---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/02/11: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:27 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (John Franklin) 2. 05:05 AM - Re: alternative construction materials (Jack Phillips) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 4. 05:15 AM - Re: Parting out a Pietenpol (olflyr45) 5. 05:19 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (Jack Phillips) 6. 05:37 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (Dale McCleskey) 7. 06:11 AM - Re: cabanes (Pieti Lowell) 8. 06:32 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (Bill Church) 9. 06:42 AM - Wash Out (Pieti Lowell) 10. 06:50 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (steve@wotelectronics.com) 11. 07:19 AM - Re: cabanes (Bill Church) 12. 08:09 AM - Re: Where to find good, cheap turnbuckles (Michael Perez) 13. 08:10 AM - Re: Wing Strut Cable Length Change (Michael Perez) 14. 08:42 AM - metal bender (Timothy Willis) 15. 09:44 AM - Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (FlyBoy57) 16. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Piet vs. GN-1 (Ryan Mueller) 17. 01:24 PM - Re: metal bender (Bill Church) 18. 01:31 PM - Bob Edson's piet pictures (Dan Yocum) 19. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? (Dan Yocum) 20. 03:04 PM - Re: Bob Edson's piet pictures (Bill Church) 21. 03:58 PM - Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (IT Girl) 22. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (shad bell) 24. 04:42 PM - Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (IT Girl) 25. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? (Dan Yocum) 26. 05:09 PM - Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (IT Girl) 27. 06:35 PM - M.E.R.F.I. Ohio area pieters (shad bell) 28. 07:12 PM - Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (kevinpurtee) 29. 07:53 PM - Does anybody recognize this... (Bill Church) 30. 08:02 PM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (K5YAC) 31. 08:05 PM - Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly (K5YAC) 32. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Jim Markle) 33. 08:19 PM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Bill Church) 34. 09:51 PM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:55 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 Donato, I'm building a GN-1 and I recommend you build the Piet. There is more support for the Piet, and any desirable feature that the GN-1 has can be done on the Piet as a modification. Of course you risk running afoul of the dreaded "Piet Police", but other than that, no problem. I don't think there is much difference as far as flying goes but perhaps someone else can comment on that. Good luck, John F. Richmond, TX -----Original Message----- >From: FlyBoy57 >Sent: Aug 1, 2011 9:34 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 > > >I have all of the Pietenpol plans and just purchased the GN-1 plans. I have read some great posts on the pros and cons of each, but I need more details. I am not 100% sure at this time which airplane I should build. > >Can anyone please tell me why you chose to build and fly the GN-1 over the original Pietenpol? Do they fly the same? Any major cost differences or building skills needed? > >Thanks a bunch, please send me all of your thoughts pros and cons. > >Blue skies, >Donato > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348327#348327 > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:00 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: alternative construction materials All I can say is "Why?" If you want a steel tube airplane, build one. If you want an aluminum airplane, build one. If you want a Pietenpol, build it as close to the plans as possible and you will have a good flying airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of letchik.ivan@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: alternative construction materials I was wondering if anyone has built a Pietenpol Air Camper or Sky Scout with materials other than wood or less wood? I know that the Pietenpol was designed to make use of wood in its construction. There is also a supplemental plan drawn by Bernard Pietenpol which uses metal tubing to construct the fuselage. Has anyone built a Pietenpol using more metal than the original plans called for? For example using light metal tubing for the tail and stabilizer section, or perhaps aircraft grade aluminum for the wing ribs or spar, or maybe sheet aluminum on the leading edge of the wing or in place of plywood on the fuselage, or any other combination. Would the aircraft weigh more if constructed in the way I just described? Could a more powerful engine overcome the added weight of having used heavier construction materials? I know the L4 / J3 Piper Cub is built with all metal structural components covered with cloth skin and is powered by a 65 hp Continental engine, so I am wondering if similar construction technique could be used on a Pietenpol? Tom ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:19 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 Donato, I have some hours in both. They fly virtually the same. I would build a Piet. The Piet has more cachet. Skip > [Original Message] > From: FlyBoy57 > To: > Date: 8/1/2011 10:38:51 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 > > > I have all of the Pietenpol plans and just purchased the GN-1 plans. I have read some great posts on the pros and cons of each, but I need more details. I am not 100% sure at this time which airplane I should build. > > Can anyone please tell me why you chose to build and fly the GN-1 over the original Pietenpol? Do they fly the same? Any major cost differences or building skills needed? > > Thanks a bunch, please send me all of your thoughts pros and cons. > > Blue skies, > Donato > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348327#348327 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Parting out a Pietenpol From: "olflyr45" The guy who owned it got to be in such bad shape that he had to quit flying. We bought it for the engine. Both of us are too big to get in it so we're passing the parts along to people who can use them. That's better than letting it sit somewhere and rot away. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348347#348347 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:04 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 I agree with Skip. I've flown both and they fly virtually identical. The Pietenpol has some advantages that the GN-1 doesn't, and the advantage the GN-1 had at one time (the ability to use then-cheap Cub or Champ parts) no longer applies. Besides, it's cooler to describe your airplane as "the first truly successful homebuilt design, dating from 1929" than "this is sort of a copy of the world's first truly successful homebuilt design, which was done in 1929, but this copy was designed in the late 1950's". Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skipgadd@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 Donato, I have some hours in both. They fly virtually the same. I would build a Piet. The Piet has more cachet. Skip > [Original Message] > From: FlyBoy57 > To: > Date: 8/1/2011 10:38:51 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 > > > I have all of the Pietenpol plans and just purchased the GN-1 plans. I have read some great posts on the pros and cons of each, but I need more details. I am not 100% sure at this time which airplane I should build. > > Can anyone please tell me why you chose to build and fly the GN-1 over the original Pietenpol? Do they fly the same? Any major cost differences or building skills needed? > > Thanks a bunch, please send me all of your thoughts pros and cons. > > Blue skies, > Donato > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348327#348327 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet vs. GN-1 From: "Dale McCleskey" I've got nearly 200 hours on my GN-1 and I love it. Haven't flown a Piet to compare. But I'm no hope for reason. I built (completed) the GN-1 because I found a partially built project and finished it. It was on the gear with a gear, cowl, and engine mount and gas tank off a cub. I've since had to replace the tank (rust) and the gear (had been repaired with inferior tubing), so don't know how much that really saved. If I were starting over I'd choose the long Piet version. One other note is I have the front cockpit door, and while it's controversial on the list, I wouldn't take for it. Have been able to fly a bunch of my more "mature" buddies who would never have been able to climb in without it. -------- Dale McCleskey N7035N Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348349#348349 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cabanes From: "Pieti Lowell" Bill: Great Pictures, and excellent work. I will just touch on the subject lightly once again, Bill Rewey received my initial information from H. Riblett a number of years ago an ask if he could reproduce to others, I suggested he get in touch with Harold R. to pursue his thoughts. I do not know if Bill flew a Riblett airfoil. Bill Church with his back ground, In my opinion has a good idea of the 11/16" dimension to get the 1 degree that Harold said is the angle required for his foil, I think that the proper angle would depend on the power you have up front and the speed you are comfortable with. I like around 80 and that requires less angle than 65 MPH. Why I suggested same length, with 0200 Keep in mind that when I received my Engineering Degree, the Freiden Machine required a week-end to produce formulas to allow my Thesis to be accepted At IIT. On the torsional Vibrations of a V 6 Diesel crankshaft, when it was never conceived as practical. Thank God we never relied on the computer, or we may be on Mars by now. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348352#348352 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet vs. GN-1 From: "Bill Church" Donato, You have both sets of plans, so you should be able to see the differences between the two designs. While I don't have a set of GN-1 plans, the "improvements" that I have been able to discern don't seem to fall within the definition of that word. The most noticable changes are: 1. Plywood fuselage side skins run all the way back to the tailpost, rather than stopping at the rear cockpit. This feature adds strength and weight where it is not needed - why bother?. 