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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (tdudley@umn.edu)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Bill Church)
5. 06:54 AM - Speed not related to Pietenpol (Pieti Lowell)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Bill Church)
7. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Dan Yocum)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Mild Bill)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 08:49 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer (John Kuhfahl)
12. 09:22 AM - instrument panel layout software (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
13. 09:38 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (TOM STINEMETZE)
14. 10:00 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (helspersew@aol.com)
16. 10:14 AM - Young Eagles (John Hofmann)
17. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Gene Rambo)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Dan Yocum)
19. 10:48 AM - Re: Young Eagles (Barry Davis)
20. 10:48 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Ryan Mueller)
21. 10:48 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (airlion)
22. 11:03 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Bill Church)
23. 11:04 AM - Re: Young Eagles (shad bell)
24. 11:06 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software :>( (Daniel Tappan)
25. 11:25 AM - Re: Young Eagles (Jack Phillips)
26. 12:27 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (Jim Markle)
27. 12:38 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (TOM STINEMETZE)
28. 01:50 PM - Re: Young Eagles (John Hofmann)
29. 01:54 PM - Thrust test (Gboothe5)
30. 02:09 PM - Re: Thrust test (Ryan Mueller)
31. 02:27 PM - Re: Thrust test (gboothe5@comcast.net)
32. 02:54 PM - Re: Young Eagles (K5YAC)
33. 03:53 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software :>( (airlion)
34. 04:30 PM - Re: Thrust test (helspersew@aol.com)
35. 04:45 PM - Re: Thrust test (Gboothe5)
36. 05:23 PM - Re: Young Eagles (airlion)
37. 06:02 PM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson)
38. 06:23 PM - Re: Thrust test (Bill Church)
39. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Thrust test (Ryan Mueller)
40. 06:59 PM - Re: Thrust test (gliderx5@comcast.net)
41. 07:12 PM - Re: Thrust test (Gboothe5)
42. 07:48 PM - Re: Young Eagles (tools)
43. 08:21 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (amsafetyc@aol.com)
44. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Young Eagles (Ryan Mueller)
45. 09:57 PM - Tail wheel assembly weight (Oscar Zuniga)
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Tom,
I built the 1 piece wing and scarfed the joint with 1/4"plywood scabs on each side.
The joint is pretty strong. We picked the wing up by the tips and it held
without complaint. Bernard's way worked though. Think about the geometry of it.
The 3 piece wing is a hinged affair and depends totally on struts and cables
for structural integrity. That said IF I were to build another Piet I would
build the 3 piece wing simply because the 1 piece is hard to handle. I am covering
now and the wing is next......stay tuned.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer |
That's not a spacer, it's the horizontal stab. My grandson made me one
just like it.
Stinemetze
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>>> John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper@gmail.com> 8/14/2011 11:41 AM >>>
I am moving along on the Piet restoration. Cleaning, replacing , and
painting. This airplane has a horiz. stab.spacer--guess they needed it. Is
this normal? See attached. Thanks in advance...
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
I just wanted to clarify that I mistakenly said the rear 1" spar isn't routed.
It is but I was looking at the wrong diagram when I posted initially. Sorry.
Tom
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Tom,
The 3-piece wing plan was drawn in 1975, by Vi Kapler. I believe that by that time,
the use of 3/4" solid spars in lieu of routed 1" spars was fairly common.
That is likely the reason why it shows 3/4" spars. There is, however one detail
on the drawing that shows the routed areas, with a note that says "routed spar
only". My interpretation of this is that the plans in general, are drawn for
the use of 3/4" solid spars, but could easily be adapted to accommodate the
use of routed 1" spars. In that case, the thickness of the centersection spars
would be made to match the outboard spars (with adjustments as suggested by
Jack).
On another note, you write that the plans indicate that the front spar should be
routed, and the rear spar should be solid. I assume that you got that impression
from the detail that shows two cross-sections thru the spar (see attached
clip from plans). Those two details are to show the difference between the routed
and non-routed areas of each spar. Both front and rear spars should be routed
the same.
