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1. 05:30 AM - Re: Spins (Charles Campbell)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Luggage Pod (Charles Campbell)
3. 06:32 AM - Wise words from a wise man (cjborsuk)
4. 08:35 AM - Engine out (Ozarkflyer)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: Engine out (Jose Dominguez)
6. 10:09 AM - marvel carb (Robert S. Edson)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: marvel carb (Dan Yocum)
8. 10:51 AM - Re: Engine out (Michael Perez)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: marvel carb (Gene Rambo)
10. 11:11 AM - Re: Luggage Pod (Billy McCaskill)
11. 11:23 AM - Re: Luggage Pod (Gerry Holland)
12. 12:58 PM - Re: Engine out (Ozarkflyer)
13. 01:19 PM - Re: Engine out (Charles Campbell)
14. 01:22 PM - Re: Engine out (Charles Campbell)
15. 02:08 PM - Piet for Sale (Lagowski Morrow)
16. 02:27 PM - Re: marvel carb (shad bell)
17. 02:37 PM - Re: Engine out (Hans Van Der Voort)
18. 02:40 PM - Re: Luggage Pod (Billy McCaskill)
19. 04:50 PM - Re: Engine out (tdudley@umn.edu)
20. 05:14 PM - Annual Inspection Checklist (TriScout)
21. 05:26 PM - Re: Annual Inspection Checklist (Jack Phillips)
22. 05:30 PM - Engine out (Kenneth M. Heide)
23. 05:31 PM - Re: Annual Inspection Checklist (Dan Yocum)
24. 07:53 PM - Re: Annual Inspection Checklist (TriScout)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: Engine out (Baldeagle)
26. 08:40 PM - New Crankshafts for Fords (macz@peak.org)
27. 09:33 PM - Re: New Crankshafts for Fords (mark lee)
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Just practice stall recovery. Every spin starts with a stall. If you
can recover from a stall you have already done the important part of
spin recovery. I used to do a spin with a student who was about ready
for solo, just to show him what it was like. I stopped that when one of
my students quit the training because the spin scared the desire to fly
out of him. 2 cents wortth.
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From: mark lee
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spins
Does the Piet behave enough like a cub to be able to practice some
spin recovery and have it translate.It doesn't sound like most Piets are
in any way prone to spinning.Good recovery is a reflex that I want to
have anyway.I will have to start from scratch with the flight
training.So I need to get an idea of what to look for that would help
with a Piet.No doubt about it,I'm going to have a very full dance card
for several years.My goal is to never get a Piet in that situation but
build one that would survive at least in theory.Money,guns,lawyers and
good flight training should help with the other problems,I hope.
Please don't archive.I want them to forget about this in time.
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Graham Hansen
<ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
<ghans@cable-lynx.net>
I'm with Jack Phillips on this one. A few years ago I submitted a
post on this topic and it should be languishing in the archives, so I
'll not repeat it.
I have been flying my Piet for over forty years and have never spun
it. Some reasons:
1. Type-certified production airplanes are built according to a
pretty rigid specification in order that each aircraft will have
predictable and safe flying characteristics, including spin behavior and
spin recovery. One Piper J3, for example, will behave in the same way as
all others of the type, provided they all conform to the original
specification.
2. Homebuilts tend to vary and no two of the same design are exactly
alike.Variations in CG location, rigging and other deviations from the
plans may create problems in spin behaviour and recovery.
3. There is no space for a parachute in my Pietenpol and I am not
inclined to risk losing my airplane by having to abandon it, even if
there was room for both me and a parachute. (Note that the weight of a
parachute would be well aft and could have a bad effect on spin
behavior.)
Back in the 1930s several pilots I knew used to spin Pietenpols with
heavy Ford A engines up front, but these guys were young, lean and light
(also brave!). Presumably the CG was far enough forward or they wouldn't
have been able to tell me about it.
Personally, I will spin a type-certified airplane provided it
conforms to the original type specification and is not placarded against
spinning, but I will not do it with my Pietenpol. If I need spin and
recovery practice I'll use an unmodified Luscombe or Taylorcraft..