2. The use of Piper Cub landing gear. Surplus Cub landing gear is no longer readily available, so IF you can find a set, they will not be cheap. But more importantly, the landing gear attach points do not line up with the rear lift strut attach points. Structurally, this does not make sense, and aesthetically it isn't right either. So, if you will need to build your own gear, why not make a set of gear that was designed for the plane that you're building, as opposed to building a replica of landing gear that was designed for a different plane. 3. Different cabane strut mounting brackets. For some reason, Grega redesigned the mounting brackets for the cabane attachments, and in doing so, eliminated the possibility of tilting the cabanes fore or aft, for W&B adjustment. As a result, the GN-1 does not offer much ability to compensate for CG that varies from the norm, other than adding ballast, or building a new motor mount. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol design is the ability to tilt the cabanes, and effectively move the wing back (actually, it moves the entire fuselage forward) to account for tail heaviness. This is a far superior method than adding ballast in the nose or tail. So, from a design perspective, I personally cannot see any benefit of these three "improvements". And, since the feedback from pilots that have flown both seems to indicate no noticeable difference in flight characteristics, one would have to wonder why one would choose the GN-1 over the Pietenpol plans. I think that the reason why many builders chose the GN-1 over the Pietenpol was that for many years, the GN-1 plans were only $25, whereas the Pietenpol plans were two or three times that price. However, a savings of $25 or $50 on the overall cost of an aircraft is extremely insignificant, and really should not have been a deciding factor. But people can be funny sometimes. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348359#348359 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wash Out From: "Pieti Lowell" It is important that a little wash-out is necessary in order to make nice gentle stalls and good landings. Some of the wings that I saw at Brodhead had no washout, gap-seals are necessary but do not take the place of washout. I suggest 1/2" to1.0" if there is no dihedral, it makes a great difference during the stall. As the stall moves outward the stability increases when control decreases. If wash-out is applied to the wing, is the angle of incident required to be also changed ? Has anyone read the article about the adjustable angle of incident airplane that was featured in the 30's ? I read it many years ago and don't remember all the facts. That is the price one pays for getting in their 80's. You all will have to deal with it one day , so take notes. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348360#348360 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:24 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 I have a GN-1, built (finished) in 1983. It has about 700 hours total time on it, about 400 of those are mine. I've also flow "true" Piets, and they fly nearly identical. My wing does have negative camber, and to me is visually identical to the Piet wing. The wing is much higher than the Piet, which makes getting in and out much easier. However, I wonder if this doesn't slow my plane down due to the elevator being trimmed down to counteract the up-pitching moment from the wing's drag being so far above the cg & thrustline (in addition to the up-pitching moment of the wing itself). My plane has a J3 cowl and a modified J3 gear. I like the Jenny gear far better, and a lot of the custom Piet cowls look more antique than mine. It is a really good plane, well built, reliable, and no serious flaws or bad flight characteristics. I got a little too close to a small thunderstorm cell once, trying to sneak around it and scared myself nearly to death. The turbulence ripped the gap seals off the elevators and jerked me hard into the straps for a few minutes but the plane held together (as Axle says, "I didn't like it much"). The Cub gear is indestructible on a plane this light. With the big tires I can land on any terrain...I am confident the fuselage would break before the gear. It is really fun to fly and as far as nearly anyone else knows, it is an antique. But I know better...I wish it was a Piet. Even so, I'd say it is about 90% Piet. It draws a crowd at any fly-in, but probably wouldn't at Broadhead where everyone knows better...I intend to make it one day. When I bought it I had about 75 hours of total flight time...I didn't know much. 7 years later, I know a little more about antiques. I'm waiting for Mike Cuy to die so I can buy his Piet, unless he'll trade it for a GN-1 straight up, right now. I will even throw in a ride with the 2nd greatest flyer in the world. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:57 -0400, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > I agree with Skip. I've flown both and they fly virtually identical. > The > Pietenpol has some advantages that the GN-1 doesn't, and the > advantage the > GN-1 had at one time (the ability to use then-cheap Cub or Champ > parts) no > longer applies. > > Besides, it's cooler to describe your airplane as "the first truly > successful homebuilt design, dating from 1929" than "this is sort of > a copy > of the world's first truly successful homebuilt design, which was > done in > 1929, but this copy was designed in the late 1950's". > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > skipgadd@earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 > > > > Donato, > I have some hours in both. They fly virtually the same. I would build > a > Piet. The Piet has more cachet. > Skip > > >> [Original Message] >> From: FlyBoy57 >> To: >> Date: 8/1/2011 10:38:51 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet vs. GN-1 >> >> >> >> I have all of the Pietenpol plans and just purchased the GN-1 plans. >> I > have read some great posts on the pros and cons of each, but I need > more > details. I am not 100% sure at this time which airplane I should > build. >> >> Can anyone please tell me why you chose to build and fly the GN-1 >> over > the original Pietenpol? Do they fly the same? Any major cost > differences > or building skills needed? >> >> Thanks a bunch, please send me all of your thoughts pros and cons. >> >> Blue skies, >> Donato >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348327#348327 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cabanes From: "Bill Church" Bob, That is very impressive progress for one year. Wow. Just to be clear, when you say you were told to make the cabanes the same length, do you mean the same length as the Pietenpol plans show, or the same length front and back? I was mentioned in a couple of replies to your question, so I thought I should chime in. First, a disclaimer; I have built standard Pietenpol airfoil ribs for my plane, not Riblett airfoil ribs. The calculations that I did were in response to some questions that came up here on the List, and are theoretical - not proven. However, they seem to make sense, and appear to be in concurrence with Lowell's real-world experience. As far as we know, Lowell has the only flying example of an Air camper with the Riblett wing. Here's a link to the calculations: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336915&highlight=#336915 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348367#348367 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:17 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to find good, cheap turnbuckles Thank you, however, since one of the 8 are broke, it would not really help me. That's too bad...your plane with those wires would have been sweet. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 8/1/11, John Kuhfahl wrote: From: John Kuhfahl Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to find good, cheap turnbuckles There are of course 8 wires--a left and right thread on each end--that is 1 6 threads. I got 12 threads free, 3 still frozen, and broke one off.- I w as very gentle, but it broke. One of the wires is also pitted. I was going to try to "save" these, but when one broke, I gave up. But sure, I might co nsider giving these up if you want to mess with them. =0A On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Michael Perez w rote: =0AJohn, if there is a way for you to remove the flying wires intact, (say without cutting them off), I would be interested in having them. Assuming y ou plan on throwing them away, we can work out a deal. =0A Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:14 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Strut Cable Length Change Understood. I'll wait until the rest of the plane is together and the final wing location is determined. Thanks for the intell. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal bender From: Timothy Willis I have shown a couple of fellow Piet builders my little metal bender. They liked it. , esp. Others may be interested. It comes from Lee Valley Tools, a great source for many things. Here is a link to the item, priced at $22.50: http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32011&cat=1,43456,43407 I have a Harbor Freight 18 inch brake for longer pieces, esp. aluminum sheet, but for steel I really like the controllability and leverage I get with this item in my big vise. I bent up all the control horns using the Lee Valley item, but not using the sharp male side. (Looking at a picture will make more sense.) I used only the "V" female side in that application, with various punches or round bars on the other side, to impart radiused bends instead of sharp bends. (Then I hammered the piece a lot with a big rubber hammer, to soften the many minor bends into something smoother.) On all the other pieces with straight bends, the rig works well out of the box, even on .090 in. thick 4130 steel. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet vs. GN-1 From: "FlyBoy57" First I want to thank all of you who posted a response I really appreciate your thoughts. I'm staying with the original Pietenpol plans. The support for this airplane is overwhelming and that's important to me. You guys are the greatest, thanks again. I'm sure I will post more questions as I move along. Ordering the spruce wood today from Aircraft Spruce. Oh, I do want to mention I attended Jack's presentation at Oshkosh and he helped me out there too. Kudos to Jack. I also attended the EAA Woodworking Workshop and learned allot there too. Thanks again, Blue skies, Donato Future Pietenpol builder/owner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348390#348390 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet vs. GN-1 From: Ryan Mueller Yet another reason to avoid putting in a front door: "Sorry Hank, you're too big and stove up to get in, but I can fly your lovely granddaughter just fine" do not archive On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Dale McCleskey wrote: > dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > > I've got nearly 200 hours on my GN-1 and I love it. Haven't flown a Piet to > compare. But I'm no hope for reason. I built (completed) the GN-1 because I > found a partially built project and finished it. It was on the gear with a > gear, cowl, and engine mount and gas tank off a cub. I've since had to > replace the tank (rust) and the gear (had been repaired with inferior > tubing), so don't know how much that really saved. If I were starting over > I'd choose the long Piet version. One other note is I have the front cockpit > door, and while it's controversial on the list, I wouldn't take for it. Have > been able to fly a bunch of my more "mature" buddies who would never have > been able to climb in without it. > > -------- > Dale McCleskey > N7035N > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348349#348349 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal bender From: "Bill Church" Tim, I have the exact same tool. It is very handy for bending small parts. I found the surface texture of the dies to be a bit rough, so I smoothed them and put a little bit of a radius on the male die (using a file). The actual radius achieved in bending depends more on the alloy and thickness of the material and the opening dimension of the female die than it does on the radius of the male die. That's just the nature of bending metal. Of course, if the metal being bent is soft, the radius becomes more important. Lee Valley sure makes some nice woodworking tools. Bill C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348422#348422 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:47 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bob Edson's piet pictures Bob sent me some pictures of his plane which he's agreed to let me forward to the list. In his former lives he's been a cabinet maker and fine instrument artisan and it really shows in the quality of his work. It's outstanding quality in my humble opinion. I see hints of Helsper and Cardinal in his project, too. He'll hang the wings in a couple of weeks and start covering soon after that. I suspect we'll see him at Brodhead, next year. Enjoy! Dan ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:51 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? They replied to my email sent through TAP. $3.50 per spring/brush. $17 for 2 sets plus s&h. Can't be beat. Thanks, Dan On 08/01/2011 09:38 PM, Don Emch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Definitely call them. Great people to deal with but they just don't do "modern". You can just describe to them what you need over the phone and they'll send it out. They don't do Visa. Just check or C.O.D. If you are in a bind you can tell them and usually they will send it out before they receive the payment. I've bought a lot of stuff from them...always good quality. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Great to hear everyone has made it home safe! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348329#348329 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bob Edson's piet pictures From: "Bill Church" Nice! Just wondering how anyone could accomplish all of that work, with that level of workmanship, in just one year. Amazing. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348438#348438 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly From: "IT Girl" I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with all of you. A great time was had by all, often at my expense! I look forward to next year! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348443#348443 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? From: helspersew@aol.com Were those S&H Green Stamps? ................Sorry, showing my age. (You DI D say that they didn't do modern) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Tue, Aug 2, 2011 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? They replied to my email sent through TAP. $3.50 per spring/brush. $17 or 2 sets plus s&h. Can't be beat. Thanks, an n 08/01/2011 09:38 PM, Don Emch wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" Definitely call them. Great people to deal with but they just don't do modern". You can just describe to them what you need over the phone and hey'll send it out. They don't do Visa. Just check or C.O.D. If you are in a ind you can tell them and usually they will send it out before they receive the ayment. I've bought a lot of stuff from them...always good quality. Don Emch NX899DE P.S. Great to hear everyone has made it home safe! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348329#348329 -- an Yocum ermilab 630.840.6509 ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:40 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly We will all have to pitch in again next time for some nice mellons. - Shad for God's sake do not archive! --- On Tue, 8/2/11, IT Girl wrote: From: IT Girl Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with all of you.