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1. 04:00 AM - Re: XCOM Radio (John Kuhfahl)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (JerryGrogan)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. (Jack)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 07:05 AM - Three Years Yesterday (Michael Perez)
6. 10:04 AM - Thanks ya'll (airlion)
7. 10:22 AM - long vs. short (Dan Yocum)
8. 01:01 PM - Re: Three Years Yesterday (aerocarjake)
9. 01:16 PM - Made it back home today (shad bell)
10. 01:37 PM - Re: Made it back home today (gboothe5@comcast.net)
11. 01:52 PM - Re: Made it back home today (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
12. 02:00 PM - Re: Made it back home today (jim_markle@mindspring.com)
13. 02:02 PM - Re: long vs. short (Bill Church)
14. 02:55 PM - Re: Made it back home today (Dave Abramson)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: Report! (Bill Church)
16. 04:00 PM - 1911 pusher, and piet (shad bell)
17. 04:06 PM - Question about model A build and pietenpol fuselage length. (Walter Allen)
18. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Three Years Yesterday (Michael Perez)
19. 04:25 PM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (jim_markle@mindspring.com)
20. 04:58 PM - Re: Brodhead Pics (Gene Rambo)
21. 05:09 PM - Re: Brodhead Pics (Wayne Bressler)
22. 05:23 PM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Charles Campbell)
23. 07:07 PM - Curtiss Pusher (Richard Schreiber)
24. 07:42 PM - Re: Thanks ya'll (Jim Boyer)
25. 07:46 PM - Re: Three Years Yesterday (xTrainwrecKx)
26. 07:48 PM - Re: Made it back home today (Jim Boyer)
27. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Report! (Jim Boyer)
28. 11:24 PM - Re: Question about model A build and pietenpol fuselage length. (Ryan Mueller)
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Tom/anyone else with XCOM interest,
That site is pretty much dead. I tried that before and again just now.
Thanks though. John
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:20 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *John:*
> **
> *There is a section on warranty and repairs on the XCOM website. (see link
> below)*
> http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/warranty/warranty.html
>
> *This link also contains contact information for technical support and
> avionics service. A USA phone number is also on this page for us "up over"
> types. Luckily I haven't had to use any of this information yet.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X (wannabe - one of these days)*
>
>
> >>> John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com> 7/21/2011 5:08 PM >>>
>
> Anyone have any info on repair for this radio.? As some may know, NARCO
> used to do it but went out of business. I was told not to ship it back to
> Australia.
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. |
I was at Brodhead and there was some interest there also in the metal
fittings. It was also good to meet some of you. I have been welding all the
parts for Jack Textor and am building my own Piet. We have made metal
fitting for many airplanes for years. We also have the ability to powder
coat all the parts. We also want to work on the dies that will form all the
parts to an airfoil shape. Anyway I will keep you informed on the progress.
Brodhead was awesome even with the rain.
Thanks
Jerry Grogan
Sky Classic Aircraft
jerry@skyclassic.net
515-243-0094
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| Subject: | Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts. |
Jerry,
It was so good to see you and your dad. For others Jerry's fabrication and
welding skills are fantastic!
Jack
DSM
OSH Based this week
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JerryGrogan
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water versus Laser cutting metal parts.
I was at Brodhead and there was some interest there also in the metal
fittings. It was also good to meet some of you. I have been welding all the
parts for Jack Textor and am building my own Piet. We have made metal
fitting for many airplanes for years. We also have the ability to powder
coat all the parts. We also want to work on the dies that will form all the
parts to an airfoil shape. Anyway I will keep you informed on the progress.
Brodhead was awesome even with the rain.
Thanks
Jerry Grogan
Sky Classic Aircraft
jerry@skyclassic.net
515-243-0094
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| Subject: | Re: Chapter 431 Pietenpol 2011 photos |
Marvelous photo journey. Thanks for posting. (From all us wannabe's.)
