---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/06/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - C85-12 on eBay (Jack) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: 1911 pusher, and piet (womenfly2) 3. 09:40 AM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Dan Yocum) 4. 10:15 AM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Jack Phillips) 5. 10:44 AM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (mark lee) 6. 10:58 AM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Wayne Bressler) 7. 12:04 PM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Jack Phillips) 8. 12:39 PM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Gary Boothe) 9. 12:45 PM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Gary Boothe) 10. 12:51 PM - Re: C85-12 on eBay (Dan Yocum) 11. 08:02 PM - Spins (GliderMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:25 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220825189872&s sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1911 pusher, and piet From: "womenfly2" In the first video you can see the "Johnson Airspeed Indicator" on the strut that Bob purchased from me, cool! -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348732#348732 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:29 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? Dan On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220825189872&s > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > Jack > DSM > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 and C90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts are 10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for all these engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts are different. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the engine mount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the A65 used. So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of both worlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turn so fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliability Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? Dan On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220825189872&s > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > Jack > DSM > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay From: mark lee That sounds like a nice set up.How does the weight compare to a corvair? On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 and > C90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts > are > 10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for all > these engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts are > different. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the engine > mount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the > A65 > used. > > So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of both > worlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turn > so fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliability > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:38 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay > > > Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? > > Dan > > On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220825189872&s > > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > > > Jack > > DSM > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay From: Wayne Bressler They weigh about the same, until the crank snaps on the corvair and you lose all that dead weight from the prop! ;^) Okay, cheap shot, I know. I have no clue what each weighs, so please ignore what I just said. Do not archive Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Aug 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, mark lee wrote: > That sounds like a nice set up.How does the weight compare to a corvair? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:19 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay An A65 weighs 167 lbs. A C85 weighs 182 lbs without starter or generator. A Corvair weighs somewhere between 210 and 220 lbs and generates 100 -120 hp. However, that horsepower is not as usable as the hp produced at lower rpm by the Continental. Lower RPM for the same power implies higher torque and the ability to swing a larger diameter prop and move a larger column of air. This is exactly why a Curtiss OX-5 engine which only produced 90 hp could fly something as heavy as a Curtiss Jenny, weighing over 1900 lbs. I doubt if a Corvair could get a Jenny off the ground (nor could a C85) where the OX-5, generating its 90 hp at only 1400 rpm could swing a large prop and make very effective use of its limited horsepower. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark lee Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay That sounds like a nice set up.How does the weight compare to a corvair? On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 and C90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts are 10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for all these engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts are different. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the engine mount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the A65 used. So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of both worlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turn so fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliability Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? Dan On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=220825189872&s > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > Jack > DSM > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:18 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay .or, for a more scientific test and results, one could read this: http://www.flycorvair.com/thrust.html Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay An A65 weighs 167 lbs. A C85 weighs 182 lbs without starter or generator. A Corvair weighs somewhere between 210 and 220 lbs and generates 100 -120 hp. However, that horsepower is not as usable as the hp produced at lower rpm by the Continental. Lower RPM for the same power implies higher torque and the ability to swing a larger diameter prop and move a larger column of air. This is exactly why a Curtiss OX-5 engine which only produced 90 hp could fly something as heavy as a Curtiss Jenny, weighing over 1900 lbs. I doubt if a Corvair could get a Jenny off the ground (nor could a C85) where the OX-5, generating its 90 hp at only 1400 rpm could swing a large prop and make very effective use of its limited horsepower. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark lee Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay That sounds like a nice set up.How does the weight compare to a corvair? On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 and C90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts are 10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for all these engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts are different. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the engine mount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the A65 used. So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of both worlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turn so fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliability Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? Dan On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=220825189872&s > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > Jack > DSM > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:48 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay .or, for a more scientific test and results: http://www.flycorvair.com/thrust.html Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay An A65 weighs 167 lbs. A C85 weighs 182 lbs without starter or generator. A Corvair weighs somewhere between 210 and 220 lbs and generates 100 -120 hp. However, that horsepower is not as usable as the hp produced at lower rpm by the Continental. Lower RPM for the same power implies higher torque and the ability to swing a larger diameter prop and move a larger column of air. This is exactly why a Curtiss OX-5 engine which only produced 90 hp could fly something as heavy as a Curtiss Jenny, weighing over 1900 lbs. I doubt if a Corvair could get a Jenny off the ground (nor could a C85) where the OX-5, generating its 90 hp at only 1400 rpm could swing a large prop and make very effective use of its limited horsepower. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark lee Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay That sounds like a nice set up.How does the weight compare to a corvair? On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Yes, according to the drawings I have, the A65, A75 and the C75, C85 and C90-12 all use the same mounts. Upper mounts are 7" apart, lower mounts are 10-1/2" apart and the vertical spacing of the mounts is 11-9/16" for all these engines. The O-200 uses the same spacing but the mounts are different. The C90-14, C90-16 and O-200 use Lord bushings in the engine mount, all the earlier models use the standard conical bushings like the A65 used. So go for it, Dan. Put that C85 in your Pietenpol and get the best of both worlds - Corvair like power (better, actually since it doesn't need to turn so fast and can swing a longer prop) and Continental reliability Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay Does anyone know if a C-85 fit on the same motor mount as an A-65? Dan On 08/06/2011 06:24 AM, Jack wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=220825189872&s > sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123 > > Jack > DSM > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C85-12 on eBay From: Dan Yocum Hm. Tempting. Very tempting. Unfortunately, the remodeling projects we just completed dipped a bit farther into our checking account than I anticipated. I'd guesstimate that my A-65 with ~500 hrs SMOH would offset a good portion of the C-85, though. And I reckon I could keep the McCauley 74-42 prop I have for the time being... Yes, it's tempting all right. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spins From: "GliderMike" Does anyone spin their Piet? Is the general consensus the airframe is strong enough to do 1 or 2 turn spins, if you don't get drastic with it. When Beech and Piper came out with the Skipper and Tomahawk, they were originally supposed to be OK to do spins in them, until a couple of tails fell off. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348786#348786 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.