---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/24/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:17 AM - Re: Brodhead (xTrainwrecKx) 2. 04:02 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch (Jack) 3. 04:02 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch (Jack) 4. 10:16 AM - Re: Milestone! (and a Question) (GliderMike) 5. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch (Dan Yocum) 6. 04:02 PM - Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos (Dan Yocum) 7. 04:02 PM - Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos (Dan Yocum) 8. 06:16 PM - Brodhead Pics (wayne@taildraggersinc.com) 9. 07:54 PM - 363 and counting (Amsafetyc@aol.com) 10. 08:40 PM - Model A Build (reply to Scott Knowlton) LONG (BRETT PHILLIPS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead From: "xTrainwrecKx" Looks like a great time guys! 8) Very respectfully, Derek Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347529#347529 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:49 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch Other can ask, seems to be working, here are the pics, thanks -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch Jack, I'd love to see the pictures but to do so we must be friends on Facebook. Unfortunately, your privacy settings don't allow me to request becoming a friend so this isn't possible. I realize you're busy at Brodhead and don't have the time (I wouldn't) but if you could relocate the pictures or open your account, I'd love to see your pictures. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347494#347494 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:50 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch Jake, seems to be working, I sent the pictures to the list by accident hope there are not too big... -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch Jack, Ditto what Bill said. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347496#347496 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone! (and a Question) From: "GliderMike" The Bunnyip would work really well to check level on the fuse, and the wings. You don't have to have the tubing taught, and you don't have to have a regular bubble level that is wide enough to go across the fuse, or a laser to make sure you are eyeballing everything correctly, or aren't pushing down on the string. Use the string to make sure you have a little dihedral, and you are in good shape. do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347565#347565 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:17 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch Jack! Thanks for the brat but you never came over for your ride! Guess I'll just have sacrifice myself and come to Brodhead again next year. ;-) Dan do not archive On 07/24/2011 05:59 AM, Jack wrote: > Other can ask, seems to be working, here are the pics, thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:11 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Brat Lunch > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BYD" > > Jack, > > I'd love to see the pictures but to do so we must be friends on Facebook. > Unfortunately, your privacy settings don't allow me to request becoming a > friend so this isn't possible. > > I realize you're busy at Brodhead and don't have the time (I wouldn't) but > if you could relocate the pictures or open your account, I'd love to see > your pictures. > > Bill > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347494#347494 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos From: Dan Yocum http://www.eaa431.org/gallery/index.php/Pietenpol-Fly-Ins/Pietenpol-2011 -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos From: Dan Yocum http://www.eaa431.org/gallery/index.php/Pietenpol-Fly-Ins/Pietenpol-2011 -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:31 PM PST US From: "wayne@taildraggersinc.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pics Hello good people! Here are a few of my pics from Saturday evening at Brodhead. I was only able to stay about an hour and a half before I had to get back on the road to Appleton. If I can, I'll try to get more photos cleaned up and uploaded as the week goes on. My apologies if I didn't get your favorite plane uploaded yet. Link: http://www.taildraggersinc.com/pages/gallery/Brodhead_2011/brodhead2011.html Cruising around OSH today I saw quite a few of the planes from Brodhead on the grounds. Jack Phillips got the best parking spot on the field, though. I'll get those photos up soon! Sincerely, Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:55 PM PST US From: "Amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 363 and counting Well like everyone else that attended Brodhead this year in a word was GREAT. I got another chance to share great times hanging out with old friends and making new ones along the way. I have no regrets in spending the time with friends despite the time not home building. Building is an important aspect however if you don't have friends to share the experience with all ya have is your airplane and little to show for the journey. The thing that makes the journey great and memorable are the people you meet along the way. Thank you all for another great experience John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Build (reply to Scott Knowlton) LONG From: BRETT PHILLIPS Scott: Thanks for the kind words about the "Brodhead report". You asked about my Model A build, and I'm not sure I'm really qualified to speak authoritatively, so please