---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/10/11: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Ben Charvet) 2. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Jack) 3. 03:55 AM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (Jerry Dotson) 4. 03:58 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips) 5. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack) 6. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips) 7. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: Pilot's seat height question (norm) 8. 05:35 AM - Re: Amazing 3D printer (jarheadpilot82) 9. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Gboothe5) 10. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Amazing 3D printer (Charles Campbell) 11. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Dick N) 12. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Ken Bickers) 13. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (Rick Holland) 14. 09:13 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 15. 09:26 AM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 16. 09:47 AM - Re: Pilot's seat height question (Bill Church) 17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Jack Phillips) 19. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat () 20. 11:31 AM - Re: Brodhead wish list... (tools) 21. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead wish list... (Jack Phillips) 22. 12:04 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 23. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com) 24. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Gboothe5) 25. 01:47 PM - Pilot's seat height question (Oscar Zuniga) 26. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (George Abernathy) 27. 04:49 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 28. 04:58 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Bill Church) 29. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (helspersew@aol.com) 30. 05:08 PM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogQW5vdGhlciBxdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCB0?= =?utf-8?B?aGUgcGlsb3QncyBzZWF0? (=?utf-8?B?YXQ3MDAwZnRAZ21haWwuY29t?=) 31. 06:25 PM - Re: propeller (bender) 32. 06:40 PM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? (kevinpurtee) 33. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 34. 07:14 PM - Re: Best way to cut metal fittings=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? (amsafetyc@aol.com) 35. 07:22 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (Amsafetyc@gmail.com) 36. 07:38 PM - Hangar (amsafetyc@aol.com) 37. 07:43 PM - Re: Another question about the pilot's seat (ldmill) 38. 08:19 PM - Re: Brodhead Get-together (tools) 39. 08:51 PM - Re: Hangar (mark lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? I bought this saw from Harbor Freight for around 80 bucks, and put a metal blade in it. You can clamp the motor housing in your vise and use it to cut your fittings pretty well. Used it for the Piet, and lots of other projects and its still going strong. http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl Sure wishing I was going to Brodhead, maybe next year On 7/10/2011 2:40 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bubbleboy" > > Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a cheap metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with a hacksaw. > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:57 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? Thanks for sharing Dan, hope they stock them at Oshkosh. Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of metal in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got by without one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the blade stays sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24 inches long. You can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show and save some money. I like this tool ! Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345661#345661 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/metal_shear_671.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer From: "Jerry Dotson" Terry here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345728#345728 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection, to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:32 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Jack, Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did you secure yours with screws? Thanks, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection, to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Yes. I have wood screws on 2" centers down each side of the seat bottom. That too is overkill. Next time I'd use nutplates (wood screws don't work well when frequently removed) and only use 4 of them. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:11 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Jack, Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did you secure yours with screws? Thanks, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection, to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:28 AM PST US From: norm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question Bill: on my plane the seat back angle floor to top of top longeron is 23" s eat =0Aback is 19" from seating surface to top of longeron, I ran the seat back plywood =0Aall the way to and attached it to the floor seat back is an gled back 4 1/2"---- =0Adon't know if this helps ,, norm=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__ ______________________________=0AFrom: Bill Church =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:56:51 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question=0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0ATo Gary: I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't look like that in the =0Adrawings.=0A=0ATo Norm:- The angle will result in a slightly larger di mension than the vertical =0Adimension, but not enough to account for a who le inch.=0A=0AI think it's just a small error.=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AR ead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer From: "jarheadpilot82" Thanks, Jerry. Very cool, and I want one! Do not archive. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345737#345737 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:00 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Jack, Here's an idea I picked up at Brodhead '09 (may have been from Tim Mickel), but decided to use it on my own. The pilot seat is cut in 1/3'rds, gussets glued to the bottom to support a piece of 1/16" plywood, which just lays in there. Center piece of pilot seat is hinged. Doesn't take much time, doesn't add hardly any weight, you can still see anything you may want to under the seat, and a little extra storage room for peanut butter sandwich, tools, contraband..... Gary Pilot Seat Bottom 001.jpg Pilot Seat Bottom 002.jpg Pilot Seat Bottom 003.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:11 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Jack, Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did you secure yours with screws? Thanks, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection, to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:03 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer The original post had the following link attached. Don't know why it didn't go out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Amazing 3D printer > > > I do not see a link to know what you are talking about. > > Do not archive. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345697#345697 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:09 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Hey Jack I used a few strips of velcro to hold the seat bottom down. I have my ELT located under the seat and have to access it. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:11 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat > > Jack, > Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. > Did > you secure yours with screws? > Thanks, > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Phillips > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat > > > > No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. > Now > the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection, > to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Church > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat > > > > Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to > make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I > know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable > means > more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: > For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you > think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, > but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: Ken Bickers I started out trying to cut fittings with a Harbor Freight band saw that had been a gift. Fortunately, the thought was what counted, as the band saw, despite endless adjustments, never was able to hold the saw blade in place. I threw it out. I ended up cutting all my fittings with a 4 1/2" angle grinder, a bench grinder, and occasionally a 10" metal cutting blade that I would put into my table saw. Truth is, a band saw would have been nice, but I never really felt like I couldn't do without it. Ken On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Jack wrote: > > Thanks for sharing Dan, hope they stock them at Oshkosh. > Jack > DSM > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:31 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? > > > I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of > metal in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got > by without one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the > blade stays sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24 > inches long. You can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show > and save some money. I like this tool ! > > Dan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345661#345661 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/metal_shear_671.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? From: Rick Holland However if you did use just a hack saw, hand saw, hand drill, sandpaper and files to build your Piet you could be the first person probably in decades that has built a homebuilt entirely with handtools. (Don't know how you would do the welding without power though, guess you could do the blacksmith thing, heat them up good and red and beat the hell out of it). On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> > > Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a > cheap metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they > would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now > so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward > to cutting with a hacksaw. > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Thanks to all for the responses. While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't want to bother with it. And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to remove his seat, summed it up for me. I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the seat. I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the best way to go. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Oh yeah, I did make the front seat removable. I already had the sticks glued to the bottom of the 1/4" ply, and was about to add the legs, when I thought that I would surely need access to the rudder bar pivot, so I ripped off the underside structure, and made the seat removable (9 screws). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345768#345768 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question From: "Bill Church" To Tom: I agree that this is not a super critical dimension. Too low, and it could interfere with the controls - too high, and you stick out if the airplane too much, but in between, I think there is quite a bit of leeway. Having learned drafting back in the days before CAD, I know that smaller scale drawings usually cannot be scaled accurately. While the long side gussets you refer to are supposed to be 2 1/4", if you compare their size to the 1" longeron to which it attaches, it appears to be closer to 3" than 2". It is for that reason that I would defer to the larger scale detail on drawing No.4. In that detail, the space between the top of the longeron and the bottom of the seat structure appears to be larger than the longeron (1"). So, my guess would be somewhere around 2 1/4" from the bottom of the longeron. You're right - I've fallen behind on my photos on mykitplane.com. I'll try to add some. And, yes, I will be at Brodhead. See you there? To Norm: My fuselage (like most, probably), is slightly different from the plans as well. My seat back is tilted back 2 1/2", and my fuselage depth (height?) is increased by 1". Having said that, the only relevant dimension for this discussion is the distance between the bottom of the lower longeron and the underside of the seat structure, since this is the amount of clear space for the controls to pass through. As I mentioned above, I'm going to use 2 1/4" as the target. Thanks for measuring. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345769#345769 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: helspersew@aol.com This pilot's seat just sits there by itself. Hasn't moved yet. The passenge r seat is similar but is held down by 3 old-time brass slotted screws. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Bill, Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean that you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank back there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable access panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area. You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the fuselage being covered: This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to inspect and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to change the batteries in the ELT. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Thanks to all for the responses. While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't want to bother with it. And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to remove his seat, summed it up for me. I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the seat. I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the best way to go. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Looks good Jack I hope you dont do what I did with my Iron on the concrete floor I put down my hot iron to do something and the cold concrete floor fooled the iron in to heating up so I burned a hole just the size of your modeling iron ( small one for none r/c people) right in to the bottom of the fuse It=99s a real job to crawl way in the back of a old t craft to put a patch in the fabric from the top didn=99t like that repair so made a inspection patch on the outside but never cut it open From: Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Bill, Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean that you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank back there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable access panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area. You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the fuselage being covered: This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to inspect and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to change the batteries in the ELT. Jack Phillips NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Thanks to all for the responses. While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't want to bother with it. And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to remove his seat, summed it up for me. I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the seat. I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the best way to go. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list... From: "tools" Hey Jack, I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know until you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time... If anyone needs any hardwood... I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machine shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weight savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hope to resolve visiting Brodhead. I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electrical system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better. A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home) a Hatz CB-1. I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time. I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier). Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun! Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love to not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345781#345781 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list... Hi Tool, While in the neighborhood, you might try McCormick Lumber in Madison, which is only about 30 miles from Brodhead. They generally sell Sitka Spruce, and have it much cheaper than Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks Aircraft Supply. http://mccormicklumber.com/. You will have to select it yourself, they don't sell "aircraft grade" spruce. Just bring a copy of AC 43.13 to help you grade the wood. If you can land on a carrier, you can probably land a Pietenpol, although it wouldn't hurt to get some tailwheel training in a Cub or a Champ. Poplar Grove Airport (C77) has a J-3 that they give instruction in, and they are also about 30 miles from Brodhead, but in the opposite direction from Madison. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list... Hey Jack, I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know until you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time... If anyone needs any hardwood... I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machine shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weight savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hope to resolve visiting Brodhead. I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electrical system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better. A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home) a Hatz CB-1. I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time. I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier). Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun! Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love to not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345781#345781 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours. Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the area behind the seat, though. I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seat back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area, I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the seat back. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345785#345785 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Bill C. I made a belly access panel like Jack's. I made mine large enough for me to get my upper torso inside the thing. Really comes in handy when you are tr ying to fiddle with all those control connections. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 2:04 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat > Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like you rs. an't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the a rea ehind the seat, though. figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seat ack removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that are a, I hink it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the s eat ack. Bill C. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345785#345785 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:28 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Bill, You mentioned a curved seat, and I'm sure you have an excellent idea about how to do that. I did a poor job of taking pictures while visiting Robert Caldwell, but in the attached, you can just get a glimpse of his curved seat. In case you want more pics, here's Robert's email: caldwrl@etex.net It looked VERY comfortable! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours. Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the area behind the seat, though. I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seat back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area, I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the seat back. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345785#345785 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:17 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question Bill; You asked about removable rear seat bottom. 41CC has a removable rear seat and I've used it a time or two. I think it's useful to have. The way it's done on my airplane is that the seat bottom is in several pieces or layers. The top layer is thin plywood with the upholstery installed on it, and it sits loose in the airplane. Beneath it is a solid, thin plywood seat panel that is secured in place with a couple of screws. Beneath that is the seat framing and the control cables running aft. I can provide a few pictures if you'd like to see what it looks like. The rear, or backrest, part of my seat is also accessible. A part of the backrest plywood is cut out and hinges forward for access to the antennas (ELT and VHF COMM), elevator walking beam controls, and of course the well-renowned and vast Air Camper storage space back there I carry the airplane's papers, a small bottle of water, spare goggles and leather helmet, and gloves in a small pouch mounted to the back of the hinged panel. There really isn't much space back there for more than that and the CG doesn't like stuff back there anyway. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:01 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? Hey Scott,=0A=0AI decided to concentrate on the metal fittings first. They are small and easily concealed. =0A=0A=0AI scored a doall bandsaw on ebay. I don't think that the guy knew what it was worth. The thing weighs a ton! literally. Came with a blade welder and I have lots of 3/16 and 1/4 blade s tock that is supposed to cut hard stuff.- Gotta make some guides for it t o run the thin blades . It cheerfully cuts up wood and thicker metal with t he 1/2 inch blade it came with. =0A=0A=0ADon't buy the cheap rubbish!-- I got the doall for 900.00. It is three phase and at the moment I have a s ingle phase motor turning it. I have seen several- band saws on ebay and grays on line. Remember the bigger it is the better it is and the cheaper i t is. You would be suprized what people will outright give you if you have a big enough truck. I saw a monster of a saw 36 inch go for 400.00.=0A=0A =0AThe other option is to get an old wood saw and change the pulleys or ins tall a jack shaft to slow it down. =0A=0A=0AI am looking for an old welder that will accept both 240 and 415 single phase to make a phase converter. S o far no luck. =0A=0A=0AAs for the pain in the petunias elevator rudder and aileron horns I have a layout done and have found a supplier in the usa in witchita. Now if I can find a laser cutter close to the supplier there wil l be enough blanks for 8 airplanes. Because of the peculiar shapes it neede d a 36x72 sheet to not have a bunch of waste. I am waiting for a reply from the latest laser guy. =0A=0A=0AI found a laser guy here in canberra to cut the rest of the fittings if need be.-=0A=0ASo don't stress over the fitt ings.