---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/09/11: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Dan Yocum) 2. 05:17 AM - Re: New Crankshafts for Fords (Scott Knowlton) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: Engine out (tools) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (Max Hegler) 5. 08:27 AM - Re: Engine out (Baldeagle) 6. 08:38 AM - Re: Engine out (Ozarkflyer) 7. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (mark lee) 8. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (shad bell) 9. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Engine out (shad bell) 10. 10:14 AM - Re: Wise words from a wise man (dgaldrich) 11. 10:26 AM - Re: Spins (womenfly2) 12. 02:35 PM - three A65-12 engines for sale with all accessories, starters (Dan Yocum) 13. 02:48 PM - Re: Engine out (Don Emch) 14. 05:26 PM - Re: Engine out (Brett Phillips) 15. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Engine out (Dan Yocum) 16. 09:36 PM - Re: Spins (GliderMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:17 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out But, didn't the engine block crack the day before? -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:52 PM, "Baldeagle" wrote: > > 13691 with a broken crankshaft, in the beans near Momence, IL in July 2009 > > > > > > > - > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349000#349000 > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:43 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Crankshafts for Fords Burlington Crank has offered the same for many years. Priced at about $1000.00. Scott Knowlton -----Original Message----- From: macz@peak.org Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Crankshafts for Fords I just ran across an announcement that SCAT Enterprises, which is well-known for cranks for racing VWs and lately for newer Ford V-8 blocks, is now offering Chromoly forged cranks for Model As and Ts. They are apparently counterweighted, accurately machined and balanced and micropolished. I assume they are for insert bearings, but the announcement didn't say one way or the other. Sound interesting for Ford aficionados who can't find a good, straight, stock crank. --Mac in Oregon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: "tools" I probably have 6 or 7 thousand hours, and no engine failures. I've shut a few down in twin engine jets, no big deal at all. Lost ALL my oil in a single engine jet, and had several other problems (took out the hydraulic flight controls, there was a manual back up), but managed to get it on the ground in under ten minutes. The engine ran flawlessly throughout, which I thought was amazing. That thing was cranking some 10K rpms, for ten minutes, with NO oil. Purely an estimate, but I probably have more than 2 thousand hours in simulators... there, on the other hand, I've lost so many engines for a while I wasn't sure I could land a plane with both engines running! I'm new to this light civil aviation thing. It's amazing how much I have to learn, and change my mindset. In the military, where all the above happened, I had an ejection seat. That TOTALLY changes your mindset. In the airlines, I've NEVER had an engine problem ANYWHERE other than on the start. And flying them single engine really is no big deal. Crazy reliable and spoils you. I got a ride in a Bonanza one day. The pilot took off, waited a while, muttered a safe landing could no longer be made and retracted the gear. My whole life, a safe STOP can't even be made quite some time before you even get airborne. Lots of little things like that. Then there's the old B-57 guys and the dreaded SEVEN engine approach! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349019#349019 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:04 AM PST US From: Max Hegler Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out Actually the B-57 only had two engines... of course a flight of four could have had a 7 engine approach... Max > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out > From: n0kkj@yahoo.com > Date: Tue=2C 9 Aug 2011 07:10:59 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I probably have 6 or 7 thousand hours=2C and no engine failures. I've sh ut a few down in twin engine jets=2C no big deal at all. Lost ALL my oil i n a single engine jet=2C and had several other problems (took out the hydra ulic flight controls=2C there was a manual back up)=2C but managed to get i t on the ground in under ten minutes. The engine ran flawlessly throughout =2C which I thought was amazing. That thing was cranking some 10K rpms=2C for ten minutes=2C with NO oil. > > Purely an estimate=2C but I probably have more than 2 thousand hours in s imulators... there=2C on the other hand=2C I've lost so many engines for a while I wasn't sure I could land a plane with both engines running! > > I'm new to this light civil aviation thing. It's amazing how much I have to learn=2C and change my mindset. In the military=2C where all the above happened=2C I had an ejection seat. That TOTALLY changes your mindset. I n the airlines=2C I've NEVER had an engine problem ANYWHERE other than on t he start. And flying them single engine really is no big deal. Crazy reli able and spoils you. > > I got a ride in a Bonanza one day. The pilot took off=2C waited a while =2C muttered a safe landing could no longer be made and retracted the gear. My whole life=2C a safe STOP can't even be made quite some time before yo u even get airborne. Lots of little things like that. > > Then there's the old B-57 guys and the dreaded SEVEN engine approach! > > Tools > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349019#349019 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: "Baldeagle" yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote: > But, didn't the engine block crack the day before? > [/quote] The mag mount cracked the day before, and was welded. It broke again when the crankshaft broke, I think