take what I say with several grains of salt! I have built and converted an A before, but it never flew, and it was as a 12 year old with my dad! I will also add that engine build-ups, and aircraft engine conversions in particular tend to bring out strong opinions, so what works for me may keep some folks up at night and vice versa. A few of my personal criteria are much like yours: Simplicity, Simplicity, Simplicity. To that end, I have tried to keep clear of "entangling alliances" like add-on welded counterweights, valve seat inserts and cylinder sleeves. From lurking on the "Ford Barn" and "Ahooga" message boards I know that many of the well known engine builders consider these things to be mandatory, but I feel better knowing that there are fewer parts to fall off, work loose, or otherwise get out of order. Also from the Model A boards, I have learned how important a good straight crankshaft is to a long lasting "A" engine, as well as how hard it is to find someone who can recondition one of these cranks correctly. You mentioned the Burlington crankshafts, and I have to say that I really like what I have heard and seen of them. I was able to come up with a freshly ground stock crank that met the stringent Ford specs for flange runout and straightness, so I'm using that and saving the $750 difference from the Burlington crank for other important areas. The counterweights on the Burlington are heavy too, so I'm saving about 20 lbs there as well. The airplane that Dad and I bought as a project came with an engine that had seen a lot of trauma but still ran well despite having been in a nose over accident and the victim of a cracked water jacket. After tearing it down for inspection I decided to use another block, crank and other internals and re-use all of the accessories. It showed signs of having been a beautifully built engine, but there were too many problems from the trauma to warrant its' use. The block I'm using is a 1931, and it has been bored .080 and has fresh babbitt. I'm not afraid of babbitt as long as it is correctly poured and machined, nor am I scared of insert bearings when they are done properly. Babbitt happened to be a viable option for me, and its well known trait of being fairly forgiving appealed to me. Lately, it has become increasingly hard to find shops who are qualified to pour and finish good babbit bearings, so down the road I may end up with inserts when the babbit needs to be replaced. Lubrication is per Mr. Pietenpol's plans. Lots of reading on the Model A message boards and also some Model T sites has convinced me that a new (not reground) camshaft may be worth the money and I have a Stipe IB330 cam on the way. It seems that reground cams have longer duration numbers due to simple geometry rules, and this results in degraded performance in the sub-1600 RPM range. It might be a waste of money, but at this point I feel good about this decision and hope it makes for a more responsive engine that will pull and climb a bit better. I was tempted to go with larger intake valves, but I spoke with Bill Stipe (cam manufacturer) and he thought that it really wasn't necessary due to the limited RPM range. I have a full set of new stainless valves and 2-piece guides that Dad and I bought 25 years ago, so I'll probably use them unless they give me trouble or something doesn't check out right at installation. I have a (6:1??) Dan Price aluminum head that came with the project that I will probably use. The weight savings is substantial and the compression boost is an important part of the overall package too. Some say that high compression destroys babbitt, but I believe it is more likely that crooked crankshafts and detonation caused by poor ignition timing are to blame. I don't plan on running more than 50-60 hours between peeks at the bottom end anyway so I'm confident that it will be reliable with regular attention. The Dan Price head is setup with four plugs, so that and simplicity dictate that ignition will be single. The project came with a crank driven Bendix mag and mount that I plan on using. The mag is set up with no impulse coupling, and this simplifies things even further but requires a special touch when propping. The engine Dad and I converted years ago used a base mounted American Bosch magneto with an impulse, and it was a great setup too. It sure was an easy starter, and I remember impressing lots of adults by propping it to life by myself at age 12 (not sure how wise that was, but I lived to tell the tale at any rate). The carburetor will be a Zenith model B that was on the original engine, and the intake manifold is made up of copper pipe fittings much like Larry Williams uses. I have spoken with Ken Perkins, and I am impressed with the level of thought and care that goes into his products, but since I'm starting with a running conversion I really won't need much in that line. If I needed something he sold, I would not hesitate to make use of him, and I have considered buying one of his side mounted Slick magneto setups just to have one on the shelf. Lots of FordBarn reading has convinced me that a properly rebuilt and maintained stock style water pump with lead packing can be as reliable as anything else available and much less likely to fail catastrophically. The packing may drip a little, but chances are good that it will never spew water in large streams like a failed carbon/ceramic or rubber seal can, so I'll be sticking with a per-plans water pump for now. More questions? Ask away! 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