If you want to build a one-piece wing, the center splice should be scarfed in the
1" dimension, as opposed to the 4 3/4" dimension that the plans show. Scarfing
dimensions and techniques should follow AC 43.13-1B.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Speed not related to Pietenpol |
Try this speed record:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/09/aircraft-set-to-shatter-speed-sound/?test=latestnews
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Tom,
Looks like you posted (regarding the routed vs non-routed spars) while I was writing
my post. Please disregard that part of my message.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Jerry,
You scarfed the spar joint per AC 43.13-1B and then added the 1/4" ply
to each side, right?
Dan
On 08/15/2011 06:26 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Tom,
> I built the 1 piece wing and scarfed the joint with 1/4"plywood scabs on each
side. The joint is pretty strong. We picked the wing up by the tips and it held
without complaint. Bernard's way worked though. Think about the geometry of
it. The 3 piece wing is a hinged affair and depends totally on struts and cables
for structural integrity. That said IF I were to build another Piet I would
build the 3 piece wing simply because the 1 piece is hard to handle. I am covering
now and the wing is next......stay tuned.
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol |
That article reminded me of the Snger/Bredt proposal.
http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html
http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Sanger/sanger.htm
http://greyfalcon.us/Sanger.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38oSFwlYhE&feature=related
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Bill Frank
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Subject: | Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol |
Ach! Dos Germans. Vat vill da tink of next?
Stinemetze
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>>> "Mild Bill" <whfrank@charter.net> 8/15/2011 9:48 AM >>>
That article reminded me of the Snger/Bredt proposal.
http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html
http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Sanger/sanger.htm
http://greyfalcon.us/Sanger.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38oSFwlYhE&feature=related
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could
not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer |
I think you have it right--as I said I have a heavy tailwheel there. Just
trying to get all the pieces clean an serviceable before I put it back
together. That piece needs to stay out--I'll work the W&B later. John
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wro
te:
> ** ** **
>
> John,****
>
> ** **
>
> I=92ve never seen a spacer like that on a Pietenpol. Have you run an
> accurate weight and balance on the airplane? My guess is the plane was
> quite tailheavy and they needed more lift out of the tail. If it is that
> tailheavy, you should conisder moving the wing aft to get it somewhere cl
ose
> to the normal CG. Pietenpols tend to be tailheavy, and while the airfoil
> can accommodate cg=92s slightly aft of 33% MAC (20=94 from leading edge)
I
> wouldn=92t push that.****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Kuhfahl
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:41 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> I am moving along on the Piet restoration. Cleaning, replacing , and
> painting. This airplane has a horiz. stab.spacer--guess they needed it.
Is
> this normal? See attached. Thanks in advance...
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, ****Lt** **Col**** USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC****
>
> *
>
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Subject: | instrument panel layout software |
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning,
layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and
accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was
pretty
handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: instrument panel layout software |
John:
Google SketchUp would do the job for you and is pretty easy to learn.
Stinemetze
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>>> <AMsafetyC@aol.com> 8/15/2011 11:18 AM >>>
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument
planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and
accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that
was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a
link.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: instrument panel layout software |
John,
Do ya really think Bernerd used a software program for something as simple
as panel layout???? Here's and idea..........How'bout a pencil, compass, a
nd a large sheet of paper?
Purists unite!
Dan Helsper
"Pur"year TN
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Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of ins
trument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning,
layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible.
Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty h
andy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy, AC43.13-1A. Then AC43.13
-1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center section join
t is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress on the spar ther
e. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:49 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question
et>
Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I
could
ot and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long.
--------
erry Dotson
9 Daniel Johnson Rd
aker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
ing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
sing Lycoming O-235
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Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young
Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport
with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve
Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the
field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of
Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do
every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE
program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This
year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids.
We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of
months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend.
