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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Progress (xTrainwrecKx)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Jake's gorgeous engine-turning aluminum firewall results and (Jack)
3. 03:52 AM - Re: skytek struts (carson)
4. 03:52 AM - Departing OSH (Jack)
5. 04:28 AM - Re: Re: skytek struts (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:29 AM - Re: skytek struts (jarheadpilot82)
7. 04:53 AM - Re: skytek struts (carson)
8. 04:54 AM - Re: skytek struts (jarheadpilot82)
9. 06:09 AM - Re: Progress (Gboothe5)
10. 08:03 AM - alternative construction materials (letchik.ivan@gmail.com)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: alternative construction materials (Ben Charvet)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: Progress (aerocarjake)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: off topic queries (shad bell)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: alternative construction materials (mark lee)
15. 09:57 AM - Re: Progress (Jim Boyer)
16. 09:59 AM - Re: off topic queries (Jim Boyer)
17. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: skytek struts (mike Hardaway)
18. 06:03 PM - Re: skytek struts (skellytown flyer)
19. 06:38 PM - Re: skytek struts (carson)
20. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: skytek struts (helspersew@aol.com)
21. 06:59 PM - Re: skytek struts (skellytown flyer)
22. 07:10 PM - Re: skytek struts (skellytown flyer)
23. 07:39 PM - GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Jose Dominguez)
24. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Thrust (Clif Dawson)
25. 09:45 PM - Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Billy McCaskill)
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Mike,
It is looking great! I really like the color and the wood finish. Just more inspiration
for me to get my butt home and start mine. Thanks buddy!
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| Subject: | Re: Jake's gorgeous engine-turning aluminum firewall |
results and
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx , works for
me.
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jake's gorgeous engine-turning aluminum
firewall results and
What is the best firewall for computers to use at home and protect the kids?
I need to install a good firewall system at home to protect the kids from
all the internet dangers. Which are the best ones? Are they free or do you
have to pay for them?
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who loves you
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
sorry guys stupid question,I have searched and found that a few people have used
them,but none of the posts really say what size has been used the large ones
or small ones,
I think the small ones would be ok but not sure
Any info would be great
Carson
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This AM
Do not archive
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Used the small ones.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Finally made it back home from OSH yesterday
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From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:53 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skytek struts
sorry guys stupid question,I have searched and found that a few people have
used
hem,but none of the posts really say what size has been used the large ones
or
mall ones,
think the small ones would be ok but not sure
ny info would be great
arson
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Carson,
I looked through the archives and found the following. Hope it helps-
________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: Doyle K. Combs
To: pietenpol-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
DJ ...where did you purchase the skytech strut material? Thanks
Doyle Combs
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh"
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
>
> I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the cabanes
> and the larger for ift struts.
>
> I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient for
> lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he
larger
> struts.
>
> For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long
into
> the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here
>
> http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htm
>
> For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long
> into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut
> forks.
>
> They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all
the
> strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no
> welding is required.
>
> They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rod wooller"
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
>
>
>
> >
> > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline lift
> > struts from Skytek.
> >
> > Is the "small" strut (2.44'x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the
size
> > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the
plans
> ?
> >
> > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?
> >
> > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more
> > questions).
> >
> > Rod Wooller
> > Chidlow
> > Australia
> >
_________________________________
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Thanks for the replies now I am just as confused as one used small and one large.
Dan a question for you I think that I read that you also used a 7075 aluminum bar
threaded for the cub fork end,is that correct?
Someone else said that the fork into the ally was not a good idea,but I am thinking
that if it has worked for you and your aircraft flies it should work for
me,any details of what you used would be great
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Carson,
Drinking my coffee on a Sunday morning, I went on an internet hunt and found the
following website. The Skytek website is up for sale, so I don't quite know
their status.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Gorgeous, Mike! Sure hope you have a hanger lined up!
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress
Well,.... while everyone else had to run off to Brodhead, I got to work on
my airplane. Here's what we have so far. The wing center section is being
covered and the wings themselves will come down from the ceiling to be
covered in the near future. I still have a lot to do with the fuselage
including putting the graphics on the side, but I'm working on it.
Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer and the rest of the west coast builders better get
back to work or I'm going to get in the air first!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | alternative construction materials |
I was wondering if anyone has built a Pietenpol Air Camper or Sky Scout with
materials other than wood or less wood? I know that the Pietenpol was
designed to make use of wood in its construction. There is also a
supplemental plan drawn by Bernard Pietenpol which uses metal tubing to
construct the fuselage.
