---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/15/11: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 06:27 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (tdudley@umn.edu) 4. 06:45 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Bill Church) 5. 06:54 AM - Speed not related to Pietenpol (Pieti Lowell) 6. 06:55 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Bill Church) 7. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Dan Yocum) 8. 07:50 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Mild Bill) 9. 08:08 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (TOM STINEMETZE) 10. 08:49 AM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson) 11. 08:51 AM - Re: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer (John Kuhfahl) 12. 09:22 AM - instrument panel layout software (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 09:38 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (TOM STINEMETZE) 14. 10:00 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 10:14 AM - Young Eagles (John Hofmann) 17. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Gene Rambo) 18. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Wing spar dimension question (Dan Yocum) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: Young Eagles (Barry Davis) 20. 10:48 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Ryan Mueller) 21. 10:48 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software (airlion) 22. 11:03 AM - Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol (Bill Church) 23. 11:04 AM - Re: Young Eagles (shad bell) 24. 11:06 AM - Re: instrument panel layout software :>( (Daniel Tappan) 25. 11:25 AM - Re: Young Eagles (Jack Phillips) 26. 12:27 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (Jim Markle) 27. 12:38 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (TOM STINEMETZE) 28. 01:50 PM - Re: Young Eagles (John Hofmann) 29. 01:54 PM - Thrust test (Gboothe5) 30. 02:09 PM - Re: Thrust test (Ryan Mueller) 31. 02:27 PM - Re: Thrust test (gboothe5@comcast.net) 32. 02:54 PM - Re: Young Eagles (K5YAC) 33. 03:53 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software :>( (airlion) 34. 04:30 PM - Re: Thrust test (helspersew@aol.com) 35. 04:45 PM - Re: Thrust test (Gboothe5) 36. 05:23 PM - Re: Young Eagles (airlion) 37. 06:02 PM - Re: Wing spar dimension question (Jerry Dotson) 38. 06:23 PM - Re: Thrust test (Bill Church) 39. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Thrust test (Ryan Mueller) 40. 06:59 PM - Re: Thrust test (gliderx5@comcast.net) 41. 07:12 PM - Re: Thrust test (Gboothe5) 42. 07:48 PM - Re: Young Eagles (tools) 43. 08:21 PM - Re: instrument panel layout software (amsafetyc@aol.com) 44. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Young Eagles (Ryan Mueller) 45. 09:57 PM - Tail wheel assembly weight (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "Jerry Dotson" Tom, I built the 1 piece wing and scarfed the joint with 1/4"plywood scabs on each side. The joint is pretty strong. We picked the wing up by the tips and it held without complaint. Bernard's way worked though. Think about the geometry of it. The 3 piece wing is a hinged affair and depends totally on struts and cables for structural integrity. That said IF I were to build another Piet I would build the 3 piece wing simply because the 1 piece is hard to handle. I am covering now and the wing is next......stay tuned. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349475#349475 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a64_822.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a63_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a62_863.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:11 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer That's not a spacer, it's the horizontal stab. My grandson made me one just like it. Stinemetze do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ o/ \o >>> John Kuhfahl 8/14/2011 11:41 AM >>> I am moving along on the Piet restoration. Cleaning, replacing , and painting. This airplane has a horiz. stab.spacer--guess they needed it. Is this normal? See attached. Thanks in advance... -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "tdudley@umn.edu" I just wanted to clarify that I mistakenly said the rear 1" spar isn't routed. It is but I was looking at the wrong diagram when I posted initially. Sorry. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349481#349481 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "Bill Church" Tom, The 3-piece wing plan was drawn in 1975, by Vi Kapler. I believe that by that time, the use of 3/4" solid spars in lieu of routed 1" spars was fairly common. That is likely the reason why it shows 3/4" spars. There is, however one detail on the drawing that shows the routed areas, with a note that says "routed spar only". My interpretation of this is that the plans in general, are drawn for the use of 3/4" solid spars, but could easily be adapted to accommodate the use of routed 1" spars. In that case, the thickness of the centersection spars would be made to match the outboard spars (with adjustments as suggested by Jack). On another note, you write that the plans indicate that the front spar should be routed, and the rear spar should be solid. I assume that you got that impression from the detail that shows two cross-sections thru the spar (see attached clip from plans). Those two details are to show the difference between the routed and non-routed areas of each spar. Both front and rear spars should be routed the same. If you want to build a one-piece wing, the center splice should be scarfed in the 1" dimension, as opposed to the 4 3/4" dimension that the plans show. Scarfing dimensions and techniques should follow AC 43.13-1B. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349483#349483 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spars_193.