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1. 04:43 AM - Re: metal bender (womenfly2)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Dan Yocum)
3. 08:52 AM - brake cables (Richard Schreiber)
4. 09:08 AM - Re: brake cables (gboothe5@comcast.net)
5. 09:13 AM - Re: brake cables (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: brake cables (Ben Charvet)
7. 10:06 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Jim Markle)
8. 10:21 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Dan Yocum)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (kevinpurtee)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (K5YAC)
11. 11:58 AM - Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Bill Church)
12. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Does anybody recognize this... (mark lee)
13. 02:32 PM - brake cables (Richard Schreiber)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Michael Silvius)
15. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Greg Cardinal)
16. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Does anybody recognize this... (Ryan Mueller)
17. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (bkemike@gmail.com)
18. 04:30 PM - Fw: Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (helspersew@aol.com)
19. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Does anybody recognize this... (mark lee)
20. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Ben Charvet)
21. 07:45 PM - Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (kevinpurtee)
22. 10:16 PM - Re: Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. (Ryan Mueller)
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Subject: | Re: metal bender |
Remember the minimum inside radius, when bending 4130, is equal to its thickness.
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Something from the Peanut Gallery over here...
do not archive
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Question for those that are using mechanical drum or band brakes. What diameter
cable are you using? 1/16" stranded cable and sheaths are readilly available
from bicycle shops, but is this to thin?
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: brake cables |
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Subject: | Re: brake cables |
Hi Rick,
I used the 1/16th stranded cable. Seems to work fine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:52 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake cables
Question for those that are using mechanical drum or band brakes. What diam
eter cable are you using? 1/16" stranded cable and sheaths are readilly ava
ilable from bicycle shops, but is this to thin?
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: brake cables |
I used 1/16 cable and sheaths from ASS. Ive had one brake come apart but no p
roblems with the cables in 85 hours
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
> That's what I have, but it's untested.
>
> Gary
> Sent on the Sprint=C3=86 Now Network from my BlackBerry=C3=86
>
> From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:49:48 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake cables
>
>
>
> Question for those that are using mechanical drum or band brakes. What dia
meter cable are you using? 1/16" stranded cable and sheaths are readilly ava
ilable from bicycle shops, but is this to thin?
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
This is a proud moment for me....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2011 10:16 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Does anybody recognize this...
>
>Something from the Peanut Gallery over here...
>
>do not archive
>
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Jim,
It's a running internal battle that I have - do I remain polite and let
the opportunity slip quietly past, or do I go for the cheap laugh that
might possibly offend someone?
Usually, I go for the cheap laugh.
I know that I'm going to burn in hell.
Sincerely and always respectfully yours,
Big Nose
;-)
On 08/03/2011 12:04 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> This is a proud moment for me....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>
>> Sent: Aug 3, 2011 10:16 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Does anybody recognize this...
>>
>> Something from the Peanut Gallery over here...
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
"Do these shorts make my butt look big?"
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Where is Hofmann? That would be a great shot for a coffee cup... er, better make
that a mug! Probably sell like hot cakes!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Why fight it, Dan? It's not worth the stress.
Oh, and for the record, I didn't identify the subject of the photo. I didn't really
think anyone would be able to identify a photo of an ... uh, I mean a photo
without a face.
On the other hand, isn't it nice that nobody is talking about you "markling" things
anymore, Jim. Glad to be of assistance.
BC
(someone's going to get me for this)
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
When I was asking about the need for a Riblett, why didn't you guys just
show me the proof of the Piet airfoils capability! A picture is worth a
thousand words.Thanks for finally showing us the big picture.It's about
time.
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Why fight it, Dan? It's not worth the stress.
>
> Oh, and for the record, I didn't identify the subject of the photo. I
> didn't really think anyone would be able to identify a photo of an ... uh, I
> mean a photo without a face.
>
> On the other hand, isn't it nice that nobody is talking about you
> "markling" things anymore, Jim. Glad to be of assistance.
>
> BC
>
> (someone's going to get me for this)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348527#348527
>
>
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Gary, Dan and Ben.....
Thanks for the response. I'll be going with the 1/16 inch brake cables.
Rcik Schreiber
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Subject: | re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Jose:
Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
Saludos:
Michael
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Subject: | Re: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Mr. Riblett's comments on the stall characteristics of the original
Pietenpol airfoil are complete rubbish.
Watch Jeff Boatright's youtube videos demonstrating stalls for one
example of mild stalls.