- A great time was had b y all, often at my expense! I look forward to next year! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348443#348443 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly From: "IT Girl" I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with all of you. A great time was had by all, often at my expense! I look forward to next year! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348445#348445 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:35 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? I asked - they don't accept green stamps. Strangely, they would accept Canad ian Tire Dollars... ;-) Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 2, 2011, at 6:18 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Were those S&H Green Stamps? ................Sorry, showing my age. (You D ID say that they didn't do modern) > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Yocum > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tue, Aug 2, 2011 3:47 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: source for Eisemann magneto parts? > > > They replied to my email sent through TAP. $3.50 per spring/brush. $17 > for 2 sets plus s&h. Can't be beat. > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 08/01/2011 09:38 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > > > Definitely call them. Great people to deal with but they just don't do > "modern". You can just describe to them what you need over the phone and > they'll send it out. They don't do Visa. Just check or C.O.D. If you ar e in a > bind you can tell them and usually they will send it out before they recei ve the > payment. I've bought a lot of stuff from them...always good quality. > > > > Don Emch > > NX899DE > > > > P.S. Great to hear everyone has made it home safe! > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348329#348329 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly From: "IT Girl" I come fully stocked!.....stacked? Whatever -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348453#348453 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: M.E.R.F.I. Ohio area pieters Anyone planning on flying to the Mid Eastern Reg. Fly-in at Urbana Ohio (Gr imes Field)-this year?- I will probably head over on Saturday sept 10th .- They are restoring a B-17 there and have a little museum with a B-25 a nd A-26 and snj etc.- I hope a few of you can make it.- Mike C., Don E. , Frank P.-Mr. Emo,-and others, if you want to stop off here (or somewh ere along the route)-on the way and fly over as a group that would be fun .- It is close enough that you could fly over and back in a day and sleep well in your own bed that night.- It would be a good cap on a good flyin g season, I don't think the boss will allow me to make Lee Bottom this year , My honey do list just got bigger after returning from Brodhead. - Let me know, Shad ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly From: "kevinpurtee" I am blessed:). do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348462#348462 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Does anybody recognize this... From: "Bill Church" Picture taken at Brodhead 2011. Anyone recognize this ... gentleman? do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348469#348469 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/unknown_830.jpg ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Does anybody recognize this... From: "K5YAC" The hat says Markle. LOL! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348471#348471 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Great big Thank You To Kevin and Shelly From: "K5YAC" Indeed you are. kevinpurtee wrote: > I am blessed:). > > do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348472#348472 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:53 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Does anybody recognize this... I was wondering where my hat was. If anyone can figure out who that bafoon is...please let me know!!! Looks like I'm taking parts off Jack's....no, I won't go there. Thank you Bill -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Aug 2, 2011 10:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Does anybody recognize this... > > >The hat says Markle. LOL! > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348471#348471 > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Does anybody recognize this... From: "Bill Church" Oh, hey! I didn't even notice that there was an airplane in the background. It was mostly obscured. Nice to have the clothes match the plane. BC do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348474#348474 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Does anybody recognize this... From: "K5YAC" Nevermind the airplane... YEAH baby... Yeah! Bill Church wrote: > Oh, hey! I didn't even notice that there was an airplane in the background. It was mostly obscured. > Nice to have the clothes match the plane. > > BC > > do not archive. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348479#348479 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.