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Speed not related to Pietenpol From: "Pieti Lowell" Try this speed record: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/09/aircraft-set-to-shatter-speed-sound/?test=latestnews Pieti Lowell Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349484#349484 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "Bill Church" Tom, Looks like you posted (regarding the routed vs non-routed spars) while I was writing my post. Please disregard that part of my message. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349485#349485 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:53 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question Jerry, You scarfed the spar joint per AC 43.13-1B and then added the 1/4" ply to each side, right? Dan On 08/15/2011 06:26 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > Tom, > I built the 1 piece wing and scarfed the joint with 1/4"plywood scabs on each side. The joint is pretty strong. We picked the wing up by the tips and it held without complaint. Bernard's way worked though. Think about the geometry of it. The 3 piece wing is a hinged affair and depends totally on struts and cables for structural integrity. That said IF I were to build another Piet I would build the 3 piece wing simply because the 1 piece is hard to handle. I am covering now and the wing is next......stay tuned. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol From: "Mild Bill" That article reminded me of the Snger/Bredt proposal. http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Sanger/sanger.htm http://greyfalcon.us/Sanger.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38oSFwlYhE&feature=related -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349491#349491 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:11 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol Ach! Dos Germans. Vat vill da tink of next? Stinemetze do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ o/ \o >>> "Mild Bill" 8/15/2011 9:48 AM >>> That article reminded me of the Snger/Bredt proposal. http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/Sanger/sanger.htm http://greyfalcon.us/Sanger.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38oSFwlYhE&feature=related ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "Jerry Dotson" Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349502#349502 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer From: John Kuhfahl I think you have it right--as I said I have a heavy tailwheel there. Just trying to get all the pieces clean an serviceable before I put it back together. That piece needs to stay out--I'll work the W&B later. John On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Jack Phillips wro te: > ** ** ** > > John,**** > > ** ** > > I=92ve never seen a spacer like that on a Pietenpol. Have you run an > accurate weight and balance on the airplane? My guess is the plane was > quite tailheavy and they needed more lift out of the tail. If it is that > tailheavy, you should conisder moving the wing aft to get it somewhere cl ose > to the normal CG. Pietenpols tend to be tailheavy, and while the airfoil > can accommodate cg=92s slightly aft of 33% MAC (20=94 from leading edge) I > wouldn=92t push that.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Kuhfahl > *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:41 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Horizontal Stabilizer spacer > **** > > ** ** > > I am moving along on the Piet restoration. Cleaning, replacing , and > painting. This airplane has a horiz. stab.spacer--guess they needed it. Is > this normal? See attached. Thanks in advance... > > -- > John Kuhfahl, ****Lt** **Col**** USAF (Ret), > President, KUHLCOUPER LLC**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:46 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:36 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software John: Google SketchUp would do the job for you and is pretty easy to learn. Stinemetze do not archive >>> 8/15/2011 11:18 AM >>> Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software From: helspersew@aol.com John, Do ya really think Bernerd used a software program for something as simple as panel layout???? Here's and idea..........How'bout a pencil, compass, a nd a large sheet of paper? Purists unite! Dan Helsper "Pur"year TN do not archine -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of ins trument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty h andy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: helspersew@aol.com For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy, AC43.13-1A. Then AC43.13 -1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center section join t is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress on the spar ther e. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:49 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question et> Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could ot and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long. -------- erry Dotson 9 Daniel Johnson Rd aker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 ing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling sing Lycoming O-235 ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349502#349502 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:16 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids. We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. =46rom memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides. Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE flyer. It was a blast. -john- http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:51 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question 15:1 would not keep the scarf out from under the fittings=2C which is forbi dden. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: helspersew@aol.com For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy=2C AC43.13-1A. Then AC43. 