We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The
weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up
and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a
go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom
system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump
(after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from
the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That
was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes
ready to go. =46rom memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33
Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44
and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the
field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to
take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather
challenges we were still able to give 94 rides.
Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit.
Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier
to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE.
Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and
overall was a success as a YE flyer.
It was a blast.
-john-
http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
15:1 would not keep the scarf out from under the fittings=2C which is forbi
dden.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question
From: helspersew@aol.com
For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy=2C AC43.13-1A. Then AC43.
13-1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center section jo
int is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress on the spar th
ere. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN.
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Sent: Mon=2C Aug 15=2C 2011 10:49 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question
et>
Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I
could
not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker=2C FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
wing=2C tailfeathers done=2C fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
I'm sure it's fine - I just misunderstood Jerry to say that he only
created the joint by overlaying the joint with 1/4" ply. My brain
skipped the word "scarf" in his sentence. My bad.
Dan
On 08/15/2011 12:05 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy, AC43.13-1A. Then
> AC43.13-1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center
> section joint is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress
> on the spar there. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1.
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:49 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@centurylink.net <mailto:jdotson@centurylink.net>>
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> Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could
> not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long.
>
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> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
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> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
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John
EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the
Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name for
it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the near
future. Good job on the YE flights.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young
Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with
no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the
Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are
taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really
good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back.
Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a
blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a
chance to hop kids.
We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of
months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We
were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather
started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the
skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel
(my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work
right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons).
While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and
interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up
and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a
PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two
Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a
little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute
ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With
the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides.
Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit.
Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to
load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of
pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was
a success as a YE flyer.
It was a blast.
-john-
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Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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They tried.....but they lost it....again. The first test flight failed a
little while back....they lost this one as it was about to enter the glide
phase.....
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> Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>
> Try this speed record:
>
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> Pieti Lowell
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For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a
crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Gardiner
________________________________
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 12:58:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
John,
Do ya really think Bernerd used a software program for something as simple as
panel layout???? Here's and idea..........How'bout a pencil, compass, and a
large sheet of paper?
Purists unite!
Dan Helsper
"Pur"year TN
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Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning,
layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible.
Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy
in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link.
Thanks
John
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"Goes up, like cannonball.
And comes down...
Like ... cannonball"
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MILF = Mother I Would Like to Fly, Thats a good clean acronym, or possibl
y MILFLY, or possibly, Don't let my wife know or I am gonna get smacked wit
h a frying pan..
Shad
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--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
John
EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the
Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name fo
r it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the nea
r future. Good job on the YE flights.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagl
es at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no
fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the C
ub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are ta
ildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really goo
d to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last
year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a bla
st. We flew 184 kids last year.-This year, I decided to give the Piet a c
hance to hop kids.
We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of mont
hs I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were
supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started t
o break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies.
About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my da
ughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work righ
t. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). Whi
le I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and intervi
ewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and w
e had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12,
Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a R
obinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little close
r to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I
was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the we
ather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides.
Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twel
ve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load
/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pre
tty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a
success as a YE flyer.
It was a blast.
-john-
http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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Gard...I plan to install a corvair in a piet. Bad joke..Bad , Bad joke . Go
nna make WW - scowl- ! ;>)
-------------------------
-------------------------
----------------------- Old m
an..TldrgrDan
For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a
crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Ga
rdiner
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pen and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software downloa
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Very cool, John. I like your idea of MILF Eagles. Glad to see 502 Rocket
getting some flight time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young
Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with
no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the
Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are
taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really
good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back.
Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a
blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a
chance to hop kids.
We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of
months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We
were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather
started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the
skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel
(my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work
right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons).
While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and
interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up
and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a
PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two
Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a
little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute
ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With
the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides.
Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit.
Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to
load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of
pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was
a success as a YE flyer.
It was a blast.
-john-
http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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Subject: | Re: instrument panel layout software |
Google: free airplane instrument panel layout software
I found a bunch of applications out there....if that works for you.