because the jagged halves of the crank were pounding back against the mag drive. Pulling the engine the day before to repair the mag mount, under the proverbial shade tree: - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349027#349027 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: "Ozarkflyer" Actually, having been around a bunch (SAC) of B52's and a few B57's (Viet Nam) there's more than a seven engine difference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349029#349029 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: mark lee Were you able to establish why that crank failed? On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Baldeagle wrote: > baldeagle27@earthlink.net> > > > yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote: > > But, didn't the engine block crack the day before? > > > [/quote] > > The mag mount cracked the day before, and was welded. It broke again when > the crankshaft broke, I think because the jagged halves of the crank were > pounding back against the mag drive. > > Pulling the engine the day before to repair the mag mount, under the > proverbial shade tree: > > > - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349027#349027 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:53 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out The B-52, Man it would be scary to loose an engine in one of those, you wou ld have to shoot the dreaded 7 engine approach. - Shad don't archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:32 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out Well I hate to admit-it but I know how it feels.- Good luck rebuilding her.- Was there any damage to the airframe, engine mount etc?- Hope to see you flying again soon. - Shad --- On Mon, 8/8/11, Baldeagle wrote: From: Baldeagle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out t> 13691 with a broken crankshaft, in the beans near Momence, IL in July 2009 - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349000#349000 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wise words from a wise man From: "dgaldrich" Excellent article. One important point for those of us building "older" designs is that we are forced to do some ad hoc engineering, Case in point, seat belt/shoulder harness. My Hoopman plans show nothing in that area so, like all the rest, I'll have to borrow from others and apply my version of best practice. In all probability, my version will be a TLAR installation but, to the best of my meager knowledge, that's what the young Mr Pietenpol did from the start so at least there's some consistency. TLAR -- That Looks About Right. Absent guidance from the designer at least we have Tony Bingelis for things like fuel system, brakes, electrics (I know, such heresy) and so on. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349044#349044 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spins From: "womenfly2" FAA: Sec. 91.303 Aerobatic flight. No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight-- (a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; (b) Over an open air assembly of persons; (c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport; (d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway; (e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or (f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles. For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight. What are the safety margins designed into the Pietenpol? What is the designed wing loads and stress at designed weight? What does yours weight? Any mod's? .... any questions? -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349046#349046 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:11 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: three A65-12 engines for sale with all accessories, starters Hi all, I just got off the phone with Rob Bach and he informs me that Ray Allen (of the Mooney Mite club) in Camp Verde, AZ has 3 low time A65-12 engines sitting on stands waiting to be installed on a/c. These engines come with carbs, mags, and best of all, starters. Two engines have 600 hrs total time and I think he's asking around $6-7K. One engine has 2000 hrs total time and I think he's asking around $9k because it has new Millenium cylinders. All engines are 0 time SMOH. If anyone is interested, drop me a line off list and I'll help you get the info. Cheers, Dan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: "Don Emch" Wow, Baldeagle ... looks like a real group of "shady" mechanics there if you ask me... Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349054#349054 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out From: "Brett Phillips" I think I recognize several good eggs in that shot. Did Frank ever find out why or where the crank broke? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349069#349069 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:05 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine out Andrew, What kind/size of tires are on 13691. Those things are huge! Dan On 08/09/2011 10:25 AM, Baldeagle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Baldeagle" > > > yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote: >> But, didn't the engine block crack the day before? >> > [/quote] > > The mag mount cracked the day before, and was welded. It broke again when the crankshaft broke, I think because the jagged halves of the crank were pounding back against the mag drive. > > Pulling the engine the day before to repair the mag mount, under the proverbial shade tree: > > > - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349027#349027 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spins From: "GliderMike" I am beginning to think I should never have brought up the subject of spins. It seems spins are more controversial than Corvairs. do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349092#349092 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.