Stinemetze
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>>> Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> 7/24/2011 5:59 PM >>>
http://www.eaa431.org/gallery/index.php/Pietenpol-Fly-Ins/Pietenpol-2011
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Three Years Yesterday |
Three years ago yesterday I started building my plane. As I stated in an ea
rlier post, I fit the wings on for the first time a couple weeks ago.- I'
ll post a picture or two later today.
-
I have at least another year to go...I'm guessing more, but am enjoying it
very much and am as motivated today as I was day one.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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I would like to thank everyone for their kind comments on my loss at Sun n Fun.
I am rebuilding the bird and I hope to have it at Brodhead next year. Gardiner
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I'm talking about fuselage length. What did you think I was talking about?
;-)
I ferried 502R up to Brodhead last Thursday to transfer the ownership to
John Hofmann. There were a couple observations I made during the trip
that I thought I'd share.
502R is a much tighter handling machine than my 32 year Piet and with
the Cloud Cars prop it performs a bit better, I think. 8031 has a 74-42
McCauley Met-L-Prop which is pretty good too, but it doesn't climb as
fast as 502R. If I recall correctly, 502R is 60lbs lighter than my
plane, so that could account for some of the lack of climb rate in 8031.
The control cables are much tighter than the loosey-goosey cables on
N8031. I may tighten mine up. Or not.
The one thing I did notice is that the stall on 502R is much more
noticeable than it is on 8031. Now, it's not bad at all - it's like a
Cub - but there is a distinct "break" when it stops flying whereas 8031
tends to mush out more. My feeling is that this is because the motor
mount on 8031 is extended 8" longer than 502R to account for the cabanes
being vertical (or even slightly forward) instead of slanted back a few
inches. Here I'll just say, re-read W. Wynne and Ryan Mueller's article
in the BPA newsletter from last year on which method of correcting W&B
issues is better. Hint: it ain't the extended motor mount version.
The 2 extra inches of cockpit space in the long fuselage version really
makes it a much more comfortable plane to fly - my back didn't hurt
nearly as much with the slightly angled back seat as it does in my short
fuse Piet.
That is all, good people. As you were. 361 days left.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Three Years Yesterday |
Way to go Michael....
I started about the same time but you're way ahead of me...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Made it back home today |
NX92GB is safe and sound back at home.- Made it to Plymouth IN last night
and home today.- I saw Dave (last name?) and Andrew King, they flew in t
he 1911 Curtis Pusher right after I got there.- Waited out the fog this m
orning with them untill about 11 am.- I got a few pics of the piet with t
he Pusher, I will post them if anyone is interested.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Made it back home today |
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| Subject: | Made it back home today |
Post the pics Shad.
Brian
SLC-Ut
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Made it back home today
NX92GB is safe and sound back at home. Made it to Plymouth IN last
night and home today. I saw Dave (last name?) and Andrew King, they
flew in the 1911 Curtis Pusher right after I got there. Waited out the
fog this morning with them untill about 11 am. I got a few pics of the
piet with the Pusher, I will post them if anyone is interested.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: long vs. short |
Just imagine how nice a curved seat would be....
Just kidding - we don't need to get that discussion going again.
Funny thing is that I did not realize that your Piet has a "short" fuselage, and
that John's has a "long" fuselage. I would have guessed the other way 'round.
Probably the long nose (ON YOUR PLANE) threw me off.
I have now sat in the front seat of three Piets, the first two being short fuselages,
and the third one being John's, and I can say that the long fuselage definitely
makes for a more comfortable fit for a taller passenger (I'm 6'-2").
I had no problem moving my feet and legs out of the way to ensure that they did
not interfere with the pedals and control stick, whereas with the short fuselage,
it would not be comfortable for any period of time.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Made it back home today |
hI shad! can you send me some pictures of the pusher???????? Thanks!!!!!!!