For me it was quicker to just cut out some paper templates in the correct shapes
and move them around on the panel old fashioned way....
Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts soon...I
can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list wanting to attend...
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Aug 15, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my
instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still
wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software
download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would
appreciate a link.
Thanks
John
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Jim:
Does that mean that you are planning to make (shudder!!) COMPOSITE lift
struts? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity! (And follow that with the "Big
Guy" saying; "I swear to God I thought turkeys could fly.") If you do not
understand the reference to WKRP in Cincannati I fear for you.
Stinemetze
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>>> Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> 8/15/2011 2:25 PM >>>
Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts
soon...I can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list
wanting to attend... :-)
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Subject: | Re: Young Eagles |
Hi Barry,
For every kid there was a parent who wanted to go along as badly or more
so than the child. The reality is any kid who wants to fly needs the
backing of the parent and the money to finance it. A program for parents
is a great idea. In September at Brodhead, at the GrassRoots fly-in, we
are experimenting the the "Gray/Bald Eagles" idea and using it to give
members rides. I think this could be very popular with pilots and
adults.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
> John
> EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to
the Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a
name for it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement
in the near future. Good job on the YE flights.
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
>
> Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young
Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport
with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve
Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the
field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of
Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do
every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE
program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This
year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids.
>
> We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of
months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend.
We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The
weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up
and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a
go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom
system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump
(after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from
the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That
was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes
ready to go. =46rom memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33
Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44
and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the
field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to
take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather
challenges we were still able to give 94 rides.
>
> Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit.
Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier
to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE.
Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and
overall was a success as a YE flyer.
>
> It was a blast.
>
> -john-
>
> http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
>
>
>
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
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List,
With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest
Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust
test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop.
According to Dan Helsper's finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded
260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information?
Gary
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That's a hefty fish...
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> List,****
>
> ** **
>
> With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest
> Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust
> test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made pr
op.
> According to Dan Helsper=92s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yie
lded
> 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information?****
>
> ** **
>
> Gary ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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I agree with all of the above... especially the MILF part. LOL! Anyhow, our chapter
(10 - Tulsa) had similar results during Learn to Fly Day. Chapter 10 is
based at Gundy's Airport,which is also an open fence airport that welcomes neighborhood
kids and the public to come out, look around, ask questions, etc.
Our event brought in ~250 people and we gave ~150 rides. 126 waivers were signed,
but we know several people that took more than one ride, which we were ok
with as long as others weren't waiting for their first. We had a Piet (actually
Dan Cork's Grega) on display, which drew a lot of attention but was not used
for rides. The big hit... a 150hp Breezy. Everyone wanted to try that thing.
I must say, it is a hoot.
I guess I say all of this just to reinforce the idea that the adults want to play
too. We did our best to advertise on TV, radio, fliers, etc., and although
we had just about as many as we could handle, we heard from several afterward
that missed the event that were wondering when we would be doing it again.
One thing I would like to suggest as we (EAA) discuss how to approach these new
events is that national consider kicking in for fuel like they do for Young Eagles.
We had a good pilot turnout (thankfully), but as prices continue to be
high, some can't (or won't) afford to participate. Just something to consider
that might help make these events more successful.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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I was just joking.I haven't had any problem with my corvair/piet but I do plan
on putting in the 5th bearing this fall. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Daniel Tappan <dancfi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 2:04:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software :>(
-
Gard...I plan to install a corvair in a piet. Bad joke..Bad , Bad joke . Gonna
make WW scowl ! ;>)
> Old
>man..TldrgrDan
>
>For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a
>crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Gardiner
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
>To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
>
>
>Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
>instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning,
>layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible.
>Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy
>in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link.
>
>Thanks
>
>John
>
>
>Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed
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Well Gary,
At that thrust I can GUARANTEE that she will fly, because as you already kn
ow, that is what mine pulled on my test, with that very same fish scale. Co
ngratulations!! You have a flyable airplane, and it will climb like the roc
ket that NX929DH is!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
List,
With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pi
lot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust tes
t; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. A
ccording to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up
yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information?