13-1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center section jo int is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress on the spar th ere. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Mon=2C Aug 15=2C 2011 10:49 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question et> Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker=2C FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009 wing=2C tailfeathers done=2C fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349502#349502 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:37 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question I'm sure it's fine - I just misunderstood Jerry to say that he only created the joint by overlaying the joint with 1/4" ply. My brain skipped the word "scarf" in his sentence. My bad. Dan On 08/15/2011 12:05 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > For many years 12:1 scarf was just fine and dandy, AC43.13-1A. Then > AC43.13-1B changed it to 15:1. I made mine 12:1 which for that center > section joint is way overkill anyway. There will be very little stress > on the spar there. 12:1 was hard enough to do. Can't imagine tryin 15:1. > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Dotson > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:49 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"> > > Yes as near as I could. The scar is an inch or so short of AC 43.13-1B. I could > not and keep the rib spacing. The scarf is nearly 24" long. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349502#349502 > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:04 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles John EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name for it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the near future. Good job on the YE flights. Barry Davis NX973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids. We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides. Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE flyer. It was a blast. -john- http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speed not related to Pietenpol From: Ryan Mueller They tried.....but they lost it....again. The first test flight failed a little while back....they lost this one as it was about to enter the glide phase..... do not archive On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> > > Try this speed record: > > http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/09/aircraft-set-to-shatter-speed-sound/?test=latestnews > > Pieti Lowell > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349484#349484 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:24 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Gardiner ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 12:58:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software John, Do ya really think Bernerd used a software program for something as simple as panel layout???? Here's and idea..........How'bout a pencil, compass, and a large sheet of paper? Purists unite! Dan Helsper "Pur"year TN do not archine -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speed not related to Pietenpol From: "Bill Church" "Goes up, like cannonball. And comes down... Like ... cannonball" do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349520#349520 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:55 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles MILF = Mother I Would Like to Fly, Thats a good clean acronym, or possibl y MILFLY, or possibly, Don't let my wife know or I am gonna get smacked wit h a frying pan.. Shad - do not archive --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Barry Davis wrote: From: Barry Davis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles John EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name fo r it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the nea r future. Good job on the YE flights. Barry Davis NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagl es at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the C ub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are ta ildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really goo d to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a bla st. We flew 184 kids last year.-This year, I decided to give the Piet a c hance to hop kids. We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of mont hs I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started t o break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my da ughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work righ t. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). Whi le I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and intervi ewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and w e had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a R obinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little close r to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the we ather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides. Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twel ve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load /unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pre tty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE flyer. It was a blast. -john- http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:40 AM PST US From: Daniel Tappan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software :>( - Gard...I plan to install a corvair in a piet. Bad joke..Bad , Bad joke . Go nna make WW - scowl- ! ;>) ------------------------- ------------------------- ----------------------- Old m an..TldrgrDan For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Ga rdiner -=0A=0A=0Ado not archine =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: AMsafetyC =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADoes anyone know of a free software source for the layout an d design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instru ment-planning, layout and- wiring plan while everything is still wide o pen and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software downloa d that was pretty handy in doing that-if anyone knows of it, I would appr eciate a link.