-=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: bu bbleboy =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way t " =0A=0AThank you very much for everyones sugges tions. I looked over here and a cheap metal band saw is around $600 which i s a lot more than I thought they would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw . There is one on Ebay right now so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with a hacksaw.=0A=0AScotty=0A =0A--------=0AScotty=0A=0ATamworth, Australia=0ABuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper=0A=0Awww.scottyspietenpol.com=0A=0ARudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718=0A=0A=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Dan, One big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, was that I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen photos of the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to seeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be bringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access panel (among many other details) in a couple of weeks. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345822#345822 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "Bill Church" Gary, THAT is a great shot of the curved seat. :) >From the little bit that's exposed in the photo, the top part looks like what I have in mind. They say that great minds think alike, so Robert must be quite a whiz. :) Actually, this is an idea I've had for several years, since I built a couple of Adirondack chairs. They are absolutely the most comfortable outdoor chairs (without cushions) that I've ever sat in. I thought about duplicating the construction method (using wooden slats), but decided that it would just be too heavy, so I'm trying to duplicate the shape in plywood. I'll see if my idea works, and if not, I may pick Robert's brain. Thanks for the contact info. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345825#345825 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: helspersew@aol.com Bill, Thank you for the kind words. I too am really looking forward to Brodhead t his year. It will be a special year, attending the first annual Friday Lunc h Bunch at the Textor camper, getting to meet all the Piet-list guys in per son. Meeting face to face always makes a big difference. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 6:50 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat > Dan, ne big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, wa s hat I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen ph otos f the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to eeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be ringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access pane l among many other details) in a couple of weeks. 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From: "kevinpurtee" Wow. If you come to Brodhead make sure you talk to people who have finished their airplanes about what you're trying to achieve. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345839#345839 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:01 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Yaaaaaaaaa we missed ya Bill! do not archive John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 23:51:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat Dan, One big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, was that I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen photos of the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to seeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be bringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access panel (among many other details) in a couple of weeks. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345822#345822 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:57 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? For what its worth grizzly made a 9 inch slower running band saw. I bought mine used on craigslist for 200 its in brand new condition and with the bi metal 62 inch band it cuts metal really well. That is definitely the way to go you can cut both wood and metal with it. John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: bubbleboy Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 12:45:15 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings? I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually. Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130. I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:02 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat I hugged the seat bottom, it gives an easy inspestion access and additional storage possibly. A piece of piano hinge some wood screws and bingo bango bongaroo and its done just like FM. John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Bill Church Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 03:50:04 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is: For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:03 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar Spent some bucks got the lights hard wired, figured out the electrical on the compressor and dropped a note at the airport managers office telling him to take a look and let me know. Suggested he also get toothless Tommy to get the doors properly adjusted and fix the leaks in the roof since wooden airplanes should be kept out of the rain during construction. Meanwhile the guy down the row dropped off some inspiration. We laid it on the fuse and it looked great even with the small piece of covering cloth it was a moving event. He just took the class and planning to recover his citabrea so I now have a covering teacher and potential helper. Do not archive Les Yawanna Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat From: "ldmill" Underneath my pilot seat are two separate storage boxes with hinged lids. It's the only place in the plane that I can store tiedowns and misc. stuff. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345847#345847 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together From: "tools" Jack and Sue, I'm VERY new to the group and especially the forum, and this will be my first visit to Brodhead. My girlfriend (Robin), my son (Scott) and I would love to join you all. My girlfriend is from Wisconsin, so I think we should contribute something local, and propose Brandy Old Fashions for later in the day. We'll contribute anything else you deem worthwhile upon request. Funds, son's labor, whatever. I'll be coming in a motorhome as well, hoping to show up very early Thurs morning. If we can reasonably co-locate, perhaps the extra kitchen might be of use. I also have some extra space in the coach, so beds are available for whomever might need them. Thanks for the invite, very much looking forward to meeting everyone! Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345856#345856 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar From: mark lee Well good luck.Seems like when it rains it pours,and you got hit by several things all at once.I grew up in Tulsa and those guys don't seem to have a good Okla aviation attitude.Everyone there always seemed very helpful.If it weren't for the chiggers,ticks and copperheads I might go back there for my project.Glad to hear it didn't get you down. On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Spent some bucks got the lights hard wired, figured out the electrical on > the compressor and dropped a note at the airport managers office telling him > to take a look and let me know. > > Suggested he also get toothless Tommy to get the doors properly adjusted > and fix the leaks in the roof since wooden airplanes should be kept out of > the rain during construction. > > Meanwhile the guy down the row dropped off some inspiration. We laid it on > the fuse and it looked great even with the small piece of covering cloth it > was a moving event. > > > He just took the class and planning to recover his citabrea so I now have a > covering teacher and potential helper. > > Do not archive > > Les Yawanna > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.