Gary
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Thanks, Dan! You=99ve been an inspiration and a real source of
good info. Curt brought a video camera, and may post a few minutes, but
I think his battery went dead after 2 or 3 minutes. I had a glitch in my
=98tooth counter=99 and don=99t really know what rpm I
was turning, but the throttle control said, =9CFAST.=9D
Wing fit takes place this weekend, then fabric.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
Well Gary,
At that thrust I can GUARANTEE that she will fly, because as you already
know, that is what mine pulled on my test, with that very same fish
scale. Congratulations!! You have a flyable airplane, and it will climb
like the rocket that NX929DH is!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
List,
With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest
Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up /
thrust test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home
made prop. According to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale,
the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful
information?
Gary
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Subject: | Re: Young Eagles |
Barry, How about MOMS FLY TOO. I have always said that if you could get the moms
flying then the kids will soon follow. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 2:02:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
MILF = Mother I Would Like to Fly, Thats a good clean acronym, or possibly
MILFLY, or possibly, Don't let my wife know or I am gonna get smacked with a
frying pan..
Shad
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--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
>From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 1:45 PM
>
>
>John
>EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the Young
>Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name for it yet
>(maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the near future. Good
>job on the YE flights.
>Barry Davis
>NX973BP
>
________________________________
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles
>
>Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles
at
>the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and
>a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight
>school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The
>City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is
>just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time
>flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last
>year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids.
>
>
>We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months
I
>can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed
>to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a
>little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we
>had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we
>could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and
>taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a
>camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the
>airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few
>airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33
>Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one
>Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the
>Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids
>before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able
>to give 94 rides.
>
>
>Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve
>year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload.
>I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want
>rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE
>flyer.
>
>
>It was a blast.
>
>
>-john-
>
>
>http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast
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>
>John Hofmann
>Vice-President, Information Technology
>The Rees Group, Inc.
>2424 American Lane
>Madison, WI 53704
>Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>Fax: 608.443.2474
>Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing spar dimension question |
Dan I feel sure just a plain old butt joint with scabs on each side would so just
as good. The way I see it the joint will never see any stress other than compression
and tension loads. Bending stress will mean struts have failed. I did
have the guys slooowly pick it up by the tips and some good ears listening for
a protest from the joint. It bent/sagged about 4 inches but it went off without
a hitch. Now I have to get it off the plane so I can cover it.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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I bet if you put fabric on it, it will fly even better.
BC
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Great Bill...next thing you know, you'll be suggesting house paint....and a
car engine! I don't know about you sometimes....
Ryan
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> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
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> I bet if you put fabric on it, it will fly even better.
>
> BC
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Gary
Your numbers are pretty much in line with what got. What engine and prop ar
e you using? I put my results on http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engi
ne_test.html. I was able to get 280 lbs from my Corvair and homemade prop.
I asked William Wynn what I should be getting for static thrust on a Corvai
r Pietenpol and he told me 350 lbs. When I told him I was getting 280 he im
mediately asked if I had made my own prop, which of course I had. He pointe
d out that some things are better left to the factories, that a carbon fibe
r prop would out perform it and you can't see it once its turning, and that
my wood prop would look great in my den :-( Anyway, I now have an IVO medu
ium ground adjustable but I have not yet tried it. It will be interesting t
o see the difference. What numbers are other people getting?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:51:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
List,
With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pi
lot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust tes
t; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. A
ccording to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up
yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information?
