---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/21/11: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Re: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! (Jack Phillips) 2. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! (Jack Phillips) 3. 03:40 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (John Franklin) 4. 03:57 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (bubbleboy) 5. 04:45 AM - Re: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! (Dan Yocum) 6. 06:24 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (womenfly2) 7. 06:29 AM - Re: Continental Engine Questions (womenfly2) 8. 06:50 AM - Milestone! (and a Question) (Michael Perez) 9. 07:01 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (JerryGrogan) 10. 07:02 AM - Re: Continental Engine Questions (AircamperN11MS) 11. 07:04 AM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (AircamperN11MS) 12. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Michael Perez) 13. 07:18 AM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Steve Ruse) 14. 08:16 AM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (TriScout) 15. 08:44 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (aerocarjake) 16. 08:49 AM - Contact Brodhead EAA chapter for me... (aerocarjake) 17. 08:56 AM - SIGH! (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 09:01 AM - Re: Continental Engine Questions (steve@wotelectronics.com) 19. 09:23 AM - Re: Continental Engine Questions (AircamperN11MS) 20. 11:26 AM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (899PM) 21. 11:53 AM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Charles Campbell) 22. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Charles Campbell) 23. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Charles Campbell) 24. 12:23 PM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Jim Markle) 25. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 26. 02:15 PM - Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (bubbleboy) 27. 03:13 PM - XCOM Radio (John Kuhfahl) 28. 07:26 PM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (Pieti Lowell) 29. 07:48 PM - Re: Made in time for dinner! (bender) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:51 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! As one who just spent seven hours in the cockpit of a Pietenpol yesterday, I would say the issue is not fuel, but how much abuse the pilot is willing to take. I've done it in one day from North Carolina before (700 sm), leaving at dawn and landing Brodhead just after sunset. I won't do it again. Jack Phillips Hoping to make Brodhead before noon today -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! Wow!... Following this post kinda makes me want to rent that old 60's movie..something..."magnificent Flying something..something..flying machines " .. I just assembled the GN1 I bought, but couldn't get the Annual scheduled on time for me to make it this year. Just watched the Lindbergh (Jimmy Stewart) movie and now am studying the feasibility of trying to non-stopper next year KLNC-C37 (800sm). I think a 35 gallon tank in the front hole with a hand-crank pump might work. The issue would be oil burn on a 12hr flt. Hmm... interesting. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347246#347246 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:40 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! Plan is to leave MZZ at 0700, with first fuel stop at Lowell IN (C97). Should land at Lowell around 8:30 (EDT). Back in the air by 9:00 direct KJOT (overfly), then to SWETT intersection, overfly KDKB then land at Poplar Grove, probably around 9:30 CDT . How long will it take you to reach Poplar Grove? I can wait a bit. Text me with updates (919) 427-4440. There's no law against texting while flying. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! Jack, What's your route around Chicago? I'll be launching at about 9:30-10:00 from Olson in 502R. We might be able to join up at PG. Then I'll drop off the beets and gear, pick up John and fly back to Olson to pick up my Piet. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: And tell me, oh great sage, exactly what airplane are YOU flying to Brodhead this year? Oh that's right, you didn't finish yours yet. As an update, Matt tried the plane this morning and the landing gear gave out again, but not as bad since he put shorter safety cables on it. I launched about 10:15, as soon as Beckley WV was reporting VFR (they lied - when I got there it was maybe 1000' broken. Note that the ridges around Beckley are at least 1500' higher than the airport, so the tops of the mountains were in the clouds and I had to fly through the valley that I-64 follows). Made it as far as Marion IN. Marion is about 4 hours from Brodhead and it was 6:30 when I landed here, so I tied the plane down and took the courtesy car to a hotel. I should be at Brodhead by 11:00 or so tomorrow morning. Matt called me at my second fuel stop and said he has put new bungees on and the landing gear is good, so he's planning to leave early tomorrow morning and come to Brodhead. Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:45 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! J.C., I've never heard such whining! "it was IFRRRRR" "we had to drive an HOOOOUR AND A HALFFFF, EACH WAYYYYYY" "it was 6 PMMMMMM" (gets dark at 9) "we were TOO TIIIIIIRED to THIIIIINK about flying" "my P hurts" oh, wait, did I think that out loud? boy, in my day, we'd get up at 3 in the morning, an hour and a half before we went to bed, walk an hour and a half, every hour, in the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, over broken glass, with spikes, to change a propeller with our bare hands, being beaten to death by our Dad the whole time with a board full of rusty nails, to get the PRIVILEGE of flying a Pietenpol a couple of hours before dark, and be damned glad to get it! you know, you tell the kids today about this and they just don't believe it! Pussies!! do not archive, what's the point? _____ From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! We didn't make it out today. Weather was IFR until about 2:30 or 3:00, and we had to drive an hour and a half each way back to my hangar at Smith Mountin Lake to get my spare prop for Matt's plane. By the time we got the new prop installed and the bungees fixed, it was 6:00 PM and we were too tired to think about flying. We'll launch as early as we can in the morning and see how far we can get. Forecast looks pretty good. With luck, we might make it all the way, landing Brodhead by about 7:00 PM Jack Phillips & Matt Paxton From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! I just talked to Kevin and he is at the Sand Burr enjoying lunch. No issues at all on the trip up. Jack Phillips and Matt Paxton were delayed out. Matt had a bungee give out on the gear that cost them a few hours. It happened during a tight turn. No damage other than the prop tips. It looks as the bungees may have been loose and went a bit over center, then were unable to come back. They are replacing the prop with the St Croix that Jack has at his hangar and tightening the bungees. With any luck may get across the mountains of WV today. -john- st" target=_blank> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:33 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. Scotty, I had some metal brackets for my GN-1 cut on waterjet and I must say it is impressive watching water cut steel! Even though it is extremely accurate (being CNC controlled) it did leave microscopic grooves that I later smoothed out, fearing that the grooves would be susceptible to cracking. Maybe those fears weren't justified, I don't know. The other experience was using a plasma cutter to rough cut a 1/8" bracket. When I tried to cut the piece on a metal-cutting bandsaw, the blade wouldn't cut through the edge because the plasma cutter had hardened the 4130. I would think a laser would do the same hardening, but I don't know for sure. I had to grind away the hardened part, but as the other poster said you could also anneal it to remove the hardness. Good Luck, John Franklin GN-1/Corvair in progress @ 4TA0 Texas -----Original Message----- >From: bubbleboy >Sent: Jul 20, 2011 5:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. > > >Im organising the cutting of metal parts as we speak. I have sourced 4130 at a wholesale price through a friend. I contacted a local laser cutter and asked if it was something his machines could do. He said that being for an aircraft, he thought it needed to be water cut and not laser cut. I know other builders who have had their parts laser cut so it must be ok I would assume. Does laser produce more heat and maybe that is where hes coming from? > >Just wanted to put it out there and see what others thought before I go back to him. > >Scotty > >-------- >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347227#347227 > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. From: "bubbleboy" Thanks Dave & John...what your saying makes sense. I have the guy looking at it now so should know soon if he can help or not. I appreciate your feedback. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347271#347271 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!!! From: Dan Yocum I plan on wheels up at about 9-9:30. I'll text you when I'm about to take of f. -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:12 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > Plan is to leave MZZ at 0700, with first fuel stop at Lowell IN (C97). Sh ould land at Lowell around 8:30 (EDT). Back in the air by 9:00 direct KJOT ( overfly), then to SWETT intersection, overfly KDKB then land at Poplar Grove , probably around 9:30 CDT . How long will it take you to reach Poplar Grov e? I can wait a bit. Text me with updates (919) 427-4440. There=99s no law against texting while flying. > > Jack > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:19 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead!! ! > > Jack, > > What's your route around Chicago? I'll be launching at about 9:30-10:00 f rom Olson in 502R. We might be able to join up at PG. Then I'll drop off t he beets and gear, pick up John and fly back to Olson to pick up my Piet. > > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrot e: > >> And tell me, oh great sage, exactly what airplane are YOU flying to Brodh ead this year? Oh that=99s right, you didn=99t finish yours yet .. >> >> As an update, Matt tried the plane this morning and the landing gear gave out again, but not as bad since he put shorter safety cables on it. I laun ched about 10:15, as soon as Beckley WV was reporting VFR (they lied =93 when I got there it was maybe 1000=99 broken. Note that the ridges a round Beckley are at least 1500=99 higher than the airport, so the top s of the mountains were in the clouds and I had to fly through the valley th at I-64 follows). Made it as far as Marion IN. Marion is about 4 hours fro m Brodhead and it was 6:30 when I landed here, so I tied the plane down and t ook the courtesy car to a hotel. I should be at Brodhead by 11:00 or so tom orrow morning. >> >> Matt called me at my second fuel stop and said he has put new bungees on a nd the landing gear is good, so he=99s planning to leave early tomorro w morning and come to Brodhead. >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:45 PM >> To: pietenpol-list >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead! !! >> >> J.C., I've never heard such whining! "it was IFRRRRR" "we had to dri ve an HOOOOUR AND A HALFFFF, EACH WAYYYYYY" "it was 6 PMMMMMM" (gets dark a t 9) "we were TOO TIIIIIIRED to THIIIIINK about flying" "my P hurts" oh, w ait, did I think that out loud? >> >> boy, in my day, we'd get up at 3 in the morning, an hour and a half befor e we went to bed, walk an hour and a half, every hour, in the snow, barefoot , uphill, both ways, over broken glass, with spikes, to change a propeller w ith our bare hands, being beaten to death by our Dad the whole time with a b oard full of rusty nails, to get the PRIVILEGE of flying a Pietenpol a coupl e of hours before dark, and be damned glad to get it! >> >> you know, you tell the kids today about this and they just don't believe i t! >> >> >> >> >> Pussies!! >> >> >> do not archive, what's the point? >> >> >> >> >> From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead! !! >> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:32:11 -0400 >> >> We didn=99t make it out today. Weather was IFR until about 2:30 or 3:00, and we had to drive an hour and a half each way back to my hangar at S mith Mountin Lake to get my spare prop for Matt=99s plane. By the tim e we got the new prop installed and the bungees fixed, it was 6:00 PM and we were too tired to think about flying. We=99ll launch as early as we c an in the morning and see how far we can get. Forecast looks pretty good. W ith luck, we might make it all the way, landing Brodhead by about 7:00 PM >> >> Jack Phillips & Matt Paxton >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann >> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:36 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Someone just arrived/parked at Brodhead! !! >> >> I just talked to Kevin and he is at the Sand Burr enjoying lunch. No issu es at all on the trip up. >> >> Jack Phillips and Matt Paxton were delayed out. Matt had a bungee give ou t on the gear that cost them a few hours. It happened during a tight turn. N o damage other than the prop tips. It looks as the bungees may have been lo ose and went a bit over center, then were unable to come back. They are repl acing the prop with the St Croix that Jack has at his hangar and tightening t he bungees. With any luck may get across the mountains of WV today. >> >> -john- >> >> >> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. From: "womenfly2" Either will work fine. The very fine grooves left by water jet cutting are really very tiny radii's and not V-type sharp grooves as left by a band-saw blade. A file drawn over the edges will smooth them out. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347284#347284 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental Engine Questions From: "womenfly2" I would look and post over on the J3-Cub.com forum. They know pretty much everything on the 0-200 and can point you in the right direction to answer your questions. BTW: can you tell me a little about your 0-200? -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347286#347286 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:17 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) While most of the buzz has been around planning, flying and getting to Brodhead, I have spent my time meeting a major milestone on my build. Last week, Mike C. was nice enough to come over and help me attach the wings. Since then, I now have the plane in the garage, level/plumb, wings on and wing struts built and attached. This is the most assembled the plane has ever been and I, as all of you have been as well at this stage, am very, very excited! This Sunday will be 3 years into the project so far. My question...I have gone over and over the wing setup many times and I am 99.5% convinced the wings are level...with the CS, with the fuselage and with each other. Looking from the ground, they look level. But when I climb up on a step ladder and look across the top of the wings, they appear to have some minor dihedral. I actually want a little, but at this stage I was hoping that everything would read/show and look level. Optical illusion, or am I missing something? Thoughts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:29 AM PST US From: "JerryGrogan" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. We manufacture a lot of parts for airplanes and we use water jet only. The reason is a laser will case harden the edge of the metal part. First when you drill out a hole you will mess up a drill bit really bad. And if you have to bend anything the edge will crack unless you polish it. I think you could use laser and your parts would be just fine as far as stress. There are just those drawbacks I talked about. I am building a Piet and we are thinking of offering up some metal fittings for the piet. I will be at Broadhead. Thanks Jerry Grogan Sky Classic Aircraft Des Moines, Ia 515-243-0094 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. Im organising the cutting of metal parts as we speak. I have sourced 4130 at a wholesale price through a friend. I contacted a local laser cutter and asked if it was something his machines could do. He said that being for an aircraft, he thought it needed to be water cut and not laser cut. I know other builders who have had their parts laser cut so it must be ok I would assume. Does laser produce more heat and maybe that is where hes coming from? Just wanted to put it out there and see what others thought before I go back to him. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347227#347227 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental Engine Questions From: "AircamperN11MS" Jeff, I have the same set up as you except mine is a C-85. I can't remember about the starter gears, its been too long since I had the engine apart. Although I think the starter gear was left in place behind the rear gear case. As far as the auto gas goes. I have an all metal fuel system and a steel needle and seat in the carb. The only rubber I have is aircraft quality Airquip hose between the gascolater and the carb. I have not had any issues with that piece of hose. The only actual issue I have with the auto gas is that the O-rings on the fuel drains need to be replaced every annual due to swelling. That is it. I don't worry about the fuel additives since it is too cold to fly above 9 or 10 thousand feet. Just put a little marvel mystery oil in the fuel occasionally and all will be fine. Hope this will help you, Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347293#347293 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) From: "AircamperN11MS" Pull a string across the top of the wing from tip to tip. That will tell all. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347295#347295 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) WOW! That is a great idea...not sure why I didn't think of that before. Thanks! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:11 AM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) You could tie a string to a rib at the end of one wing, then pull it tight from the end of the other wing and see if there is a gap between the strin g and ribs at the center section.  Directly over the spar would probab ly make it easier to see and/or measure. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On Jul 21, 2011 8:55 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wro te: While most of the buzz has been around planning, flying and getting to Brod head, I have spent my time meeting a major milestone on my build. Last week , Mike C. was nice enough to come over and help me attach the wings. Since then, I now have the plane in the garage, level/plumb, wings on and wing struts built and attached. This is the most assembled the plane has ever been and I, as all of you have been as well at this stage, am very, very excited! This Sunday will be 3 years into the project so far. My question...I have gone over and over the wing setup many times and I am 99.5% convinced the wings are level...with the CS, with the fuselage and with each other. Looking from the ground, they look level. But when I clim b up on a step ladder and look across the top of the wings, they appear to have some minor dihedral. I actually want a little, but at this stage I was hoping that everything would read/show and look level. Optical illusion, or am I missing something? Thoughts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) From: "TriScout" As Doug Henning would put it; "Magic is Illusion..and Illusion can be Magical!" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347305#347305 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. From: "aerocarjake" I would be interested in purchasing water-jet metal fittings. I will not be at Brodhead this year :-( but contacting on this board or e-mail is fine.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347309#347309 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contact Brodhead EAA chapter for me... From: "aerocarjake" Could someone at Brodhead please contact the Brodhead EAA chapter treasurer for me. I wrote them a modest check for their building campaign many months ago and right away got a nice thank you letter back - but the check has never been cashed....?!?!?!?? I want to make sure the funds go to their new hangar project..... Thanks.......... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347310#347310 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:22 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: SIGH! Got to admit that it is hard to keep my nose to the grindstone while watching Axel's SPOT tracker make pretty patterns around Brodhead, WI. I'm SO jealous! (sob sob) Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:13 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engine Questions Jeff, As Ryan was getting at, I think your main concern with ethanol is the carburetor. You need to make sure the needle, float and seat will not be affected by it. Some needles and floats may not be metal. Some of the non-metal parts will be affected by ethanol, however some may not. My experience is with the Strombergs, if you have a Marvel Schebler carb things may be different. Here is a link to a BUNCH of documents I've collected over the years regarding carburetors for small Continentals. Much of this will apply to your O-200, some may not. You can probably find the answer to your questions in these documents: http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/ Gaskets may be affected by ethanol...some people would probably say that the gaskets WILL be affected over time by ethanol. Ethanol may also increase the likelyhood of carb ice due to a greater temperature drop when it evaporates. See the link below from sacskyranch, which is choc full of good information. If the information you need isn't on this website, it probably doesn't exist: http://www.sacskyranch.com/crbice.htm Steve Ruse Norman, OK On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT), jeff wilson wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals, > > Here's a couple technical questions for those of you not pre-occupied > with the Brodhead reunion this year. > > Question #1- We have mounted a 0-200 on our chapter Piet and removed > the > > alternator and starter. We have covered the the alternator mount with > aluminum plate and plan to do the same over the starter cavity. But > here is the question, there is oil pumped to the starter gears, if we > remove > the gears and cover the hole, will that cause an oil pressure drop > because that oil channel isn't hitting any resistance? > > Question #2- Where can we find a DIY guide for running this engine on > Auto gas. Around > here the only auto gas we can get includes 10% Ethanol. We're good > with > > the fuel tank and line. Its all aluminum with brass fittings. > > Jeff Wilson > Chapter 64 > KCPS > > WEB LIST ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental Engine Questions From: "AircamperN11MS" Steve, That's some pretty cool stuff. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347316#347316 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. From: "899PM" Jerry is 100% correct. Use waterjet. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347330#347330 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:40 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) Michael, I would suggest renting a surveyor's transit. That will tell you definately whether the wings are level or have some dihedral and how much, if any. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) While most of the buzz has been around planning, flying and getting to Brodhead, I have spent my time meeting a major milestone on my build. Last week, Mike C. was nice enough to come over and help me attach the wings. Since then, I now have the plane in the garage, level/plumb, wings on and wing struts built and attached. This is the most assembled the plane has ever been and I, as all of you have been as well at this stage, am very, very excited! This Sunday will be 3 years into the project so far. My question...I have gone over and over the wing setup many times and I am 99.5% convinced the wings are level...with the CS, with the fuselage and with each other. Looking from the ground, they look level. But when I climb up on a step ladder and look across the top of the wings, they appear to have some minor dihedral. I actually want a little, but at this stage I was hoping that everything would read/show and look level. Optical illusion, or am I missing something? Thoughts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:08 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) I guess the string bit would be a lot cheaper than renting a transit. Good luck. Sounds like you are pretty close to covering. Wish I were that far along. Just finishing my right wing. Left wing should be a lot faster -- I'm learning what to do on the right one. Fuselage is about half finished. Still need to build up the landing gear and engine mount. Maybe I can make it to Brodhead next year. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) WOW! That is a great idea...not sure why I didn't think of that before. Thanks! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:15 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) Incidentally, Michael, how about some pictures? ----- Original Message ----- From: "TriScout" Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) > > As Doug Henning would put it; "Magic is Illusion..and Illusion can be > Magical!" > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347305#347305 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:00 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) You could also build a bunyip (water level). It's cheap and you can re-use it to level and re-level whenever you want! There are a lot of Youtube videos explaining how to do it.... Here's one: http://youtu.be/pRjNA0DZZb4 -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Jul 21, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) Michael, I would suggest renting a surveyor's transit. That will tell you definately whether the wings are level or have some dihedral and how much, if any. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Milestone! (and a Question) While most of the buzz has been around planning, flying and getting to Brodhead, I have spent my time meeting a major milestone on my build. Last week, Mike C. was nice enough to come over and help me attach the wings. Since then, I now have the plane in the garage, level/plumb, wings on and wing struts built and attached. This is the most assembled the plane has ever been and I, as all of you have been as well at this stage, am very, very excited! This Sunday will be 3 years into the project so far. My question...I have gone over and over the wing setup many times and I am 99.5% convinced the wings are level...with the CS, with the fuselage and with each other. Looking from the ground, they look level. But when I climb up on a step ladder and look across the top of the wings, they appear to have some minor dihedral. I actually want a little, but at this stage I was hoping that everything would read/show and look level. Optical illusion, or am I missing something? Thoughts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:04 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. Agreed. Count me in on the part list also! KMHeide --- On Thu, 7/21/11, aerocarjake wrote: > From: aerocarjake > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:41 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "aerocarjake" > > I would be interested in purchasing water-jet metal > fittings. I will not be at Brodhead this year :-( but > contacting on this board or e-mail is fine.... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347309#347309 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. From: "bubbleboy" Looking back through the archives many have mentioned they were going to offer metal part packs but other than Ken Perkins, none have eventuated. I know people say that it cant be done as no two Piets are the same but there are parts that will fit all and a few that maybe wont. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347341#347341 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: XCOM Radio From: John Kuhfahl Anyone have any info on repair for this radio.? As some may know, NARCO used to do it but went out of business. I was told not to ship it back to Australia. -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) From: "Pieti Lowell" Mike I have a Lazar in an old level. It works good enough to check dihedral, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347354#347354 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Made in time for dinner! From: "bender" man i'm jealous.. i had the motorcycle ready for a little run to brodhead and have a snag.. the jet i work on got hit by a truck in DC... had to jump on a plane to check it out .... now stuck here till we find a new flap.. then ferry to wichita and who knows how long there... look forward to pics and video..look forward to meeting you guys someday jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347355#347355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.