Graham Hansen Pietenpol Cf-AUN in wet central Alberta, Canada
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Has anyone seen what?
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From: "Gerry Holland" <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Luggage Pod
> <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
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> Has anyone seen these. Seems to be a Pietenpol on view.
> Regards
> Gerry
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| Subject: | Wise words from a wise man |
In the lated Sport Aviation magazine there is an article written by Dick Vangrunsven
from Van's Aircraft that should be required reading for anyone building
an airplane. He talks about adding weight to the aircraft and making changes to
the plans. Never a hot topic here. ;)
Not sure the link will work, but the article starts on page 96. The story he refers
to in the June edition (p.32), is about a guy who built a beautiful RV-10
(I can't find the link. That website needs some help).
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201108#pg96
Chuck - Manufacturing metal parts in Raleigh NC!
989CB
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Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? Either in
a Piet or any other aircraft.
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I had the left engine quit on takeoff wile flying a Cessna 402 for Cape Air.
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:32 AM, "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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We purchased an 0 200 complete with new mags,a remanufactered marvel
carb with 30 min. run time. It hadn't been run for 2 years and it starts
easy but it has a very bad hesitation when pushing the throttle. The
pump works good and it runs good and sounds good . We put a new kit
($300.00) in it and soaked it for a couple days but it didn't help.Tha
carb is part # 10-4894-1 marvel. We took a carb off a culver cadet and
put it on and it runs beautiful. Does anyone have any suggestions on a
remedy. Thank you,Bob
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Hi Bob,
Check out the following page of collected wisdom of Harry Fenton:
http://bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
In particular search for the term 'Marvel' and you'll find a few
articles regarding these carbs. The one I'm looking at is called "A65
Hesitiation/Miss" (yes, that's a typo). The summary is this:
"You probably have some blocked bleed holes in the carb. If you look
into the carb throat, you will see a series of holes running vertically
in the bore. As the butterfly opens, more of the holes are exposed.
There is an airbleed circuit which provides the transition from idle to
cruise power settings. I'm pretty sure that this is the problem. Could
be that the throttle shaft is too loose in the carb housing and air is
being pulled past the elongated shaft holes. By the way, I'm assuming
that you have a Marvel Schebler MAS carb. The only fix is to get the
carb to a shop to run on a bench."
Best!
Dan
On 08/08/2011 12:06 PM, Robert S. Edson wrote:
> We purchased an 0 200 complete with new mags,a remanufactered marvel
> carb with 30 min. run time. It hadn't been run for 2 years and it starts
> easy but it has a very bad hesitation when pushing the throttle. The
> pump works good and it runs good and sounds good . We put a new kit
> ($300.00) in it and soaked it for a couple days but it didn't help.Tha
> carb is part # 10-4894-1 marvel. We took a carb off a culver cadet and
> put it on and it runs beautiful. Does anyone have any suggestions on a
> remedy. Thank you,Bob
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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I'm suffering from that now...my engine is out. As in out of the plane, as in I
don't have one.
8^[ )
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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before you unblock bleed holes=2C you need to make sure what ones are what.
There is a vent hole in some carburetors that has to be blocked in some a
pplications. If you have ever seen a tailwheel aircraft with a C85 that dr
ipped all the time=2C it is a sure bet the carb came off of an Ercoupe or s
ome other nosewheel (training wheel) type aircraft. The solution is to blo
ck a certain port=2C although I cannot recall how to locate and identify it
. A carb shop could probably help.
Gene
> Date: Mon=2C 8 Aug 2011 12:28:10 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marvel carb
>
>
> Hi Bob=2C
>
> Check out the following page of collected wisdom of Harry Fenton:
>
> http://bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
>
> In particular search for the term 'Marvel' and you'll find a few
> articles regarding these carbs. The one I'm looking at is called "A65
> Hesitiation/Miss" (yes=2C that's a typo). The summary is this:
>
> "You probably have some blocked bleed holes in the carb. If you look
> into the carb throat=2C you will see a series of holes running vertically
> in the bore. As the butterfly opens=2C more of the holes are exposed.
