---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/28/11: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:30 AM - Re: Brodhead pictures (bubbleboy) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead pictures (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 3. 04:14 AM - Re: Brodhead pictures (bubbleboy) 4. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Greg Cardinal) 5. 04:57 AM - Parting out a Pietenpol (olflyr45) 6. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Brett Phillips) 7. 07:29 AM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (jarheadpilot82) 8. 07:59 AM - Home from Brodhead and OSH (Woodflier@aol.com) 9. 08:14 AM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Bill Church) 10. 08:58 AM - Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH (Dan Yocum) 11. 09:32 AM - Pusher pix from Valpo, IN (James Haklin) 12. 09:37 AM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Billy McCaskill) 13. 09:46 AM - video over Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 14. 10:37 AM - Re: radial engine (xTrainwrecKx) 15. 10:39 AM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (ldmill) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: radial engine (Jerry Dotson) 17. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead pictures (Ryan Mueller) 18. 01:20 PM - Re: Parting out a Pietenpol (Ryan Mueller) 19. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (Ryan Mueller) 20. 01:25 PM - Re: video over Brodhead (aerocarjake) 21. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: video over Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 22. 01:58 PM - Few short Brodhead videos... (Jim Markle) 23. 02:13 PM - Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH (Bill Church) 24. 02:59 PM - Re: Few short Brodhead videos... (jarheadpilot82) 25. 05:14 PM - Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH (IT Girl) 26. 06:31 PM - Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH (Jack Phillips) 27. 06:58 PM - Re: Few short Brodhead videos... (Gboothe5) 28. 07:19 PM - Re: SIGH! (IT Girl) 29. 07:32 PM - Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH (Gboothe5) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead pictures From: "bubbleboy" Thank you for posting the pics! I was curious as to find out more about the pic I have attached. Is that a Piet and is it the front or rear cockpit? The control stick doesnt go forward so it makes me think its the forward seat but a lot of controls if it is? I was looking at all the leg room! Can anyone else fill me in on this one? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347905#347905 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5982485868_78b112c150_b_856.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:36 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead pictures Scotty, That is Bill Liimatainen's Sky Scout, beautiful one place Piet, based at Brodhead. Skip > Can anyone else fill me in on this one? > > Scotty ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead pictures From: "bubbleboy" Thanks Skip...I was envious of all that leg room! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347907#347907 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:31 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet And Minneapolis... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet there are pushers in the terminals in Rochester NY and Milwaukee too. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet > From: glidermikeg@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:11:59 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > KM, is the pusher in the commercial terminal in Fargo? How long has it been there? > > Thanks, > Mike Glasgow > do not archive > > -------- > HOMEBUILDER > Will WORK for Spruce > Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, > GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347806#347806 > > > > > >================= > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Parting out a Pietenpol From: "olflyr45" Fuselage frame, ready to cover. $1,000. Tail group, covered, $1200 Steerable tailwheel assembly, $500 Miscellaneous small pieces All this came from a flying airplane with about 200 hrs on it. (865) 963-6978 wyliejohnson45@gmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347909#347909 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "Brett Phillips" Mark brings up a good point about the canard. Most of the Curtiss pushers that exist are of the later "headless" design, and they seem to be much easier to fly than the canard equipped versions like the one built by Bob Coolbaugh. Last fall, I spent some time watching Bob and Andrew King fly off their 40 hours, and just from watching I could tell that the Ely pusher is a real handful, particularly with regard to pitch control. Bob pointed out that they had added screen door springs to the control column in an effort to give some kind of feel to the pitch control and act as a form of dampener. From an eyeball engineer's standpoint, it is easy to see that an unusual amount (by modern standards) of control surface is devoted to pitch control, both fore and aft, so it stands to reason that it would be sensitive. At any rate, I'm amazed by Bob and Andrew's dedication to flying and demonstrating this machine. Brett Phillips Strasburg, VA Do Not Archive On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:31:07 -0400, mark lee wrote: > OK and here is where I'm really straining the old memory.Is that Tulsa > hung > Curtis pusher built without a canard?Or if it has one isn't it a very > different model than the 1911 flying replica.Also in the 60s there was a > Ryan trainer at Harvey Young Airport overgrown with weeds.I wanted it so > bad > I could taste it.I saved up enough money that I had a fair offer by the > time > I was 15.My dad kept saying no.If nothing else I wanted to hang it in the > hay loft to get it out of the weather.That's the kind of memories that > just > make me wonder"what if". ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "jarheadpilot82" Here is a link to a very good discussion by Bob Coolbaugh of the flying characteristics of the 1911 Curtiss Pusher- -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347921#347921 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:32 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH I touched down at Twin Rivers Airstrip in Glasgow, VA yesterday about 4 p.m. The flight home was about 12 hours total from Oshkosh, with an overnight in Marion, IN. Weather was beautiful for the entire flight, but I hear I left some messy stuff in OSH that came in yesterday (Wednesday) morning. It was great meeting a lot of you in person that I've felt like I've known through the list for years. Dan, Kevin and Shelly, John, Shad, Gary - Boothe and Bell, Rob, Bill, Greg and a lot of others I look forward to seeing next year, though I probably won't be flying the Piet in again for a few years until my butt heals. Many thanks to Jack Phillips for the use of his prop and his help in getting Nine Mike Lima airborne again after the gear trouble. I think die springs are definitely in the works. Thanks also to Jeff who got Jack and me primo parking for our Piets at Oshkosh right next to the Brown Gate. That was a thrill. Good luck with you project and let me know if I can be of any help as you progress. Blue Skies to all of you. Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "Bill Church" Let's see... Fargo, Rochester, Milwaukee, Tulsa, Minneapolis,... Maybe we could just list the airports that DON'T have a pusher hanging in them. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347926#347926 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:10 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH Matt, It was a pleasure meeting you and I'm very glad you made it back unscathed. We should corner Jack and see what he uses for his seat cushion - my butt hurts too from flying too much in the Piet. See you next year! Dan do not archive On 07/28/2011 09:57 AM, Woodflier@aol.com wrote: > I touched down at Twin Rivers Airstrip in Glasgow, VA yesterday about 4 > p.m. The flight home was about 12 hours total from Oshkosh, with an > overnight in Marion, IN. Weather was beautiful for the entire flight, > but I hear I left some messy stuff in OSH that came in yesterday > (Wednesday) morning. It was great meeting a lot of you in person that > I've felt like I've known through the list for years. Dan, Kevin and > Shelly, John, Shad, Gary - Boothe and Bell, Rob, Bill, Greg and a lot of > others I look forward to seeing next year, though I probably won't be > flying the Piet in again for a few years until my butt heals. Many > thanks to Jack Phillips for the use of his prop and his help in getting > Nine Mike Lima airborne again after the gear trouble. I think die > springs are definitely in the works. > Thanks also to Jeff who got Jack and me primo parking for our Piets at > Oshkosh right next to the Brown Gate. That was a thrill. Good luck with > you project and let me know if I can be of any help as you progress. > Blue Skies to all of you. > Matt Paxton > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pusher pix from Valpo, IN From: James Haklin Sorry this took so long to send. New laptop--needed different driver to download pix. Hope this gets through. Jim H Almost finished Piet at VPZ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "Billy McCaskill" BTR, MSY, CMI, and IND don't have Curtiss Pushers hanging in the terminal buildings... do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347934#347934 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:56 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: video over Brodhead Hi all, I took a short video while flying with the Black German, Dan Helsper, over Brodhead this past weekend. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radial engine From: "xTrainwrecKx" This is so awesome... I want one! Derek Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347940#347940 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "ldmill" Here's another pic of a dfferent Pusher and Piet. Took this pic on the way to Gardner, Kansas several months ago. The pusher is the only known flying replica (5/8 scale) of a French built Voison. The Voison was responsible for the first air-air victory ever in WW1. It shot down a German plane. The replica cruises at 50mph and was scratch designed/built by Corey Butcher of State Center, Iowa - using Smithsonian plans as a starting point - within 2 years start to finish. It uses a Geo Metro 3 cylinder engine. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347941#347941 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04042_349.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radial engine From: "Jerry Dotson" Sure is a waste of a fine airplane engine. I guess some Harley folks said the same thing seeing Harleys on airplanes. I like Harleys too but don't want to fly one. I had better go back to work on my Piet most forward bulkhead. I just hate to call it a firewall. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347944#347944 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead pictures From: Ryan Mueller If it was the rear cockpit you would have holes for the pilot's feet in the plywood bulkhead.... do not archive On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:26 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> > > Thank you for posting the pics! I was curious as to find out more about the > pic I have attached. Is that a Piet and is it the front or rear cockpit? The > control stick doesnt go forward so it makes me think its the forward seat > but a lot of controls if it is? > > I was looking at all the leg room! > > Can anyone else fill me in on this one? > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347905#347905 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5982485868_78b112c150_b_856.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Parting out a Pietenpol From: Ryan Mueller So what happened to the airplane? do not archive On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:54 AM, olflyr45 wrote: > > > > Fuselage frame, ready to cover. $1,000. > Tail group, covered, $1200 > Steerable tailwheel assembly, $500 > Miscellaneous small pieces > All this came from a flying airplane with about 200 hrs on it. > (865) 963-6978 > wyliejohnson45@gmail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347909#347909 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: Ryan Mueller Well, you asked for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFN9C9PVpg do not archive On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Let's see... > Fargo, > Rochester, > Milwaukee, > Tulsa, > Minneapolis,... > > Maybe we could just list the airports that DON'T have a pusher hanging in > them. > > > BC > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347926#347926 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: video over Brodhead From: "aerocarjake" Thanks for posting - it's beyond words and makes me pine for the day... I guess that kind of "simple flight" experience is what draws us to the Piet......! Wonderful.................... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347947#347947 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:52 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: video over Brodhead Of course, I meant to say "The Black and Yellow German." Glad you enjoyed it! -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:05 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Few short Brodhead videos... http://youtu.be/vk8HL6R31TI http://youtu.be/BcYw7h8kl3g http://youtu.be/Hjk1-EUJZ48 More later. Enjoy. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH From: "Bill Church" Good to hear that the return home was uneventful, Matt. I think you had your share of drama at the beginning of your journey. And I must say it was a pleasure to meet the man behind the inspirational series of articles from a few years ago. I am sure that there are many other builders out there that were also inspired by your writing. Must have been quite a feeling of satisfaction to land your Piet at both Brodhead and Oshkosh, after a decade of building and dreaming. In case there are some who have not read Matt's series of articles yet, here are the links: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182611-1.html http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182612-1.html http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182613-1.html http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/181622-1.html http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/183301-1.html Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347952#347952 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Few short Brodhead videos... From: "jarheadpilot82" The videos look great! Thanks for uploading them. great motivation. Speaking of videos, did anyone video the Saturday discussions? I think that it was Jeff Boatright who uploaded them to Youtube from Brodhead 2010. I was just wondering if it was going to happen for Brodhead 2011. If you (whoever it may be) are working on it, and just have not uploaded them to Youtube, thanks in advance from those of us who were unable to attend. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347953#347953 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Home from Brodhead and OSH From: "IT Girl" it was great meeting you all as well. Am glad you made it home safely. We hope to see you all again in 2013! "We should corner Jack and see what he uses for his seat cushion - my butt hurts too from flying too much in the Piet." Jack has a cane seat, which has a bit of give to it, and he has a cushion on top of that, he said it is much more comfy. I believe that Dan Helsper has a similar configuration. Both looked very comfy, and would be a nice addition to the passenger seat of FBG. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347959#347959 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:46 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH Thermo-rest foam is the magic answer. Works great but you still get tired flying it. Jack Phillips Wondering when I will ever get to leave Oshkosh, with all this weather -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH Matt, It was a pleasure meeting you and I'm very glad you made it back unscathed. We should corner Jack and see what he uses for his seat cushion - my butt hurts too from flying too much in the Piet. See you next year! Dan do not archive On 07/28/2011 09:57 AM, Woodflier@aol.com wrote: > I touched down at Twin Rivers Airstrip in Glasgow, VA yesterday about 4 > p.m. The flight home was about 12 hours total from Oshkosh, with an > overnight in Marion, IN. Weather was beautiful for the entire flight, > but I hear I left some messy stuff in OSH that came in yesterday > (Wednesday) morning. It was great meeting a lot of you in person that > I've felt like I've known through the list for years. Dan, Kevin and > Shelly, John, Shad, Gary - Boothe and Bell, Rob, Bill, Greg and a lot of > others I look forward to seeing next year, though I probably won't be > flying the Piet in again for a few years until my butt heals. Many > thanks to Jack Phillips for the use of his prop and his help in getting > Nine Mike Lima airborne again after the gear trouble. I think die > springs are definitely in the works. > Thanks also to Jeff who got Jack and me primo parking for our Piets at > Oshkosh right next to the Brown Gate. That was a thrill. Good luck with > you project and let me know if I can be of any help as you progress. > Blue Skies to all of you. > Matt Paxton > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:21 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Few short Brodhead videos... Those are great, Jim!! I'll bet Ben's hair didn't stay in his face for long.... Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Few short Brodhead videos... http://youtu.be/vk8HL6R31TI http://youtu.be/BcYw7h8kl3g http://youtu.be/Hjk1-EUJZ48 More later. Enjoy. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SIGH! From: "IT Girl" we will be there soon Tom -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347964#347964 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:28 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH Matt, The pleasure was all mine! You are the epitome of a Grass Roots Aviator! Gary (Boothe) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Home from Brodhead and OSH I touched down at Twin Rivers Airstrip in Glasgow, VA yesterday about 4 p.m. The flight home was about 12 hours total from Oshkosh, with an overnight in Marion, IN. Weather was beautiful for the entire flight, but I hear I left some messy stuff in OSH that came in yesterday (Wednesday) morning. It was great meeting a lot of you in person that I've felt like I've known through the list for years. Dan, Kevin and Shelly, John, Shad, Gary - Boothe and Bell, Rob, Bill, Greg and a lot of others I look forward to seeing next year, though I probably won't be flying the Piet in again for a few years until my butt heals. Many thanks to Jack Phillips for the use of his prop and his help in getting Nine Mike Lima airborne again after the gear trouble. I think die springs are definitely in the works. Thanks also to Jeff who got Jack and me primo parking for our Piets at Oshkosh right next to the Brown Gate. That was a thrill. Good luck with you project and let me know if I can be of any help as you progress. Blue Skies to all of you. 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