Has anyone built a Pietenpol using more metal than the original plans called
for? For example using light metal tubing for the tail and stabilizer
section, or perhaps aircraft grade aluminum for the wing ribs or spar, or
maybe sheet aluminum on the leading edge of the wing or in place of plywood
on the fuselage, or any other combination. Would the aircraft weigh more if
constructed in the way I just described? Could a more powerful engine
overcome the added weight of having used heavier construction materials? I
know the L4 / J3 Piper Cub is built with all metal structural components
covered with cloth skin and is powered by a 65 hp Continental engine, so I
am wondering if similar construction technique could be used on a Pietenpol?
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: alternative construction materials |
The J-3 and J-4 both originally had wooden spars and ribs. If you want an al
l metal airplane check out Wag-Aero for their plans/kits for cub like airpla
nes. There are several metal tube Piets oit there, but I havent heard of an
y metal wings
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:00 AM, "letchik.ivan@gmail.com" <letchik.ivan@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone has built a Pietenpol Air Camper or Sky Scout wi
th materials other than wood or less wood? I know that the Pietenpol was de
signed to make use of wood in its construction. There is also a supplementa
l plan drawn by Bernard Pietenpol which uses metal tubing to construct the f
uselage.
>
>
>
> Has anyone built a Pietenpol using more metal than the original plans call
ed for? For example using light metal tubing for the tail and stabilizer se
ction, or perhaps aircraft grade aluminum for the wing ribs or spar, or mayb
e sheet aluminum on the leading edge of the wing or in place of plywood on t
he fuselage, or any other combination. Would the aircraft weigh more if con
structed in the way I just described? Could a more powerful engine overcome
the added weight of having used heavier construction materials? I know the
L4 / J3 Piper Cub is built with all metal structural components covered wit
h cloth skin and is powered by a 65 hp Continental engine, so I am wondering
if similar construction technique could be used on a Pietenpol?
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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Wonderful plane on what looks like a wonderful afternoon....... now I need to quit
reading Matronics and get back down to my shop. thanks for the inspiration...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: off topic queries |
Larry, I forwarded your email to Dad, he is not on the list.- I am going
oveer to visit later today I will Give him your email add.- Glad to hear
you made it safe, We enjoyed catching up with friends and flying.
Untill next time,
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 7/30/11, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic queries
Everybody: Larry is home from his trip to Brodhead. Piet did great, Ford di
d great, Larry did great. All are glad to be home again!!
Gary Bell: please email me off line re: teardrops.
Rick Schreibner: please email me off line re: wood finishing.
Thanks to you all for another wonderful reunion at Brodhead. Got to see all
of you previous friends getting older and met some nice new friends. Adven
tures on the road are still to be had and the Piet is the perfect vehicle i
n which to have them. I was once again introduced to the real America and i
t's inhabitants. Kindnesses were extended to me from many sources as a matt
er of course. It's always nice to reconnect with good people and realize wh
at a bogus outlook I get watching the TV. Ah-h-h-h, I am rejuvenated and it
makes me feel good all over.
Larry W.
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| Subject: | Re: alternative construction materials |
There was a time when I was skeptical about wood.But the more you learn
about it the better it looks.It handles stress cycles very well and with
modern glues and coatings the problems have been mostly solved.The strength
for weight is wonderful if used in a good design.It might be just what you
want.There is a lot of good reading on the subject that you might enjoy.I
used to work on violins and have been amazed at what wood can do.The EAA is
a good source for getting info that will help you choose what you will be
happy with.If you like metal or choose another type aircraft they can help
you find it and build it.Every one I've talked to in the EAA have been
helpful or at least tried.
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On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
> The J-3 and J-4 both originally had wooden spars and ribs. If you want an
> all metal airplane check out Wag-Aero for their plans/kits for cub like
> airplanes. There are several metal tube Piets oit there, but I havent heard
> of any metal wings
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:00 AM, "letchik.ivan@gmail.com" <
> letchik.ivan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone has built a Pietenpol Air Camper or Sky Scout
> with materials other than wood or less wood? I know that the Pietenpol
> was designed to make use of wood in its construction. There is also a
> supplemental plan drawn by Bernard Pietenpol which uses metal tubing to
> construct the fuselage.
>
>
> Has anyone built a Pietenpol using more metal than the original plans
> called for? For example using light metal tubing for the tail and
> stabilizer section, or perhaps aircraft grade aluminum for the wing ribs or
> spar, or maybe sheet aluminum on the leading edge of the wing or in place of
> plywood on the fuselage, or any other combination. Would the aircraft
> weigh more if constructed in the way I just described? Could a more
> powerful engine overcome the added weight of having used heavier
> construction materials? I know the L4 / J3 Piper Cub is built with all
> metal structural components covered with cloth skin and is powered by a 65
> hp Continental engine, so I am wondering if similar construction technique
> could be used on a Pietenpol?