Dave
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:14 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Made it back home today
NX92GB is safe and sound back at home. Made it to Plymouth IN last
night and home today. I saw Dave (last name?) and Andrew King, they flew in
the 1911 Curtis Pusher right after I got there. Waited out the fog this
morning with them untill about 11 am. I got a few pics of the piet with the
Pusher, I will post them if anyone is interested.
Shad
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Well Scott (and anyone else that couldn't make it, but wanted to), I'd say that
Brodhead 2011 was a success. I didn't get an accurate count (I'm sure someone
else probably did) of the Piets there, but I would estimate that including the
several Piets based at C37, there must have been close to 25 in attendance.
Only two Ford-powered Air Campers flew in (Larry Williams and "Pieti" Lowell Frank),
and three Corvair-powered Piets (I know that these three were there - Kevin
Purtee, Gary and Shad Bell, and Tom Brown). Dick Navratil had his Rotec-powered
Piet, as well as his Continental-powered one. And I think almost everything
else was Continental-powered (except the Last Original or the Ford powered
Piets that are based at the field).
The weather was... interesting. Thunderstorms each night, and blistering heat in
the daytime, once the rain moved out. As a bonus, there was some humidity to
go with the heat. But there was lots of flying each day.
The food was ... well, you know they boil fish there, don't you. So, if you like
that, I guess it was "as usual" (good or bad). I didn't try the mosquitoes,
so I'm not sure how they were. Just kidding - they weren't too thick, but they
were present. Jack and Susan Textor made the generous offer to host a Friday
Bratwurst lunch, and followed through in colors, feeding something like 80 people.
I bet they won't make THAT mistake again! I don't care what anyone says,
I think Jack's not such a bad guy :). Seriously though, that was extremely generous,
Jack and Susan. Thank you. You are truly nice people.
There were a few long distance Piets - Kevin Purtee all the way from Texas (with
a crank-snapper, no less), Jack Grenier from Colorado (Jack is only 90 years
old), Larry Williams from Arkansas (Model A), Jack Phillips and Matt Paxton from
Virginia. Matt managed to overcome some difficulties with his prototype retractable
landing gear, and arrived on Friday afternoon. There may have been others
that also traveled long distances - sorry if I omitted you.
As usual, many acquaintances were rekindled, and many new faces were put to names,
and a good time was had by all. And, even though it's a day longer than it
used to be, the whole event seemed to go even faster than usual. They say time
flies when you're having fun, so I must have really been having fun.
Bill
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| Subject: | 1911 pusher, and piet |
Here are some pics of the pusher
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Question about model A build and pietenpol fuselage length. |
I have a Model A engine that I want to use. I am 5'10" tall and weigh 290 pounds.
Because I will make the tail heavy I am wondering what fuselage to build shorter
(1932) short (1933) or long? Thanks for any opinions that anyone may give.
Thanks
Walter
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:40:46 PM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Build (reply to Scott
> Knowlton) LONG
> From: BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip@shentel.net>
>
> Scott:
>
> Thanks for the kind words about the "Brodhead
> report". You asked about my
> Model A build, and I'm not sure I'm really qualified to
> speak
> authoritatively, so please take what I say with several
> grains of salt! I
> have built and converted an A before, but it never flew,
> and it was as a 12
> year old with my dad! I will also add that engine
> build-ups, and aircraft
> engine conversions in particular tend to bring out strong
> opinions, so what
> works for me may keep some folks up at night and vice
> versa.
> A few of my personal criteria are much like
> yours: Simplicity,
> Simplicity, Simplicity. To that end, I have tried to
> keep clear of
> "entangling alliances" like add-on welded counterweights,
> valve seat inserts
> and cylinder sleeves. From lurking on the "Ford Barn"
> and "Ahooga" message
> boards I know that many of the well known engine builders
> consider these
> things to be mandatory, but I feel better knowing that
> there are fewer parts
> to fall off, work loose, or otherwise get out of order.