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AJohn=0A=0A=0A -=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0ADo not archive, until the best possible answer is l isted=0A=0A=0A-=0A " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:59 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Very cool, John. I like your idea of MILF Eagles. Glad to see 502 Rocket getting some flight time. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids. We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides. Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE flyer. It was a blast. -john- http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:35 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Google: free airplane instrument panel layout software I found a bunch of applications out there....if that works for you. For me it was quicker to just cut out some paper templates in the correct shapes and move them around on the panel old fashioned way.... Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts soon...I can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list wanting to attend... :-) -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Aug 15, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:52 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Jim: Does that mean that you are planning to make (shudder!!) COMPOSITE lift struts? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity! (And follow that with the "Big Guy" saying; "I swear to God I thought turkeys could fly.") If you do not understand the reference to WKRP in Cincannati I fear for you. Stinemetze do not archive >>> Jim Markle 8/15/2011 2:25 PM >>> Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts soon...I can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list wanting to attend... :-) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:22 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Hi Barry, For every kid there was a parent who wanted to go along as badly or more so than the child. The reality is any kid who wants to fly needs the backing of the parent and the money to finance it. A program for parents is a great idea. In September at Brodhead, at the GrassRoots fly-in, we are experimenting the the "Gray/Bald Eagles" idea and using it to give members rides. I think this could be very popular with pilots and adults. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Barry Davis wrote: > John > EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the Young Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name for it yet (maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the near future. Good job on the YE flights. > Barry Davis > NX973BP > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles > > Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles at the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids. > > We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months I can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few airplanes ready to go. =46rom memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able to give 94 rides. > > Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload. I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE flyer. > > It was a blast. > > -john- > > http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:12 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test List, With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. According to Dan Helsper's finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information? Gary ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test From: Ryan Mueller That's a hefty fish... do not archive On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Gboothe5 wrote: > List,**** > > ** ** > > With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest > Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust > test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made pr op. > According to Dan Helsper=92s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yie lded > 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information?**** > > ** ** > > Gary **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test From: gboothe5@comcast.net T3V0IFdlc3QsIGFueSBsZXNzIHRoYW4gdGhhdCBhbmQgd2UgdGhyb3cgJ2VtIGJhY2suLi4NClNl bnQgb24gdGhlIFNwcmludK4gTm93IE5ldHdvcmsgZnJvbSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5rg0KDQotLS0t LU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogUnlhbiBNdWVsbGVyIDxybXVlbGxlcjIzQGdt YWlsLmNvbT4NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20NCkRhdGU6IE1vbiwgMTUgQXVnIDIwMTEgMTY6MDY6NDQgDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0 QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbVN1 YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogVGhydXN0IHRlc3QNCg0KVGhhdCdzIGEgaGVmdHkg ZmlzaC4uLg0KDQpkbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KDQpPbiBNb24sIEF1ZyAxNSwgMjAxMSBhdCAzOjUx IFBNLCBHYm9vdGhlNSA8Z2Jvb3RoZTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+ICBMaXN0LCoq KioNCj4NCj4gKiogKioNCj4NCj4gV2l0aCB0aGUgYWJsZSBhc3Npc3RhbmNlIG9mIFNvdXRod2Vz dCBDYXB0YWluLCBEYW4gTG9ja2VyLCBhbmQgU291dGh3ZXN0DQo+IFBpbG90ICYgUGlldCBCdWls ZGVyLCBDdXJ0IE1lcmRhbiwgSSBjb25kdWN0ZWQgdGhlIHN0YXRpYyBydW4tdXAgLyB0aHJ1c3QN Cj4gdGVzdDsgdGhlIGlkZWEsIG9mIHdoaWNoLCB3YXMgdG8gY2hlY2sgdGhlIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNl IG9uIG15IGhvbWUgbWFkZSBwcm9wLg0KPiBBY2NvcmRpbmcgdG8gRGFuIEhlbHNwZXKScyBmaW5l bHkgdHVuZWQgZmlzaCBzY2FsZSwgdGhlIGZ1bGwgcnVuLXVwIHlpZWxkZWQNCj4gMjYwIGxicy4g QW55IHRob3VnaHRzPyBJcyB0aGF0IG1lYW5pbmdmdWwgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24/KioqKg0KPg0KPiAq KiAqKg0KPg0KPiBHYXJ5ICAqKioqDQo+DQo+ICoqICoqDQo+DQo+ICoqICoqDQo+DQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Young Eagles From: "K5YAC" I agree with all of the above... especially the MILF part. LOL! Anyhow, our chapter (10 - Tulsa) had similar results during Learn to Fly Day. Chapter 10 is based at Gundy's Airport,which is also an open fence airport that welcomes neighborhood kids and the public to come out, look around, ask questions, etc. Our event brought in ~250 people and we gave ~150 rides. 