> There is an airbleed circuit which provides the transition from idle to
> cruise power settings. I'm pretty sure that this is the problem. Could
> be that the throttle shaft is too loose in the carb housing and air is
> being pulled past the elongated shaft holes. By the way=2C I'm assuming
> that you have a Marvel Schebler MAS carb. The only fix is to get the
> carb to a shop to run on a bench."
>
> Best!
> Dan
>
>
>
> On 08/08/2011 12:06 PM=2C Robert S. Edson wrote:
> > We purchased an 0 200 complete with new mags=2Ca remanufactered marvel
> > carb with 30 min. run time. It hadn't been run for 2 years and it start
s
> > easy but it has a very bad hesitation when pushing the throttle. The
> > pump works good and it runs good and sounds good . We put a new kit
> > ($300.00) in it and soaked it for a couple days but it didn't help.Tha
> > carb is part # 10-4894-1 marvel. We took a carb off a culver cadet and
> > put it on and it runs beautiful. Does anyone have any suggestions on a
> > remedy. Thank you=2CBob
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> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov=2C http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Gerry, that's a Grega GN-1 in the photo with the pod attached to the wing strut.
Not exactly a Piet, but close. The pod should work on a Piet just as well
as on the GN-1. I don't think that I'd put a lot of heavy stuff in a cargo pod
either on the wing strut or hanging from the belly. I'd restrict it to bulky
but lightweight stuff like sleeping bags, small tent, change of clothes, etc.
Just my $.02.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Billy Hi from UK.
Thanks for clearing up the Piet type aircraft. I'm not from the Piet world but
like them a lot.
Belonging to this Pietenpol List is great as I have a similar age of design Parasol,
The Corben Junior Ace.
I'll send you a picture to keep your spirits up before the conquest of the ribs!
Regards
Gerry
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Michael
I hope you're on the ground.
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I had an engine failure in a Navy SNJ. I think it was carb ice. I dead
stick landed at an auxilliary air field. Restarted the engine and it
checked out fine so I took off and went back to main base. When that engine
quit, man it really got quiet all of a sudden. Don't want it to happen
again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine out
>
> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure?
> Either in a Piet or any other aircraft.
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Yeah, Michael. I'm suffering from that 'engine out' also.
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From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine out
I'm suffering from that now...my engine is out. As in out of the
plane, as in I don't have one.
8^[ )
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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My Piet is still for sale and no reasonable offer will be refused.
Built in 2008. TTAE~55hours. Rebuilt Continental 65. Hand prop. Basic
instruments. Steerable Scott tail wheel. Fly Baby landing gear. 800x6
tires. Hangered. In N.W. Michigan. Was asking $14,750--Jim
Lagowski--231-709-1373 (cell )
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Posibly the wrong size main-jet-is installed, The ma3spa has several di
fferent applications, I think there are different size-venturis for the m
a3spa series as well.- If you can identify what pn's (jets, venturi) are
installed you could look up which pn numbers are supposed to be installed i
n an ilistrated parts catalog.- One more thought, Is it a lean condition
or a overly rich hesitation (loading up).- If it is too rich on throttle
up, one W.A.G., maybe the accelrator pump piston arm (actuation arm-to pist
on connection thingy) is in the wrong hole allowing more fuel to be squirte
d into the venturi (longer stroke), thus flooding it out.
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My 2 cents worth, let us know what fixes it,
Shad
--- On Mon, 8/8/11, Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: Robert S. Edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: marvel carb
We purchased- an 0 200 complete with new mags,a remanufactered marvel car
b with 30 min. run time. It hadn't been run for 2 years and it starts easy
but it has a very bad hesitation when pushing the throttle. The pump works
good and it runs good and sounds good . We put a new kit ($300.00) in it-
and soaked it for a couple days but it didn't help.Tha carb is part # 10-48
94-1 marvel.-We took a carb off a culver cadet and put it on and it runs
beautiful.-Does anyone have any suggestions on a remedy.--Thank you,B
ob
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I did, three weeks after my first flight in my Pietenpol.
Engine out was caused by my flawed fuel system.
I orginally had a 2 1/2 gallon header tank behind the firewall this header
tank was vented in a high pressure area.