> Also from the Model A boards, I have learned how
> important a good straight
> crankshaft is to a long lasting "A" engine, as well as how
> hard it is to
> find someone who can recondition one of these cranks
> correctly. You
> mentioned the Burlington crankshafts, and I have to say
> that I really like
> what I have heard and seen of them. I was able to
> come up with a freshly
> ground stock crank that met the stringent Ford specs for
> flange runout and
> straightness, so I'm using that and saving the $750
> difference from the
> Burlington crank for other important areas. The
> counterweights on the
> Burlington are heavy too, so I'm saving about 20 lbs there
> as well.
> The airplane that Dad and I bought as a project came
> with an engine that
> had seen a lot of trauma but still ran well despite having
> been in a nose
> over accident and the victim of a cracked water
> jacket. After tearing it
> down for inspection I decided to use another block, crank
> and other
> internals and re-use all of the accessories. It
> showed signs of having been
> a beautifully built engine, but there were too many
> problems from the
> trauma to warrant its' use.
> The block I'm using is a 1931, and it has been bored
> .080 and has fresh
> babbitt. I'm not afraid of babbitt as long as it is
> correctly poured and
> machined, nor am I scared of insert bearings when they are
> done properly.
> Babbitt happened to be a viable option for me, and its well
> known trait
> of being fairly forgiving appealed to me. Lately, it
> has become
> increasingly hard to find shops who are qualified to pour
> and finish good
> babbit bearings, so down the road I may end up with inserts
> when the babbit
> needs to be replaced. Lubrication is per Mr.
> Pietenpol's plans.
> Lots of reading on the Model A message boards and
> also some Model T sites
> has convinced me that a new (not reground) camshaft may be
> worth the money
> and I have a Stipe IB330 cam on the way. It seems
> that reground cams have
> longer duration numbers due to simple geometry rules, and
> this results in
> degraded performance in the sub-1600 RPM range. It
> might be a waste of
> money, but at this point I feel good about this decision
> and hope it makes
> for a more responsive engine that will pull and climb a bit
> better. I was
> tempted to go with larger intake valves, but I spoke with
> Bill Stipe (cam
> manufacturer) and he thought that it really wasn't
> necessary due to the
> limited RPM range. I have a full set of new stainless
> valves and 2-piece
> guides that Dad and I bought 25 years ago, so I'll probably
> use them unless
> they give me trouble or something doesn't check out right
> at installation.
> I have a (6:1??) Dan Price aluminum head that came
> with the project that I
> will probably use. The weight savings is substantial
> and the compression
> boost is an important part of the overall package
> too. Some say that high
> compression destroys babbitt, but I believe it is more
> likely that crooked
> crankshafts and detonation caused by poor ignition timing
> are to blame. I
> don't plan on running more than 50-60 hours between peeks
> at the bottom end
> anyway so I'm confident that it will be reliable with
> regular attention.
> The Dan Price head is setup with four plugs, so that and
> simplicity dictate
> that ignition will be single. The project came with a
> crank driven Bendix
> mag and mount that I plan on using. The mag is set up
> with no impulse
> coupling, and this simplifies things even further but
> requires a special
> touch when propping. The engine Dad and I converted years
> ago used a base
> mounted American Bosch magneto with an impulse, and it was
> a great setup
> too. It sure was an easy starter, and I remember
> impressing lots of adults
> by propping it to life by myself at age 12 (not sure how
> wise that was, but
> I lived to tell the tale at any rate).
> The carburetor will be a Zenith model B that was on the
> original engine, and
> the intake manifold is made up of copper pipe fittings much
> like Larry
> Williams uses.
> I have spoken with Ken Perkins, and I am impressed
> with the level of
> thought and care that goes into his products, but since I'm
> starting with a
> running conversion I really won't need much in that
> line. If I needed
> something he sold, I would not hesitate to make use of him,
> and I have
> considered buying one of his side mounted Slick magneto
> setups just to have
> one on the shelf.