The stall characteristics of NX18235 are equally mild. There is nothing
sudden or unsafe when stalling a Pietenpol.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Silvius
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings.
Jose:
Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
Saludos:
Michael
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Why didn't you look at 80+ years of empirical evidence?
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:17 PM, mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I was asking about the need for a Riblett, why didn't you guys just
> show me the proof of the Piet airfoils capability! A picture is worth a
> thousand words.Thanks for finally showing us the big picture.It's about
> time.
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
>
>> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>>
>> Why fight it, Dan? It's not worth the stress.
>>
>> Oh, and for the record, I didn't identify the subject of the photo. I
>> didn't really think anyone would be able to identify a photo of an ... uh, I
>> mean a photo without a face.
>>
>> On the other hand, isn't it nice that nobody is talking about you
>> "markling" things anymore, Jim. Glad to be of assistance.
>>
>> BC
>>
>> (someone's going to get me for this)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348527#348527
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Airfoil characteristics are profoundly affected by planform/aspect ratio,
washout/twist, adjacent bodies such as struts, radiators, etc. Obviously,
many years of successful flying trump some early computer analysis. I have
flown, safely and happily, in airplanes with sharp leading edges and thin
sections that had horrible AIRFOIL characteristics but quite controllable
AIRPLANE characteristics.
To call a serious scientific investigation of an airfoil into doubt because
your airplane behaves in a way that, to your non-scientific observation, is
inconsistent with the results of the investigation, is like saying lead
paint can't be dangerous because your grandma safely drove a Buick.
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Subject: | re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Why all this discussion of Riblett and other airfoils? I don't get it. Chec
k out this vid from The Great Jim Markle, Brodhead 2011, at 3:00 min and 5:
00 min. First one is a Ford Model A and the second is Kevin's proven 85 hor
se Corvair. Both climb like a rocket on a hot summer day. What more does on
e want from a Piet? http://youtu.be/DjY0YVsjc7U
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings.
Jose:
Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
Saludos:
Michael
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings.
Jose:
Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
Saludos:
Michael
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Subject: | Re: Does anybody recognize this... |
Not as much fun as you guys are having with the picture I suppose.
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why didn't you look at 80+ years of empirical evidence?
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:17 PM, mark lee <mlmarkelee7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When I was asking about the need for a Riblett, why didn't you guys just
>> show me the proof of the Piet airfoils capability! A picture is worth a
>> thousand words.Thanks for finally showing us the big picture.It's about
>> time.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
>>
>>> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>>>
>>> Why fight it, Dan? It's not worth the stress.
>>>
>>> Oh, and for the record, I didn't identify the subject of the photo. I
>>> didn't really think anyone would be able to identify a photo of an ... uh,
I
>>> mean a photo without a face.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, isn't it nice that nobody is talking about you
>>> "markling" things anymore, Jim. Glad to be of assistance.
>>>
>>> BC
>>>
>>> (someone's going to get me for this)
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348527#348527
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Have to agree with you Greg
Ben
On 8/3/2011 6:19 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
> Mr. Riblett's comments on the stall characteristics of the original
> Pietenpol airfoil are complete rubbish.
> Watch Jeff Boatright's youtube videos demonstrating stalls for one
> example of mild stalls.
> The stall characteristics of NX18235 are equally mild. There is
> nothing sudden or unsafe when stalling a Pietenpol.
> Greg Cardinal
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Silvius <mailto:silvius@gwi.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:00 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings.
>
> Jose:
> Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
> Saludos:
> Michael
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
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Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
And I've gotta go with you, Ben.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348562#348562
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Subject: | Re: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings. |
Careful Dan....you've gotten by since you're so properly sized...you're
almost the IT Boy of the skies. I'm afraid if you put someone in the front
pit that you may not get off the ground. I mean, good lord man, it's an
FC-10! You want to dance with the devil fine....don't bring others into it!
As an aside....she's damn pretty.....too bad some Virginan didn't think of
that paint scheme first.... ;-)
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
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> Why all this discussion of Riblett and other airfoils? I don't get it.
> Check out this vid from The Great Jim Markle, Brodhead 2011, at 3:00 min and
> 5:00 min. First one is a Ford Model A and the second is Kevin's proven 85
> horse Corvair. Both climb like a rocket on a hot summer day. What more does
> one want from a Piet? http://youtu.be/DjY0YVsjc7U
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:05 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: GA 30-613.5 airfoil drawings.
>
> Jose:
>
> Found these in my stash of goodies, hope they help...
>
> Saludos:
>
> Michael
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