>
>
> Tom
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Wow Mike,
It is looking very good.=C2- I am still=C2- in=C2-South Dakota for an
other 2 to 3 weeks so I think I may not catch you. Gary should be home thou
gh but I think he is behind as well.
Oh well then you can fly up to help me and Gary finish our Piets right?
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: off topic queries |
Larry it was nice to finally meet you at Brodhead. Glad you had a great trip home
and hopefully will see you again next year.
Jim and Arlene
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
The SkyTek struts, spars, ribs and other products can be found here:
http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/index.shtml#comp
They appear to be alive and well.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:27 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Carson,
>
> I looked through the archives and found the following. Hope it helps-
>
> ________________________
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doyle K. Combs
> To: pietenpol-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
>
>
>
> DJ ...where did you purchase the skytech strut material? Thanks
>
> Doyle Combs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ Vegh"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
>
>
> >
> > I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the
> cabanes
> > and the larger for ift struts.
> >
> > I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient
> for
> > lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he
> larger
> > struts.
> >
> > For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long
> into
> > the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here
> >
> > http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htm
> >
> > For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long
> > into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut
> > forks.
> >
> > They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all
> the
> > strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no
> > welding is required.
> >
> > They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...
> >
> >
> > DJ Vegh
> > N74DV
> > Mesa, AZ
> > www.imagedv.com/aircamper
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rod wooller"
> > To:
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline
> lift
> > > struts from Skytek.
> > >
> > > Is the "small" strut (2.44'x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the
> size
> > > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the
> plans
> > ?
> > >
> > > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?
> > >
> > > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more
> > > questions).
> > >
> > > Rod Wooller
> > > Chidlow
> > > Australia
> > >
>
> _________________________________
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Carson I tried to reply earlier to your email address that is shows but it came
back. I finished and am flying the plane D.J . started and it does have the aluminum
struts- front ones 3.130" and rear about 2.445" across the front to back
dimension.I did not stay exactly as he started with the end fittings. I don't
know how much I trust the tear out strength of the aluminum so I extended the
pull area by extending 5/8" wide 4130 strap onto the 2- 1/4" diameter through
bolts and on along the strut a few inches and used 3/16" pop rivets 3 to a
side on each end fitting for my peace of mind and because that is what a Rans
aircraft used to carry the loads and I figured they had done some fairly serious
research into it before marketing theirs.I had just assumed the struts were
the earlier Carlson ones but after seeing the post DJ showed it is apparently
th Skytek. they may have bought them out for all I know. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Thanks Raymond
I have spent hours now reading through all the posts,I am thinking that all the
methods used seem safe and strong enough and it is a matter of personal comfort
with the set up that I use.
Do you have any pictures of your setup?
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Hi Carson,
Yes, I used a J-3 fork threaded into the 7075 aluminum insert, with the sma
ll Skyteck lift struts. My wings are still attached with no ill effects so
far after 25 flight hours. Please contact Larry Williams also for his input
. I unapologetically copied Larry's struts. I thought the same thing. If hi
s wings are still attached, I figured mine would be too.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skytek struts
Thanks for the replies now I am just as confused as one used small and one
arge.
an a question for you I think that I read that you also used a 7075 aluminu
m
ar threaded for the cub fork end,is that correct?
omeone else said that the fork into the ally was not a good idea,but I am
hinking that if it has worked for you and your aircraft flies it should wor
k
or me,any details of what you used would be great
hanks
arson
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
I'll look and see if I can find anything- I am about to pack up the laptop for
a trip out of state for work in the morning -I might find a picture somewhere
i could send to an email address.I just never tried to send any to the list and
really don't know how. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: skytek struts |
Well I found a few pictures of the installation I did with the straps I added-
if you send me your address I'll forward them- I'll try to attach them to this
but I am not sure if it will work. Raymond
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| Subject: | GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Hy everyone:
Can anyone please give me the contact info for the gentleman selling copies of
the GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawing.
Thanks.
Sent from my iPad
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See! I knew you could do it! :-)
Don't forget the vids.
Oh, I think their engines a tad heavier. :-)
Clif
Hi Clif,
I wondered if one of the police cars engines is heavier than a model
A?
We do have really good police presence in our neighborhood so might
have to have a BBQ
block off the street for some taxi tests; or drag race their cop
cars!
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
If you search the archives of this list, the coordinates of the original Piet airfoil,
the Riblett 612 and the 613.5 are posted. It's a simple matter to graph
out the airfoil outline on some large paper with the coordinates provided.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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