126 waivers were signed, but we know several people that took more than one ride, which we were ok with as long as others weren't waiting for their first. We had a Piet (actually Dan Cork's Grega) on display, which drew a lot of attention but was not used for rides. The big hit... a 150hp Breezy. Everyone wanted to try that thing. I must say, it is a hoot. I guess I say all of this just to reinforce the idea that the adults want to play too. We did our best to advertise on TV, radio, fliers, etc., and although we had just about as many as we could handle, we heard from several afterward that missed the event that were wondering when we would be doing it again. One thing I would like to suggest as we (EAA) discuss how to approach these new events is that national consider kicking in for fuel like they do for Young Eagles. We had a good pilot turnout (thankfully), but as prices continue to be high, some can't (or won't) afford to participate. Just something to consider that might help make these events more successful. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349544#349544 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:01 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software :>( I was just joking.I haven't had any problem with my corvair/piet but I do plan on putting in the 5th bearing this fall. Gardiner ________________________________ From: Daniel Tappan Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 2:04:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software :>( - Gard...I plan to install a corvair in a piet. Bad joke..Bad , Bad joke . Gonna make WW scowl ! ;>) > Old >man..TldrgrDan > >For us corvairliers we need all the instruments we can install. How about a >crank snapping gauge on each side. Maybe something with teeth depicted. Gardiner > > > >do not archine > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AMsafetyC >To: pietenpol-list >Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am >Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software > > >Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of >instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, >layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. >Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy >in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. > >Thanks > >John > > >Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed > > > >" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >p://forums.matronics.com >blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test From: helspersew@aol.com Well Gary, At that thrust I can GUARANTEE that she will fly, because as you already kn ow, that is what mine pulled on my test, with that very same fish scale. Co ngratulations!! You have a flyable airplane, and it will climb like the roc ket that NX929DH is!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:54 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test List, With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pi lot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust tes t; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. A ccording to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information? Gary ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:16 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test Thanks, Dan! You=99ve been an inspiration and a real source of good info. Curt brought a video camera, and may post a few minutes, but I think his battery went dead after 2 or 3 minutes. I had a glitch in my =98tooth counter=99 and don=99t really know what rpm I was turning, but the throttle control said, =9CFAST.=9D Wing fit takes place this weekend, then fabric. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test Well Gary, At that thrust I can GUARANTEE that she will fly, because as you already know, that is what mine pulled on my test, with that very same fish scale. Congratulations!! You have a flyable airplane, and it will climb like the rocket that NX929DH is!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:54 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test List, With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. According to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information? Gary http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:17 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles Barry, How about MOMS FLY TOO. I have always said that if you could get the moms flying then the kids will soon follow. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: shad bell Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 2:02:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles MILF = Mother I Would Like to Fly, Thats a good clean acronym, or possibly MILFLY, or possibly, Don't let my wife know or I am gonna get smacked with a frying pan.. Shad do not archive --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Barry Davis wrote: >From: Barry Davis >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 1:45 PM > > >John >EAA is working on a new program to fly the "moms". This is very sim to the Young >Eagles Program and is directed toward adults. We don't have a name for it yet >(maybe we can use yours), but watch for an announcement in the near future. Good >job on the YE flights. >Barry Davis >NX973BP > ________________________________ >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:10 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Young Eagles > >Yesterday 502Rocket and I were able to participate in flying EAA Young Eagles at >the Hartford Balloon Rally. HXF is a great community airport with no fences and >a welcoming attitude to the general public. Steve Krog has the Cub Air flight >school there and of the 110 airplanes on the field, 85 are taildraggers. The >City of Hartford and the Chamber of Commerce are really good to us so this is >just a little thing we do every year to give back. Last year was my first time >flying in the YE program with my Cub and I had a blast. We flew 184 kids last >year. This year, I decided to give the Piet a chance to hop kids. > > >We have had a dry summer in Wisconsin this year. In the last couple of months I >can remember two weekends of rain; Brodhead and this weekend. We were supposed >to run from 12 - 4 and it did not look good. The weather started to break a >little after noon and couple of us went up and probed the skies. About 1:00 we >had a 1,000 ft ceiling and all was a go. I took Rachel (my daughter) up so we >could work out the intercom system. It never did work right. We landed and >taxied to the gas pump (after avoiding the CAP goons). While I was fueling a >camera crew from the local cable outlet came and interviewed me about the >airplane. That was kind of fun. Kids were lining up and we had quite a few >airplanes ready to go. From memory I saw 4 J3s, a PA-12, Cherokee 140, F33 >Bonanza, Cherokee Archer, Taylorcraft, two Luscombes, a Robinson R-44 and one >Pietenpol. Given the weather we kept it a little closer to the field and in the >Piet, that meant about a 20 minute ride. I was able to take up three kids >before thunderstorms came back. With the weather challenges we were still able >to give 94 rides. > > >Observations: The three kids I took up all requested the open cockpit. Twelve >year old kids should not be as fat as me. The Cub is much easier to load/unload. >I am still working on MILF Eagles to coincide with YE. Lots of pretty moms want >rides. The Piet makes a great ramp presence and overall was a success as a YE >flyer. > > >It was a blast. > > >-john- > > >http://www.cafepress.com/half_fast > > >John Hofmann >Vice-President, Information Technology >The Rees Group, Inc. >2424 American Lane >Madison, WI 53704 >Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 >Fax: 608.443.2474 >Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow >target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing spar dimension question From: "Jerry Dotson" Dan I feel sure just a plain old butt joint with scabs on each side would so just as good. The way I see it the joint will never see any stress other than compression and tension loads. Bending stress will mean struts have failed. I did have the guys slooowly pick it up by the tips and some good ears listening for a protest from the joint. It bent/sagged about 4 inches but it went off without a hitch. Now I have to get it off the plane so I can cover it. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349570#349570 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thrust test From: "Bill Church" I bet if you put fabric on it, it will fly even better. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349572#349572 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Thrust test From: Ryan Mueller Great Bill...next thing you know, you'll be suggesting house paint....and a car engine! I don't know about you sometimes.... Ryan do not archive On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > I bet if you put fabric on it, it will fly even better. > > BC > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349572#349572 > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:06 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test Gary Your numbers are pretty much in line with what got. What engine and prop ar e you using? I put my results on http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engi ne_test.html. I was able to get 280 lbs from my Corvair and homemade prop. I asked William Wynn what I should be getting for static thrust on a Corvai r Pietenpol and he told me 350 lbs. When I told him I was getting 280 he im mediately asked if I had made my own prop, which of course I had. He pointe d out that some things are better left to the factories, that a carbon fibe r prop would out perform it and you can't see it once its turning, and that my wood prop would look great in my den :-( Anyway, I now have an IVO medu ium ground adjustable but I have not yet tried it. It will be interesting t o see the difference. What numbers are other people getting? Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gboothe5" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:51:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test List, With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pi lot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust tes t; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. A ccording to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information? Gary ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:01 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test Thanks, Malcolm. Yes, mine is homemade, too. Target size was 66-34. I can still do some re-pitching. I have been looking for that info in the archives, but hadn=99t found it yet. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gliderx5@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test Gary Your numbers are pretty much in line with what got. What engine and prop are you using? I put my results on http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html. I was able to get 280 lbs from my Corvair and homemade prop. I asked William Wynn what I should be getting for static thrust on a Corvair Pietenpol and he told me 350 lbs. When I told him I was getting 280 he immediately asked if I had made my own prop, which of course I had. He pointed out that some things are better left to the factories, that a carbon fiber prop would out perform it and you can't see it once its turning, and that my wood prop would look great in my den :-( Anyway, I now have an IVO meduium ground adjustable but I have not yet tried it. It will be interesting to see the difference. What numbers are other people getting? Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html _____ From: "Gboothe5" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:51:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust test List, With the able assistance of Southwest Captain, Dan Locker, and Southwest Pilot & Piet Builder, Curt Merdan, I conducted the static run-up / thrust test; the idea, of which, was to check the performance on my home made prop. According to Dan Helsper=99s finely tuned fish scale, the full run-up yielded 260 lbs. Any thoughts? Is that meaningful information? Gary ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Young Eagles From: "tools" The world's largest control line model airplane contest is known as the "Brodak's Fly In" in Carmichaels PA. There, for a fair number of years now, I essentially conducted a program similar to Young Eagles. I would run around and find kids and ask them if they wanted to fly. Usually, they were much to shy to ask themselves. Greatest time ever, really really really enjoyed doing that. Over time, I was granted all sorts of lee way to do that, as technically there were all sorts of contest rules that made this a big no no. I also found over time, that if the kid was just too shy, if I got mom to fly, the kid would follow. Teaching someone control line model flying is much more a contact sport than getting someone in the cockpit of a Piet! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349589#349589 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:49 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software I did that search before posting the question hoping to get serious suggestions from people with experience in a particular software. Now I remember why I stopped asking questions. John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Markle Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 19:28:03 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Google: free airplane instrument panel layout software I found a bunch of applications out there....if that works for you. For me it was quicker to just cut out some paper templates in the correct shapes and move them around on the panel old fashioned way.... Jim in Pryor....where Mark C and I will be vacuum bagging lift struts soon...I can provide a list of nearby motels for anyone on the list wanting to attend... :-) -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Aug 15, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: instrument panel layout software Does anyone know of a free software source for the layout and design of instrument panels? I thought I would start working on my instrument planning, layout and wiring plan while everything is still wide open and accessible. Naturally I had heard there was a free software download that was pretty handy in doing that if anyone knows of it, I would appreciate a link. Thanks John Do not archive, until the best possible answer is listed ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Young Eagles From: Ryan Mueller Control line airplanes can lift a small child? Hmm, never knew that. Yeah, I find flying (in monoplanes) to bit more of a contact sport than spinning around in circles and getting sick. Good on ya for getting them near any kind of aviation though. Ryan do not archive On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, tools wrote: > > The world's largest control line model airplane contest is known as the > "Brodak's Fly In" in Carmichaels PA. There, for a fair number of years now, > I essentially conducted a program similar to Young Eagles. I would run > around and find kids and ask them if they wanted to fly. Usually, they were > much to shy to ask themselves. > > Greatest time ever, really really really enjoyed doing that. Over time, I > was granted all sorts of lee way to do that, as technically there were all > sorts of contest rules that made this a big no no. > > I also found over time, that if the kid was just too shy, if I got mom to > fly, the kid would follow. Teaching someone control line model flying is > much more a contact sport than getting someone in the cockpit of a Piet! > > Tools > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349589#349589 > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:18 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel assembly weight John (kuhlcouper) wrote- >I have this big old 10-pound tail wheel assembly. Probably too heavy right? Now John, I offered you that Matco tailwheel assembly and I don't think it weighs 10 lbs. ;o) It sure will help you get in the air quicker if you don't change too many things from the way the original builder had them, but sometimes the way that was may not have been the best thing. Lighter on the tail is always better with these airplanes, and the shim under the horizontal stabilizer is a warning flag that the airplane flew with the stick held forward until the builder added the shim in an attempt to pull the tail up. It adds trim drag and doesn't improve stability. You may want to wait till you get the airplane back on the gear or even longer, and then do a trial W&B. Study the results that William Wynne and Ryan Mueller came up with when they weighed a bunch of different Piets and variants, paying special attention to the weight on the tail when the airplane is in the level condition. Go from there on deciding what to adjust. Sure miss you guys at San Geronimo every time I see a plane pass overhead. My good old Scout is within spitting distance of your shop, but a couple of time zones away from where I'm sitting typing this so go by and give 41CC a pat on the nose for me... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.