. =0A=0A=0ADon't buy the cheap rubbish!--
I got the doall for 900.00. It is three phase and at the moment I have a s
ingle phase motor turning it. I have seen several- band saws on ebay and
grays on line. Remember the bigger it is the better it is and the cheaper i
t is. You would be suprized what people will outright give you if you have
a big enough truck. I saw a monster of a saw 36 inch go for 400.00.=0A=0A
=0AThe other option is to get an old wood saw and change the pulleys or ins
tall a jack shaft to slow it down. =0A=0A=0AI am looking for an old welder
that will accept both 240 and 415 single phase to make a phase converter. S
o far no luck. =0A=0A=0AAs for the pain in the petunias elevator rudder and
aileron horns I have a layout done and have found a supplier in the usa in
witchita. Now if I can find a laser cutter close to the supplier there wil
l be enough blanks for 8 airplanes. Because of the peculiar shapes it neede
d a 36x72 sheet to not have a bunch of waste. I am waiting for a reply from
the latest laser guy. =0A=0A=0AI found a laser guy here in canberra to cut
the rest of the fittings if need be.-=0A=0ASo don't stress over the fitt
ings.-=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: bu
bbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way t
" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>=0A=0AThank you very much for everyones sugges
tions. I looked over here and a cheap metal band saw is around $600 which i
s a lot more than I thought they would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw
. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep an eye on it and see what it
goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with a hacksaw.=0A=0AScotty=0A
=0A--------=0AScotty=0A=0ATamworth, Australia=0ABuilding a Corvair Powered
Pietenpol Air Camper=0A=0Awww.scottyspietenpol.com=0A=0ARudder, Vert stab,
Elevators and 30 Ribs built...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Dan,
One big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, was that
I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen photos
of the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to
seeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be
bringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access panel
(among many other details) in a couple of weeks.
Bill C.
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Gary,
THAT is a great shot of the curved seat. :)
>From the little bit that's exposed in the photo, the top part looks like what
I have in mind. They say that great minds think alike, so Robert must be quite
a whiz. :)
Actually, this is an idea I've had for several years, since I built a couple of
Adirondack chairs. They are absolutely the most comfortable outdoor chairs (without
cushions) that I've ever sat in. I thought about duplicating the construction
method (using wooden slats), but decided that it would just be too heavy,
so I'm trying to duplicate the shape in plywood.
I'll see if my idea works, and if not, I may pick Robert's brain. Thanks for the
contact info.
Bill C.
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Bill,
Thank you for the kind words. I too am really looking forward to Brodhead t
his year. It will be a special year, attending the first annual Friday Lunc
h Bunch at the Textor camper, getting to meet all the Piet-list guys in per
son. Meeting face to face always makes a big difference.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 6:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
Dan,
ne big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, wa
s
hat I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen ph
otos
f the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to
eeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be
ringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access pane
l
among many other details) in a couple of weeks.
Bill C.
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took the plunge today.. a buddy came over in the afternoon to help..he's the short
hair guy.. he did pretty good work..
its strange to wield a chain saw at what needs to be a prop but it works..
kinda fun... its balanced really well so far.. i feel like its a little thick on
the ends but they both match.. maybe some more thinning before final sanding
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Wow. If you come to Brodhead make sure you talk to people who have finished their
airplanes about what you're trying to achieve.
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Yaaaaaaaaa we missed ya Bill!
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From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 23:51:30 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Dan,
One big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer,
was that I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having
seen photos of the construction process over that years, I was really
looking forward to seeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to
hear that you will be bringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out
your belly access panel (among many other details) in a couple of weeks.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? |
For what its worth grizzly made a 9 inch slower running band saw. I bought
mine used on craigslist for 200 its in brand new condition and with the bi
metal 62 inch band it cuts metal really well. That is definitely the way to
go you can cut both wood and metal with it.
John
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
<scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about
doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and
get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a
band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them
ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld
etc.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
I hugged the seat bottom, it gives an easy inspestion access and additional
storage possibly. A piece of piano hinge some wood screws and bingo bango
bongaroo and its done just like FM.
John
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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Spent some bucks got the lights hard wired, figured out the electrical on
the compressor and dropped a note at the airport managers office telling him
to take a look and let me know.
Suggested he also get toothless Tommy to get the doors properly adjusted and
fix the leaks in the roof since wooden airplanes should be kept out of the
rain during construction.
Meanwhile the guy down the row dropped off some inspiration. We laid it on
the fuse and it looked great even with the small piece of covering cloth it
was a moving event.
He just took the class and planning to recover his citabrea so I now have a
covering teacher and potential helper.
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Les Yawanna
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Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Underneath my pilot seat are two separate storage boxes with hinged lids. It's
the only place in the plane that I can store tiedowns and misc. stuff.
Lorin
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Waiex N81YX
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack and Sue,
I'm VERY new to the group and especially the forum, and this will be my first visit
to Brodhead. My girlfriend (Robin), my son (Scott) and I would love to join
you all.
My girlfriend is from Wisconsin, so I think we should contribute something local,
and propose Brandy Old Fashions for later in the day.
We'll contribute anything else you deem worthwhile upon request. Funds, son's
labor, whatever.
I'll be coming in a motorhome as well, hoping to show up very early Thurs morning.
If we can reasonably co-locate, perhaps the extra kitchen might be of use.
I also have some extra space in the coach, so beds are available for whomever might
need them.
Thanks for the invite, very much looking forward to meeting everyone!
Mike
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Well good luck.Seems like when it rains it pours,and you got hit by several
things all at once.I grew up in Tulsa and those guys don't seem to have a
good Okla aviation attitude.Everyone there always seemed very helpful.If it
weren't for the chiggers,ticks and copperheads I might go back there for my
project.Glad to hear it didn't get you down.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com <amsafetyc@aol.com>wrote:
> Spent some bucks got the lights hard wired, figured out the electrical on
> the compressor and dropped a note at the airport managers office telling him
> to take a look and let me know.
>
> Suggested he also get toothless Tommy to get the doors properly adjusted
> and fix the leaks in the roof since wooden airplanes should be kept out of
> the rain during construction.
>
> Meanwhile the guy down the row dropped off some inspiration. We laid it on
> the fuse and it looked great even with the small piece of covering cloth it
> was a moving event.
>
>
> He just took the class and planning to recover his citabrea so I now have a
> covering teacher and potential helper.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Les Yawanna
>
> *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
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