While the main tank was vented in low pressure area.
The short of it, when the 2 1/2 gallon Header tank was empty the engine qui
t.
The header tank started filling again when I was stationary on the Ground.
No damage, just a lesson learned.
Needles to say fuel system has been changed.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Ozarkflyer <lragan@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:57 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine out
Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? Eithe
r in
a Piet or any other aircraft.
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i just got back from the Brodhead Piet reunion/ fly-in a few weeks ago, so my spirits
are still quite high Gerry! But the entire Piet list and I are always
suckers for pictures, so send them on! And welcome to the list!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
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I was thirteen in a Quicksilver MX Ultralight. My dad said "always have a landing
spot in mind". Good advice. I even landed with wheels between the bean rows.
First time I remember swearing out loud.
Tom
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| Subject: | Annual Inspection Checklist |
Hello all..
Does anyone use a checklist of items to tackle on an annual conditional inpection?
I'm about to annual the GN-1 w/the help of a DAR. I thought there was once
a list or two floating around the forum a yr or so ago that had some good stuff
on it. Cannot seem to find it in the archives. Thx in advance..
Larry
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| Subject: | Annual Inspection Checklist |
Larry,
This is the list I use for my annual Condition Inspection. It is geared
towards my airplane, which has wire wheels and a straight axle, but should
give you a good starting point.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Annual Inspection Checklist
Hello all..
Does anyone use a checklist of items to tackle on an annual conditional
inpection? I'm about to annual the GN-1 w/the help of a DAR. I thought there
was once a list or two floating around the forum a yr or so ago that had
some good stuff on it. Cannot seem to find it in the archives. Thx in
advance..
Larry
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When I started flying challenger ultralights the first thing I learned was to cut
power at 3 thousand feet and land back at the airport! That airplane could
gulide anywhere! No fear of engine out as it taught me to fly the plane and land
safe.
KMH Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Inspection Checklist |
Larry,
Don't search on "annual". Search on "condition inspection.". Jack posted his, and
someone else posted theirs... I think there are 3 Word docs in the matronics
archives. I'm not near my laptop, so I can't send you one directly.
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:11 PM, "TriScout" <apfelcyber@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello all..
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> Does anyone use a checklist of items to tackle on an annual conditional inpection?
I'm about to annual the GN-1 w/the help of a DAR. I thought there was once
a list or two floating around the forum a yr or so ago that had some good stuff
on it. Cannot seem to find it in the archives. Thx in advance..
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Inspection Checklist |
Thanks..
I printed your stuff Jack. I think that's the one I saw before. There's alot of
good detail in it. Thanks all..
Larry
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13691 with a broken crankshaft, in the beans near Momence, IL in July 2009
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| Subject: | New Crankshafts for Fords |
I just ran across an announcement that SCAT Enterprises, which is
well-known for cranks for racing VWs and lately for newer Ford V-8 blocks,
is now offering Chromoly forged cranks for Model As and Ts.
They are apparently counterweighted, accurately machined and balanced and
micropolished. I assume they are for insert bearings, but the
announcement didn't say one way or the other.
Sound interesting for Ford aficionados who can't find a good, straight,
stock crank.
--Mac in Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: New Crankshafts for Fords |
There have been counter balanced cranks available for Ts for years.They are
made from heat treated Spheroidal Graphite Iron.It is a surprise that this
is new for the A.The T cranks were over 1,400 dollars three years ago.I
don't remember them being drilled.They make a lot of difference to the T
engines bearing life.These Chromoly Forged A Cranks might really be a good
thing.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:37 PM, <macz@peak.org> wrote:
>
> I just ran across an announcement that SCAT Enterprises, which is
> well-known for cranks for racing VWs and lately for newer Ford V-8 blocks,
> is now offering Chromoly forged cranks for Model As and Ts.
>
> They are apparently counterweighted, accurately machined and balanced and
> micropolished. I assume they are for insert bearings, but the
> announcement didn't say one way or the other.
>
> Sound interesting for Ford aficionados who can't find a good, straight,
> stock crank.
>
> --Mac in Oregon
>
>
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