> Lots of FordBarn reading has convinced me that a
> properly rebuilt and
> maintained stock style water pump with lead packing can be
> as reliable as
> anything else available and much less likely to fail
> catastrophically. The
> packing may drip a little, but chances are good that it
> will never spew
> water in large streams like a failed carbon/ceramic or
> rubber seal can, so
> I'll be sticking with a per-plans water pump for now.
>
> More questions? Ask away!
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>
> Brett Phillips
> Strasburg, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Three Years Yesterday |
Thank you Jake. Hang in there!
-
Attached is a picture I snapped today. I have the wings setup as good as I
know how to get them and I am quite pleased with the setup. Of course, they
will get tweaked as needed during flight tests.- So, I removed the tail
from the saw horse holding the fuselage level and set it down on the floor.
- I worked on rigging and making the aileron cables today and got them in
stalled. But I realized I blew the angles on the aileron pulleys, so I will
be re-making them. (this week...I hope.)
-
I am yet to sit in the plane with the wings on! I am going to wait until I
have the ailerons hooked back up so that when I do climb in, I'll have all
the controls operational for the first time.
-
Exciting times for sure!
-
Oh and for those back from Brodhead...welcome home!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: 1911 pusher, and piet |
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Hey=2C Wayne=2C why don't you make yourself known??? We woulda shared food
=2C stories=2C booze=2C etc. The photo #25 is one of me giving my little b
oy a ride in Jack Phillips' airplane!! Could you send me a better version
of the photo so I can blow it up?? He had the time of his life=2C and even
though he has helped me from time to time since he was two=2C he is really
fired up to finish ours after having rides on multiple occasions in two di
fferent Piets (Jack's and John Hoffman's).
Wish we'd seen you=2C have fun at Oshkosh=2C we just got back to Virginia a
nd resting!!!
Gene Rambo
From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pics
Hello good people!
Here are a few of my pics from Saturday evening at Brodhead. I was only ab
le to stay about an hour and a half before I had to get back on the road to
Appleton. If I can=2C I'll try to get more photos cleaned up and uploaded
as the week goes on. My apologies if I didn't get your favorite plane upl
oaded yet.
Link: http://www.taildraggersinc.com/pages/gallery/Brodhead_2011/brodhead20
11.html
Cruising around OSH today I saw quite a few of the planes from Brodhead on
the grounds. Jack Phillips got the best parking spot on the field=2C thoug
h. I'll get those photos up soon!
Sincerely=2C
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers=2C Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Pics |
High-res versions for anyone who wants one!
I was in and out real quick trying to get north. I wanted to get there earl
ier, but traffic killed that.
I'm real sorry I missed you guys. I keep walking by Jack's Piet here at OSH
, but haven't seen him yet.
Axel is parked in the vintage area, of all places. :)
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Jul 25, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Hey, Wayne, why don't you make yourself known??? We woulda shared food, s
tories, booze, etc. The photo #25 is one of me giving my little boy a ride i
n Jack Phillips' airplane!! Could you send me a better version of the photo
so I can blow it up?? He had the time of his life, and even though he has h
elped me from time to time since he was two, he is really fired up to finish
ours after having rides on multiple occasions in two different Piets (Jack'
s and John Hoffman's).
>
> Wish we'd seen you, have fun at Oshkosh, we just got back to Virginia and r
esting!!!
>
> Gene Rambo
>
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:14:03 -0400
> From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pics
>
> Hello good people!
>
> Here are a few of my pics from Saturday evening at Brodhead. I was only a
ble to stay about an hour and a half before I had to get back on the road to
Appleton. If I can, I'll try to get more photos cleaned up and uploaded as
the week goes on. My apologies if I didn't get your favorite plane uploade
d yet.