Gary
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Thanks, Malcolm. Yes, mine is homemade, too. Target size was 66-34. I
can still do some re-pitching. I have been looking for that info in the
archives, but hadn=99t found it yet.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
Gary
Your numbers are pretty much in line with what got. What engine and
prop are you using? I put my results on
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html. I was able to
get 280 lbs from my Corvair and homemade prop. I asked William Wynn
what I should be getting for static thrust on a Corvair Pietenpol and he
told me 350 lbs. When I told him I was getting 280 he immediately asked
if I had made my own prop, which of course I had. He pointed out that
some things are better left to the factories, that a carbon fiber prop
would out perform it and you can't see it once its turning, and that my
wood prop would look great in my den :-( Anyway, I now have an IVO
meduium ground adjustable but I have not yet tried it. It will be
interesting to see the difference. What numbers are other people
getting?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html
_____
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:51:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test
List,
With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest
Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up /
thrust test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home
made prop. According to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale,
the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful
information?
Gary
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Subject: | Re: Young Eagles |
The world's largest control line model airplane contest is known as the "Brodak's
Fly In" in Carmichaels PA. There, for a fair number of years now, I essentially
conducted a program similar to Young Eagles. I would run around and find
kids and ask them if they wanted to fly. Usually, they were much to shy to
ask themselves.
Greatest time ever, really really really enjoyed doing that. Over time, I was
granted all sorts of lee way to do that, as technically there were all sorts of
contest rules that made this a big no no.
I also found over time, that if the kid was just too shy, if I got mom to fly,
the kid would follow. Teaching someone control line model flying is much more
a contact sport than getting someone in the cockpit of a Piet!
Tools
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Subject: | Re: instrument panel layout software |
I did that search before posting the question hoping to get serious
suggestions from people with experience in a particular software. Now I
remember why I stopped asking questions.
John
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-----Original message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 19:28:03 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
Google: free airplane instrument panel layout software
I found a bunch of applications out there....if that works for you.
For me it was quicker to just cut out some paper templates in the correct
shapes and move them around on the panel old fashioned way....
Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts
soon...I can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list wanting
to attend... :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Aug 15, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software
Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of
instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my
instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still
wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software
download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would
appreciate a link.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: Young Eagles |
Control line airplanes can lift a small child? Hmm, never knew that.
Yeah, I find flying (in monoplanes) to bit more of a contact sport than
spinning around in circles and getting sick. Good on ya for getting them
near any kind of aviation though.
Ryan
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The world's largest control line model airplane contest is known as the
> "Brodak's Fly In" in Carmichaels PA. There, for a fair number of years now,
> I essentially conducted a program similar to Young Eagles. I would run
> around and find kids and ask them if they wanted to fly. Usually, they were
> much to shy to ask themselves.
>
> Greatest time ever, really really really enjoyed doing that. Over time, I
> was granted all sorts of lee way to do that, as technically there were all
> sorts of contest rules that made this a big no no.
>
> I also found over time, that if the kid was just too shy, if I got mom to
> fly, the kid would follow. Teaching someone control line model flying is
> much more a contact sport than getting someone in the cockpit of a Piet!
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349589#349589
>
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Subject: | Tail wheel assembly weight |
John (kuhlcouper) wrote-
>I have this big old 10-pound tail wheel assembly. Probably too heavy right?
Now John, I offered you that Matco tailwheel assembly and I don't think it
weighs 10 lbs. ;o)
It sure will help you get in the air quicker if you don't change too many things
from the way the original builder had them, but sometimes the way that was may
not have been the best thing. Lighter on the tail is always better with these
airplanes, and the shim under the horizontal stabilizer is a warning flag that
the
airplane flew with the stick held forward until the builder added the shim in an
attempt to pull the tail up. It adds trim drag and doesn't improve stability.
You may want to wait till you get the airplane back on the gear or even longer,
and then do a trial W&B. Study the results that William Wynne and Ryan Mueller
came up with when they weighed a bunch of different Piets and variants, paying
special attention to the weight on the tail when the airplane is in the level
condition. Go from there on deciding what to adjust.
Sure miss you guys at San Geronimo every time I see a plane pass overhead. My
good old Scout is within spitting distance of your shop, but a couple of time zones
away from where I'm sitting typing this so go by and give 41CC a pat on the nose
for me...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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