>
> Link: http://www.taildraggersinc.com/pages/gallery/Brodhead_2011/brodhead2
011.html
>
> Cruising around OSH today I saw quite a few of the planes from Brodhead on
the grounds. Jack Phillips got the best parking spot on the field, though.
I'll get those photos up soon!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Wayne Bressler
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> www.taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: 1911 pusher, and piet |
Shad, I really like the looks of your Piet. Mine will be very similar.
Is that a Cloudcars prop? I have put a deposit on one. Would you mind
giving some performance info, including RPM at various flight
conditions? Looks like it will do well. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1911 pusher, and piet
Here are some pics of the pusher
Shad
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A little after 11:00 today I was at my home airport, VPZ Porter Co. In. I heard
a call on the radio that a Curtiss was landing on 27. I ran outside to look and
to my astonishment it was a 1911 Curtiss Pusher. We must have been the next
stop after Plymouth IN. I didn't have a camera with me, but Jim Haklin was at
our EAA food booth and had a camera with him, so he took a bunch of shots. Later
this afternoon we had the Collings Foundation bring in their B-17, B-24 and
P-51.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks ya'll |
Hi Gardiner,
Enjoyed talking to you and Susan at Brodhead and am looking forward to seeing you
and your Piet at Brodhead next year.
I hope to have mine there as well.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Three Years Yesterday |
She looks Oh-So-Pretty! Congrats buddy... I can't wait to be in the same spot as
you.
Very respectfully,
Derek
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347715#347715
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| Subject: | Re: Made it back home today |
Hi Shad,
It was nice seeing you and your dad Gary again. Glad you had a good=C2- f
light home and hope to see you again next year,
Jim and=C2- Arlene
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Bill thanks for the great report on=C2- Brodhead and also it was nice to
meet you and finally put a=C2-face with the name. See you next year.
Jim and=C2- Arlene
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| Subject: | Re: Question about model A build and pietenpol fuselage |
length.
When we weighed the Pietenpols at Brodhead the other year there were no
"long fuselage" Model A Piets, just the standard fuselages from the Improved
plans. I chose the aircraft with the lightest tail by far at 4lbs on the
scale as the example to use for the calculations. I would
imagine, anecdotally, that the Corvair length fuselage is not going to help
matters with it comes to W&B. At your size though, you would probably find
the extra room far more comfortable, if not an absolute requirement. Note,
these figures deal with the potentially adverse CG situation you may find
yourself in...no pax, no fuel...
Running the numbers with this Piet as an example arrive at a maximum pilot
weight of 194lbs with the CG at it's aft limit, 20" aft of the leading edge.
If we put your 290lbs in that airplane the CG moves to 23.6" aft. To correct
this situation, you could move the engine forward or add weight up
front....obviously you don't want to add any more weight, and in either case
it is not the most efficient way to correct the aft CG. If you hung a Model
A 6 inches farther forward it would only net you a little more than a 2"
empty weight CG change, so you'd have to go farther still...and really look
goofy too.
Slanting the cabanes back will net you the most effective CG change, as you
are now moving the entire weight of fuselage, and you, forward in relation
to the datum (the leading edge of the wing). Running these numbers show you
will have to move the wing back at least 4"....if 290 is accurate...throw on
some winter clothes if you fly in colder weather and you should go back some
more.
To be frank, I would have practical concerns about using a Model A in your
situation. At your weight, passengers other than small children (read:
babies) would be pretty much out of consideration....probably anything
resembling a warm day too. Obviously I don't know how sprightly you are, but
common sense would dictate that at your dimensions even getting into a
"to-the-plans" Pietenpol is going to be rather challenging, if not
impossible.....
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Walter Allen <overalles45@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I have a Model A engine that I want to use. I am 5'10" tall and weigh 290
> pounds. Because I will make the tail heavy I am wondering what fuselage to
> build shorter (1932) short (1933) or long? Thanks for any opinions that
> anyone may give.
>
> Thanks
> Walter
>
>
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